Sunset on flat earth

Hi,

Wondering why people belive in flat earth, I thought I open a thread about the easiest method to disprove flat earth.

So, for a lot of observable stuff, flat earthers have found their own way of explaining them. Yet for Sunset/rise I have never found an explanation. May someone enlighten me?

FE's use 'refraction' as the answer

but deny it exists in another breath when talking about the lunar eclipse

they say the lunar eclipse isn't a shadow as the moon and sun have been seen in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse, this IS due to refraction as both were at opposite sides of the horizon

so be ready

Refraction does not explain a sunset in any way.

Refraction does not explain a sunset in any way.

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Wondering why people belive in flat earth

They think the bible is the word of God.   There is something there about the world being stationary but i am not sure it says it is flat - open to interpretation

Quote from: User324 on August 11, 2016, 07:13:32 AM

Wondering why people belive in flat earth

They think the bible is the word of God.   There is something there about the world being stationary but i am not sure it says it is flat - open to interpretation

If that's stationary then "I'm a monkey's uncle" and I sure hope "Luke 22:35-38" will vehemently deny the possibility of that!

Basically, the Sun is NOT very high up only about 100-200 miles.

So when the sun is 3000+ miles away, Fata Morgana causes the Sun to still appear the same size.



You mean to tell me the Sun is setting on the horizon of a Ball yet the horizon is perfectly flat?

Also, when the Sun passes your vanishing point you can no longer see it, even though it is the same height above the ground 3000+ miles away.

It's very easy to prove that the Sun is NOT setting below the horizon. All you have to do is when the sun is setting on the horizon, Google where the location of the Sun is over which country. Then see how many miles away that is.

You'll find that it would be impossible for the Sun to be directly over, New Zealand for instance, and be right on the horizon from your point of view. The angle that the sun should be plus it being 93 million miles away is just absurd.

Also, the reflection of the Sun over the water widens as it reaches all the way to the shoreline.

If the earth were a ball, the reflection would converge and not reach all the way to the shore since the "Curve" of the ball would be blocking the sun's light from reaching that far.

Basically, the Sun is NOT very high up only about 100-200 miles.

So when the sun is 3000+ miles away, Fata Morgana causes the Sun to still appear the same size.

How does the fata morgana know perfectly how to magnify the Sun so perfectly and without any distortion?

You mean to tell me the Sun is setting on the horizon of a Ball yet the horizon is perfectly flat?

Your eyes see it looks perfectly flat. Just because it looks like, it doesn't mean it is.

Also, when the Sun passes your vanishing point you can no longer see it, even though it is the same height above the ground 3000+ miles away.

To pass vanishing point, the Sun would have to be ~320,000 miles away from you. At that distance it is too small to be visible. Also, you contradict with yourself, because a few sec ago I read that the Sun is always the same size.

It's very easy to prove that the Sun is NOT setting below the horizon. All you have to do is when the sun is setting on the horizon, Google where the location of the Sun is over which country. Then see how many miles away that is.

So why it "sets" exactly at the horizon?

You'll find that it would be impossible for the Sun to be directly over, New Zealand for instance, and be right on the horizon from your point of view. The angle that the sun should be plus it being 93 million miles away is just absurd.

Absurd because you don't get the geometry right?

Also, the reflection of the Sun over the water widens as it reaches all the way to the shoreline.

By how much?

If the earth were a ball, the reflection would converge and not reach all the way to the shore since the "Curve" of the ball would be blocking the sun's light from reaching that far.

No. This has been explained to you in other thread, but you decided to ignore a proper explaination.

@Iwtiness, thank you for the good laugh I appreciate it.

So when the sun is 3000+ miles away, Fata Morgana causes the Sun to still appear the same size.

You mean to tell me the Sun is setting on the horizon of a Ball yet the horizon is perfectly flat?

Those I personally found the funniest parts of your post 

@Iwtiness, thank you for the good laugh I appreciate it.

Quote from: iWitness on August 11, 2016, 05:58:11 PM

So when the sun is 3000+ miles away, Fata Morgana causes the Sun to still appear the same size.

You mean to tell me the Sun is setting on the horizon of a Ball yet the horizon is perfectly flat?

Those I personally found the funniest parts of your post 

firstly, the sun goes down below the horizon, in the flat earth theory, it should disappear to a point, as it is moving away

again, the flat earth explanation is 'refraction'

'when the sun passes your vanishing point..'
if you understand vanishing points, why do we SEE the horizon? 

Refraction does not explain a sunset in any way.

i use the lunar eclipse as irrefutable evidence of a globe

the ONLY argument FE's have is 'the sun and the moon have been seen in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse', which they have, on opposite sides of the horizon, this IS caused by refraction

that's why FE's claim refraction for the sun rise/sun set

During equinox Sun is ALWAYS setting at 6 pm, DIRECTLY to the west.
WHEREVER you are on the Earth.

Thing is observed, measured, confirmed.
It is undeniable fact.
At 90 degrees from north, or from south.

1. Draw two concentric circles as big as you can on a paper.
Smaller inside will have half of radius of outer one.

Center of both circles will be North Pole.
Smaller circle is Equator.
Bigger circle is Ice Wall.

Ignore continents, or arrange them any way you want.

2. Draw radius from North Pole to Ice Wall.
Where it intersects Equator, there will be Sun at noon for that point.
At that point draw tangent to the Equator, to show you where is east and west.

3. Now draw new radius perpendicular to the first one, to the west.
It intersects Equator at 90 degrees west from our noon, where Sun will be at 6 pm.

4. Draw line from our noon to new Sun position.
How far is it from the west?
The error is 45 degrees to the north.

In real life Sun is not there.

Look at the spots on our "noon radius" further to the south.
The "6 pm error" is even bigger as you are closer to Ice Wall.
The error reduces when you go north and disappears only at North Pole.

Back to our Noon point and 6 pm point.

5. Draw circle around 6 pm point, through Noon point.
At the edge of that circle everyone should see Sun as sunset.
Closer than that should see Sun as afternoon or morning.

The circle reaches well over the North Pole.

In real life during equinox Sun is never visible from the other side of North Pole.

Is the North Pole angry with sun rays and won't let them pass through?
What about the rays little to the left or little to the right?

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Ancient Greeks abandoned Flat Model when saw that Globe Model works in real life, and Flat doesn't.

Do sunrise/sunset geo maps like this tilt/trigger FE's?



Can any FE explain the fact that it can be 7am (daylight) in Wellington/New Zealand and 4pm at Brasilia, Brazil. Still more 2 hours of sunlight. I would like FE's showing that in their Flat Earth pathetic maps. LOL

At that point draw tangent to the Equator, to show you where is east and west.

Sadly, every flatearther would - if he's able to draw a circle - fail at that point since none of them would know what a tangent is.