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astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« on: August 11, 2016, 02:29:31 PM »
Note about point 1-3: Every single one does suffice as a 100% flat earth disprove.


1. Startrails
From the north pole, looking straight up, it looks like this


And at the equator like this


On a flat earth, the north star would be visible all the time. Or to go be bit deeper: In theroy, in infinte distance the north star would actually appear to be at ground level. But since earth is not infinite, this cannot be true. Additionally, on the southern hemisphere you can not see the north star at all – impossible, even on a infinite flat earth.

You do not have to rely on those pictures. Travel to those places and capture those images yourselfes.


2. Sunrise and  sunset



Notice: The clouds get illuminated from BELOW. On a flat earth, if the sun would just disappear in infinte distance, clouds could be illuminated from straight ahead but never from below.
It is also a nice picture of a upward-cast shadow [/b.
This would require a sun below the height of the clouds. Same for this video:


Also, if you watch a sunset, you clearly see how the sun sets behind the horizon instead of actually getting smaller and smaller. If the sun was getting smaller and smaller, with a telescope you could bring it back into view - which you cannot.

You do not have to rely on those pictures - go out and check it yourself.


3. Vanishing behind the horizon
Ships and buildings vanish behind the horizon. Look, for example, at this video:
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You do not have to rely on thoes videos. Go out and check it yourself, a telescope helps.
4. GPS
The signal comes from the sky. With "ground-transmitter" / pseudosatellites I could not go onto a 2000m+ high mountain and shield everything but the sky, and still have a GPS reception.
Do not belive me, go out and check it yourself.

This does not directly disprove the flat earth, but as far as I know flat earthers deny the existance of satellites.


5. Size of the sun
On a flat earth with an approaching sun, its size would diffrentiate during the day.

Go out and check it yourself with a camera and suitable filters so it would not overexpose the sun.


6. Gravity
Flat earth argument is, that the world is acclereation with 9.81m/s^2.  But not all over the world the gravity is equally strong. In case of an acclerating plate, this would be impossible.

Go grab a scale and measure the same object at the equator and the northpole! Or at least at somewhere near the equator and near the north pole.

7. Jetstream
I do not see a reason for the corioliseffect on flat earth.


8. Ridiculous overall-model

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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 02:46:30 PM »
Nice... i would like to add something:
1. stars rotate in a different direction in northern and southern hemisphere.
5. On a FE even the speed of sun would differentiate during the day.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 02:57:23 PM »
Well done, you win.

John Davis - get on the phone to Daniel.....Shut the forum down.

SHUT IT DOWN NOW!

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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 05:06:27 PM »
I agree that it proves the earth cannot be flat, but here is something I prepared beforehand (like in all the cooking shows!):

Isn't it wonderful to be able to claim that all contrary evidence was fake, inaccurate or a product of lying conspirators?

I just wish I could, with a clear conscience, be able to argue that way.

But all Flat Earthers seem to use that tactic.

Just claim that we have satellite photos of the globe and the response is "We can let you use that! Satellites are impossible."
 
Then I claim that the measurements of the earth prove it is a globe, and we get "We can let you use that! Surveyors are all Freemasons."

So I try to claim that the six months daylight at the South Pole proves that the FE sun is not correct, and we get "We can let you use that! There is no South Pole!"

Finally, The way objects fall and weigh in a vacuum disproves denpressure, and we get "We can let you use that! You can't make a vacuum."

And so on! I am sure that you can add plenty of your own.
::) It's all so very convenient! ::)
Sorry! All this reminds me again of :
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM »
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?

The fallacy of your logic is the fact that you rely on Heavenly observations to prove your point.

How about the fact that the earth is flat? That water is flat? That the horizon is flat?

Doesn't matter if the Sun and Moon look like they do.

You're assuming The Table is Plate shaped because of the dishes on Top of it.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 06:57:15 PM »
Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?

Easy, the earth is not flying through the sky!
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 09:01:01 PM »
Nice! The one about the clouds being lit from below is a new one for me.
That would truly be impossible on a flat earth as the ground, clouds and sun would always be parallel to eachother, the sun would never be able to light up the clouds from below.
Come on flat earthers, how much proof do you need!?!
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2016, 12:38:52 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on August 11, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
Just claim that we have satellite photos of the globe and the response is "We can let you use that! Satellites are impossible."
 
Then I claim that the measurements of the earth prove it is a globe, and we get "We can let you use that! Surveyors are all Freemasons."

So I try to claim that the six months daylight at the South Pole proves that the FE sun is not correct, and we get "We can let you use that! There is no South Pole!"

I do know their tactics, that's why I chose only examples everyone can observe by themself. No third person free mason needed.


Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?
Well, I did not disprove the earth is bird shaped but I did disprove the earth is flat  ::)


Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
The fallacy of your logic is the fact that you rely on Heavenly observations to prove your point.
Observations are no fallacy. You do not understand the meaning of this term.


Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
How about the fact that the earth is flat? That water is flat? That the horizon is flat?
How is it a fact when I've disproved it just a few posts ago?
The water isn't flat.
The horizon isn't flat.
Since you do not need to prove your points I can refuse them without proving it either   :o

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
Doesn't matter if the Sun and Moon look like they do.
How can it not matter?

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
You're assuming The Table is Plate shaped because of the dishes on Top of it.
That's like the worst metaphor I've ever read.
Feel free to re-read my disprove-post since you did not answer to any of the points I've made.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 05:00:25 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?

The fallacy of your logic is the fact that you rely on Heavenly observations to prove your point.

How about the fact that the earth is flat? That water is flat? That the horizon is flat?

Doesn't matter if the Sun and Moon look like they do.

You're assuming The Table is Plate shaped because of the dishes on Top of it.

Clearly you didn't read or understand anything in the opening post
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 05:35:28 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?

The fallacy of your logic is the fact that you rely on Heavenly observations to prove your point.

How about the fact that the earth is flat? That water is flat? That the horizon is flat?

Doesn't matter if the Sun and Moon look like they do.

You're assuming The Table is Plate shaped because of the dishes on Top of it.

no, YOU'RE assuming that the OP wrote "we're a globe because all other planets are globes"

You either accidentally replied on the wrong thread..
or
simply guessed, without reading, what the OP was going to write

as a side note, you CAN determine a LOT by looking up, people have been doing it for centuries
people did used to make mistakes while looking up (see: religions), but the more we progress, the more we understand, we can very easily test the shape of the globe, the ONLY way to do it IS by looking up!
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2016, 07:58:47 AM »
Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
There are birds in the sky so why isn't the earth Bird shaped?
There are planets in the sky, so why isn't Earth planet-shaped?
Or is it?

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
The fallacy of your logic is the fact that you rely on Heavenly observations to prove your point.
How about the fact that the earth is flat? That water is flat? That the horizon is flat?
"Earth is Flat" is not a fact. "Water is Flat" is not a fact. "Horizon is Flat" is not a fact.
All three appear to be flat until you take into consideration longer distances or altitudes.

For example, select one spot near the end of very long coastline, next to water.
Weight hanging on rope will make rope be precisely vertical.
Horizontal is perpendicular to the rope line.

Select another spot on same coast line, 69 miles away.
New vertical is what rope shows There. Now horizontal is perpendicular to New rope line.

At distance of 69 miles new horizontal is tilted by one degree from old horizontal.
Measured by theodolite.
Google for "History of Geodesy".

Water also appears flat only on shorter distances.

Horizon also looks flat when you are low down.
And it seems to be always at the eye level.
But:
Every navigator will know how to use sextant.
And every navigator will know that they MUST include Apparent Horizon Dip into position calculations
when measuring angular elevation of Sun (at day) or well known star (at night).
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Trigonometry/The_distance_and_dip_of_the_horizon

When eye level is 100 feet above sea, horizon dip is 0.236 degrees.
Error of one degree converts into position error of 60 nautical miles.
So, error of 0.236 degrees will convert into roughly 14 miles.

If you were sailing for 100 miles, 14 miles can be an error of 7.9 degrees.
Older ships were sailing about 5-8 knots (5-8 nautical miles per hour),
and 100 miles is roughly 12 to 20 hours of sailing.
Accumulate this type of error during 8-12 weeks of sail over Atlantic,
and you will end up in Havana instead of Miami.

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
Doesn't matter if the Sun and Moon look like they do.
Doesn't matter to those who want to believe.
But it does to those who want to know, when pure belief is not enough.
Constant angular speed of the Sun from the observer shows it revolves around you, not around North Pole.
Constant angular diameter (apparent size) of the Sun confirms that fact, and shows that percentual change in distance from you to Sun is small.

Ancient Greeks weren't stupid. They were great in geometry.
They didn't care for religious beliefs, just wanted model that will work for real life activities.

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 06:06:40 PM
You're assuming The Table is Plate shaped because of the dishes on Top of it.
So, he is assuming that the Earth is Disc because Moon and Sun are Discs.
In that case you are right for telling him he's wrong.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2016, 11:50:44 AM »
I'm new to this forum. The OP's relatively simple questions deserve answers from FE's in order to validate their claim. Is it likely that any reasonable and logical explanations/answers to the OP's questions would ever be answered or am I being naive?
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2016, 03:44:51 PM »
Hmm... There is something strange with that video of ship vanishing beyond the horizon. For some reason the FLAT EARTH PERSPECTIVE (yes, it is a special one) doesn't work here when you zoom... Really strange.  ::)
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2016, 03:55:16 PM »
well made, but unfortunately, you won't get any logical responses from Flat earthers, because they cannot defend their own theories.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2016, 04:09:38 PM »
While I'm new to the forum, the intellectual dishonesty, question dodging and concept juggling I've read from FE's so far is simply mind boggling. The only conclusion I can draw is that most of them are just trolling and this is an amusing way to spend their free time. There's no other conclusion to draw, for no self respecting human being with any mind capable of logic or reason could ever believe this garbage especially when ALL evidence points to a spherical Earth and zero, none, zilch, calamari points to a flat earth.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2016, 04:24:50 PM »
Quote from: neutrino on August 12, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Hmm... There is something strange with that video of ship vanishing beyond the horizon. For some reason the FLAT EARTH PERSPECTIVE (yes, it is a special one) doesn't work here when you zoom... Really strange.  ::)
If you use DIGITAL zoom, instead of OPTICAL zoom, you will see this. Digital zoom just makes parts of a picture larger to see, but real optical zoom will change the view. As you can see on the video, there is optical zoom at first, and after optical zoom is at maximum, comes digital zoom and we can see a "close-up" of the ship. Try this with a very large telescope without digital zoom.

Also, you can see mirage under the ship, just look carefuly.


Do you see the mirrored image of the ship's hull? there is a mirage, hiding the full view of the hull.



Of course, as the ship gets even more far away, you would need an even larger optical zoom.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2016, 04:46:47 PM »
Back to the Felix B.'s jump video:



This is a nice picture, where you can see "something" glowing and curving up on the edges (concave) when he opened the door of the capsule at the altitude of 39 000 meters.  What is that shiny thing there? The horizon? Why do you see it at "eye level" (camera level)? We already discussed on the other thread, that it curves up, because of the wide angle lense's barrel distortion effect. So it would be straight if it would be in the very center line of the objective.
Could anyone please make some calculations, how tilted should the camera be to "look down" on the earth from this height? Could we see this view on a globe earth?



The clouds lit from below is very interesting! I really like it!
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2016, 05:06:09 PM »
Quote from: kido.resuri on August 12, 2016, 04:46:47 PM
This is a nice picture, where you can see "something" glowing and curving up on the edges (concave) when he opened the door of the capsule at the altitude of 39 000 meters.  What is that shiny thing there? The horizon? Why do you see it at "eye level" (camera level)? We already discussed on the other thread, that it curves up, because of the wide angle lense's barrel distortion effect. So it would be straight if it would be in the very center line of the objective.
Could anyone please make some calculations, how tilted should the camera be to "look down" on the earth from this height? Could we see this view on a globe earth?
I normally love to do math, but optics is not my cup of tea. Sorry.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2016, 05:18:51 PM »
I mean, if on a round earth, the horizon shouldn't be on eye level forever. so we know the altitude here, but what should be the angle of the "look down" to see earth, not space if we open the door of the capsule. I think there is no reason to assume that the capsule door is tilted down toward the ground, so it should stand still hanging under the balloon, near in water-level. so to see earth, we should look down somewhat. sorrry if i'm not clear what i mean.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2016, 05:35:57 PM »
3 and 4 are addressed under classical FET, DET answers the rest.
Rely on more than an argument from exhaustion next time. Why do round earthers rely on such dishonest tactics if your position's so strong?

I'm done with this thread. Goodbye.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2016, 05:38:04 PM »
Quote from: kido.resuri on August 12, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
I mean, if on a round earth, the horizon shouldn't be on eye level forever. so we know the altitude here, but what should be the angle of the "look down" to see earth, not space if we open the door of the capsule. I think there is no reason to assume that the capsule door is tilted down toward the ground, so it should stand still hanging under the balloon, near in water-level. so to see earth, we should look down somewhat. sorrry if i'm not clear what i mean.
I think I get what you mean.
If he was horizontal, he would have to look down 6.33 degrees to see the earth. Illistrated in my ms Paint sketch (note: not to scale)
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2016, 05:39:18 PM »
Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on August 12, 2016, 05:35:57 PM
3 and 4 are addressed under classical FET, DET answers the rest.
Rely on more than an argument from exhaustion next time. Why do round earthers rely on such dishonest tactics if your position's so strong?

I'm done with this thread. Goodbye.
Except none of the explenations make any sense. They further complicate things. If your theory is so solid, why haven't I ever seen you do any math about it? If it is even simpler than a round earth, it should be a piece of cake.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2016, 05:59:24 PM »
Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on August 12, 2016, 05:35:57 PM
3 and 4 are addressed under classical FET, DET answers the rest.
Rely on more than an argument from exhaustion next time. Why do round earthers rely on such dishonest tactics if your position's so strong?

I'm done with this thread. Goodbye.

In other words, you can't provide any answers to any of the questions in the OP so you give up and FE is lies and garbage.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2016, 08:06:51 PM »
Quote from: kido.resuri on August 12, 2016, 04:24:50 PM
Quote from: neutrino on August 12, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Hmm... There is something strange with that video of ship vanishing beyond the horizon. For some reason the FLAT EARTH PERSPECTIVE (yes, it is a special one) doesn't work here when you zoom... Really strange.  ::)
If you use DIGITAL zoom, instead of OPTICAL zoom, you will see this. Digital zoom just makes parts of a picture larger to see, but real optical zoom will change the view. As you can see on the video, there is optical zoom at first, and after optical zoom is at maximum, comes digital zoom and we can see a "close-up" of the ship. Try this with a very large telescope without digital zoom.

Also, you can see mirage under the ship, just look carefuly.


Do you see the mirrored image of the ship's hull? there is a mirage, hiding the full view of the hull.



Of course, as the ship gets even more far away, you would need an even larger optical zoom.

Yes.
Your red marked area shows mirage.
And that mirage, if we push water down,
would show the superstructure doubled, up and down like Rorschach.
Right now, with water still where it is, even the lower portion
of the Rorschach is behind the water.

Where is the rest of the ship's image?
(Yes, we DO KNOW where is the rest of the ship itself physically.)
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2016, 12:13:11 AM »
Quote from: SpJunk on August 12, 2016, 08:06:51 PM
Where is the rest of the ship's image?
(Yes, we DO KNOW where is the rest of the ship itself physically.)
As i mentioned before, this image was taken with digital zoom, after the optical zoom reached to it's maximum.
Optical zoom can bring back objects hiding due to perpective. Just look at the opening images as the partial ship image appears from a tiny point. Beyond the optical zoom's ability, comes digital zoom, which just simply makes that part of the image larger to see, but does not apply any optical corrections on what you see.
So, if there was no mirage, you would be able to see part of the hull, but some part would be still hidden, because it is far far away.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2016, 12:25:38 AM »
Quote from: rabinoz on August 11, 2016, 05:06:27 PM
Finally, The way objects fall and weigh in a vacuum disproves denpressure, and we get "We can let you use that! You can't make a vacuum."

Is it not true that increasing pressure under water disproves denpressure?
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2016, 02:29:13 AM »
Good morning

First of all: Please leave this thread to discuss the opening post and the flat earth theory. I'm neither interested in DET nor denpressure. Discuss those in their own threads if you like to do so. 

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I'm new to this forum. The OP's relatively simple questions deserve answers from FE's in order to validate their claim. Is it likely that any reasonable and logical explanations/answers to the OP's questions would ever be answered or am I being naive?

You're being naive. I've particulary chosen points 1-3 because you can check them by yourself and there is no explanation for them on flat earth.

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If you use DIGITAL zoom, instead of OPTICAL zoom, you will see this. Digital zoom just makes parts of a picture larger to see, but real optical zoom will change the view. As you can see on the video, there is optical zoom at first, and after optical zoom is at maximum, comes digital zoom and we can see a "close-up" of the ship. Try this with a very large telescope without digital zoom.
This is wrong. If you have enough resolution on your sensor, whether you're using digital or optical zoom does not make any diffrent in this aspect. And as I said - if you do not belive me or this video, go check it yourself. If I'd buy a telescope and made a video, you'd say nasa paid me. So go check it yourself, don't ask others to do so.

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As i mentioned before, this image was taken with digital zoom, after the optical zoom reached to it's maximum.
Optical zoom can bring back objects hiding due to perpective. Just look at the opening images as the partial ship image appears from a tiny point. Beyond the optical zoom's ability, comes digital zoom, which just simply makes that part of the image larger to see, but does not apply any optical corrections on what you see.
So, if there was no mirage, you would be able to see part of the hull, but some part would be still hidden, because it is far far away.
Wrong again. If your sensor has, e.g. 12 megapixel, you can still zoom in with full hd resolution, since fullhd requiers just 2 megapixel. On a 12 Megapixel image you can still zoom in digitally 6x without losing information.* This will not randomly create any mirage effect.
But hey- go check it yourself :)
Also, the mirage effect in the video is negligible because it's so small and just affects a tiny fraction of the whole image. It cannot explain, why about 3/4 of the boat or behind the horizon.
 
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Why do you see it at "eye level" (camera level)?
This is among the stupidest arguments I've ever heard. You CANNOT judge from a picture wheter there is a horizon on eyelevel or not. You can just tilt a camera up orddownwards and the horizon appears to be on eye level....
Another reason why this is so incredibly stupid: On a flat earth, you still had to look downwards to see the horizon if you'd climb a mountain, since the atmosphere isn't clear and you are not able to see to "the end of the world".

Anyway: If you imagine, the earth was a football with 20cm in diameter, Felix Baumgartner would have only gone 0.6mm from its surface. It's not that much, isn't it?



*This is obviously not as simple and easy as I've explained it. Since normally the whole sensor (eg 12 mpixel) catches light and compresses the information to a full hd (2mpixel) image, the image quality obviously is better with 12mp than with digital zoom since theres more information for the camera to use. But if the camera had a perfect sensor and perfect optics, you could zoom in until every pixel of the sensor equals one pixel of the full hd video. Just take this as a side note :)
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neutrino

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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2016, 02:28:33 PM »
Quote from: kido.resuri on August 13, 2016, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: SpJunk on August 12, 2016, 08:06:51 PM
Where is the rest of the ship's image?
(Yes, we DO KNOW where is the rest of the ship itself physically.)
As i mentioned before, this image was taken with digital zoom, after the optical zoom reached to it's maximum.
Optical zoom can bring back objects hiding due to perpective. Just look at the opening images as the partial ship image appears from a tiny point. Beyond the optical zoom's ability, comes digital zoom, which just simply makes that part of the image larger to see, but does not apply any optical corrections on what you see.
So, if there was no mirage, you would be able to see part of the hull, but some part would be still hidden, because it is far far away.
Why during optical zoom, the ship doesn't go up? It is constantly sunken during all the magnifications.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2016, 10:03:12 AM »
"Please leave this thread to discuss the opening post and the flat earth theory. I'm neither interested in DET nor denpressure. Discuss those in their own threads if you like to do so."
Each of those terms describe Flat Earth Theory. If you only want to discuss the uniplanar, UA model, then say so, rather than claiming to have debunked a Flat Earth.
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Re: astounding easy to disprove flat earth
« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2016, 10:05:08 AM »
Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on August 14, 2016, 10:03:12 AM
"Please leave this thread to discuss the opening post and the flat earth theory. I'm neither interested in DET nor denpressure. Discuss those in their own threads if you like to do so."
Each of those terms describe Flat Earth Theory. If you only want to discuss the uniplanar, UA model, then say so, rather than claiming to have debunked a Flat Earth.

All of the questions in the OP remain unanswered.
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Can you imagine the new (Flat Earth) First Officer on a QANTAS flight QFA27 heading from Sydney to Santiago, saying "We cannot fly that route, at 25,400 km, it's almost twice the maximum range of the 747-400"
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