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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2016, 10:41:33 AM »
iWitness, was that before or after the talking snake?
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2016, 01:33:13 PM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 22, 2016, 10:01:30 AM
Like I already said, it's obvious none of you have read or studied the Bible fully.

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Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psalm 148:4

This was written by King David AFTER Noah's Flood, so you can't say the Firmament was destroyed in the flood.

Yes we can. For one the firmament is the sky and for another it says "heavens" plural. It's common knowledge that accords ring to the Bible there are three heavens: the sky, space, and God's kingdom. So the waters that be above the heavens could be referring to a canopy of ice beyond our universe.

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Other translations use "Praise Him, highest heavens" which cannot be the clouds which are definitely not in the "highest heavens" or "heavens of heavens".

See above.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2016, 02:18:35 PM »
or it could be referring to clouds. Sky is not a very definite definition.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2016, 02:08:25 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 19, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Look, you're wrong bro. You obvious haven't studied the Bible. All the ancient civilizations including the Hebrews, ancient Greeks, Persians, Egyptians believed the Sky was a Solid Dome and the Earth is Flat.

Garbage. The Ancient greeks thought it was round. The Bible also makes none of the claims you think it does.  And don't you think that reference solely to Ancient Peoples makes a rather poor scientific argument?
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2016, 02:13:30 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 22, 2016, 10:01:30 AM
Like I already said, it's obvious none of you have read or studied the Bible fully.

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Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psalm 148:4

This was written by King David AFTER Noah's Flood, so you can't say the Firmament was destroyed in the flood.

Other translations use "Praise Him, highest heavens" which cannot be the clouds which are definitely not in the "highest heavens" or "heavens of heavens".

Oh Good grief.  Go to Bible college and learn how to properly interpret Scripture. You are making an utter fool of yourself.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2016, 06:54:44 AM »


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Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psalm 148:4

Well known mistranslation.  It was Praise ham ye of heavens.



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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2016, 07:54:28 AM »
I'm not sure it matters, but King David didn't write Psalm 148. In fact, nobody knows who wrote it.
David was not the sole author of all the Psalms, although he did write the majority.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2016, 09:01:53 AM »
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iWitness, was that before or after the talking snake?

Pathetic.... morons think it's impossible for a "Serpent" to talk, but think nothing about the talking birds and other animals.

10 animals who can actually talk:
http://www.oddee.com/item_98829.aspx

You people have no faith, which is why you are too stupid to see the Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2016, 09:18:19 AM »
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It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
Isaiah 40:22

Yes the earth is shaped like a CIRCLE, not a SPHERE, and the Heavens are like a TENT. You read that right.



As you can see, when you add up all the scriptures, it is very obvious the Firmament is a Solid Dome and the Earth is flat.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2016, 09:21:59 AM by iWitness »
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2016, 09:24:52 AM »
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Oh Good grief.  Go to Bible college and learn how to properly interpret Scripture. You are making an utter fool of yourself.

Perhaps Job should have gone to Bible college too?

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Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2016, 09:25:55 AM »
And look, Ionospheric Propagation is proof there is a Crystal Firmament because they bounce radio waves off it.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2016, 09:30:42 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 23, 2016, 09:01:53 AM
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iWitness, was that before or after the talking snake?

Pathetic.... morons think it's impossible for a "Serpent" to talk, but think nothing about the talking birds and other animals.

10 animals who can actually talk:
http://www.oddee.com/item_98829.aspx

You people have no faith, which is why you are too stupid to see the Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Right, but see there are reasons a parrot can be taught to talk and not a snake. For one a parrot has something similar to vocal cords called a syntax. they also are significantly more intelligent than a snake. yeah.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2016, 10:22:28 AM »
It's par for the course for this site, but people actually trying to use an ancient book of desert fables to prove something about the world around us? Utterly hilarious.. and sad, too.

The bible is so demonstrably wrong in the things it purports, it is ludicrous to use it as some sort of historical evidence for something oranything for that matter. The story of genesis is bunk. The earth is not 6000 years old. The earth is in no way flat.

Sure, it's your prerogative to quibble over details and argue semantics about crap written in an ancient book, but geez... what a waste of time. Surely the fact that the people who wrote the bible were very obviously completely ignorant about earth sciences and got mostly everything wrong shows that it most certainly wasn't divinely inspired?

Religion is just a cancer that has sadly lived on into the modern day, despite the fact that it is detrimental to the world as a whole even if it may help some people on a personal level.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2016, 01:29:18 PM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 23, 2016, 09:01:53 AM
You people have no faith, which is why you are too stupid to see the Secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Are you sure that you want to trust bronze age people to have a sophisticated understanding of the nature of the universe?
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2016, 01:58:09 PM »
Quote from: iWitness on September 23, 2016, 09:18:19 AM
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It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
Isaiah 40:22

Yes the earth is shaped like a CIRCLE, not a SPHERE, and the Heavens are like a TENT. You read that right.



As you can see, when you add up all the scriptures, it is very obvious the Firmament is a Solid Dome and the Earth is flat.

It says CIRCLE, not disc either. A circle is a 2D object which cannot exist in the real world. A sphere however is the most perfect form of a circle there is because no matter how you look at it, there's always a circle somewhere. A disc is only a circle if you look directly down upon it. Refer to the video in my link for more details.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2016, 03:30:12 PM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on September 23, 2016, 01:58:09 PM

"It says CIRCLE..."

"A circle is a 2D object which cannot exist in the real world."

"A sphere however is the most perfect form of a circle there is because no matter how you look at it, there's always a circle somewhere."

"A disc is only a circle."

What exactly are you trying to prove?

Quote from: FETlolcakes on September 23, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
"The earth is in no way flat."

"...very obviously completely ignorant about earth sciences."

"Religion is just a cancer ... even if it may help some people..."

"Utterly hilarious.. and sad, too."
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2016, 04:00:47 PM »
Quote from: N30 on September 23, 2016, 03:30:12 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on September 23, 2016, 01:58:09 PM

"It says CIRCLE..."

"A circle is a 2D object which cannot exist in the real world."

"A sphere however is the most perfect form of a circle there is because no matter how you look at it, there's always a circle somewhere."

"A disc is only a circle."

What exactly are you trying to prove?

Quote from: FETlolcakes on September 23, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
"The earth is in no way flat."

"...very obviously completely ignorant about earth sciences."

"Religion is just a cancer ... even if it may help some people..."

"Utterly hilarious.. and sad, too."

Quoting people out of context doesn't make you smart, it just makes you a disingenuous idiot.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2016, 05:22:19 PM »
You ignored my question, then, posted a video of a quote out of context.

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"...it just makes you a disingenuous idiot."

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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2016, 05:27:19 PM »
Quote from: N30 on September 23, 2016, 03:30:12 PM
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on September 23, 2016, 01:58:09 PM

"It says CIRCLE..."

"A circle is a 2D object which cannot exist in the real world."

"A sphere however is the most perfect form of a circle there is because no matter how you look at it, there's always a circle somewhere."

"A disc is only a circle."

What exactly are you trying to prove?

Quote from: FETlolcakes on September 23, 2016, 10:22:28 AM
"The earth is in no way flat."

"...very obviously completely ignorant about earth sciences."

"Religion is just a cancer ... even if it may help some people..."

"Utterly hilarious.. and sad, too."

What exactly do you mean and what's with the crazy quotes?
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2016, 04:30:12 AM »
the Bible also states Cain and Abel married women

..but were the first 2 sons of Adam and Eve?

that's the Bible confirming previous civilisations - but you'll disagree


also, if the firmament is solid glass, how are meteors regularly passing through? are they using the bird-flap? they land as molten rock remember, not glass


- it also states more than one god
- it also states the earth is 6,000,000yrs old when it's been tested to be much older
- it also claims satan as a bad guy for giving humans the gift of knowledge
- it also copies the birth/death story from the equinoxes
- it also talks about physical aliens not from earth


blindly following a book someone once told you to follow is dangerous

try a little research
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2016, 09:17:55 AM »
It also says that they "begot many sons and daughters"

Also, they had a son named Seth as well.

Insert wouldntnhave been a problem because their genetics were obviously much superior to ours (they lived for hundreds of years, after all)

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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #51 on: September 25, 2016, 11:08:25 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on September 25, 2016, 04:30:12 AM
- it also states the earth is 6,000,000yrs old when it's been tested to be much older
No, the Bible never states anywhere the age of the earth.  However, in the 17th century, Archbishop James Ussher used the Bible to calculate that the earth was created at 6:00 p.m. on Saturday, October 23, 4004 BC.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #52 on: September 25, 2016, 11:11:55 AM »
Plus, God could have created an "old" earth. It's not like he's limited to only using new rocks or something
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2016, 12:11:15 PM »
Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 25, 2016, 11:11:55 AM
Plus, God could have created an "old" earth. It's not like he's limited to only using new rocks or something
Certainly plausible. Consider this analogy : Jesus' first recorded miracle was turning water into wine. Wine must be aged before drinking.
John chapter 2 :They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2016, 09:35:49 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on September 25, 2016, 04:30:12 AM
the Bible also states Cain and Abel married women

..but were the first 2 sons of Adam and Eve?

that's the Bible confirming previous civilisations - but you'll disagree

Or it could be that Cain and Seth married unnamed sisters.

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also, if the firmament is solid glass, how are meteors regularly passing through? are they using the bird-flap? they land as molten rock remember, not glass


- it also states more than one god

Where?
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- it also states the earth is 6,000,000yrs old when it's been tested to be much older

Actually its been calculated to be 6,000 years old. The Bible doesn't directly state the dates but by calculating ages of mentioned characters and adding that to modern history you'll get around 6,000 years. And rather not derailing the thread toward a creation/evolution debate I'll just leave it as the current dating methods can be flawed.

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- it also claims satan as a bad guy for giving humans the gift of knowledge

Actually it was the knowledge of good and evil. They only knew good up until that point. It'll be like teaching a child how to use drugs.

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- it also copies the birth/death story from the equinoxes

Example?
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- it also talks about physical aliens not from earth

I know it speaks of fallen angels but where does speak of aliens?

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blindly following a book someone once told you to follow is dangerous

try a little research

I would say the same about you.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2016, 09:39:10 AM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on September 26, 2016, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: Johnorbital on September 25, 2016, 04:30:12 AM
the Bible also states Cain and Abel married women

..but were the first 2 sons of Adam and Eve?

that's the Bible confirming previous civilisations - but you'll disagree

Or it could be that Cain and Seth married unnamed sisters.
Ah yes, the good old days when incest wasn't creepy.
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2016, 12:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on September 26, 2016, 09:35:49 AM
And rather not derailing the thread toward a creation/evolution debate I'll just leave it as the current dating methods can be flawed.

Yes, I'm sure the plethora of state-of-the-art dating methods available are all less accurate than adding the length of some people's lives in an old book.   ::)
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Re: What more proof do you need?
« Reply #57 on: September 28, 2016, 07:17:53 AM »
Quote from: getrealzommb on September 19, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
So... iWitness, why are these clouds lit underneath?

 

Those clouds look pretty dark to me.  ::)
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