Flat Earth & Panspermia

Abiogensis makes no sense to me, same with Darwinian evolution, but not necessarily evolution itself.
Creationism makes about as much or less sense, they both seem like easy answers with no evidence, either it was a supernatural miracle, or a natural one, either way, we're left with a choice between two miracles, two impossible or unprecedented events.
Panspermia makes more sense to me, life has no origin, either it always existed on plane earth in some form or another, and plane earth always existed in some form or another, or it came from other parts of the plane.
Rather than evolution being unintelligent and tending to be linearly progressing from simplicity to complexity, I conceive of evolution being more intelligent, and tending to be cyclically progressing/regressing.
Perhaps panspermia works better with flat earth than it does with round, especially if it's an infinite, immortal plane.
That's because life could more easily make the journey from one part of the plane to another than from planet to planet.
If it's an infinite, immortal plane, than life has more of a chance of being infinite and immortal, and if it goes extinct here, or virtually extinct, due to some natural or man made or humanoid made catastrophe, it could always be replenished from somewhere else.
So panspermia makes more sense to me, and panspermia is more compatible with flat earth.

Well, we probably can't ever know exactly how we got here, (just guess) so I guess you can believr whatever you want about that, but we do know that the earth is a globe, so the fact that it is compatible with flat Earth doesn't mean anything.

Well, we probably can't ever know exactly how we got here, (just guess) so I guess you can believr whatever you want about that, but we do know that the earth is a globe, so the fact that it is compatible with flat Earth doesn't mean anything.

I agree that we probably can't know how life started on Earth, but I think that's only telling half the story. We can certainly continue researching mechanisms for abiogenesis and discover ways in which it is possible to make the transition from biology to chemistry. And we can continue researching how rocky planets form to better understand the environmental conditions likely to be present on Earth at different times in the past. Then we can play mix & match to see if there are mechanisms for abiogenesis that seem likely to have occurred at specific times in the past based on what we learn about planet formation and the environmental conditions so very long ago. So, while I agree that "know" is a strong word, discovering a few possible scenarios that are more likely than other competing hypotheses doesn't seem impossible.

Scientists give "consciousness" to evolution all the time, some times on purpose other times as an accidental bi product. It surely is not the mindless anarchy it is supposed to be according to the theory.

I can agree both would be miracles, yet a miracle has no place in science. You have to be able to see and test it....which is why science has its useful place, yet is all the time exercised far past its abilities. Then peddled as fact, prevents much progress.


Despite this, there is one thing you missed. Our reality we live in is strictly cause and effect. Even if you apply something such as string theory, "our" reality we can see and touch, so by all means exist in (leaving out consciousness, souls, premonition, a higher power etc etc) then it is strictly cause and effect. So panspermia is a moot point to our known and provable existence, as there is a beginning and an end. Simple as that. So panspermia just moves our issues here of orgins elsewhere, still the problem though.

You could say that possibly the alien life exist in other planes of dimensions, or crosses over, away from the effects of time (which a creator or god would have to be above as well) but then there is just as much speculation there as that of a higher power. Then you are back on the faith band wagon.


Simple fact, in military terms, the knowledge of our orgins and true existence is strictly "out of our pay grade"...so either we are a cosmic lottery and a spec of insignificant dust, or we are the product of a creator.

Either choice of belief will require just as much "faith" to believe. Unless you are lucky to experience an encounter with "God" or a "higher power". Even in that situation faith is required, as the majority will tell you that you are crazy and it only happened in your imagination.


As everything in life, the choice is yours. Where does your allegiance alley?? The answer will never be black or white nor a easy path

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.   

Yes, the T-Rex fashioning himself a hand-made dugout canoe seems to be an idea with some merit

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started. We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started. We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Very true,  we don't know if  T-Rex was a tourist or an illegal immigrant,   T-rex  sounds like he could be a Mexican rapper, so I doubt he would be able to make his own canoe.

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started.

No they must certainly don't! How life started is an open question that any scientist worth his salt will admit doesn't have an answer right now.

We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Fair enough.

Well, we probably can't ever know exactly how we got here, (just guess) so I guess you can believr whatever you want about that, but we do know that the earth is a globe, so the fact that it is compatible with flat Earth doesn't mean anything.

We can't know anything for certain, at best, all we have in life are probabilities.
What's more likely, earthlings coming from non-life, something spectacularly unlikely if not impossible, or earthlings coming from other planets, they themselves coming from other planets and so on?
The former is one out of a trillion trillions if not impossible, admittedly by Scientists, yet many if not most of them believe it (because it's like a religion with these people, they have to believe higher orders of being, such as life, evolved from lower orders of being, such as non-life, which itself came from even lower orders of being (chaos, non-being), the latter is, I'm not sure exactly, a 50/50?

While Nasa claims to have not found any life in outer space, nothing they say can be verified, so who cares?
They are a government agency.
Scientists have found extremophiles capable of withstanding some of the harshest conditions on earth, high levels of hot, cold and radiation, not unlike the conditions found in outer space, but then perhaps we can't even be sure about that either (shrugs).
So life probably has no origin.
Matter, energy, space and time probably have no origin either for the same reasons.

Now while even if panspermia is correct, or most probable, that doesn't prove flat earth, and I'm not a flat earther, but it does make flat earth more attractive on some level, because it's more compatible with panspermia, and if flat earth is just as likely to be true as round earth, give or take, but life would have an even easier time spreading itself throughout the cosmos on an infinite, immortal plane, then perhaps that makes flat earth more probable than round earth, in a sense.

Scientists give "consciousness" to evolution all the time, some times on purpose other times as an accidental bi product. It surely is not the mindless anarchy it is supposed to be according to the theory.

I can agree both would be miracles, yet a miracle has no place in science. You have to be able to see and test it....which is why science has its useful place, yet is all the time exercised far past its abilities. Then peddled as fact, prevents much progress.


Despite this, there is one thing you missed. Our reality we live in is strictly cause and effect. Even if you apply something such as string theory, "our" reality we can see and touch, so by all means exist in (leaving out consciousness, souls, premonition, a higher power etc etc) then it is strictly cause and effect. So panspermia is a moot point to our known and provable existence, as there is a beginning and an end. Simple as that. So panspermia just moves our issues here of orgins elsewhere, still the problem though.

You could say that possibly the alien life exist in other planes of dimensions, or crosses over, away from the effects of time (which a creator or god would have to be above as well) but then there is just as much speculation there as that of a higher power. Then you are back on the faith band wagon.


Simple fact, in military terms, the knowledge of our orgins and true existence is strictly "out of our pay grade"...so either we are a cosmic lottery and a spec of insignificant dust, or we are the product of a creator.

Either choice of belief will require just as much "faith" to believe. Unless you are lucky to experience an encounter with "God" or a "higher power". Even in that situation faith is required, as the majority will tell you that you are crazy and it only happened in your imagination.


As everything in life, the choice is yours. Where does your allegiance alley?? The answer will never be black or white nor a easy path

Existence may not be cause/effect, although it tends to be, or seems that way, but everything we don't know, may be unknowable, because it's random, meaningless. Causality is a metaphysical assumption, something debated by philosophers, but taken for granted by most Scientists.

You can have an infinite chain of cause/effect, life coming from non-life just delays the ultimate origin of things too, because where did non-life come from?
More non-life, and where did more non-life come from?
A big bang, and what caused that, something...nothing?
If you say nothing, than you're not talking about causality, you're talking about a miracle, or spontaneity.

Earthlings may have come from extraterrestrial life, which itself came from other extraterrestrial and so on and so forth ad infinitum, forever and ever, life never came from anything other than other life, just as on earth, we've only seen life being derived from other life, not from something else.
If you really want to believe in causality, you have to believe in an infinite chain of causality, otherwise, you're admitting spontaneity.

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started. We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Couldn't agree more.
They can't admit that though, that would be a blow to their egos.

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

I'd like to express my support for the Dinosaur boat theory. It has the advantage of being more consistent with Doctor Who.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on October 23, 2016, 09:35:31 AM

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

I'd like to express my support for the Dinosaur boat theory. It has the advantage of being more consistent with Doctor Who.

Maybe the dinos didn't build the boats, maybe they were the boats!

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2016, 06:17:59 AM

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started. We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Very true,  we don't know if  T-Rex was a tourist or an illegal immigrant,   T-rex  sounds like he could be a Mexican rapper, so I doubt he would be able to make his own canoe.

Reported for racism.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on October 23, 2016, 04:16:05 AM

Scientists give "consciousness" to evolution all the time, some times on purpose other times as an accidental bi product. It surely is not the mindless anarchy it is supposed to be according to the theory.

I can agree both would be miracles, yet a miracle has no place in science. You have to be able to see and test it....which is why science has its useful place, yet is all the time exercised far past its abilities. Then peddled as fact, prevents much progress.


Despite this, there is one thing you missed. Our reality we live in is strictly cause and effect. Even if you apply something such as string theory, "our" reality we can see and touch, so by all means exist in (leaving out consciousness, souls, premonition, a higher power etc etc) then it is strictly cause and effect. So panspermia is a moot point to our known and provable existence, as there is a beginning and an end. Simple as that. So panspermia just moves our issues here of orgins elsewhere, still the problem though.

You could say that possibly the alien life exist in other planes of dimensions, or crosses over, away from the effects of time (which a creator or god would have to be above as well) but then there is just as much speculation there as that of a higher power. Then you are back on the faith band wagon.


Simple fact, in military terms, the knowledge of our orgins and true existence is strictly "out of our pay grade"...so either we are a cosmic lottery and a spec of insignificant dust, or we are the product of a creator.

Either choice of belief will require just as much "faith" to believe. Unless you are lucky to experience an encounter with "God" or a "higher power". Even in that situation faith is required, as the majority will tell you that you are crazy and it only happened in your imagination.


As everything in life, the choice is yours. Where does your allegiance alley?? The answer will never be black or white nor a easy path

Existence may not be cause/effect, although it tends to be, or seems that way, but everything we don't know, may be unknowable, because it's random, meaningless. Causality is a metaphysical assumption, something debated by philosophers, but taken for granted by most Scientists.

You can have an infinite chain of cause/effect, life coming from non-life just delays the ultimate origin of things too, because where did non-life come from?
More non-life, and where did more non-life come from?
A big bang, and what caused that, something...nothing?
If you say nothing, than you're not talking about causality, you're talking about a miracle, or spontaneity.

Earthlings may have come from extraterrestrial life, which itself came from other extraterrestrial and so on and so forth ad infinitum, forever and ever, life never came from anything other than other life, just as on earth, we've only seen life being derived from other life, not from something else.
If you really want to believe in causality, you have to believe in an infinite chain of causality, otherwise, you're admitting spontaneity.

However, if you believe in a being that exist in another dimension, outside the constraints and effects of time. Say, just for example in string theory, in the 10th dimension. That being could create whatever it wanted in the 3rd dimension...yet still remain entirely in control.

It could see every decision and action a creature like us would do. From beginning to end, past present and future....while to us we would believe it was all our choice. Yet there is no past present nor future to a being like that. There is no Oct 23 1:41 pm to a being like that.

Everything is viewed as one moment....a concept like this is something a creature like us could never grasp because of our cause and effect reality.

We must bow down to cause and effect, to time, as well as any creature alien or likewise that exist with us. It is our dimension and existence.

Infiniti is not real to us nor would it be real to a being such as this. Infiniti to us is a mathematical anomaly, something to tell a mathematician there is a mistake.

Infiniti to a being described above would be impossible as well, for there is no time in such an existence. The being is just there, because it is there, even for something as "forever" as infiniti would not be possible to said being. As infiniti is still a measure of time.

For that I can never prescribe to orgins of this existence being based from any creature (living or non living) that is forced to obey our same limitations.

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 06:24:43 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 23, 2016, 06:17:59 AM

Scientists all pretend they know how it all started. We all have our own theories.
The reality of it all could be something that bamboozles the whole lot of us.

Very true,  we don't know if  T-Rex was a tourist or an illegal immigrant,   T-rex  sounds like he could be a Mexican rapper, so I doubt he would be able to make his own canoe.

Reported for racism.

Reported for voting Hillary.

NASA actually has found life in space and even on Mars.

We put it there.

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

3000 posts later Rayzor doesn't get it.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on October 23, 2016, 09:35:31 AM

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

3000 posts later Rayzor doesn't get it.

Dinosaurs didn't even exist!

But they still exist today!

And if the dinosaurs get in the way of your theory or model, just deny they exist too! Seems to work for many other things that get in the way..

Here are two examples of dinosaurs exhibiting vestigial boat building instincts:

Quote from: disputeone on October 23, 2016, 04:17:37 PM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on October 23, 2016, 09:35:31 AM

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

3000 posts later Rayzor doesn't get it.

Dinosaurs didn't even exist!

Gee, those pesky Chinese have been  planting massive bones in Outback Queensland again! 


You'd think our "Border Security" could keep tham out! Maybe they are smuggling them dehydrated in their carry-on luggage!

But they still exist today!

So,  let me get this straight,   Penguins are really dinosaurs?    That's  disturbing on so many levels.    Antarctica is defended by armed descendants of T-rex.    Not to be confused with T-mex the latino rapper.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on October 23, 2016, 09:35:31 AM

Quote from: Antithecyst on October 23, 2016, 08:29:06 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on October 23, 2016, 05:40:41 AM

What about the dinosaur boat theory?

For those who haven't heard it before,  one thing flat earthers can't explain is the presence of the same fossils on widely separated continents.  So the theory they expound is that dinosaurs were intelligent evolved creatures who sailed the world in boats as tourists, populating the various continents.   

Enter the weird wonderful world of the flat earth nutter theorist.

Why can't flat earthers believe in continental drift or some form of convergent evolution?

Because it's more fun for them to pretend that we all think dinosaurs built boats.

3000 posts later Rayzor doesn't get it.

Sadly, some never will. 

Don't forget the alternative to dinosaur boat theory.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63392.msg1680028#msg1680028

Don't forget the alternative to dinosaur boat theory.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63392.msg1680028#msg1680028

Best dino theory evar!

Quote from: Jane on October 24, 2016, 02:17:56 PM

Don't forget the alternative to dinosaur boat theory.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=63392.msg1680028#msg1680028

Best dino theory evar!

Please oh please tell me he was being serious...