Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?

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Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« on: August 19, 2016, 02:26:19 PM »
Round earth measurements show LA->Hong Kong is about the same distance as Santiago->Sydney (11,725km & 11,385 respectively). As Round Earthers would expect, flights between these cities have about the same duration (14h 50min & 14h 15min respectively) as seen here on Google:



According to Flat Earth models, Santiago->Chile is more than double the distance of LA->Hong Kong since the "southern hemisphere" is closer to the outer edge of the Earth as seen here:



How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 03:46:10 PM »
Round earth measurements show LA->Hong Kong is about the same distance as Santiago->Sydney (11,725km & 11,385 respectively). As Round Earthers would expect, flights between these cities have about the same duration (14h 50min & 14h 15min respectively) as seen here on Google:


According to Flat Earth models, Santiago->Chile is more than double the distance of LA->Hong Kong since the "southern hemisphere" is closer to the outer edge of the Earth as seen here:


How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Either
          Completely ignore it and hope it goes away or
          Be honest and admit that the usual FE map is completely wrong and join the, so far, fruitless search for an accurate one.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2016, 04:28:12 PM »
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2016, 08:02:16 PM »
Either
          Completely ignore it and hope it goes away or
          Be honest and admit that the usual FE map is completely wrong and join the, so far, fruitless search for an accurate one.

Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth. 

I guess jroa felt the need to avoid both those options, while managing to conform to both....

Of course, he fails to accept the fact that NO FLAT EARTH map is accurate or capable of explaining all these irregularities.......

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2016, 09:41:29 PM »
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.

I has a post requesting for an accurate flat earth map that shows the "true".

Thus far it was fruitless.

Please give us a flat earth map that is accurate so we can see if it adds up to the "truth".

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 10:30:54 PM »
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.

So what do all these Flat Earth aircraft captains and ocean going ships navigators go to get a "completely accurate layout of the flat Earth".

::) Rand McNally I suppose!  ::)

It is vitally important for these people to know the distances involved for fueling their craft.

Maybe those maps based on the Globe aren't all that bad, at least the ships and aircraft seem get their fuel loads correct!

At least till some idiot puts in the wrong fuel gauge for the plane or confuses pounds and kilograms.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2016, 07:46:09 PM »
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth

Here, in a nutshell, is the primary problem that FE needs to solve.  Paper is flat.  The earth you're trying to map is flat (so you say).  Therefore, it should be trivially easy to produce a flat map of a flat earth on flat paper.  The fact that we keep hearing over and over "well, it's not really accurate..." says a lot.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2016, 06:48:35 AM »
Here, in a nutshell, is the primary problem that FE needs to solve.  Paper is flat.  The earth you're trying to map is flat (so you say).  Therefore, it should be trivially easy to produce a flat map of a flat earth on flat paper.  The fact that we keep hearing over and over "well, it's not really accurate..." says a lot.

FE was already disproven countless times, but the FEers try to wave that away by yelling conspiracy. But not even the Grand Conspiracy Theory can save them here, since flight times and maps are widely available and can be checked by anyone willing to do so.

Flights take as long as you'd expect them to take if they fly the routes you see on our current maps. Our current maps are therefor accurate.
Only thing round in FE is its circular logic.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2016, 08:11:54 AM »
Bump.
Only thing round in FE is its circular logic.

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 02:40:22 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???   

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2016, 02:44:19 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???

Point out the error then. And fix it.
Only thing round in FE is its circular logic.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 02:48:50 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???

Point out the error then. And fix it.

Rhetorical trick revealed!!!!
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2016, 01:06:40 AM »
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 01:12:44 AM by İntikam »
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2016, 01:24:52 AM »
Fixed it :)

There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers retards. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2016, 02:59:54 PM »
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.

Jet-streams work/blow all time in one direction. So, what about the back trip?
« Last Edit: September 08, 2016, 03:02:48 PM by Globetrotter »
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2016, 11:36:16 PM »
There are jet-streams on near of the edge of the earth specially near on Australia. This causes the distance feels like shorter. On the other hand the map you showed is not corrected by most of flathers. Because still we haven't any government to support our workings. Almost all flathers are amateurs and volunteers. So it is hard to create a map better then you showed that can answer all questions.

Jet-streams work/blow all time in one direction. So, what about the back trip?

Other way flying time increases and Decreasing conflict .
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2016, 03:58:35 AM »
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

read point 43 44

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8wEfqnhcc7o/Vb-KKc3DyTI/AAAAAAAAP-U/Lkl-jp_58Zs/s400/antarcz%2B-%2BCopy.gif

In short, they claim that the shortest path from Santiago, Chile to Sydney, Australia is over the Antarctica. The map supporting this claim shows Antarctica seen straight from top; of course, seen this way we see no curvature of the Antarctica. When you consider the curvature of Antarctica, you will realize that the distance equals or almost equals. Beside of this, aviation uses paths of constant wind, so-called "wnd tunnels" all over the globe. By the way, I'm not even sure if they do use or not the path shown here.

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« Last Edit: September 16, 2016, 04:12:14 AM by Globetrotter »
"If you insist it is a spinning globe, then why are you here?" - Simple. To counter the misinformation you are spreading to uneducated, and gullible people. It is the duty of every thinking person to oppose those who would spread lies.

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2016, 08:08:03 PM »
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

read point 43 44

Some of those routes are simply chosen because they go over the pole, but there is simply no demand for say Cape Town to/from the Falkland Islands! Though, a RAF Hercules has flown direct from Perth to the Falkland Islands.

Other airlines between South Africa and South America use different cities and as far as I know there is a New Zealand Airlines flight from Aukland to Buenos Aires.

Sure most offlights do not exist:
Why? simply because QANTAS chooses to fly from Sydney and not Hobart or Perth, because those cities are too small to provide enough traffic.
And they fly to Santiago (not Buenos Aires) and Johannesburg (and not Cape Town).
Why, better ask QANTAS that one, but probably because those places are a little closer on the Globe!

These are the relevant flights. Bothof these are in the east-to-west direction, the corresponding west-to-east flights are usually at least an hour shorter.
But QANTAS definitely flies these as non-stop direct regular flights!

FlightRadar24 - Flight QF28 Santiago to Sydney
   

FlightRadar24 - Flight QF63 Sydney to Johannesburg
The shortest routes do not even go very close to Antarctica, let alone the South Pole.

Apart there being no commercial requirement, a big reason for avoiding Antarctic flights is simply the safety aspects:
1) It is extremely cold and the freezing of fuel can be (has been) a problem and
2) Flights over Antarctica are a long distance from any rescue centres, especially during winter. Any flights must carry a specified number of Polar Survival Suits.
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Atlantean Conspiracy, 200 proofs earth is not spinning #44)
If Earth was a ball, and Antarctica was too cold to fly over, the only logical way to fly from Sydney to Santiago would be a straight shot over the Pacific staying in the Southern hemisphere the entire way. Re-fueling could be done in New Zealand or other Southern hemisphere destinations along the way if absolutely necessary. In actual fact, however, Santiago-Sydney flights go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. Such ridiculously wayward detours make no sense on the globe but make perfect sense and form nearly straight lines when shown on a flat Earth map.

Eric Dubay claims that "In actual fact, however, Santiago-Sydney flights go into the Northern hemisphere making stop-overs at LAX and other North American airports before continuing back down to the Southern hemisphere. "
In this he is completely wrong.
I hesitate to claim someone is lying, but the contrary evidence is so easily available that he has to be intentionally trying to deceive us.
It is possible that when he wrote that flights were different, but there have been direct flights from Australia to/from both South America and South Africa for a very long time. Earlier some South African flights left from Perth.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2016, 09:21:47 PM »
According to this map, only a fool would fly near the north pole... Everything is close to "Antarctica"!


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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2016, 09:27:54 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2016, 06:36:59 AM »
According to this map, only a fool would fly near the north pole... Everything is close to "Antarctica"!



Yes, according to this map, everything looks warped, yet, you must imagine curvature which is not seen when viewed straight from top. And the curvature can significantly change the distance visible on a map.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2016, 07:09:46 AM by Globetrotter »
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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2016, 07:16:42 AM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?

Don't expect an answer. This is regular Flats' behavior, when they can't find explanations.
"If you insist it is a spinning globe, then why are you here?" - Simple. To counter the misinformation you are spreading to uneducated, and gullible people. It is the duty of every thinking person to oppose those who would spread lies.

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2016, 07:20:06 AM »
Nobody has claimed that to be the "official" or completely accurate layout of the flat Earth.

yes they have
the majority of flat earthers follow the same theory WITH this map "UN logo, hidden in plain sight" etc etc

this forum is ridiculed by many many many flat earthers, the ones who stick to one story and debate it..
not the likes of you with NO answers, NO evidence, NOTHING but words that you're repeating that someone else once told you



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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2016, 06:03:24 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2016, 07:34:58 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.  The question was can you show a map that would explain the flight times.

Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2016, 07:38:30 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.
That is because his map is wrong. 

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Re: Why do these flights have the same duration according to FE?
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2016, 08:38:12 PM »
How should a Flat Earther counter this argument?
Your map is wrong. 

Next silly question???
Can you show us a flat earth map that would explain these flight times?
Australia is closer to South America and the North Pole is wider.
The North Pole isn't on his map.
That is because his map is wrong.
You once again avoided the question.  His map doesn't show the North Pole because it is a representation of the Southern Hemisphere.  Can you show a flat earth map that would explain the fight times?