what exactly do the stars do?

i would like to know how the stars act in the FE model. this was raised in a post by User324 but along with other points, so it got buried.

with a RE model, standing at the north pole, looking up would give a circle rotation, but looking towards north from the equator will show an arc.

here is the picture examples:

1. Startrails
From the north pole, looking straight up, it looks like this


And at the equator like this

you do not have to visit the north pole or the equator to experiment with this either. i am somewhere between the 2 and if i look one direction i should see an arc (not quite like the one in the equator pic though), and if i look 90 degrees from there i should see more of a vertical pattern, going over my head and back down the other side (although, again, not quite perfectly as i am not on the equator).

i havent done this experiment yet but i will try to do it tonight.


so my question is, how do the stars act in a FE model that can support this?
i assume the pictures to be legit, but i dont know this for sure, so is this just a case of corrupt pictures? or is there a theory that can support this?

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

He means how do the stars rotate around both the north pole and the south pole.

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

Quote from: -leigh- on September 08, 2016, 05:13:22 PM

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

do you seriously mean that the stars produce all the light for the sun and moon? 

i hope they do,i hope so

Quote from: rabinoz on September 09, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 08, 2016, 05:13:22 PM

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

do you seriously mean that the stars produce all the light for the sun and moon? 

i hope they do,i hope so

Would you please explain what medium causes all that light to be focused into objects like this:

Quote from: -leigh- on September 09, 2016, 06:11:35 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 09, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 08, 2016, 05:13:22 PM

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

do you seriously mean that the stars produce all the light for the sun and moon? 

i hope they do,i hope so

Would you please explain what medium causes all that light to be focused into objects like this:

its not an object that is a fake picture i promise you

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 09, 2016, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 09, 2016, 06:11:35 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 09, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 08, 2016, 05:13:22 PM

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

do you seriously mean that the stars produce all the light for the sun and moon? 

i hope they do,i hope so

Would you please explain what medium causes all that light to be focused into objects like this:

its not an object that is a fake picture i promise you

and look at it

Quote from: -leigh- on September 09, 2016, 08:51:07 AM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on September 09, 2016, 06:34:26 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 09, 2016, 06:11:35 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on September 09, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

Quote from: -leigh- on September 08, 2016, 05:13:22 PM

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

They what?

By "the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon"

do you seriously mean that the stars produce all the light for the sun and moon? 

i hope they do,i hope so

Would you please explain what medium causes all that light to be focused into objects like this:

its not an object that is a fake picture i promise you

and look at it

its just like the fake earth,please

Would you please explain what medium causes all that light to be focused into objects like this:

its not an object that is a fake picture i promise you

and look at it

its just like the fake earth,please

That photo was shot with a Canon 550D at prime focus through an ED80. Post processing in Photoshop involved curve/level adjustments and a little HDR for contrast, upping the vibrance to bring out the surface colouring, and a sharpen to finish. This is a jpg copy of the raw straight off the camera: http://imgur.com/1ac90t1

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/190m1q/hello_moon_my_first_photo_through_a_telescope/

its just like the fake earth,please

Sure, we've learned long ago the Flat Earth definition of "fake".

Look at the moon through a telescope. It is a sphere.

Clearly the government has infiltrated the telescope industry, and installs small ludicrous-high-defenition moniters inside them and motion trackers to sense where the telescopes are pointing, so that they can give exactly the image they want.

Look at the moon through a telescope. It is a sphere.

Clearly the government has infiltrated the telescope industry, and installs small ludicrous-high-defenition moniters inside them and motion trackers to sense where the telescopes are pointing, so that they can give exactly the image they want.

And all of that magically disappears when you open your telescope for cleaning, adjustments and additions.

they produce the light in the firmament(the dome,the lense)the lense then concentrates the light down giving us the sun and the moon

i mean, what movement do the stars have in relation to the earth, in the FE model?

for example, in the RE model, the sphere is spinning, so from our perspective the stars are rotating around us.
what is the FE version of this?

thanks

In FE, stars are rotating around Polaris (or north celestial pole) on circular orbits.

Don't ask me how far they are, because all answers that I saw made no sense vs observations.

In FE, stars are rotating around Polaris (or north celestial pole) on circular orbits.

Don't ask me how far they are, because all answers that I saw made no sense vs observations.

so they circle in a similar manner to how the sun does in the FE model? so are they also much closer to the earth then? and smaller too?

any FEs want to chime in on this too?

nobody care to help me with this one?

so they circle in a similar manner to how the sun does in the FE model? so are they also much closer to the earth then? and smaller too?

Yes, yes and yes.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Stars

Quote from: Brouwer on September 10, 2016, 12:09:12 PM

In FE, stars are rotating around Polaris (or north celestial pole) on circular orbits.

Don't ask me how far they are, because all answers that I saw made no sense vs observations.

so they circle in a similar manner to how the sun does in the FE model? so are they also much closer to the earth then? and smaller too?

any FEs want to chime in on this too?

In FE model we have Dome above us, Sun and Moon are all the time
some 3000 miles above the ground, and the Dome is above them.

Stars are small, glued to the Dome. Dome rotates, and stars with it. Several "wandering stars"
(planets, their moons, asteroids, commets...) are flying around off their leash.

Some weird optics shows Sun, Moon and Stars at the places where they are not,
so they all look like "setting" or "rising" when are too far from observer.

That is because of properties of light itself.
Celestial light emitted from celestial bodies curves, because of boomerang-photons.
When celestial light hits something (say, pocket mirror) it is not curved any more,
because boomerang-photons get squished and lose ability to curve.

I just don't understand how are those boomerang-photons, before get squished,
so well trained to fly in formation, instead of getting scattered all over the place.
(If you fire coins from shotgun, they do get scattered beyond any aiming.)

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

Quote from: tun on September 16, 2016, 12:31:53 PM

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

thats what i feared
its a shame, i really, really wanted there to be some backing to this theory, but there is almost nothing and compared to the consistent maths across round earth theory it has nothing.

so for me its concluded. the earth is very clearly round, in fact i think you would either need to be an idiot or clinging on to hope to believe that its flat.

Quote from: SpJunk on September 16, 2016, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: tun on September 16, 2016, 12:31:53 PM

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

thats what i feared
its a shame, i really, really wanted there to be some backing to this theory, but there is almost nothing and compared to the consistent maths across round earth theory it has nothing.

so for me its concluded. the earth is very clearly round, in fact i think you would either need to be an idiot or clinging on to hope to believe that its flat.

Well there you go. No need to hang around now you're convinced that the Earth is a globe.
My guess is that your goal was always set before you signed up. You're not the first and nor will you be the last.

Quote from: tun on September 17, 2016, 05:48:55 AM

Quote from: SpJunk on September 16, 2016, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: tun on September 16, 2016, 12:31:53 PM

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

thats what i feared
its a shame, i really, really wanted there to be some backing to this theory, but there is almost nothing and compared to the consistent maths across round earth theory it has nothing.

so for me its concluded. the earth is very clearly round, in fact i think you would either need to be an idiot or clinging on to hope to believe that its flat.

Well there you go. No need to hang around now you're convinced that the Earth is a globe.
My guess is that your goal was always set before you signed up. You're not the first and nor will you be the last.

absolutely not, youve got me completely wrong. i wanted there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence for FE. i love to learn new controversial things, but im a man of evidence, and im seeing none.
there are some parts which make sense and cant be debunked, but anybody can make up things that cant be debunked, just look at the various religions around the world as an example.
the rest is being picked apart by REers and there is no solid arguements from FEers to defend the theory. so many questions get avoided, or answered with made up science or maths, and there are also things being put forward by REers that FEers can try for themselves (which i also did) and they simply refuse to try them. maybe theyre lazy? but my guess is that deep down they know that their theory can be broken apart easily.


so i came here on the fence about the whole idea, but now im sure the earth is round.

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 17, 2016, 06:04:55 AM

Quote from: tun on September 17, 2016, 05:48:55 AM

Quote from: SpJunk on September 16, 2016, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: tun on September 16, 2016, 12:31:53 PM

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

thats what i feared
its a shame, i really, really wanted there to be some backing to this theory, but there is almost nothing and compared to the consistent maths across round earth theory it has nothing.

so for me its concluded. the earth is very clearly round, in fact i think you would either need to be an idiot or clinging on to hope to believe that its flat.

Well there you go. No need to hang around now you're convinced that the Earth is a globe.
My guess is that your goal was always set before you signed up. You're not the first and nor will you be the last.

absolutely not, youve got me completely wrong. i wanted there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence for FE. i love to learn new controversial things, but im a man of evidence, and im seeing none.
there are some parts which make sense and cant be debunked, but anybody can make up things that cant be debunked, just look at the various religions around the world as an example.
the rest is being picked apart by REers and there is no solid arguements from FEers to defend the theory. so many questions get avoided, or answered with made up science or maths, and there are also things being put forward by REers that FEers can try for themselves (which i also did) and they simply refuse to try them. maybe theyre lazy? but my guess is that deep down they know that their theory can be broken apart easily.


so i came here on the fence about the whole idea, but now I'm sure the earth is round.

Like I said earlier: you know in  your mind that the globe is correct and flat Earth has no answers that pacify you, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...so there's really no point in your being here, is there?
Unless your goal was to simply pretend to want to find flat Earth truths and then lead people on to them hit them with the old " oh well, I'm certain it's a globe now because flat earth theory falls apart from a few words expressed by my indoctrinated global peers."

Try a new (but used) angle for yourself. Play the good cop bad cop routine by using 2 names. Some do it on here and think they're fooling people. Let's see how good you are.

If at this point you are sniggering and already are doing this in another name, then give yourself a little pat on the back for the stealth of it.
If not, then you can always try that angle if you get bored.

If by a 1% chance you are actually genuine then I expect to see you delving into the flat Earth and alternate Earth theories and trying to understand what's going on in this world of ours whilst trying your utmost to repel the back lash you will inevitably receive from the globalites who will immediately treat you like a massive traitor.


You have some thinking to do. I'll respect you when you show a non-robotic side to your nature.

Maybe if the flat earth theory wasn't reputable by everyday observations, iT would have a bigger following.

Alternatively, you can read the posts started by the self proclaimed leading scientist of flat earth theory, Flat Earth Scientist. Be sure to watch all 6 YouTube videos chock full of proof, evidence, and facts. If by then you aren't fully convinced, ask him yourself, and he will tell you the earth is flat.
That simple.

Maybe if the flat earth theory wasn't reputable by everyday observations, iT would have a bigger following.

But, I am reputable, by all observations.  If you think otherwise, please provide a shred of evidence. 

you do not have to visit the north pole or the equator to experiment with this either.

Wrong. 
You have to do much more than visit the north pole or the equator to experiment with this. 

You have to have a parabolic mirror the size of the dome that surrounds us!!!!!   









You shills are terrible!!!!   You post internally nonsensical pronouncements that can ONLY convince a scientifically illerate idiot. 

Quote from: tun on September 18, 2016, 05:42:18 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on September 17, 2016, 06:04:55 AM

Quote from: tun on September 17, 2016, 05:48:55 AM

Quote from: SpJunk on September 16, 2016, 08:53:16 PM

Quote from: tun on September 16, 2016, 12:31:53 PM

thanks for the replies. flat earth theory is making even less sense to me than when i started looking into it :/

so are the pictures we see just supposed to be fakes?

Pictures from space, videos of midnight sun in Antarctica, Moon landings are hoaxes,
ISS is not in orbit, it is in Zero-G airplane... (They extended somehow the Zero-G limitations
beyond 25-30 seconds. Nobody knows how.)

All measurements and observations done by Geodesy, Astronomy, Navigation, Architecture/Construction,
Geography, Meteorology, ... are fake, because all of the people involved are part of conspiracy.

Anything that doesn't support FE Theory is fake, lies, conspiracy, indoctrination, brainwash, ....

thats what i feared
its a shame, i really, really wanted there to be some backing to this theory, but there is almost nothing and compared to the consistent maths across round earth theory it has nothing.

so for me its concluded. the earth is very clearly round, in fact i think you would either need to be an idiot or clinging on to hope to believe that its flat.

Well there you go. No need to hang around now you're convinced that the Earth is a globe.
My guess is that your goal was always set before you signed up. You're not the first and nor will you be the last.

absolutely not, youve got me completely wrong. i wanted there to be an overwhelming amount of evidence for FE. i love to learn new controversial things, but im a man of evidence, and im seeing none.
there are some parts which make sense and cant be debunked, but anybody can make up things that cant be debunked, just look at the various religions around the world as an example.
the rest is being picked apart by REers and there is no solid arguements from FEers to defend the theory. so many questions get avoided, or answered with made up science or maths, and there are also things being put forward by REers that FEers can try for themselves (which i also did) and they simply refuse to try them. maybe theyre lazy? but my guess is that deep down they know that their theory can be broken apart easily.


so i came here on the fence about the whole idea, but now I'm sure the earth is round.

Like I said earlier: you know in  your mind that the globe is correct and flat Earth has no answers that pacify you, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...so there's really no point in your being here, is there?
Unless your goal was to simply pretend to want to find flat Earth truths and then lead people on to them hit them with the old " oh well, I'm certain it's a globe now because flat earth theory falls apart from a few words expressed by my indoctrinated global peers."

Try a new (but used) angle for yourself. Play the good cop bad cop routine by using 2 names. Some do it on here and think they're fooling people. Let's see how good you are.

If at this point you are sniggering and already are doing this in another name, then give yourself a little pat on the back for the stealth of it.
If not, then you can always try that angle if you get bored.

If by a 1% chance you are actually genuine then I expect to see you delving into the flat Earth and alternate Earth theories and trying to understand what's going on in this world of ours whilst trying your utmost to repel the back lash you will inevitably receive from the globalites who will immediately treat you like a massive traitor.


You have some thinking to do. I'll respect you when you show a non-robotic side to your nature.

its funny you say that, because i did give up on this place. im only back here today because im bored. i will probably be back in another month when im bored again

i did in fact delve in to flat earth theory, but im not sure how you could "see" that unless you have hacked my computer. not that i care if you see it, i did it for my benefit, not yours. on that note, i also dont care in the slightest what you think of me and i certainly dont want or need your respect.

one of the biggest flaws ive seen in the theory is how everybody who claims to know something REs dont tend to avoid the questions people ask them.
look at yourself as an example. rather than answer the question you have decided to attempt to pick me apart, which funnily enough you have done just as badly as you have explained the FE model.

i dont really see the point in sticking around to share my opinions as to why the earth is flat, since most people here dont care what my opinion is, but it was worth coming back to see your utterly useless attempt at revealing my sneaky ulterior motive.

im happy to let people believe whatever they want, even if has been mostly debunked over and over again. its not my problem, its theirs. although im pretty sure that most of the FEers here are actually bored REers, maybe even you too, but i dont know you and wont claim to know everything about you.

so yea, im out. thanks to everyone here (flat and round earthers) for helping me see the truth.