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Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1140 on: February 10, 2018, 11:58:42 PM »
That doesn't really make sense, but here is the relevant equation anyway:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newton's_third_law
Why does the Voodoo always stop reading before it gets to the interesting bits.

Why do you shill bots always try to confuse Newton's second and third laws?

It's rather dishonest, you know?

Luckily, here is a professor of rocket engine design to explain their interrelationship in regard to hot gas jet propulsion:

http://www.fem.unicamp.br/~em313/paginas/textos/jet.htm

Of course, drawing a free body diagram of an object surrounded by NOTHING would solve this whole thread immediately...

But you simply cannot do it.

I wonder why?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1141 on: February 11, 2018, 03:15:45 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1142 on: February 11, 2018, 03:56:16 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1143 on: February 11, 2018, 04:06:18 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1144 on: February 11, 2018, 04:14:23 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

You made no argument.

And you are not a person either, you are a bot.

100% Fail.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1145 on: February 11, 2018, 04:18:52 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1146 on: February 11, 2018, 04:25:54 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

I contributed an observation that I have yet to see in this thread - that the total mass decreases during flight as fuel is burnt.
He implied I wasn't actually human and that what I had typed was nonsense.
That is quite different.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1147 on: February 11, 2018, 04:36:33 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

I contributed an observation that I have yet to see in this thread - that the total mass decreases during flight as fuel is burnt.
He implied I wasn't actually human and that what I had typed was nonsense.
That is quite different.

To be fair you said some mad shit about Newton's laws too...
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1148 on: February 11, 2018, 04:42:37 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

I contributed an observation that I have yet to see in this thread - that the total mass decreases during flight as fuel is burnt.
He implied I wasn't actually human and that what I had typed was nonsense.
That is quite different.

To be fair you said some mad shit about Newton's laws too...

The entire comment was about NP. The m in "F=ma" represents mass.

I assume you will now provide the refutation.


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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1149 on: February 11, 2018, 04:47:01 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

I contributed an observation that I have yet to see in this thread - that the total mass decreases during flight as fuel is burnt.
He implied I wasn't actually human and that what I had typed was nonsense.
That is quite different.

To be fair you said some mad shit about Newton's laws too...

The entire comment was about NP. The m in "F=ma" represents mass.

I assume you will now provide the refutation.

Already did...

It's nonsense, written by a bot.

Now, to prevent further time wasting, I shall put your bot self on ignore.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1150 on: February 11, 2018, 04:49:23 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Yet another shillbot joins the forum only to instantly spam my thread with nonsense.

And you attack the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.

And you attack the attack.  What does that say about you?

I contributed an observation that I have yet to see in this thread - that the total mass decreases during flight as fuel is burnt.
He implied I wasn't actually human and that what I had typed was nonsense.
That is quite different.

To be fair you said some mad shit about Newton's laws too...

The entire comment was about NP. The m in "F=ma" represents mass.

I assume you will now provide the refutation.

Already did...

It's nonsense, written by a bot.

Now, to prevent further time wasting, I shall put your bot self on ignore.

Given my short (and easy to read) post history on this forum, this speaks volumes about your character.
But good luck with your continued denial of science, via the Internet!

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1151 on: February 11, 2018, 05:44:38 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Clearly an alt/bot or both.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1152 on: February 11, 2018, 05:54:12 AM »
Fuel contributes a significant amount to the initial mass of the rocket. Burning the fuel creates thrust and reduces the mass of the rocket. Conversation of momentum should then be considered.

All for Newtonian Physics can be summed up with F=ma

Clearly an alt/bot or both.

Sadly we will never know for sure because you would be unable to provide any evidence such claims.

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1153 on: February 12, 2018, 06:00:08 PM »
Rockets work in a vacuum

see

if you want to understand the basic phyiscs of why they work in a vacuum, there a lots of good high school and primary school resources for you to up educate yourself on

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1154 on: February 13, 2018, 12:18:45 AM »
Rockets work in a vacuum

see

if you want to understand the basic phyiscs of why they work in a vacuum, there a lots of good high school and primary school resources for you to up educate yourself on

Replicating an infinite hard vacuum in a skinny plexiglass tube?

Sounds legit!

And no free body diagram of an object surrounded by nothing, as usual...

Another sockbot goes on ignore.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1155 on: February 13, 2018, 09:56:35 AM »
Rockets work in a vacuum

see

if you want to understand the basic phyiscs of why they work in a vacuum, there a lots of good high school and primary school resources for you to up educate yourself on

Replicating an infinite hard vacuum in a skinny plexiglass tube?

Sounds legit!
If nothing else, it does prove that propellant can ignite in a vacuum.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1156 on: February 13, 2018, 10:05:41 AM »
Rockets work in a vacuum

see

if you want to understand the basic phyiscs of why they work in a vacuum, there a lots of good high school and primary school resources for you to up educate yourself on

Replicating an infinite hard vacuum in a skinny plexiglass tube?

Sounds legit!
If nothing else, it does prove that propellant can ignite in a vacuum.

Incorrect.

If you think that stupid contraption came anywhere near full vacuum you are...

Oh, hang on, it's just the markbot lying and shitposting as usual.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1157 on: February 13, 2018, 10:21:32 AM »
Rockets work in a vacuum

see

if you want to understand the basic phyiscs of why they work in a vacuum, there a lots of good high school and primary school resources for you to up educate yourself on

Replicating an infinite hard vacuum in a skinny plexiglass tube?

Sounds legit!
If nothing else, it does prove that propellant can ignite in a vacuum.

Incorrect.

If you think that stupid contraption came anywhere near full vacuum you are...

Oh, hang on, it's just the markbot lying and shitposting as usual.
Since you seem to know everything about everything, please grace us with your knowledge and tell us poor, ignorant fools just how hard the vacuum must be before propellant won't ignite.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1158 on: February 13, 2018, 11:48:41 AM »
Replicating an infinite hard vacuum in a skinny plexiglass tube?

Sounds legit!

And no free body diagram of an object surrounded by nothing, as usual...

Another sockbot goes on ignore.

My god you are dumb

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1159 on: February 28, 2018, 08:08:37 AM »
This diagram explains why a rocket does not need anything to push against.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1160 on: March 05, 2018, 08:46:36 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1161 on: March 06, 2018, 07:36:23 AM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1162 on: March 06, 2018, 08:40:59 AM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.
And there's the ignorance we all have come to know

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1163 on: March 06, 2018, 05:51:19 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.

Heiwa, I still don't understand your method of thinking, or logic, or whatever. Please don't link to your site. I've seen you claim before than no object can change their orbit, head into a heliocentric orbit, etc. Why? What's so impossible about this?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1164 on: March 06, 2018, 07:31:34 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.

Heiwa, I still don't understand your method of thinking, or logic, or whatever. Please don't link to your site. I've seen you claim before than no object can change their orbit, head into a heliocentric orbit, etc. Why? What's so impossible about this?
Thanks for asking. You have not understood what I say. Yes, you can put man-made satellites into different orbits of Earth using rockets but that's all. They can later not start orbiting the Sun or fly away to the Moon and land there because they lack the fuel and navigation equipment to do it, simply saying. So I describe plenty NASA missions at my popular website where NASA fakes it. NASA doesn't like it, of course, that I describe it as a criminal organization stealing money from tax payers.



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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1165 on: March 06, 2018, 07:35:01 PM »
They can later not start orbiting the Sun or fly away to the Moon and land there because they lack the fuel and navigation equipment to do it, simply saying.
This is incorrect.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1166 on: March 07, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.
Let me get this straight.  You have shares in a company that puts satellites into orbit.  You know rockets can insert them into orbit.  You know these satellites can move between orbital heights and orbital slots.   

You believe it works well enough to invest your money in them.  What a fuckin’ hypocrite.

So, you know that they do everything you say manned spacecraft can’t do.  Either they work or they don’t work.  It makes no difference whether it’s manned or unmanned.

Mike
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1167 on: March 07, 2018, 02:39:27 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.
Let me get this straight.  You have shares in a company that puts satellites into orbit.  You know rockets can insert them into orbit.  You know these satellites can move between orbital heights and orbital slots.   

You believe it works well enough to invest your money in them.  What a fuckin’ hypocrite.

So, you know that they do everything you say manned spacecraft can’t do.  Either they work or they don’t work.  It makes no difference whether it’s manned or unmanned.

Mike
Not quite.  He agrees that getting to orbit is possible, but reentry isn't.  He seems to think that life support and extra fuel are insurmountable problems too.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1168 on: March 07, 2018, 08:59:27 PM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.
Let me get this straight.  You have shares in a company that puts satellites into orbit.  You know rockets can insert them into orbit.  You know these satellites can move between orbital heights and orbital slots.   

You believe it works well enough to invest your money in them.  What a fuckin’ hypocrite.

So, you know that they do everything you say manned spacecraft can’t do.  Either they work or they don’t work.  It makes no difference whether it’s manned or unmanned.

Mike

Hello Mikrobrain,

Yes it is correct that I am shareholder of Airbus NV that is part owner of Arianespace SA that sends satellites into orbits around the Earth since many years using very simple rockets. That is all they can do. They cannot send humans into space and they cannot ensure that their rockets or satellites later re-enter and land on Earth for the simple reason it is physically impossible.
Reason why I am a shareholder is that I make more money being it than to crawl around inside old, rusty seagoing ships looking for cracks and other defects. It enables me to have a popular website about official lies and hoaxes by various governments about:
atomic bombs 1945,
human beings in space 1969,
ships floating on deck houses 1994,
skyscrapers becoming dust due to Arabs 2001 and
hot fission on Earth down the road from me 2035.
I pay you and anyone €1M showing I am wrong.
Good luck!

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1169 on: March 08, 2018, 10:37:59 AM »
I think I literally lost all of my brain cells reading this thread. Holy shit how can one be so ignorant to not know, after just 5 seconds of research, that free expansion applies only to a closed system, AND ideal gases? Even Heiwa had to call Papa out on his bullshit. WTF.
Well, having shares in a company sending rockets and satellites into Earth orbits, I know rockets work doing just that - sending satellites into orbits. Everything else is fake.
Let me get this straight.  You have shares in a company that puts satellites into orbit.  You know rockets can insert them into orbit.  You know these satellites can move between orbital heights and orbital slots.   

You believe it works well enough to invest your money in them.  What a fuckin’ hypocrite.

So, you know that they do everything you say manned spacecraft can’t do.  Either they work or they don’t work.  It makes no difference whether it’s manned or unmanned.

Mike

Hello Mikrobrain,

Yes it is correct that I am shareholder of Airbus NV that is part owner of Arianespace SA that sends satellites into orbits around the Earth since many years using very simple rockets. That is all they can do. They cannot send humans into space and they cannot ensure that their rockets or satellites later re-enter and land on Earth for the simple reason it is physically impossible.
Reason why I am a shareholder is that I make more money being it than to crawl around inside old, rusty seagoing ships looking for cracks and other defects. It enables me to have a popular website about official lies and hoaxes by various governments about:
atomic bombs 1945,
human beings in space 1969,
ships floating on deck houses 1994,
skyscrapers becoming dust due to Arabs 2001 and
hot fission on Earth down the road from me 2035.
I pay you and anyone €1M showing I am wrong.
Good luck!
More failure and baseless claims.  Until you prove you have the money, your challenges are fake.  Until you post evidence to your bullshit claims here you are failure.
It's really that simple.