Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2016, 04:48:26 AM »
Parsifal is kinda funny,

I enjoyed his thread on his trip to the blue mountains by train.
Was it an epic trip?
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #91 on: October 17, 2016, 05:29:06 AM »
Parsifal is an FE'er from Oz.  He is a bendy light specialist.
Appeal to authority.
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #92 on: October 21, 2016, 12:20:43 AM »
I've never been to Australia, don't know if there are any difficulties about shooting dingos in the dark, but, simply, "prove the southern stars exist" -- well I can't even prove the northern stars exist, except as points of light in the sky.  I suppose astronomers and astronauts, using telescopes and high tech equipment such as radio telescopes and satellites, could prove they exist - IF FEers are willing to accept the high-tech equipment.  Anyway, what they can do with the northern stars applies equally to the southern stars.

If you use a star map, such as appears (sometimes) in a world atlas or an astronomy textbook, you can see the stars and constellations of the southern hemisphere.  But the southernmost constellations have "modern" names and configurations, such as "the microscope" -- applied in the 19th and 20th centuries by Europeans who were utterly indifferent to what South American Indians and Africans and Australian Aborigines might have called the same stars and constellations.  They can be seen if you go south of the Equator and the further south you go the better view above the southern horizon of those stars never seen north of the Equator.  And, yes, they do circle around the sky as the hours pass, centered on a spot not occupied by a star but calculated to be due south.   

It seems to me that, if the earth is flat, it's tough enough to explain why the stars spin around the north pole without trying to explain why they also spin around the south pole - if the earth is flat.  I would posit the cycling of stars around both poles simultaneously as evidence of a round planet.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #93 on: October 21, 2016, 08:30:23 AM »

It seems to me that, if the earth is flat, it's tough enough to explain why the stars spin around the north pole without trying to explain why they also spin around the south pole - if the earth is flat.  I would posit the cycling of stars around both poles simultaneously as evidence of a round planet.

There is a variant of the flat earth model,  which has two poles,   it's called the bipolar model.    It doesn't work either.    And,  ....  there is yet another variant involving bendy light,  but good luck getting someone to explain how it works.

I've never been to Australia, don't know if there are any difficulties about shooting dingos in the dark

PS. Shooting at night is common enough,   you use a spotlight to pick up the eyes,  different animals have different eye reflections.  Foxes and rabbits are red,  wild dogs and dingos blueish,  cats green  etc.  You can see eye reflections from a long way off.   
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #94 on: October 22, 2016, 12:29:47 AM »

It seems to me that, if the earth is flat, it's tough enough to explain why the stars spin around the north pole without trying to explain why they also spin around the south pole - if the earth is flat.  I would posit the cycling of stars around both poles simultaneously as evidence of a round planet.

There is a variant of the flat earth model,  which has two poles,   it's called the bipolar model.    It doesn't work either.    And,  ....  there is yet another variant involving bendy light,  but good luck getting someone to explain how it works.

I've never been to Australia, don't know if there are any difficulties about shooting dingos in the dark

PS. Shooting at night is common enough,   you use a spotlight to pick up the eyes,  different animals have different eye reflections.  Foxes and rabbits are red,  wild dogs and dingos blueish,  cats green  etc.  You can see eye reflections from a long way off.

And just to make it clear... Australia doesnt have kangaroos running down our roads nor do dingos come in and snatch babies (other than perhaps once!). No offence, but Americans are awfully ethnocentric. One even complimented me on my English once because (I kid you not) he thought we spoke Chinese!

Sigh...

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #95 on: October 22, 2016, 02:29:08 AM »
That is categorically untrue.

This video is an accurate representation of Australia.

Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #96 on: October 22, 2016, 01:05:31 PM »
And just to make it clear... Australia doesnt have kangaroos running down our roads...
Incorrect.  You even have them brawling in the streets.
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #97 on: October 22, 2016, 01:13:12 PM »

It seems to me that, if the earth is flat, it's tough enough to explain why the stars spin around the north pole without trying to explain why they also spin around the south pole - if the earth is flat.  I would posit the cycling of stars around both poles simultaneously as evidence of a round planet.

There is a variant of the flat earth model,  which has two poles,   it's called the bipolar model.    It doesn't work either.    And,  ....  there is yet another variant involving bendy light,  but good luck getting someone to explain how it works.

I've never been to Australia, don't know if there are any difficulties about shooting dingos in the dark

PS. Shooting at night is common enough,   you use a spotlight to pick up the eyes,  different animals have different eye reflections.  Foxes and rabbits are red,  wild dogs and dingos blueish,  cats green  etc.  You can see eye reflections from a long way off.

And just to make it clear... Australia doesnt have kangaroos running down our roads nor do dingos come in and snatch babies (other than perhaps once!). No offence, but Americans are awfully ethnocentric. One even complimented me on my English once because (I kid you not) he thought we spoke Chinese!

Sigh...
I always thought kangaroos hopped rather than ran, but that just might be my ethnocentricity.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #98 on: October 22, 2016, 01:37:23 PM »
First you wreck the flat earth. Then you attack our notions of how kangaroos and dingos.  What's next? You're going to tell us crocodile dundee isn't an accurate representation of an average aussie?
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #99 on: October 22, 2016, 11:52:53 PM »
First you wreck the flat earth. Then you attack our notions of how kangaroos and dingos.  What's next? You're going to tell us crocodile dundee isn't an accurate representation of an average aussie?

We do have salt water crocs,  not the type of aquatic creature you'd feel comfortable swimming with.   For some weird unknown reason they tend to favour German tourists?   Don't get me wrong,  I like Germans,  it's just one of those weird statistical things.

As evidence of the above assertion,   https://www.google.com.au/search?q=german+tourist+crocodile&newwindow=1&espv=2&biw=1745&bih=967&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjE8O-fq_DPAhVdGGMKHbbfDioQ_AUIBygA&dpr=1.1

As for Paul Hogan,  he has been a bit quiet lately,  I think he was pinged for tax evasion?   

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #100 on: October 23, 2016, 01:38:03 AM »
That is categorically untrue.

This video is an accurate representation of Australia.


I take it all back! In this post Flat Earth General / Re: The Inconsistency of Gravity « on: Today at 01:23:38 AM » I tried to point out how you always insisted on 100% consistency.  ;D
 :P We've only had one Prime Minister "caught with his pants down" and that was in a hotel  (locked out of his room) and not floating on an inner-tube.  :P

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #101 on: October 23, 2016, 04:15:20 AM »
Perhaps they should think about putting up the warning signs in German? 

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #102 on: October 23, 2016, 05:07:48 AM »
Perhaps they should think about putting up the warning signs in German?
I don't know that signs would do much good.
"Britz" camper vans have signs in them "not to be taken onto gravel roads", but there's a saying in the outback
"What's the difference between a Britz camper and a Landcruiser Troopy camper?"

There answer from these tourists is supposedly

"A Britz camper will go anywhere!"

Those that know the outback will realise that "anywhere" can be pretty rugged - often called "Landcruiser territory".
Yes, we had a Landcruiser (not a Troopy) for the "round-the-block" trip(s), but I would never claim to have been everywhere - I'm not that crazy!

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #103 on: October 24, 2016, 08:08:05 PM »
Perhaps they should think about putting up the warning signs in German?

They do. 



Doesn't seem to help.
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #104 on: October 25, 2016, 02:10:07 AM »
Perhaps they should think about putting up the warning signs in German?

I don't know about the alligators your way but our crocs can't read German.
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #105 on: October 25, 2016, 03:35:04 AM »
Perhaps they should think about putting up the warning signs in German?

I don't know about the alligators your way but our crocs can't read German.
I hope I can get away with this, but our Queensland crocs are not keen on sauerkraut.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #106 on: November 02, 2016, 12:35:00 PM »
Prove to me you're not a nasa paid shill who's trying to make this forum look silly.

Why not take a trip to New Zealand or call someone who lives there and ask them to go outside after dark and look up. You could have a go and looking up but you would most likely have to extract your head from your ass.
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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #107 on: November 03, 2016, 07:17:43 AM »
Prove to me you're not a nasa paid shill who's trying to make this forum look silly.

Why not take a trip to New Zealand or call someone who lives there and ask them to go outside after dark and look up. You could have a go and looking up but you would most likely have to extract your head from your ass.

I'd say lurk moar but it's just so far past that now, just stop posting, it's embarrassing.
Why would that be inciting terrorism?  Lorddave was merely describing a type of shop we have here in the US, a bomb-gun shop.  A shop that sells bomb-guns.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #108 on: November 05, 2016, 07:20:01 PM »
Why doesn't someone just take a picture of the southern equivelant of the north star and shut the flat eathers up?

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2016, 09:27:01 PM »
Why doesn't someone just take a picture of the southern equivelant of the north star and shut the flat eathers up?
They'll say it was photoshopped, or faked somehow.

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Re: Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse
« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2016, 10:59:06 PM »
Why doesn't someone just take a picture of the southern equivelant of the north star and shut the flat eathers up?
They'll say it was photoshopped, or faked somehow.

OK, here's two,

Star trails around the south celestial pole, Siding Springs
     

Star Trails over the Sydney Opera House
Taken by: Charles G. Summers Jr., see WildImages

The photo on the left is a genuine photo of "Star trails around the South Celestial Pole" taken at Siding Springs Australian Astronomical Observatory. Note that there is no bright star doing tiny circles about the pole.

As soon as I saw the very nicely of the right, I thought "Summat's up here mate!". Can you see an obvious clue?
Well for a start, Sydney (where the Opera House is) is at almost 34° S latitude, so the South Celestial pole should be about 34° S up from the horizon.
Then the "South Celestial Pole" is due south, and anyone who knows Sydney will realise that this photo is probably taken looking a little north of east!

There is another clue, the photographer says so!
"Southern Hemisphere star trails stacked over a night image of the Sydney Opera House. The stars seem to rotate around Sigma Octantis."
Always a dead giveaway!

We all know that photos can be "Photoshopped", though often with more specialised programs than just Photoshop.
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