Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #120 on: September 12, 2016, 12:25:10 PM »
Satellites have small thrusters on them that allow them to perform orbit station-keeping.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #121 on: September 12, 2016, 01:16:44 PM »
The speeding up and slowing down balance out so the body's average speed won't change over time unless it meets some other resistance.

Space is not a perfect vacuum. There are small particles in the near vacuum. As these particles strike the satellite, it decelerates slowly."

Its starting to sound like satellites would require constant thrust and navigation, not unlike a normal plane.

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #122 on: September 12, 2016, 02:11:05 PM »
The longest operating satellite still being used for communication is an amateur one which was launched in 1974 so it is not exactly hard to keep them moving around up there.   

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2016, 02:50:26 PM »

Its starting to sound like satellites would require constant thrust and navigation, not unlike a normal plane.

Not exactly constant thrust. Remember, the forces exerted upon the satellite by these tiny molecules is next to nothing. Most large satellites have thrusters attached to correct any alterations in the trajectory.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2016, 02:40:08 PM »
I am talking less about the molecules, and more about the "gravity" fluctuation issues "orbiting" presents.

Agree that Earth has "bumps" on it; The varying altitudes across the "globe" create unstable "gravitational pulls".
Melding that with Earths' "constant spinning" creates variables not addressed by current "orbiting" explanations.

Nearing Earth in an "orbit" would require navigational correction, as would distance away from it.
Except for in the case of a perfect circle, there can be no "perfect orbit".
Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.

Well, now globular theorists claim that orbits are ellipsoidal, but again, that is impossible.
At the very least, one would have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth.
Keep in mind, until the "oblate spheroid" model was implemented, perfectly circular "orbits" were accepted as truth.
Enter in the atmosphere issue; The drag of even a slight atmosphere necessitates more counteractive thrust.

Unless the satellite is far enough into space where the atmosphere cannot reach it.
Proportionately, the amount of "gravity" available in such areas would not hold a satellite in "orbit".

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"Satellites are, to some degree, "mysterious" objects. They travel in space, which feels like an exotic place because most of us have never been there. They are so far away that we cannot see them."

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2016, 02:58:44 PM »
Circular orbits are possible as well as elliptical. Circles are ellipses by the way.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2016, 10:33:30 PM »

Nearing Earth in an "orbit" would require navigational correction, as would distance away from it.
Except for in the case of a perfect circle, there can be no "perfect orbit".
Rubbish! The orbits of the moon and all of the planets are not "perfect circles", but are closer to elliptical, so what? Kepler's Laws covers that.

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Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.
Stop being at total time-wasting ignoramus!
You have been told numerous times that this "pear shaped egg thingy" is less than 200 m from a perfect oblate spheroid.
And even that on that oblate spheroid "Distances from points on the surface to the center range from 6,353 km to 6,384 km", a whole 29 km in over 6,300 km - big deal!

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Well, now globular theorists claim that orbits are ellipsoidal, but again, that is impossible.
At the very least, one would have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth.
Again, total garbage! Whyever would one  "have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth"?
No great explanation needed .As long as the perigee is not in too dense atmosphere, no problem.

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Keep in mind, until the "oblate spheroid" model was implemented, perfectly circular "orbits" were accepted as truth.
Pure guesswork on your part! The ellipticity of the earth has been know since Newton's time. He calculated the ellipticity and was not that far out.
That was around 1700, long beforeany artificial satellites were dreamed of!

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Enter in the atmosphere issue; The drag of even a slight atmosphere necessitates more counteractive thrust.
Atmospheric drag will gradually bring the satellite, that's why they are normally kept well above 200 km.

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Unless the satellite is far enough into space where the atmosphere cannot reach it.
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The atmosphere doesn't suddenly cut out. At "100 kilometers the air density is about 1/2200000 the density on the surface" and falls off rapidly past there.

Proportionately, the amount of "gravity" available in such areas would not hold a satellite in "orbit".
Again, purely unfounded rubbish! Gravitation does not suddenly cut off, it falls off gradually as 1/(distance squared).
The moon is a satellite of earth and much further than the normal high earth orbit satellites.

The trouble with you is that you don't learn anything from what is told you. You are just a nit-picker trying all the time to find the slightest fault with any answers.

Of course, you are the one making all the stupid goofs!

Look, learn about things before you start to ridicule them. You just make yourself look foolish the way you are going.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2016, 12:11:10 AM »
I am talking less about the molecules, and more about the "gravity" fluctuation issues "orbiting" presents.

Agree that Earth has "bumps" on it; The varying altitudes across the "globe" create unstable "gravitational pulls".
Melding that with Earths' "constant spinning" creates variables not addressed by current "orbiting" explanations.

Nearing Earth in an "orbit" would require navigational correction, as would distance away from it.
Except for in the case of a perfect circle, there can be no "perfect orbit".
Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.

Well, now globular theorists claim that orbits are ellipsoidal, but again, that is impossible.
At the very least, one would have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth.
Keep in mind, until the "oblate spheroid" model was implemented, perfectly circular "orbits" were accepted as truth.
Enter in the atmosphere issue; The drag of even a slight atmosphere necessitates more counteractive thrust.

Unless the satellite is far enough into space where the atmosphere cannot reach it.
Proportionately, the amount of "gravity" available in such areas would not hold a satellite in "orbit".

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"Satellites are, to some degree, "mysterious" objects. They travel in space, which feels like an exotic place because most of us have never been there. They are so far away that we cannot see them."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question378.htm




IMPOSSIBLE??? NEED ENERGY???
What are you talking about???
Think before you talk.

At point A speed is lower and height starts decreasing.
Speed starts increasing because Angular Momentum Conservation Law "requires higher speed on lower distance".
At point B distance is smaller and speed higher, so centrifugal force pulls away while
speed decreases because of, again, Angular Momentum Conservation Law (speed times radius equals constant).

Orbiting object is oscillating between distances Ra and Rp,
its speed starts increasing at point A and decreasing at point B.

If Ra = Rp then speed remains constant and we have circular orbit.

Have you ever rotated small rock or other thing on rope?
Your hand is moving in ellipses, and rock periodically changes speed.
But rock is losing speed because of energy loss at air drag,
and your hand has to add more energy to compensate.
In orbit is pretty high vacuuum. Nothing to drag, except few molecules.

Other thing you get wrong is:
Earth doesn't have to be perfect sphere to have center of mass.
Doesn't have to be sphere at all.
But in reality it is because of gravity caused by size / mass,
except 14 miles high "equatorial bulge" caused by centrifugal force.

Ra and Rp are measured from center of mass of Earth to center of mass of orbiting object.
Not from surface to surface.

For example, geostationary satellites are at 22 300 miles above the equator,
and the very thinnest parts of atmosphere reaches up to 300 miles.
Most of the atmosphere is still within 10 miles from the surface.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2016, 01:46:42 AM »

Actually I am interested on what you base your claims? Gut feeling? Even when all of us don't get advanced physics it would be good to see some equations, laws, numbers, calculations etc. Right now its only words, speed is greater, gravity is greater, objects collide, if gravity was strong enough, it is impossible, etc. It doesn't really tell us if things should happen this way or not. And comparing gravity to speed (gravity is greater than speed, speed is greater than gravity) just doesn't make sense. Its like saying that speed of rabbit is greater than 1000kg rock.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2016, 04:56:31 AM »

Nearing Earth in an "orbit" would require navigational correction, as would distance away from it.

Why is this a problem?

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Except for in the case of a perfect circle, there can be no "perfect orbit".

Please explain why. Look up 'geostationary orbits'.

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Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.

Well, now globular theorists claim that orbits are ellipsoidal, but again, that is impossible.

Why is it impossible?

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At the very least, one would have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth.
Keep in mind, until the "oblate spheroid" model was implemented, perfectly circular "orbits" were accepted as truth.

These are not mutually exclusive things. Elliptic orbits are a thing, circular orbits are a thing. The existence of one does not preclude the existence of the other.

There was no 'implementation' of an oblate spheroid model. The Earth has long been known to bulge slightly, I was taught it at school a long time ago. It's only conspiracy theorists latching on to a catch phrase that has given it a meaning way beyond its intent.

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Enter in the atmosphere issue; The drag of even a slight atmosphere necessitates more counteractive thrust.

Which they can do, thanks to having thrusters. Do some seaching for satellites (and even space stations) that have fallen back to Earth.

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Unless the satellite is far enough into space where the atmosphere cannot reach it.
Proportionately, the amount of "gravity" available in such areas would not hold a satellite in "orbit".

Satellites are positioned in exactly the right place to allow them to be in orbit. QED. And yes, we can see them.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #130 on: September 14, 2016, 07:43:43 AM »
I am talking less about the molecules, and more about the "gravity" fluctuation issues "orbiting" presents.

Agree that Earth has "bumps" on it; The varying altitudes across the "globe" create unstable "gravitational pulls".
Melding that with Earths' "constant spinning" creates variables not addressed by current "orbiting" explanations.

Nearing Earth in an "orbit" would require navigational correction, as would distance away from it.
Except for in the case of a perfect circle, there can be no "perfect orbit".
Only, we all know Earth is an pear shaped egg thingy.

Well, now globular theorists claim that orbits are ellipsoidal, but again, that is impossible.
At the very least, one would have to explain why the pull of Earth would not crash them, when nearest Earth.
Keep in mind, until the "oblate spheroid" model was implemented, perfectly circular "orbits" were accepted as truth.
Enter in the atmosphere issue; The drag of even a slight atmosphere necessitates more counteractive thrust.

Unless the satellite is far enough into space where the atmosphere cannot reach it.
Proportionately, the amount of "gravity" available in such areas would not hold a satellite in "orbit".

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"Satellites are, to some degree, "mysterious" objects. They travel in space, which feels like an exotic place because most of us have never been there. They are so far away that we cannot see them."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/question378.htm



There's a lot wrong here and I suspect you may be trolling. But in case you're not, you could have a look at this: Orbital Mechanics.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #131 on: September 14, 2016, 07:59:50 AM »

What gives a satellite more speed after being slowed down? So, now gravity can speed things up?

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Of course gravity can speed things up.  Specifically, here on earth, it speeds things up by about 22 mph every second.  For practical everyday purposes that's the DEFINITION of gravity.

You agree that things fall faster the longer they fall, right?

So keeping that in mind, let's look at your elliptical orbits.



Since I mentioned falling, I will add an interesting description of orbiting that I once read--orbiting can be thought of as falling towards the earth...and always missing.

Your satellite at point A is like a ball that's been thrown high (very high) into the air.  Think of point A as "up" (really any point on the ellipse is "up" relative to earth but that one is helpfully labeled.)  You can see its curved path right there in the picture.  Just like a ball, it comes to a point where the force of gravity has countered its upward momentum and begins to pull it back "down".  Again, it's there in the picture--after hitting point A the satellite is "falling" "down" towards earth--but missing it!

Like any falling object it is accelerating as it approaches earth.  At some point it falls right PAST the earth.  Now this is kind of a mental leap, but turn the diagram around and now look at point B as "up".  The satellite, due to its momentum, can now be thought of as being "thrown" up towards B, and again like any thrown object it follows a curved path, hitting a maximum height (B in this case) as gravity slows it down and then causes it to fall back again towards earth.

So you ask, why doesn't the gravity pull the satellite crashing down to earth when it is much closer at point B.  This is simply because it is going much faster (has more momentum) now than it was out on the large end of the ellipse.  There is much more gravity here at point B than there was at point A, but the object is moving fast enough that instead of getting pulled to earth, it manages to once again miss and fall past the earth, whereupon the whole process continues.  I.e. the satellite is now being "thrown" the other way towards A.

Sorry that's a lot of text but for me at least this concept of falling and missing has in the past helped me understand orbit a lot better.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #132 on: September 14, 2016, 06:13:17 PM »
Was that supposed to explain the fluctuations in gravity from altitude changes...? I.E. Mt. Everest, Mariana Trench?
Also, how about the fact that those places are always "spinning" making their location hard to determine?
Really, whats hard to explain, is why you think an ellipse has a "large side"... They are always symmetrical.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #133 on: September 14, 2016, 06:18:10 PM »
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Really, whats hard to explain, is why you think an ellipse has a "large side"... They are always symmetrical.

YOU were the one who sent the picture(s) initialy.
You already know that side with point A is longer than side with point B.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2016, 07:08:12 PM »
The shape itself is symmetrical, only, not in relation to Earth.
Entering Earths vicinity, at terminal velocity, and exiting without altering its trajectory or speed is impossible.
So the satellite must have significant propulsion systems, beyond what we are led to believe.
This, in addition to the previously stated gravitational fluctuation issues, brings satellites into question.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #135 on: September 14, 2016, 09:45:25 PM »
The shape itself is symmetrical, only, not in relation to Earth.
Entering Earths vicinity, at terminal velocity, and exiting without altering its trajectory or speed is impossible.
Who said anything about the satellite being at "terminal velocity". The satellite is travelling at the appropriate velocity for that part of the orbit.
When in an elliptical orbit the velocity is changing continuously.
At the lowest point (perigee) in the orbit the velocity is a maximum and above that for a stable circular orbit at that altitude, so the satellite starts climbing to a higher altitude.
The increasing altitude slows the satellite gradually until at the highest point (apogee) the velocity has reduced to a minimum, and is too low to mantain an orbit at that altitude and the process repeats.

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So the satellite must have significant propulsion systems, beyond what we are led to believe.
This, in addition to the previously stated gravitational fluctuation issues, brings satellites into question.
No, provided there is no drag no propulsion system is needed to maintain a stable elliptical orbit. Newton's Laws sort all that out.

Atmospheric drag does have important uses.
For example, when it came to "de-orbitting" the Space Shuttle, very little counter thrust was needed. Just enough to put it into an elliptical orbit with the perigee in dense enough atmosphere, at roughly 90 km altitude. All that was needed was a reduction in the Shuttle velocity of about 90 m/s.

And satellites don't need your understanding to orbit! They do that quite well with or without your approval.

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #136 on: September 14, 2016, 10:25:51 PM »
Kepler's 1at law: planets orbit in elliptical orbits with the sun as one of the foci.

This is the same for satellites and earth.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #137 on: September 14, 2016, 11:07:10 PM »
The shape itself is symmetrical, only, not in relation to Earth.
Entering Earths vicinity, at terminal velocity, and exiting without altering its trajectory or speed is impossible.
So the satellite must have significant propulsion systems, beyond what we are led to believe.
This, in addition to the previously stated gravitational fluctuation issues, brings satellites into question.

1.  As pointed out the craft is not travelling at terminal velocity. Terminal velocity is something that happens when a sky diver does not go any faster when moving thru air.

2. The craft does alter its strajectory etc.  So you are in agreement on that part of the point you are making.

3. The craft does not need significant propulsion systems.  Whatever changes happen on one side of the orbit are balanced out by changes on the other side of the orbit.   All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape.  Therefore,  unless something is fundamentally wrong with the design of the orbit so it passes thru the atmosphere or strikes the earth it can continue to do that for a very long time without consuming large amounts of fuel.    One of the amateur satellites has been up there since 1974 and was still working as of 2015.  The amateurs know how fast that thing is travelling and unless keplers laws are wrong velocity means you know the altitude of the satellite.


Honestly we are talking about some very very simple concepts here.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #138 on: September 15, 2016, 06:20:09 AM »
The shape itself is symmetrical, only, not in relation to Earth.
Entering Earths vicinity, at terminal velocity, and exiting without altering its trajectory or speed is impossible.
So the satellite must have significant propulsion systems, beyond what we are led to believe.
This, in addition to the previously stated gravitational fluctuation issues, brings satellites into question.
You still fail to present anything but words. Any previous experiments or any equations with numbers to back up your claim that it is impossible?
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #139 on: September 15, 2016, 09:32:18 PM »
The shape itself is symmetrical, only, not in relation to Earth.
Entering Earths vicinity, at terminal velocity, and exiting without altering its trajectory or speed is impossible.
So the satellite must have significant propulsion systems, beyond what we are led to believe.
This, in addition to the previously stated gravitational fluctuation issues, brings satellites into question.

Terminal velocity happens in atmosphere, on air.
(There is also terminal velocity in other fluids,
but here on earth in atmosphere we don't have them.)

Orbitting satellites don't enter atmosphere.
Therefore nothing signifficant is slowing them down by friction.
Therefore they don't need "massive" propulsion systems, only small, correctional ones.
And not all of them.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #140 on: September 16, 2016, 11:04:33 AM »
Was that supposed to explain the fluctuations in gravity from altitude changes...? I.E. Mt. Everest, Mariana Trench?



Earth "spins", so calculating where a satellite will pass near Earth in a constantly changing "orbit" is impossible.

"All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape."

Passing over the Andes vs. off coast of California is the difference of crashing or missing the pull of Earth entirely.

No, provided there is no drag no propulsion system is needed to maintain a stable elliptical orbit. Newton's Laws sort all that out.

"Space" is not a perfect vacuum, it constantly encounters drag, however slight, it exists, and must be acknowledged.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #141 on: September 16, 2016, 11:18:58 AM »
Was that supposed to explain the fluctuations in gravity from altitude changes...? I.E. Mt. Everest, Mariana Trench?



Earth "spins", so calculating where a satellite will pass near Earth in a constantly changing "orbit" is impossible.

"All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape."

Passing over the Andes vs. off coast of California is the difference of crashing or missing the pull of Earth entirely.

No, provided there is no drag no propulsion system is needed to maintain a stable elliptical orbit. Newton's Laws sort all that out.

"Space" is not a perfect vacuum, it constantly encounters drag, however slight, it exists, and must be acknowledged.

I am not a physicist or mathematician, but if I'm reading you correctly you're suggesting that the differing gravitation over different points on the planet should be enough to make the difference between the satellite crashing or flying off forever?

Again, no expert but I'm guessing the diagram you posted is not exactly to scale--I can see where it would seem to imply the gravitation over the Andes is many times stronger than that over the coast of California.  However we're talking about miniscule differences that require extraordinarily sophisticated equipment to detect--people on top of the Andes are not being crushed under their own weight while Californians "moon-bounce" all over the beach.

The effects of these variations on the satellite's orbit would have to be damn near infinitesimal--I believe it would take an extremely long time for it to have any significant impact on the orbital path.

Same goes for the "drag" created by particles in space--in theory it is a consideration but we'd be talking about eons of this drag to make any important difference.
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #142 on: September 16, 2016, 11:55:37 AM »
"All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape."

Passing over the Andes vs. off coast of California is the difference of crashing or missing the pull of Earth entirely.

You have demonstrated your ignorance so many times I just cannot be bothered with you any more.


Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #143 on: September 16, 2016, 01:31:02 PM »
N30 is by far the most ignorant of all the flat earthers that I have encountered on this site.  And that's saying something.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #144 on: September 16, 2016, 01:45:34 PM »
"I am not a physicist or mathematician..."

"Again, no expert but I'm guessing..."

Thanks for sharing! There are good points brought up by your post, though!

"The effects of these variations on the satellite's orbit would have to be damn near infinitesimal..."

One would think so, but Aliveandkicking knows otherwise.

"The craft does alter its strajectory etc."

"The craft does not need significant propulsion systems. Whatever changes happen on one side of the orbit are balanced out by changes on the other side of the orbit. All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape. "

If the "orbit" keeps changing shape, and a perfect balance is required, then "orbiting" becomes impossible.

You have demonstrated your ignorance so many times I just cannot be bothered with you any more.

Are you implying that I am asking the same questions? Because we all know what that means according to you!

It is perverted to imply I am constantly asking the same questions.   

Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #145 on: September 16, 2016, 02:29:21 PM »
An object orbits it's parent body in a n ellipsee with the parent body in a foci of the ellipse.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #146 on: September 16, 2016, 05:05:59 PM »
Where did you get that information? According to you, it is most likely rubbish.

Well, most published research is wrong, so why would this one be any different.

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #147 on: September 16, 2016, 05:56:10 PM »
Was that supposed to explain the fluctuations in gravity from altitude changes...? I.E. Mt. Everest, Mariana Trench?



Earth "spins", so calculating where a satellite will pass near Earth in a constantly changing "orbit" is impossible.

"All that happens is the orbit keeps changing shape."

Passing over the Andes vs. off coast of California is the difference of crashing or missing the pull of Earth entirely.

No, provided there is no drag no propulsion system is needed to maintain a stable elliptical orbit. Newton's Laws sort all that out.

"Space" is not a perfect vacuum, it constantly encounters drag, however slight, it exists, and must be acknowledged.

Have you thought about how much is 50 mGal?
And at which altitude you have those fluctuations from your picture?

The best modern gravimeters can measure as low as nanoGal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravimeter
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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #148 on: September 16, 2016, 10:46:30 PM »

You have demonstrated your ignorance so many times I just cannot be bothered with you any more.

Are you implying that I am asking the same questions?
I am telling you that you glorify in being ignorant.  You refuse to learn.   You just keep on transmitting the same bullshit you began with.

The normal thing to do is learn where you are mistaken and then reframe your questions instead of just repeating the same bullshit over and over again from different directions like people have the time and patience to deal with your endless stupidity when obviously they do not.

You cannot even understand what I am telling you.   

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Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« Reply #149 on: September 17, 2016, 12:37:18 AM »
I merely wish to know the shape of Earth and how it effects the physical objects around me.

All I receive are insults and incoherent descriptions of a world obviously not universally accepted.
Must I restate my questions again, mind you, if you don't have time to answer them... don't!

Not only do you act like I have received a consistent answer, but, also seem aggravated that I continue asking.
Earth to my every day eye is flat, I cannot go to "outer" space or see a curve through daily activities.
Only through external sources does the idea of the globe manifest.



This is supposedly another visualization of Earths magnetic fluctuations.
How are the changes accounted for in orbits while Earth spins, along with the pull of the moon orbiting as well?
If the moon has its own gravitational differences on its surface, how are those accounted for?
Surely, if they can be detected, then they would have an effect on something as precise as rocket science.