A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!

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A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« on: September 09, 2016, 01:14:08 AM »
A Challenge that waiting for accept the rounders have the conditions as follow:

1- graduated from a technical department of Universty
2- propose do the experiment which i recommend.
3- preferably not idiot or ignored by me.

I recommend this model for free fall instead of gravity.



The alternative model is gravity depends on one force as gravitational force.

We pre accept as we don't know anything about gravity or sky pushing.

So we'll calculate constants first.

1- We pre accept as air resistance is zero and done 3 experiments for calculating constants for each theory. 4th and 5th experiments prove us which one is near to be real.

2- We pre accept as air resistance is exist, then we'll do 4 experiments for calculating constans and air resistance. 5th and 6th experiments prove us which one is near to be real.

Confront !

You came who are you most faithless !! And Taste my sword !

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Edit:

Most of users don't understand what i mean or how the experiment done or what is the sense of all.

We are using the formula of gravitation for Newton's law for calculating to free fall time. It's like that: F= g*m1*m2/R^2  Actually it is a bit more complex than this but generally useful this formula.

Now.

I'm refusing that gravity is exist so i need another formula for define the calculating time for free fall.

Newton formula depends on the gravity. So i need an alternative power for gravity and recommend it as "sky pushing power".

I recommend that: "Earth isn't pulling us, sky is pushing us".  (Because almost everything push others) 8)

So i must suggest an alternative formula. The shape on the top depends on explaining that formula. The parameters will show after experiments.

Newtons formulas for F depends on a parameter (k*g*m1*m2) and a function f(1/R^2).
Alternative formula depends on a parameter (K*F(h)).

As we see that two formulas so different. Both two has some constants and some changeables. Changeables depends on (1/R^2). for Newton's law and for us depends on (H) for our formula.

It is generally accepted that Newton's law is correct. But "g" is actually a constant but changes by location and by the altitude. It is unacceptable. If "g" changes, then Formulate to "g" depending on variables. It is not my problem, it is problem of who defend Newton's law of universal gravitation.

I don't accept to changing for g some values as 9,8 or 9,81, 9,82. You can get only one value for one constant! You can't change the constant!

I'll not use Newton's gravitation law, i'll use the formula depends on some (H) values and all we calculate the altitude of the "heaven" together.  :D

Okey.

We'll do 3 experiments for sure our constants and a variable formula;after that  4th and 5th experiments will be for show us the Newton's gravitation theory is better then "pushing by sky" or opposite is true.

Equipments requered for this test:

1- A laser meter for measuring the altitude of rock will free fall.
2- A camera for recording the experiment and prove the free falling time.
3- An altimeter for measuring the altitude (or all of experiments done at sea level), or a navigation program shows location and altitude.

Okey. You can ask where don't you understand.

Edit:

Calculating the mimimum distance of experiment added:

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1- Our measuring instruments measure with precision of centimeters. (0,01 metre)
2- We need find out the changing of the g as 9,80 to 9,79 or 9,81. This means we need measure the changing of the g 0,01. it is %0,1 of g.

So we should to calculating the mimimum distance of experiment as follow:

ΔH = 1/2 Δg*t^2
0,01= 1/2* 0,001 *t^2 >> so >> 20=t^2
put t^2 to in its place

H = 1/2 * 9,80 * 20 = 98 metres.

So;

Measurement of experiment distance should be higher than 98 metres for a meaningfull experiment.

This is theorically like this but we don't need to comply to the theory, if we can not.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2016, 01:19:52 AM »
I know that you think you are making sense, but you really arent.

Little of what you say (ever) makes any sense. If you have an experiment you think will debunk gravity then perform it yourself then present your findings here. No one is going to bother performing an experiment for you just so you can reject it no matter what. We've been thru that idiocy with scepti and his daft denpressure delusion.

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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2016, 01:21:55 AM »
Also, please put me on your ignore list. Since you ignore anyone who has the temerity to correct you, I feel like I haven't done well enough to get on your ignore list.

If it helps, I think you are an idiot.

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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2016, 01:22:23 AM »
I'm giving you one month for acceptance and evaluation.   :-X
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2016, 01:26:14 AM »
After a month if nobody accept that challenge, i'll declare all of the rounders are cowards and dishonorable! Now i'm going to holliday for 9 days for give you thinking and discussing time.  8)
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 01:30:28 AM »
I shall make you a counter offer. Buy me a weather balloon a gravity meter and a gopro.

And I shall go to the bonneville salt flats and do experiments that are far more relevant than whatever the hell that gibberish is you scribbled down.
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2016, 01:30:38 AM »
No one is going to do the experiment for several reasons.
1) you dont explain it even remotely well enough to do
2) you are an idiot
3) no on is going to do your job for you
4) you are lazy
5) gravity is proven
6) you are a lazy idiot.


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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2016, 01:32:00 AM »
I shall make you a counter offer. Buy me a weather balloon a gravity meter and a gopro.

And I shall go to the bonneville salt flats and do experiments that are far more relevant than whatever the hell that gibberish is you scribbled down.

I have no idea what he is proposing either. The diagrams are just as obtuse as his failed effort at English.

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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2016, 01:40:17 AM »
I shall make you a counter offer. Buy me a weather balloon a gravity meter and a gopro.

And I shall go to the bonneville salt flats and do experiments that are far more relevant than whatever the hell that gibberish is you scribbled down.

I have no idea what he is proposing either. The diagrams are just as obtuse as his failed effort at English.

I'm not totally sure but I think he wants us to drop a rock from an airplane onto a teeter totter. It doesn't sound like an experiment so much as it sounds like a terrorist  attack a retard would have come up with.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2016, 01:43:29 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2016, 01:47:03 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.

How do you manage to be so polite to Ski??

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2016, 01:53:00 AM »
I am guessing his experiment is dropping a rock off a bridge and timing how long it takes to hit the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equations_for_a_falling_body

All the formulas in that link have been proven right a lot of times.  They get used by professionals all over the world.

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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2016, 01:57:19 AM »
Your 'model' means nothing if you don't identify what the parameters are in it.

You can eliminate air resistance by not having any air



I measured the acceleration caused by gravity at school. The models we used then worked out just fine.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2016, 02:00:51 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.

How do you manage to be so polite to Ski??

Ski is polite to me. He's also no idiot. I disagree with him on the whole flat earth thing but I can learn things from people like that even if I fundamentally disagree with them.

I'm actually a fairly diplomatic person in real life it's just a few of the members of this forum... I try but I'm not made of stone.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2016, 02:22:56 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.

How do you manage to be so polite to Ski??

Ski is polite to me. He's also no idiot. I disagree with him on the whole flat earth thing but I can learn things from people like that even if I fundamentally disagree with them.

I'm actually a fairly diplomatic person in real life it's just a few of the members of this forum... I try but I'm not made of stone.

Do you mind discussing the mach thing and skis attitude towards it over on the other thread?

If he is no idiot why is he refusing to discuss the points i have raised with him?   He must realise what i am saying to him and yet he just keeps pretending he does not.


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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2016, 02:37:07 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.

How do you manage to be so polite to Ski??

Ski is polite to me. He's also no idiot. I disagree with him on the whole flat earth thing but I can learn things from people like that even if I fundamentally disagree with them.

I'm actually a fairly diplomatic person in real life it's just a few of the members of this forum... I try but I'm not made of stone.

Do you mind discussing the mach thing and skis attitude towards it over on the other thread?

If he is no idiot why is he refusing to discuss the points i have raised with him?   He must realise what i am saying to him and yet he just keeps pretending he does not.

Well I put in a reply to his last post towards me.  No response yet.  I'd rather not press for an answer.  The discussion is becoming a bit heated and I find it's good to let things cool down.  If I press too hard it just becomes a slug fight and I'm terrible at those.  If you want to go that route though feel free to use the points I brought up.
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2016, 03:32:13 AM »
God I love being on initkams ignore list. It's like screaming curse words and racist slurs at a robocaller.

How do you manage to be so polite to Ski??

Ski is polite to me. He's also no idiot. I disagree with him on the whole flat earth thing but I can learn things from people like that even if I fundamentally disagree with them.

I'm actually a fairly diplomatic person in real life it's just a few of the members of this forum... I try but I'm not made of stone.

Do you mind discussing the mach thing and skis attitude towards it over on the other thread?

If he is no idiot why is he refusing to discuss the points i have raised with him?   He must realise what i am saying to him and yet he just keeps pretending he does not.

Well I put in a reply to his last post towards me.  No response yet.  I'd rather not press for an answer.  The discussion is becoming a bit heated and I find it's good to let things cool down.  If I press too hard it just becomes a slug fight and I'm terrible at those.  If you want to go that route though feel free to use the points I brought up.

At this point in time there is nothing I can do with him because either by design or by accident he is twisting what I am saying so he can imagine there is nothing to discuss with me.  I find it hard to believe he is accidently doing it.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2016, 03:37:04 AM »
After a month if nobody accept that challenge, i'll declare all of the rounders are cowards and dishonorable! Now i'm going to holliday for 9 days for give you thinking and discussing time.  8)
Since we can't work out what you mean how can we respond?

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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2016, 05:07:28 AM »
Ok. When i was log off and returned back, i see most of users don't understand what i mean or how the experiment will done or what it means. Okey i'm preparing an explanation for that and will be added to "topic post" after i finished it. Probably next a few moments or in a half of an hour.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2016, 05:27:57 AM »
First post is edited.
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2016, 05:33:08 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2016, 05:40:10 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.

It was hard work to write.
I think he understands who technical graduates .
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2016, 05:41:12 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.

It was hard work to write.

Just goes to show: hard work doesn't always pay off.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2016, 05:45:10 AM »
Why don't you start off by clearly defining your hypothesis.  Then clearly tell us what the terms in your formula mean.  Eg:

(K*F(h))

I think you can do away with the outer brackets for starters.  Now I'm guessing h=height, so:

h = height
K = ??
F = ??
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2016, 05:45:42 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.

It was hard work to write.

Just goes to show: hard work doesn't always pay off.

I think you are not a technical graduates.
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2016, 05:47:29 AM »
Why don't you start off by clearly defining your hypothesis.  Then clearly tell us what the terms in your formula mean.  Eg:

(K*F(h))

I think you can do away with the outer brackets for starters.  Now I'm guessing h=height, so:

h = height
K = ??
F = ??

h = height
K = constant (We read constant as Konstant so K)  :)
F = Force
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2016, 05:47:59 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.

It was hard work to write.

Just goes to show: hard work doesn't always pay off.

I think you are not a technical graduates.
Does this mean you are refusing to define your hypothesis and terms?

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I'd rather not, thanks.
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Re: A Challenge to All of the pretentious Rounders!
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2016, 05:50:35 AM »
It's still and incoherent mess.

It was hard work to write.

Just goes to show: hard work doesn't always pay off.

I think you are not a technical graduates.
Does this mean you are refusing to define your hypothesis and terms?

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You came who are you most faithless !! And Taste my sword !
I'd rather not, thanks.

I'll wrote it, look one up  before post as system warns you  :).
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2016, 05:51:12 AM »
h = height
K = constant (We read constant as Konstant so K)  :)
F = Force

So it's just essentially Force * Height?  This will give me the acceleration of objects in freefall?

What is the "Force"?  Why don't you just plug some real numbers in to give us an example...oh, and define your hypothesis.
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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2016, 05:54:02 AM »
h = height
K = constant (We read constant as Konstant so K)  :)
F = Force

So it's just essentially Force * Height?  This will give me the acceleration of objects in freefall?

What is the "Force"?  Why don't you just plug some real numbers in to give us an example...oh, and define your hypothesis.

Yes, a force depends on high gives you an acceleration of objects in freefall.

You are really acting a beginner for physics. I think it would be better if you wrote after a few investigating. Or this is not your matter.
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