Why do people believe in flat earth?

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Why do people believe in flat earth?
« on: August 11, 2016, 05:11:11 AM »
I recently found some flat earth videos on youtube and found myself fascinated by them. It's not actually that I thought the fe model would be in any way convincing, but it's interesting to see what kind of people actually believe it.

In found that there are roughly two "categories" of people:

1. Low to mid level intelligence combined with no or bad education. Can easily be detected when you hear stuff like "But if the earth spins with xxxx m/s at the equator, how comes I can jump and land at the same place? Those people might be trolls tho.

2. Mid level up do seemingly decent intelligent people with often not too bad education. Those people sometimes have created their own world-view, which is often working on first glance. So I somehow admire their dedication to flat-earth.

Now I wonder: Are here any people  that do actually belive in flat earth?
How comes you do believe in flat earth, since it can actually be disproven easily?
What makes you feel you need an alternative view of our world/universe? Is it just the urge to be more than one small human in the whole universe?
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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2016, 07:17:28 AM »
I recently found some flat earth videos on youtube and found myself fascinated by them. It's not actually that I thought the fe model would be in any way convincing, but it's interesting to see what kind of people actually believe it.

In found that there are roughly two "categories" of people:

1. Low to mid level intelligence combined with no or bad education. Can easily be detected when you hear stuff like "But if the earth spins with xxxx m/s at the equator, how comes I can jump and land at the same place? Those people might be trolls tho.

2. Mid level up do seemingly decent intelligent people with often not too bad education. Those people sometimes have created their own world-view, which is often working on first glance. So I somehow admire their dedication to flat-earth.

Now I wonder: Are here any people  that do actually belive in flat earth?
How comes you do believe in flat earth, since it can actually be disproven easily?
What makes you feel you need an alternative view of our world/universe? Is it just the urge to be more than one small human in the whole universe?

Another common denominator in these cases is paranoid delusional belief that there is a massive global conspiracy to hide the real shape of the earth,  it's pretty much classic conspiracy psychology, they believe that they are smarter than every one else, or at the very least have discovered a "secret" that only they and a select few have discovered.

Some conspiracy "leaders"  seem to be in it just for the money and for some it's a recognition of sorts. 

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/insights-into-the-personalities-conspiracy-theorists/

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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2016, 07:20:20 AM »
You can read more about why I believe in a Flat earth in my AMA thread in the Q&A forum.

But to answer your question, the Flat Earth is not easily disproven otherwise the debate would have ended.

Even Wikipedia admits that the Heliocentric model and Geocentric model BOTH work:
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The motions of the sun, moon and other solar system planets can be calculated using a geocentric model (the earth is at the centre) or using a heliocentric model (the sun is at the centre). Both work..
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Now it goes on to say that Geocentric model has more assumptions so according to Occam's Razor the Heliocentric model should be correct.

However, that is just not true.

To believe in the Heliocentric model, you have to assume that an invisible, non-measurable force (Gravity) holds everything in place while simultaneously allowing the universe to expand.

You have to assume that your eyes are deceiving you to see the earth is flat when it is really round. You have to assume that mirages are deceiving you into seeing buildings much farther than you should.

You have to assume that humans (which are inherently evil) are telling the truth about traveling in space. You have to assume that although no independent rocket or balloon can go higher than 30 miles, NASA was able to go 220,000+ miles in the 1960s using a calculator.

You have to assume that although the Sun and Moon appear the same exact size, the Sun is 400x bigger and ironically 400x farther away.
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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2016, 08:12:28 AM »
A kind of literal translation of the Bible also factors into this.  Kind of like young earth creationism.  Not sure how much religion factors into now but it had quite a bit to do with it in its early days.
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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 09:07:22 AM »
You can read more about why I believe in a Flat earth in my AMA thread in the Q&A forum.

I'm happy to meet someone that does really belive in flat earth.


Even Wikipedia admits that the Heliocentric model and Geocentric model BOTH work:
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The motions of the sun, moon and other solar system planets can be calculated using a geocentric model (the earth is at the centre) or using a heliocentric model (the sun is at the centre). Both work..
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
I do not deny that. In terms of mathematic it's all a matter of perspective. You could assume the earth as not moving at all and everything else moving around it. Since the equations are known, you could aswell do a moon-cenctric model or maybe a mars-centric model.

Now it goes on to say that Geocentric model has more assumptions so according to Occam's Razor the Heliocentric model should be correct.
Who says that. Give me a list with assumptions of both models.

To believe in the Heliocentric model, you have to assume that an invisible, non-measurable force (Gravity) holds everything in place while simultaneously allowing the universe to expand.
Gravity is measurable as well as calculable. I tho agree, we are far from knowing all about gravity especialy the "why".
The universe expanding and gravity are no problem; it does make perfectly sense.

You have to assume that your eyes are deceiving you to see the earth is flat when it is really round. You have to assume that mirages are deceiving you into seeing buildings much farther than you should.
Such sentence usually come when you do not understand how big earth actually is. Its not like your on a small ball or something.


You have to assume that humans (which are inherently evil) are telling the truth about traveling in space.
I do not assume humans are evil.


But to answer your question, the Flat Earth is not easily disproven otherwise the debate would have ended.

It can be. Let me quickly do it. Arguments 1-3 are each proof enough that a flat earth could not exist.

1. Sunset/sunrise

2. Ships, towns etc. vanish behind the horizon.

3. Startrails

4. GPS

5. Gravity

6. Jetstream

You may not understand how this points can disprove a flat earth, so if you wish i can further explain those.


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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 09:18:35 AM »
I think the question of persons in reference to globe or flat earth falls into three categories :
(1) Those who know that the earth is a globe from their education , work, hobbies or experience.
(2) Those who think or believe that the earth is flat for various reasons as have been mentioned.
(3) Those who could care less whether the earth was round or flat.

I think the question of the flat earth is just as much that it can't be easily proven just as much as it can be easily disproven.

The questions of Antartica-vs-Ice Wall and Horizon (Distinct Line-vs-Blur) are at least two of the biggest Flat Earth Fallacies.
Of course there are many more.

iWitness you may not understand why your estimate of the distance from tne earth to the moon is so wrong,  but I am always glad to explain how it has been measured because it is one of my favorite and fascinating subjects.
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Re: Why do people believe in flat earth?
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 01:27:05 PM »
You can read more about why I believe in a Flat earth in my AMA thread in the Q&A forum.

But to answer your question, the Flat Earth is not easily disproven otherwise the debate would have ended.

Even Wikipedia admits that the Heliocentric model and Geocentric model BOTH work:
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The motions of the sun, moon and other solar system planets can be calculated using a geocentric model (the earth is at the centre) or using a heliocentric model (the sun is at the centre). Both work..
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

Now it goes on to say that Geocentric model has more assumptions so according to Occam's Razor the Heliocentric model should be correct.

However, that is just not true.

To believe in the Heliocentric model, you have to assume that an invisible, non-measurable force (Gravity) holds everything in place while simultaneously allowing the universe to expand.

You have to assume that your eyes are deceiving you to see the earth is flat when it is really round. You have to assume that mirages are deceiving you into seeing buildings much farther than you should.

You have to assume that humans (which are inherently evil) are telling the truth about traveling in space. You have to assume that although no independent rocket or balloon can go higher than 30 miles, NASA was able to go 220,000+ miles in the 1960s using a calculator.

You have to assume that although the Sun and Moon appear the same exact size, the Sun is 400x bigger and ironically 400x farther away.
the geocentric model it is talking about is with a ROUND earth at the center and everything rotating around it.  It is not talking about a flat Earth.