Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides

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Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« on: August 18, 2016, 08:50:45 AM »
Hello everyone. I'm new here and just had a few questions. After reading the "FAQ" section and a quite a few posts on the forum I hadn't seen these questions asked or answered. I apologize in advance if I'm being redundant. 

Last week I observed the Perseid Meteor shower from my backyard. It's my understanding the what we're seeing in the night sky is Earth traveling through the debris trail of a comet. This phenomenon happens every year and can be predicted. How is this possible under a flat earth theory?

My second questions is about the tides. I have also witnessed this phenomenon with my own eyes. I understand it to be the gravity of the moon pulling on earth causing the tides. If that's not the case, how does this work under a flat earth theory?

Thanks for your time, I hope to see some great answers.

Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 01:41:09 PM »
Trust me, you will see some great answers 😇

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 02:14:13 PM »
Shalom and welcome to the trenches.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2016, 05:37:40 AM »
The Perseid meteor shower provides one of the most striking and beautiful proofs that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775758#msg1775758

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775914#msg1775914

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776185#msg1776185

Is this relevant? "Meteor Showers and their Parent Comets" By Peter Jenniskens


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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 09:48:26 AM »
The Perseid meteor shower provides one of the most striking and beautiful proofs that the Earth does not revolve around the Sun.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775758#msg1775758

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775914#msg1775914

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776185#msg1776185

You forgot the comet was/is moving in it's own orbit that progress along with the orbit of the earth. You seem to have the belief that the comet debris field is static and not moving with the rest of the system. This belief has lead you down a false path.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2016, 11:00:21 AM »
Speaking of comet debris hitting planets (including Earth),
in my previous country, in my hometown, there was observatory.

We were watching parts of Shoemaker-Levy commet hitting Jupiter in 1994.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2016, 11:17:19 AM »
You forgot the comet was/is moving in it's own orbit that progress along with the orbit of the earth. You seem to have the belief that the comet debris field is static and not moving with the rest of the system.

Your statement is meaningless.

"There are certain meteor showers that can be seen regularly on the same date each year. They are thought to be the result of the Earth, moving along its orbital path around the Sun, crossing through that point in space where a comet once intersected our orbit path. The leftover debris hitting our atmosphere is the cause of these annual meteor showers that come and go like clockwork. One of the strongest and most well known is the Perseid Meteor which peaks each year every August 11th and 12th.

As long as the Earth goes around the Sun 360 degrees equinox to equinox, and we keep
our current system of leap corrections we should continue to see this meteor shower
peak every August 11th and 12th for centuries to come. This is because our current
calendar system of time loses less than 1 day every 3200 years relative to the actual
motion of the equinox within the calendar. In other words the equinox remains fixed
within the calendar moving only slightly for differences between the calendar days (365)
and the Earth’s actual rotations in a tropical year (365.2422) and always quickly adjusted
by leap days every four years.

BUT WAIT, lunisolar precession theory says the Earth does not go around the Sun 360
degrees every equinox. It says it comes up 50 arc seconds short of 360 degrees every
tropical year and this is why we see the fixed stars precess by 50 arc seconds per average
tropical year. But if the Earth does not go around the sun 360 degrees then the Perseid
meteor shower should reflect precession and slip through the calendar 1 day in every 72
years, meaning it should have moved almost six days exactly since the Gregorian
Calendar Reform in 1582. We know the fixed stars “outside the solar system” have
indeed appeared to move by this much in that time period due to precession but why
hasn’t the Perseid reference point “within the solar system” changed by this same amount of precession? If precession is caused by local sources wobbling the Earth then anything and everything outside the Earth should appear to move at the same rate, excluding proper motion."



https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775758#msg1775758

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775914#msg1775914

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776185#msg1776185

Ample proofs that the Perseid meteor shower occurred each and every year in the month of August, peaking around August 11th or 12th.



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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2016, 04:26:42 PM »
Speaking of comet debris hitting planets (including Earth),
in my previous country, in my hometown, there was observatory.

We were watching parts of Shoemaker-Levy commet hitting Jupiter in 1994.
WOW! I envy you!
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2016, 05:11:19 AM »
You forgot the comet was/is moving in it's own orbit that progress along with the orbit of the earth. You seem to have the belief that the comet debris field is static and not moving with the rest of the system.

Your statement is meaningless.

"There are certain meteor showers that can be seen regularly on the same date each year. They are thought to be the result of the Earth, moving along its orbital path around the Sun, crossing through that point in space where a comet once intersected our orbit path. The leftover debris hitting our atmosphere is the cause of these annual meteor showers that come and go like clockwork. One of the strongest and most well known is the Perseid Meteor which peaks each year every August 11th and 12th.

As long as the Earth goes around the Sun 360 degrees equinox to equinox, and we keep
our current system of leap corrections we should continue to see this meteor shower
peak every August 11th and 12th for centuries to come. This is because our current
calendar system of time loses less than 1 day every 3200 years relative to the actual
motion of the equinox within the calendar. In other words the equinox remains fixed
within the calendar moving only slightly for differences between the calendar days (365)
and the Earth’s actual rotations in a tropical year (365.2422) and always quickly adjusted
by leap days every four years.

BUT WAIT, lunisolar precession theory says the Earth does not go around the Sun 360
degrees every equinox. It says it comes up 50 arc seconds short of 360 degrees every
tropical year and this is why we see the fixed stars precess by 50 arc seconds per average
tropical year. But if the Earth does not go around the sun 360 degrees then the Perseid
meteor shower should reflect precession and slip through the calendar 1 day in every 72
years, meaning it should have moved almost six days exactly since the Gregorian
Calendar Reform in 1582. We know the fixed stars “outside the solar system” have
indeed appeared to move by this much in that time period due to precession but why
hasn’t the Perseid reference point “within the solar system” changed by this same amount of precession? If precession is caused by local sources wobbling the Earth then anything and everything outside the Earth should appear to move at the same rate, excluding proper motion."



https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775758#msg1775758

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1775914#msg1775914

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776185#msg1776185

Ample proofs that the Perseid meteor shower occurred each and every year in the month of August, peaking around August 11th or 12th.

Dismissing the facts, then repeating the same fallacy over again doesn't make make your fantasy true, nor make the facts go away.

Nor does quoting yourself give validity to your theory. It is and always will be full of holes
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2016, 06:04:24 AM »
In your case, there are no facts: just the same old trolling at work.


The official chronology of history tells us that the Perseid meteor shower has occurred on the same date, each year, at least for the past 2000 years.

But that could not be true in the heliocentrical context: due to the axial precession of the Earth, there should have been a SIX DAY DIFFERENCE, as compared to what is recorded today, in the occurrence of the Perseid meteor shower during the Renaissance.


The Escorial Palace, at the foot of Mount Abantos in the Sierra de Guadarrama, was built by King Philip II of Spain to commemorate the victory over King Henry II of France at the Battle of St Quentin, which took place on the feast of St Lawrence, 10 August 1557.

"On August 10 1566, the feast-day of Saint Lawrence, at the end of the pilgrimage from Hondschoote to Steenvoorde, the chapel of the Sint-Laurensklooster was defaced by a crowd who invaded the building. It has been suggested that the rioters connected the saint especially with Philip II, whose monastery palace of the Escorial near Madrid was dedicated to Lawrence, and was just nearing completion in 1566"


One of the earliest descriptions of an August meteor display was briefly mentioned in a book written by Pieter van Musschenbroeck in 1762. In volume two of his book, Introduction a la Philosophie naturelle, he noted that after the heat of summer, falling stars are seen during August, at least in Belgium and the cities of Leiden and Utrecht in the Netherlands.


Citing Quetelet, 'a superstition has 'for ages' existed among the Catholics of some parts of England and Germany that the burning tears of St. Lawrence are seen in the sky on the night of the 10th of August; this day being the anniversary of his martyrdom.'

http://www.qsl.net/w8wn/hscw/prop/perseids.html


He also searched historical sources for evidence that August meteors had been seen in previous years around the same date. He found seven cases, from 1029 in Egypt to 1833 in England.

The earliest discoverers of the Perseids were anonymous, and their feat lay buried in an English farmer's almanac. Both Quetelet and Herrick chanced upon it. Bravely, Herrick acknowledged, "The annual occurrence of a meteoric display about the 10th of August appears to have been recognized for a very great length of time." Thomas Furley Forster of London had recorded it in 1827 in his Pocket Encyclopaedia of Natural Phenomena. "According to Mr. T. Forster," Herrick reported in October 1839, citing Quetelet, "a superstition has 'for ages' existed among the Catholics of some parts of England and Germany that the burning tears of St. Lawrence are seen in the sky on the night of the 10th of August; this day being the anniversary of his martyrdom."

"The peasants of Franconia and Saxony have believed for ages past that St. Lawrence weeps tears of fire which fall from the sky every year on his fete (the 10th of August)," Herrick wrote, quoting a Brussels newspaper.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/celestial-objects-to-watch/the-discovery-of-the-perseid-meteors/



http://www.academia.edu/1334605/_Bronzino_s_Martyrdom_of_St._Lawrence._Counter_Reformation_Polemic_and_Mannerist_Counter_Aesthetics._RES_46_Polemical_Objects_2004_99-121

These possibilities will be explored in relation to one work, often seen as a colossal apotheosis of Mannerist art in all its supposedly effete virtuosity and courtly sycophancy: Bronzino's Martyrdom of St. Lawrence in the basilica of San Lorenzo in Florence. The massive fresco was commissioned from Agnolo Bronzino by Duke Cosimo de Medici in 1565 and unveiled on August 10, 1569, the feast day of the Medici family saint.



ONLY in the geocentrical context, do these historical recordings make any sense at all.


And there is another aspect to this matter, which again proves the RE wrong.


The rate of the axial precession HAS BEEN ACCELERATING AT LEAST FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS: the Newcomb constant.



"Calculated precession rates over the last 100 years show increasing precession rates which produce a declining precession cycle period.

The precession rate goes up each year. The Astronomical Almanac gives a rate of 50.2564 (arc seconds) for the year 1900. In that year, the top astronomer in America, Simon Newcomb, used a constant of .000222 as the amount the precession rate will increase per year. The actual constant increase since that time is closer to .000330 (about 50 % higher than expected) and it is increasing exponentially (faster each year)."


HOW or WHY does the Perseid meteor shower keep up so precisely with the exponentially increasing rate of precession?


Moreover, the acceleration of the annual precession defies newtonian mechanics.

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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2016, 09:05:25 AM »
Because you ignore the facts, and keep repeating crap that ignores the science and math.

BTW I am NOT at work, I have been retired since June 2013. And when I did work I used math EVERYDAY. I didn't pull if off the internet and vomit it back as though I understood what it meant as you do.

The debris trail from the comet is moving at the same rate as the orbit of earth keeping pace with procession. That and you mixing and matching the different types of "day"  "year" to make your case. Subjects that have been covered on these boards for a long, long time.

But you keep believing in your fantasy if it makes you feel better. But leave the actual science to those that understand it and how it works.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2016, 10:37:51 AM »
The debris trail from the comet is moving at the same rate as the orbit of earth keeping pace with procession.

This thread is turning into a RE procession.

In the heliocentrical setting, the Earth is moving along its orbital path around the Sun, crossing through that point in space where a comet once intersected our orbit path.

The Perseid meteor shower does not keep up with the Earth's axial precession however.

50 arcseconds/year = 1 day/72 years

72 x 6 = 432 years

2016 - 432 = 1584

Therefore, due to the axial precession of the Earth, there should have been a SIX DAY DIFFERENCE, as compared to what is recorded today, in the occurrence of the Perseid meteor shower during the Renaissance.

My previous message includes copious references that place the date of the Perseid meteor shower on August 10 going back hundreds of years.

As if this wasn't enough, we also have the acceleration of the rate of precession phenomenon: Perseid meteor shower could not possibly keep up with this, not to mention basic axial precession.


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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2016, 04:05:20 PM »
Prove it doesn't keep up with the Earth's procession. You keep saying, but the fact fact prove it DOES and the proof is each Aug 11-12.

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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 01:10:22 PM »
Sigh, well thanks for the input and the friendly welcomes. I got the answers I expected. This site has got to be a joke. An awesome way of reverse trolling. I appreciate the entertainment and I'm sure I'll be checking back every now and again.

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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 01:21:27 PM »
Sigh, well thanks for the input and the friendly welcomes. I got the answers I expected. This site has got to be a joke. An awesome way of reverse trolling. I appreciate the entertainment and I'm sure I'll be checking back every now and again.

The site is not a joke. The people who believe the Earth is flat, are dead serious.

That fact is hilarious, though.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2016, 02:50:15 PM »
Sigh, well thanks for the input and the friendly welcomes. I got the answers I expected. This site has got to be a joke. An awesome way of reverse trolling. I appreciate the entertainment and I'm sure I'll be checking back every now and again.

The site is not a joke. The people who believe the Earth is flat, are dead serious.

That fact is hilarious, though.

Agreed, but it remains that most here, are pranksters. Very few believe. The ones that do... scary. More scary that they wonder around with normal people.
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2016, 03:12:59 PM »
Have you included conversion from Julian to Gregorian calendar in your dates?
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2016, 11:01:01 PM »
You cannot invoke the Gregorian calendar reform.

Gauss' Easter formula is the most accurate astronomical dating tool at our disposal.

A brief summary of the dating of the First Council of Nicaea and the startling conclusions following the fact that the Gregorian calendar reform never occurred in 1582 AD.


Let us turn to the canonical mediaeval ecclesial tractate - Matthew Vlastar’s Collection of Rules Devised by Holy Fathers, or The Alphabet Syntagma. This rather voluminous book represents the rendition of the rules formulated by the Ecclesial and local Councils of the Orthodox Church.

Matthew Vlastar is considered to have been a Holy Hierarch from Thessalonica, and written his tractate in the XIV century. Today’s copies are of a much later date, of course. A large part of Vlastar’s Collection of Rules Devised by Holy Fathers contains the rules for celebrating Easter. Among other things, it says the following:


“The Easter Rules makes the two following restrictions: it should not be celebrated together with the Judaists, and it can only be celebrated after the spring equinox. Two more had to be added later, namely: celebrate after the first full moon after the equinox, but not any day – it should be celebrated on the first Sunday after the equinox. All of these restrictions, except for the last one, are still valid (in times of Matthew Vlastar – the XIV century – Auth.), although nowadays we often celebrate on the Sunday that comes later. Namely, we always count two days after the Lawful Easter (that is, the Passover, or the full moon – Auth.) and end up with the subsequent Sunday. This didn’t happen out of ignorance or lack of skill on the part of the Elders, but due to lunar motion”

Let us emphasize that the quoted Collection of Rules Devised by Holy Fathers is a canonical mediaeval clerical volume, which gives it all the more authority, since we know that up until the XVII century, the Orthodox Church was very meticulous about the immutability of canonical literature and kept the texts exactly the way they were; with any alteration a complicated and widely discussed issue that would not have passed unnoticed.

So, by approximately 1330 AD, when Vlastar wrote his account, the last condition of Easter was violated: if the first Sunday happened to be within two days after the full moon, the celebration of Easter was postponed until the next weekend. This change was necessary because of the difference between the real full moon and the one computed in the Easter Book. The error, of which Vlastar was aware, is twenty-four hours in 304 years.

Therefore the Easter Book must have been written around AD 722 (722 = 1330 - 2 x 304). Had Vlastar known of the Easter Book’s 325 AD canonization, he would have noticed the three-day gap that had accumulated between the dates of the computed and the real full moon in more than a thousand years. So he either was unaware of the Easter Book or knew the correct date when it was written, which could not be near 325 AD.

G. Nosovsky: So, why the astronomical context of the Paschalia contradicts Scaliger’s dating (alleged 325 AD) of the Nicaean Council where the Paschalia was canonized?

This contradiction can easily be seen from the roughest of calculations.

1) The difference between the Paschalian full moons and the real ones grows at the rate of one day in 300 years.

2) A two-day difference had accumulated by the time of Vlastar, which is roughly dated 1330 AD.

3) Ergo, the Paschalia was compiled somewhere around 730 AD, since

1330 – (300 x 2) = 730.

It is understood that the Paschalia could only be canonized by the Council sometime later. But this fails to correspond to Scaliger’s dating of its canonization as 325 AD in any way at all!

Let us emphasize, that Matthew Vlastar himself, doesn’t see any contradiction here, since he is apparently unaware of the Nicaean Council’s dating as the alleged year 325 AD. A natural hypothesis: this traditional dating was introduced much later than Vlastar’s age. Most probably, it was first calculated in Scaliger’s time.

With the Easter formula derived by C.F. Gauss in 1800, Nosovsky calculated the Julian dates of all spring full moons from the first century AD up to his own time and compared them with the Easter dates obtained from the Easter Book. He reached a surprising conclusion: three of the four conditions imposed by the First Council of Nicaea were violated until 784, whereas Vlastar had noted that “all the restrictions except the last one have been kept firmly until now.” When proposing the year 325, Scaliger had no way of detecting this fault, because in the sixteenth century the full-moon calculations for the distant past couldn’t be performed with precision.

Another reason to doubt the validity of 325 AD is that the Easter dates repeat themselves every 532 years. The last cycle started in 1941, and previous ones were 1409 to 1940, 877 to 1408 and 345 to 876. But a periodic process is similar to drawing a circle—you can choose any starting point. Therefore, it seems peculiar for the council to have met in 325 AD and yet not to have begun the Easter cycle until 345.

Nosovsky thought it more reasonable that the First Council of Nicaea had taken place in 876 or 877 AD, the latter being the starting year of the first Easter cycle after 784 AD, which is when the Easter Book must have been compiled. This conclusion about the date of the First Council of Nicaea agreed with his full-moon calculations, which showed that the real and the computed full moons occurred on the same day only between 700 and 1000 AD. From 1000 on, the real full moons occurred more than twenty-four hours after the computed ones, whereas before 700 the order was reversed. The years 784 and 877 also match the traditional opinion that about a century had passed between the compilation and the subsequent canonization of the Easter Book.

G. Nosovky:

The Council that introduced the Paschalia – according to the modern tradition as well as the mediaeval one, was the Nicaean Council – could not have taken place before 784 AD, since this was the first year when the calendar date for the Christian Easter stopped coinciding with the Passover full moon due to slow astronomical shifts of lunar phases.

The last such coincidence occurred in 784 AD, and after that year, the dates of Easter and Passover drifted apart forever. This means the Nicaean Council could not have possibly canonized the Paschalia in IV AD, when the calendar Easter Sunday would coincide with the Passover eight (!) times – in 316, 319, 323, 343, 347, 367, 374, and 394 AD, and would even precede it by two days five (!) times, which is directly forbidden by the fourth Easter rule, that is, in 306 and 326 (allegedly already a year after the Nicaean Council), as well as the years 346, 350, and 370.

Thus, if we’re to follow the consensual chronological version, we’ll have to consider the first Easter celebrations after the Nicaean Council to blatantly contradict three of the four rules that the Council decreed specifically for this feast! The rules allegedly become broken the very next year after the Council decrees them, yet start to be followed zealously and in full detail five centuries (!) after that.

Let us note that J.J. Scaliger could not have noticed this obvious nonsense during his compilation of the consensual ancient chronology, since computing true full moon dates for the distant past had not been a solved problem in his epoch.

The above mentioned absurdity was noticed much later, when the state of astronomical science became satisfactory for said purpose, but it was too late already, since Scaliger’s version of chronology had already been canonized, rigidified, and baptized “scientific”, with all major corrections forbidden.


Now, the ecclesiastical vernal equinox was set on March 21st because the Church of Alexandria, whose staff were reputed to have astronomical expertise, reckoned that March 21st was the date of the equinox in 325 AD, the year of the First Council of Nicaea.

The Council of Laodicea was a regional synod of approximately thirty clerics from Asia Minor that assembled about 363–364 AD in Laodicea, Phrygia Pacatiana, in the official chronology.

The major concerns of the Council involved regulating the conduct of church members. The Council expressed its decrees in the form of written rules or canons.

However, the most pressing issue, the fact that the calendar Easter Sunday would coincide with the Passover eight (!) times – in 316, 319, 323, 343, 347, 367, 374, and 394 AD, and would even precede it by two days five (!) times, which is directly forbidden by the fourth Easter rule, that is, in 306 and 326 (allegedly already a year after the Nicaean Council), as well as the years 346, 350, and 370 was NOT presented during this alleged Council of Laodicea.


We are told that the motivation for the Gregorian reform was that the Julian calendar assumes that the time between vernal equinoxes is 365.25 days, when in fact it is about 11 minutes less. The accumulated error between these values was about 10 days (starting from the Council of Nicaea) when the reform was made, resulting in the equinox occurring on March 11 and moving steadily earlier in the calendar, also by the 16th century AD the winter solstice fell around December 11.


But, in fact, as we see from the information presented in the preceeding paragraphs, the Council of Nicaea could not have taken place any earlier than the year 876-877 e.n., which means that in the year 1582, the winter solstice would have arrived on December 16, not at all on December 11.

Papal Bull, Gregory XIII, 1582:

Therefore we took care not only that the vernal equinox returns on its former date, of which it has already deviated approximately ten days since the Nicene Council, and so that the fourteenth day of the Paschal moon is given its rightful place, from which it is now distant four days and more, but also that there is founded a methodical and rational system which ensures, in the future, that the equinox and the fourteenth day of the moon do not move from their appropriate positions.


Given the fact that in the year 1582, the winter solstice would have arrived on December 16, not at all on December 11, this discrepancy could not have been missed by T. Brahe, or G. Galilei, or J. Kepler - thus we can understand the fiction at work in the official chronology.

Newton agrees with the date of December 11, 1582 as well; moreover, Britain and the British Empire adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1752 (official chronology); again, more fiction at work: no European country could have possibly adopted the Gregorian calendar reformation in the period 1582-1800, given the absolute fact that the winter solstice must have falled on December 16 in the year 1582 AD, and not at all on December 11 (official chronology).


The conclusions are as follows:

No historical or astronomical proof exists that before 1700 AD any gradual shift in the orientation of Earth's axis of rotation (axial precession) ever took place. The 10 day cumulative error in the Vernal Equinox date since the Council of Nicaea until the year 1582 AD is due just to the reform of the Julian calendar: if we add the axial precession argument, then  the cumulative errors would have added to even more than 10 days, because of the reverse precessional movement. No axial precession means that the Earth did not ever orbit around the Sun, as we have been led to believe. And it means that the entire chronology of the official history has been forged at least after 1750 AD.

In the FE theory, the approximately 50 seconds of arc per year (1 degree/71.6 years) change of longitude of the Pole Star is due to the movement of the Pole Star itself and NOT due to any axial precession of the Earth.


EXPLICIT DATING GIVEN BY MATTHEW VLASTAR



It is indeed amazing that Matthew Vlastar’s Collection of Rules Devised by Holy Fathers – the book that every Paschalia researcher refers to – contains an explicit dating of the time the Easter Book was compiled. It is even more amazing that none of the numerous researchers of Vlastar’s text appeared to have noticed it (?!), despite the fact that the date is given directly after the oft-quoted place of Vlastar’s book, about the rules of calculating the Easter date. Moreover, all quoting stops abruptly immediately before the point where Vlastar gives this explicit date.



What could possibly be the matter? Why don’t modern commentators find themselves capable of quoting the rest of Vlastar’s text? We are of the opinion that they attempt to conceal from the reader the fragments of ancient texts that explode the entire edifice of Scaliger’s chronology. We shall quote this part completely:



Matthew Vlastar:



“There are four rules concerning the Easter. The first two are the apostolic rules, and the other two are known from tradition. The first rule is that the Easter should be celebrated after the spring equinox. The second is that is should not be celebrated together with the Judeans. The third: not just after the equinox, but also after the first full moon following the equinox. And the fourth: not just after the full moon, but the first Sunday following the full moon… The current Paschalia was compiled and given to the church by our fathers in full faith that it does not contradict any of the quoted postulates. (This is the place the quoting usually stops, as we have already mentioned – Auth.). They created it the following way: 19 consecutive years were taken starting with the year 6233 since Genesis (= 725 AD – Auth.) and up until the year 6251 (= 743 AD – Auth.), and the date of the first full moon after the spring equinox was looked up for each one of them. The Paschalia makes it obvious that when the Elders were doing it; the equinox fell on the 21st of March” ([518]).



Thus, the Circle for Moon – the foundation of the Paschalia – was devised according to the observations from the years 725-743 AD; hence, the Paschalia couldn’t possibly have been compiled, let alone canonized, before that.


Moreover, we know that the Perseid meteor shower fell on August 10 in each and every year since 1600, a clear defiance of the supposed axial precession of the Earth.

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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2016, 05:49:23 AM »
You cannot invoke the Gregorian calendar reform.
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I didn't "invoke" anything.
And I didn't talk about any doubt.

If people count days, and claim that some are missing,
change of calendars is one of places where you can search for missing days.

In North Amreica the short month was September 1752.
After 2nd came 14th. 11 dates between were omitted.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2016, 09:04:57 PM »
Speaking of comet debris hitting planets (including Earth),
in my previous country, in my hometown, there was observatory.

We were watching parts of Shoemaker-Levy commet hitting Jupiter in 1994.
That would be magnificent,  I'm sure.

I don't see what the issue is with meteor storms. What specifically is being forwarded as a difficulty?
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2016, 09:33:19 PM »
I don't see what the issue is with meteor storms. What specifically is being forwarded as a difficulty?
The question is: what is the FE explanation for meteor showers repeating year after year within a predictable window?  RE has intersecting orbits to explain them, but the flat earth does not circle the sun, so there seems to be no reason for meteor storms to be tied to a particular time of year.

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2016, 09:40:10 PM »
I don't see what the issue is with meteor storms. What specifically is being forwarded as a difficulty?
The question is: what is the FE explanation for meteor showers repeating year after year within a predictable window?  RE has intersecting orbits to explain them, but the flat earth does not circle the sun, so there seems to be no reason for meteor storms to be tied to a particular time of year.

My answer is much the same. Bits of debris follow a periodic orbit about different celestial objects. The orbit brings some of the particles low enough to earth to be shielded from the inversal accelerator. When this happens the pieces "fall" causing streaks of light in the sky.

The bit about precession seems pretty damning to globularism if that is your explanation.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2016, 02:54:26 AM »
My personal opinion is that meteors are the cause of global warming.  We should make a stand and take care of global warming for once and for all.  I think Trump is going to make a fence, so that is whom I am voting for. 

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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2016, 03:56:18 AM »
My personal opinion is that meteors are the cause of global warming.  We should make a stand and take care of global warming for once and for all.  I think Trump is going to make a fence, so that is whom I am voting for.

If the source of meteors is in Mexico, he would surely stop them.
He just have to make the wall 3000 miles high.
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Re: Perseid Meteor Shower and Tides
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2016, 04:08:16 AM »
My personal opinion is that meteors are the cause of global warming.  We should make a stand and take care of global warming for once and for all.  I think Trump is going to make a fence, so that is whom I am voting for.

Poe's law
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2016, 11:03:45 AM »
My personal opinion is that meteors are the cause of global warming.  We should make a stand and take care of global warming for once and for all.  I think Trump is going to make a fence, so that is whom I am voting for.

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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2016, 11:30:24 AM »
My personal opinion is that meteors are the cause of global warming.  We should make a stand and take care of global warming for once and for all.  I think Trump is going to make a fence, so that is whom I am voting for.

Makes about as much sense as any attempt to explain FET.

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2016, 11:33:26 AM »
oh, i am sorry.  I did not realize i was not allowed to have a personal opinion. 

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2016, 11:36:16 AM »
 Sure you can. Its just little weird that in your opinion meteors are coming from Mexico.
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.