Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #150 on: September 17, 2016, 01:55:37 AM »
I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me.

All I receive are insults and incoherent descriptions of a world obviously not universally accepted.
Must I restate my questions again, mind you, if you don't have time to answer them... don't!

You get insults because you give insults. Just to give an example, you open by asking
Why is Earth officially defined as on oblate spheroid wider south of equatorial locations, making a pear shape.
As far as I have seen no photo from "space" shows this.
Keep in mind that mathematics cannot ignore such imperfections.
Ergo, all equations assuming Earth is a sphere must be re evaluated.

Unless Scientific American is lying, Earth is not even a perfect oblate spheroid.
Please explain why large errors and approximations are accepted as true for calculating the shape of our planet.
Even your question is couched in an insulting way, with "Unless Scientific American is lying, Earth is not even a perfect oblate spheroid"

You attitude is exemplified by "Keep in mind that mathematics cannot ignore such imperfections."
This is not a matter of mathematical errors, it is about measuring a huge and slightly irregular physical object.
You cannot calculate mathematically the dimensions of the earth, you have to measure it!

Then you get its reply from SpJunk
Difference between equatorial and polar diameters is 0.35%.
With error of 0.35% you can use approximation from "almost-circle" to "circle".

Draw ellipse 7.898 inches high and 7.926 inches wide.
Would you be able to see the deformation of 0.028 inches?
The thickness of the line you draw is 0.7 milimeters, which is roughly 0.028 inches.

You could google this for yourself:

"The mean radius of Earth is 3,959 miles (6,371 kilometers).
However, Earth is not quite a sphere.
The planet's rotation causes it to bulge at the equator.
Earth's equatorial diameter is 7,926 miles (12,756 km),
but from pole to pole, the diameter is 7,898 miles (12,714 km)
 — a difference of only 28 miles (42 km)."

So, equator is 14 miles farther from the center of the earth than poles.
Which to me seems quite a reasonable answer, and as he says, it is easy for you to look up the same information, but how do you reply?
You could google this for yourself:

"The mean radius of Earth is 3,959 miles (6,371 kilometers).
However, Earth is not quite a sphere.
The planet's rotation causes it to bulge at the equator.
Earth's equatorial diameter is 7,926 miles (12,756 km),


This is why I believe in a Flat Earth. How did you calculate the mean? You obviously did it wrong.
Well, instead of rudely stating You obviously did it wrong., maybe you could have asked a little more reasonably.

There are various ways of calculating the mean and the simple average of the maximum and minimum only works if what is being averaged is uniformly distributed.

You are so rude and insulting that you tend to get back what you you give!

And I find I hard to believe that "This is why I believe in a Flat Earth" - for a few miles supposed discrepancy in the size of the earth!

That's quite funny really. Just try finding any measurements on the flat earth to anything like that accuracy.Things such as:
          Height and size of sun and moon, then delve into just how these were measured.
          Distance from the North Pole to the equator, then ask how it was mearsured.
          The circumference of the equator, sorry, I thinkthat's a No No!  :-[ Mustn't ask that.  :-[

If you you want accurate measurements, you won't get them from the Flat Earth - that's see s to be a "No Equation Zone ".

In the early part of this thread I tried to answer honestly and reasonably,
but there is only amount of being kicked in the teeth that anyone can be expected to take.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #151 on: September 17, 2016, 02:37:36 AM »
I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me.


This is supposedly another visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations.
How are the changes accounted for in orbits while Earth spins, along with the pull of the moon orbiting as well?
If the moon has its own gravitational differences on its surface, how are those accounted for?
Surely, if they can be detected, then they would have an effect on something as precise as rocket science.
You claim that "I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me."
From what I have seen, you have been given the shape and size of earth plenty of times.

Summarising, what we call the "geoid", which is mean sea level assumed extended across continents  (by imaginary canals if you like)
 is within a bit over 100 m of a perfect oblate spheroid with polar diameter of 7,898 miles (12,714 km) and equatorial diameter of 7,926 miles (12,756 km).

Any closer than an "oblate spheroid" simply has no relavence to most people, including I guess you and me.
I'll leave that to map-makers and those that work out exact GPS coordinate's.

Though really I am sure that you might get better answers if you gave references for your diagrams.
What The Earth would look like without Water.

It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

And you ask "How are the changes accounted for in orbits while Earth spins, along with the pull of the moon orbiting as well?
If the moon has its own gravitational differences on its surface, how are those accounted for?
Surely, if they can be detected, then they would have an effect on something as precise as rocket science."

Well, we aren't "rocket scientists", so I suggest you ask one of them.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #152 on: September 17, 2016, 04:20:28 AM »
I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me.
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The shape of the Earth is almost sphere, with 14 miles bigger radius at equator than at poles.
Equator is circle, except few mountains on it, much smaller than those 14 miles.
Circumference of equator is 24 900 miles.

Circumference of Tropic of Capricorn is just a tiny bit bigger than circumference of Tropic of Cancer,
which makes some people say that "Earth is pear shaped".
But that is not real pear. That is just a figure of speech.
(A tiny bit bigger in lower part.)

Earth is spinning at speed of one rotation per 24 hours.
It makes look like Sun, Moon, every star, asteroid, commet and everything else is
travelling over the sky at constant speed of 15 degrees per hour.
(Except clouds, they are in the atmosphere that rotates together, as part of the Earth.)
Due to size of Earth, tangential speed of ground on equator is 1036 miles per hour,
which is 463 meters per second. On higher latitudes that speed is lower.

If you are somewhere in wilderness, you can use watch and Sun to determine directions of North, South, East and West.
If you are somewhere on boat, you can use sextant to measure angles of Sun (or known stars at night) to calculate your position precisely.
Latitude is easy, but for longitude you need precise clock (they call it "chronometer").

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BTW: See the images on Earth and its water.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #153 on: September 17, 2016, 10:18:36 AM »


It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

This link says otherwise. So my question still stands. How does it affect orbits?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/22/earth_without_water_nope.html

This is not a matter of mathematical errors, it is about measuring a huge and slightly irregular physical object.
You cannot calculate mathematically the dimensions of the earth, you have to measure it!

Oh really? Okay! When I measure Earth, it's flat.

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onebigmonkey

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #154 on: September 17, 2016, 10:32:06 AM »


It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

This link says otherwise. So my question still stands. How does it affect orbits?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/22/earth_without_water_nope.html

That image os if the Earth's geoid. If you'd read the article properly you'd have seen this:

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The actual graphic is hugely exaggerated on purpose, making it easier to see the Earth’s lumpy gravity field.

So you'd know that isn't what Earth looks like.

That kind of gravitational variation is well known on the moon - it causes spaceships to crash if they don't compensate their orbits from time to time.

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This is not a matter of mathematical errors, it is about measuring a huge and slightly irregular physical object.
You cannot calculate mathematically the dimensions of the earth, you have to measure it!

Oh really? Okay! When I measure Earth, it's flat.
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That's because you aren't measuring it properly. On purpose.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #155 on: September 17, 2016, 11:45:38 AM »


"That image os if the Earth's geoid. If you'd read the article properly you'd have seen..."

"That kind of gravitational variation is well known on the moon - it causes spaceships to crash if they don't compensate their orbits from time to time."

"So you'd know that isn't what Earth looks like."

"That's because you aren't measuring it properly. On purpose."

Tell that to Rabinoz! He thinks that photo is what Earth looks like without water!
I have been arguing that it indeed shows gravity differences, and wondering how it is corrected for in Earths "orbits".
Maybe if you had bothered to read the thread instead of posting just to be paid by NASA, you would have realized.
Exactly how am I supposed to measure something like Earth improperly?

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #156 on: September 17, 2016, 12:03:36 PM »
I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me.

All I receive are insults and incoherent descriptions of a world obviously not universally accepted.
Must I restate my questions again, mind you, if you don't have time to answer them... don't!

Not only do you act like I have received a consistent answer, but, also seem aggravated that I continue asking.
Earth to my every day eye is flat, I cannot go to "outer" space or see a curve through daily activities.
Only through external sources does the idea of the globe manifest.



This is supposedly another visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations.
How are the changes accounted for in orbits while Earth spins, along with the pull of the moon orbiting as well?
If the moon has its own gravitational differences on its surface, how are those accounted for?
Surely, if they can be detected, then they would have an effect on something as precise as rocket science.

Everybody here is giving you consistantly the same answers.    So asking the same question is not going to get you different answers.

Nobody is hiding anything.  Everything that matters is taken into account.   

The fact is if you cannot understand things that 12 year old children can understand then as sure as hell you are not going to understand the kind of advanced physics that you will need to understand satellite orbits.

We crawl before we can walk and walk before we can run.   You know nothing.  You are at the baby stage totally refusing to learn even the most basic steps to become educated.   

You started with the shape of the Earth and refused to be educated.  You refused to learn we know the shape of the Earth by measurement     Instead like some irritating spoilt brat you keep baiting everybody here while most people are doing their best to be patient with you.

You began all the insults and people here are sick to death of your refusal to learn and know it all attitude when quite clearly you know sweet fuck all.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #157 on: September 17, 2016, 03:36:04 PM »
"Everybody here is giving you consistantly the same answers."

Entirely not true. Btw you mis-spelled consistent.
Actually some people still think Earth is a perfect sphere!
Some people think its pear shaped, or egg shaped, or just a blob of undulating mass!
You say the answers are consistent, reality says otherwise...

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onebigmonkey

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #158 on: September 17, 2016, 03:38:30 PM »
Maybe if you had bothered to read the thread instead of posting just to be paid by NASA, you would have realized.

Told you already, no-one is paying me, least of all NASA. You got some beef with NASA, take it up with them.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #159 on: September 17, 2016, 06:13:31 PM »
"Everybody here is giving you consistantly the same answers."

Entirely not true.
Actually some people still think Earth is a perfect sphere!
Please tell me who is claiming that the "Earth is a perfect sphere"? And in any case, the earth is very close to being a "perfect sphere".

The second post in this thread explained that fairly well.
Difference between equatorial and polar diameters is 0.35%.
With error of 0.35% you can use approximation from "almost-circle" to "circle".

Draw ellipse 7.898 inches high and 7.926 inches wide. Would you be able to see the deformation of 0.028 inches?
The thickness of the line you draw is 0.7 milimeters, which is roughly 0.028 inches.

You could google this for yourself:

"The mean radius of Earth is 3,959 miles (6,371 kilometers).
However, Earth is not quite a sphere.
The planet's rotation causes it to bulge at the equator.
Earth's equatorial diameter is 7,926 miles (12,756 km),
but from pole to pole, the diameter is 7,898 miles (12,714 km)
 — a difference of only 28 miles (42 km)."

So, equator is 14 miles farther from the center of the earth than poles.

Quote from: N30
Some people think its pear shaped,
That has been explained to you as carefully as I am able in:
So the earth is not exactly an ellipsoid (an oblate spheroid), but is close enough to one for most purposes.

The comment that it is "slightly pear-shaped" comes from the fact that South of the Equator the earth is minutely bigger than North of the Equator, though still within this −106 to +85 m of the perfect mathematical ellipsoid.

Quote from: N30
or egg shaped,
The only one that I can find who suggested "egg shaped" was YOU in:
Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.
So please will YOU explain to us why YOU would claim that! Besides you are grammatically incorrect with you "an pear shaped"!

Quote from: N30
or just a blob of undulating mass!
And I can find nowhere that even hints at "blob of undulating mass"!

Quote from: N30
You say the answers are consistent, reality says otherwise...

No, reality says you have been told quite consistent answers that YOU have chosen to twist and misinterpret.


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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #160 on: September 17, 2016, 07:02:41 PM »
This is the second post in the thread, rabinoz, do not lie!

And the actual difference is what?  It's a worry.

Rabinoz is also whom I was referring to when I spoke of an undulating mass! He believed Earth looked like this!



Though really I am sure that you might get better answers if you gave references for your diagrams.
What The Earth would look like without Water.

It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

He didn't even read the link he posted, it says this is NOT what Earth looks like without water!

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SpJunk

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #161 on: September 17, 2016, 08:13:14 PM »
This is the second post in the thread, rabinoz, do not lie!

And the actual difference is what?  It's a worry.

Rabinoz is also whom I was referring to when I spoke of an undulating mass! He believed Earth looked like this!



Though really I am sure that you might get better answers if you gave references for your diagrams.
What The Earth would look like without Water.

It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

He didn't even read the link he posted, it says this is NOT what Earth looks like without water!

He did read the link. That is why he gave it to you.

He gave you the link with the image you introduced in the thread,
and with the text that says:
"An animated picture in the form of GIF image and also video (shown in this article)
has been shared widely online in the last few days and went viral. The weird, lumpy,
potato-shaped Earth is said to be showing how the planet would look like without water.
The GIF image of Earth is pretty cool, but what is claimed is not a fact."

It is obvious that he was hoping you will find the sentence that I bolded in my quote.

The words "what Earth looks like without water" are the headline of the article,
and it shows that your "magnetic fluctuation" was wrong description of the picture.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2016, 08:19:44 PM by SpJunk »
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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #162 on: September 17, 2016, 08:55:34 PM »

It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword your question.

This link says otherwise. So my question still stands. How does it affect orbits?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/22/earth_without_water_nope.html

Oh really? Okay! When I measure Earth, it's flat.
I said
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It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.
That is quite true, but you claim "This link says otherwise"! On what basis?

The link YOU posted says nothing about "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", and the link I posted says nothing about "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations" so I don't know what you are raving on about!

The words "What The Earth would look like without Water" were not my words, they were just the title I gave the reference.

As I said before, go consult some specialist in orbital calculations.

But really, how is the deviation of the geoid from a perfect ellipsoid be a bit over 100 m going to have any great effect on orbits 100s of kilometres in altitude.

The fine details of that sort of calculation are of no concern to me, go work it out for yourself!

YOU claim "When I measure Earth, it's flat." Please detail how you came to that conclusion! Because it's flat out WRONG!

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #163 on: September 18, 2016, 12:31:45 AM »
This is the second post in the thread, rabinoz, do not lie!

And the actual difference is what?  It's a worry.

Rabinoz is also whom I was referring to when I spoke of an undulating mass! He believed Earth looked like this!

Though really I am sure that you might get better answers if you gave references for your diagrams.
What The Earth would look like without Water.

It has nothing to do with "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations", so would you like to reword you question.

He didn't even read the link he posted, it says this is NOT what Earth looks like without water!

Yes, "it says this is NOT what Earth looks like without water!"

The actual words I said were:
"Though really I am sure that you might get better answers if you gave references for your diagrams.
What The Earth would look like without Water."

I did not lie and I did not say that picture is "What The Earth would look like without Water" the What The Earth would look like without Water is just the TITLE I gave the link!
GET THE MESSAGE!

YOU claimed that it was a "visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations" - remember!

If you like to twist what people say to mean what you want, go right ahead. If you want information, stop trying your best to put everyone down

If you would LOOK at the scale on that image,
it is showing the deviation from the perfect oblate spheroid and the range on that scale is only -100 m to + 100 m.
The shape is showing the deviations massive magnified. If they were not magnified at all, you simply would not see them.

So stop claiming that: "Rabinoz is also whom I was referring to when I spoke of an undulating mass! He believed Earth looked like this!"

Now, who is lying! I did not ever say that I "believed Earth looked like this". I know full well what that image represents, and if you actually looked at it, so would you.


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onebigmonkey

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #164 on: September 18, 2016, 12:58:26 AM »
It isn't even showing what the Earth looks like, just one of its properties:

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the animated 3D model of rotating globe actually depicts the Earth’s Geoid -- which is a way of describing Earth’s gravitational field

Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #165 on: September 18, 2016, 12:37:09 PM »
"Everybody here is giving you consistantly the same answers."

Entirely not true. Btw you mis-spelled consistent.
Actually some people still think Earth is a perfect sphere!
Some people think its pear shaped, or egg shaped, or just a blob of undulating mass!
You say the answers are consistent, reality says otherwise...

Reality says you are being told the same thing in pages and pages of assistance which you are totally ignoring.

The shape of the earth has been determined by measurement.   The earth is approximately spherical and that is all you need to know.    You are not going to find the world is flat by quibbling over the exact shape of the earth when by measurement it was shown to be approximately spherical 300 years ago.


Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #166 on: September 18, 2016, 09:42:40 PM »
it is flat....

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #167 on: September 18, 2016, 10:36:38 PM »
it is flat....

It is approximately flat on short distances.
On long distances it is not.

Between two verticals that are one nautical mile apart there is tilt of one arcminute.
Between two verticals that are 60 nautical miles apart there is tilt of one degree.
Curvature is measured long time ago, and again, and again...
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #168 on: September 18, 2016, 11:48:54 PM »
it is flat....

It is approximately flat on short distances.
On long distances it is not.

Between two verticals that are one nautical mile apart there is tilt of one arcminute.
Between two verticals that are 60 nautical miles apart there is tilt of one degree.
Curvature is measured long time ago, and again, and again...

we dont live on a globe you know?

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #169 on: September 19, 2016, 12:09:28 AM »
it is flat....

It is approximately flat on short distances.
On long distances it is not.

Between two verticals that are one nautical mile apart there is tilt of one arcminute.
Between two verticals that are 60 nautical miles apart there is tilt of one degree.
Curvature is measured long time ago, and again, and again...

we dont live on a globe you know?
Explain measured distances and path of sun.

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rabinoz

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #170 on: September 19, 2016, 03:30:42 AM »
we dont live on a globe you know?

Well, no we don't know and you have given us no reason to think that we don't live on a massive globe.

Haven't you got the message yet? Calling yourself a "Flat Earth Scientist" and spouting unsubstantiated words means nothing.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #171 on: September 19, 2016, 03:41:08 AM »
It isn't even showing what the Earth looks like, just one of its properties:

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the animated 3D model of rotating globe actually depicts the Earth’s Geoid -- which is a way of describing Earth’s gravitational field

You believe in the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo program.

This automatically contradicts everything the flat earth model stands for. Why are you here?
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #172 on: September 19, 2016, 05:58:39 AM »
N30 you're talking about receiving nothing but insults and the same answers over and again.  I just wanted to point out that twice on this thread I've patiently and politely attempted to clarify or add to the explanations being given you.

Your response?

"I am not a physicist or mathematician..."

"Again, no expert but I'm guessing..."

Highlighting the couple of places where I actually admitted to not knowing everything (something I never see flat-earth people doing) and using it against me by treating it as an invalidation of everything I was saying.

Better would have been to ask questions on anything that wasn't clear, or if you think I am wrong, perhaps tell me why.  And maybe return some of the good faith I try to keep in all my posts here.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #173 on: September 19, 2016, 09:42:59 AM »
It isn't even showing what the Earth looks like, just one of its properties:

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the animated 3D model of rotating globe actually depicts the Earth’s Geoid -- which is a way of describing Earth’s gravitational field

You believe in the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo program.

This automatically contradicts everything the flat earth model stands for. Why are you here?

Because I can be, and because sometimes it isn't enough just to roll your eyes and aim your head at the nearest wall.
Facts won't do what I want them to.

We went from a round Earth to a round Moon: http://onebigmonkey.com/apollo/apollo.html

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #174 on: September 19, 2016, 02:23:28 PM »
The earth is approximately spherical and that is all you need to know.    You are not going to find the world is flat by quibbling over the exact shape of the earth when by measurement it was shown to be approximately spherical 300 years ago.

It is approximately flat on short distances.

"...reason to think that we don't live on a massive globe."

Haven't you got the message yet?

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #175 on: September 19, 2016, 02:25:20 PM »
And?
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #176 on: September 19, 2016, 02:28:01 PM »
it is flat....

It is approximately flat on short distances.
On long distances it is not.

Between two verticals that are one nautical mile apart there is tilt of one arcminute.
Between two verticals that are 60 nautical miles apart there is tilt of one degree.
Curvature is measured long time ago, and again, and again...

we dont live on a globe you know?
Explain measured distances and path of sun.

the sun moves in a complex path..... and also the distances of stuff has nothing to do with the shape of it tard.......

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #177 on: September 19, 2016, 02:32:18 PM »
The sun appearing to move from east to west is a complex path?

You aren't very bright are you?
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #178 on: September 19, 2016, 02:33:51 PM »
The sun appearing to move from east to west is a complex path?

You aren't very bright are you?

if its not a complex path how else would it work on the flat earth WHICH WE DO IN FACT LIVE ON NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS ARE

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #179 on: September 19, 2016, 02:37:32 PM »
The sun appearing to move from east to west is a complex path?

You aren't very bright are you?

if its not a complex path how else would it work on the flat earth WHICH WE DO IN FACT LIVE ON NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PERSONAL BELIEFS ARE
Can you name any object that doesn't appear to become smaller as it moves further away?
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