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Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #420 on: December 08, 2016, 05:11:59 AM »
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And pressure is a scalar quantity, so there will be no unbalanced force within the chamber anyway

If you're right (clue: you're not), then that would also apply for a rocket engine in an atmosphere. Congratulations Einstein, you just proved rockets don't work in an atmosphere! (Just in case you're confused, you didn't prove that. I was employing sarcasm: it makes the Schadenfreude even more palatable).

^^ Poppa claiming that rockets don't work in an atmosphere ^^

(Whistles in a 'Saviours-from-The-Walking-Dead' manner)

I never wrote that.

Just click on my name & see where it takes you.

Nice try though.

More proof the title of this thread is correct.

P.s. why are you all so mental?
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #421 on: December 08, 2016, 05:13:42 AM »
Back to this...

Please read:

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/pressure-volume-work

In it you will find the equation used to determine the amount of Work done by a Gas...

The equation is: Work = external Pressure x change in Volume.

As the external Pressure in a Vacuum is ZERO, then a Gas introduced into a Vacuum will do ZERO Work.

And without WORK there can be neither POWER nor FORCE, & thus no MOTION:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html


Moreover, the experiment to prove this FACT was one of the mathematical & conceptual foundations of Thermodynamics:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eYQHIjkaEroC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=joule+free+expansion+conservation+of+energy&source=bl&ots=lNNu7CV1-P&sig=YMAwtaJTmLf7BF4Ts4jcWzVTY98&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWv6XJh6rPAhXEOxoKHXskDjw4ChDoAQgfMAE#v=onepage&q=joule%20free%20expansion%20conservation%20of%20energy&f=false

Again, I will quote the relevant section: "Joule noticed that in this process (i.e. Free Expansion) the gas does not 'develop mechanical power' i.e. no mechanical work is performed either by or on the gas".

Pretty conclusive: a gas-POWERED rocket cannot possibly do WORK in a vacuum.

To claim that it does is to violate the very foundations of the Laws of Thermodynamics: FACT.

And no matter how much you stamp your feet & try to turn the page on these scientific FACTS they simply will not go away...

Sucks to be you; oh yes it does!

Toodle-pip, LOSERS!
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rabinoz

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #422 on: December 08, 2016, 05:14:34 AM »

Here's another Lie from Geoff:

Which must make you feel real good about yourself eh, Geoff?

Lying must make you feel fabulous, as you lie every time you call me (and so many others) Geoff, when you know very well that we are not.

Just say so eh, Geoff?
remember  PV=nRT.
Why don't you explain what it means Geoff?
There is NO depth to which you are unprepared to sink, is there Geoff?
Tell us how somehow it makes a gas do work in a vacuum & thus defy thermodynamics eh, holocaust-denying shill Geoff?
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You seem to be mistaking Words for Reality, Geoff.
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STFU Geoff.
So by your definition, Papa, everying in the universe is a closed system.
Please actually read the CITATIONS I provide, Geoff's creepy mini-me...

No, poor poor Papa, I'm sorry for judging you so harshly. You are not lying at all are you? How many Geoff's have you got now? And that's over only a few days.
I think a considered professional diagnosis of your condition would be that you are simply "Stark Starin' Bonkers!"

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rabinoz

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #423 on: December 08, 2016, 05:19:51 AM »
Back to this...
Put your stupid copy'n'paste away! You know and we know that rockets do not need air-pressure to work.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #424 on: December 08, 2016, 05:21:18 AM »
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And pressure is a scalar quantity, so there will be no unbalanced force within the chamber anyway

If you're right (clue: you're not), then that would also apply for a rocket engine in an atmosphere. Congratulations Einstein, you just proved rockets don't work in an atmosphere! (Just in case you're confused, you didn't prove that. I was employing sarcasm: it makes the Schadenfreude even more palatable).

^^ Poppa claiming that rockets don't work in an atmosphere ^^

(Whistles in a 'Saviours-from-The-Walking-Dead' manner)

I never wrote that.

Just click on my name & see where it takes you.

Nice try though.

More proof the title of this thread is correct.

P.s. why are you all so mental?

I click on your name and it takes me to that exact quote.

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And pressure is a scalar quantity, so there will be no unbalanced force within the chamber anyway
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disputeone

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #425 on: December 08, 2016, 05:26:37 AM »
Papa loves Geoff like Intikam loves goats. With a burning heart.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #426 on: December 08, 2016, 05:27:54 AM »
Why are you so mental Geoff?
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disputeone

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #427 on: December 08, 2016, 05:32:32 AM »
Lol deleting posts is dishonest.

Vote to move to AR, I think the legbot is broken, he needs a service and a tune I think.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #428 on: December 08, 2016, 05:38:38 AM »
*Yawn!*

Attempted censorship & hypocrisy noted...

Also 'legbot'?

lol.

Why are you so mental?
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sokarul

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #429 on: December 08, 2016, 05:58:20 AM »
Do you subscribe to Sceptictank's exhaust stacking or do you have a different mechanism for exhaust pushing off air?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #430 on: December 08, 2016, 06:01:02 AM »
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And pressure is a scalar quantity, so there will be no unbalanced force within the chamber anyway

If you're right (clue: you're not), then that would also apply for a rocket engine in an atmosphere. Congratulations Einstein, you just proved rockets don't work in an atmosphere! (Just in case you're confused, you didn't prove that. I was employing sarcasm: it makes the Schadenfreude even more palatable).

^^ Poppa claiming that rockets don't work in an atmosphere ^^

(Whistles in a 'Saviours-from-The-Walking-Dead' manner)

I never wrote that.

Just click on my name & see where it takes you.

Nice try though.

More proof the title of this thread is correct.

P.s. why are you all so mental?

As noted by others on this thread, the link does indeed take you through to that exact quote!

Your claim: Pressure is scalar hence, there can not be an unbalanced force in the chamber!

You the came out with some anti-science mumbo jumbo Poppa-Fhyics!!TM about the internal pressure meeting an external pressure to create an unbalanced force.

(Let's humour it for a while and how good its programming is).

Please explain to us heretics how 2 scalar quantities (external pressure and internal pressure) combine to create a vector quantity (thrust!)

I'm bored of pop-corn now, I'm looking forward to some good old-fashioned roasted nuts instead.

That's the problem with lying for a living: eventually you catch yourself out!

Strudels!
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #431 on: December 08, 2016, 06:23:50 AM »
Do you subscribe to Sceptictank's exhaust stacking or do you have a different mechanism for exhaust pushing off air?

You seem to believe gases are not compressible:

https://www.chem.tamu.edu/class/majors/tutorialnotefiles/gasprop.htm

They are.

You also seem to believe pressure gradient forces do not exist:

http://tornado.sfsu.edu/Geosciences/classes/m430/Equation_Motion/Forces.pdf

They do.

You don't seem to know much about anything do you?

Nor do you seem capable of learning...

That is because you are a bot.

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Why are you so mental?
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sokarul

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #432 on: December 08, 2016, 06:31:20 AM »
You come to the dumbest conclusions possible.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #433 on: December 08, 2016, 06:32:05 AM »
<demented disinfo-rant snipped>

Why are you so mental?

^^ Admitting that he screwed up big-stylee. ^^

I made up some completely random sh!te on the Flat Earth Society forum and now I feel completely and utterly EPIC!!!

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #434 on: December 08, 2016, 06:37:24 AM »
^Mad I won't accept its shitty b8.

^lol fail

Back to this...

Please read:

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/pressure-volume-work

In it you will find the equation used to determine the amount of Work done by a Gas...

The equation is: Work = external Pressure x change in Volume.

As the external Pressure in a Vacuum is ZERO, then a Gas introduced into a Vacuum will do ZERO Work.

And without WORK there can be neither POWER nor FORCE, & thus no MOTION:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html


Moreover, the experiment to prove this FACT was one of the mathematical & conceptual foundations of Thermodynamics:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=eYQHIjkaEroC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=joule+free+expansion+conservation+of+energy&source=bl&ots=lNNu7CV1-P&sig=YMAwtaJTmLf7BF4Ts4jcWzVTY98&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWv6XJh6rPAhXEOxoKHXskDjw4ChDoAQgfMAE#v=onepage&q=joule%20free%20expansion%20conservation%20of%20energy&f=false

Again, I will quote the relevant section: "Joule noticed that in this process (i.e. Free Expansion) the gas does not 'develop mechanical power' i.e. no mechanical work is performed either by or on the gas".

Pretty conclusive: a gas-POWERED rocket cannot possibly do WORK in a vacuum.

To claim that it does is to violate the very foundations of the Laws of Thermodynamics: FACT.

And no matter how much you stamp your feet & try to turn the page on these scientific FACTS they simply will not go away...

Sucks to be you; oh yes it does!

Toodle-pip, LOSERS!
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #435 on: December 08, 2016, 06:50:30 AM »

More psychobabble


^^ Stuck in a loop again, evidence of poor shill-bot programming ^^

Meanwhile...

Please explain to us heretics how 2 scalar quantities (external pressure and internal pressure) combine to create a vector quantity (thrust!)
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #436 on: December 08, 2016, 10:21:55 AM »
You also seem to believe pressure gradient forces do not exist:

http://tornado.sfsu.edu/Geosciences/classes/m430/Equation_Motion/Forces.pdf

They do.
Whoa there Nellie!!  Are you trying to say that pressure gradients are balanced forces?  ???
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #437 on: December 08, 2016, 12:27:04 PM »
Are you trying to say that pressure gradients are balanced forces?

Carry on...

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sokarul

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #438 on: December 08, 2016, 12:40:30 PM »
Why is it so hard to answer simple questions?
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #439 on: December 08, 2016, 12:48:44 PM »
Why is it so hard to answer simple questions?

Why are you markjo's little bot-bitch?

Cat got his fucking tongue?

I ain't got a bot-bitch, but seems every LGBTRE-er here has dozens...

Now say you 'destroyed me' or some mad auto-response AI shit...

Again:

Are you trying to say that pressure gradients are balanced forces?

Carry on...

I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

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sokarul

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #440 on: December 08, 2016, 12:53:17 PM »
You are dumb and you post dumb things. Perhaps dementia is kicking in at your old age. 

Or you just can back up your shot claims.

Exhaust stacking lol
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #441 on: December 08, 2016, 12:57:06 PM »
You are dumb and you post dumb things. Perhaps dementia is kicking in at your old age. 

Or you just can back up your shot claims.

Exhaust stacking lol

Yup; automated bot-response, just as I predicted...

Yet more proof the title of this thread is correct.

Now this:

Are you trying to say that pressure gradients are balanced forces?

Carry on...


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sokarul

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #442 on: December 08, 2016, 01:00:55 PM »
Object B is the exhaust.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #443 on: December 08, 2016, 01:04:45 PM »
Object B is the exhaust.

Another automated bot-response.

Again:

Are you trying to say that pressure gradients are balanced forces?

Carry on...
 
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #444 on: December 08, 2016, 01:06:02 PM »

Hoping people won't spot my attempts at deflection away from the questions I can't answer!


Again

Please explain to us heretics how 2 scalar quantities (external pressure and internal pressure) combine to create a vector quantity (thrust!)

Thought not. Running out of roasted nuts now.

Strudels!
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #445 on: December 08, 2016, 01:11:50 PM »
CONCLUSION:
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #446 on: December 08, 2016, 01:40:57 PM »
Please explain to us heretics how 2 scalar quantities (external pressure and internal pressure) combine to create a vector quantity?

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/pressure-volume-work

Slow learner aintcha Geoff?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #447 on: December 08, 2016, 02:28:01 PM »
Well Rayzor smashed you, but one more debunk.

Q: why do full bottles of lpg weigh more than empty bottles.

A: gas has mass.

Q: if F=MxA what would be the outcome of propelling a mass one way?

A: ?

(The answer is force.)
Liquefied Petroleum Gas is a liquid, that's why it weighs more.
Unless LPG means something different in Australia, which is entirely possible.

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #448 on: December 08, 2016, 02:35:22 PM »
Please explain to us heretics how 2 scalar quantities (external pressure and internal pressure) combine to create a vector quantity?

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/chemistry/thermodynamics-chemistry/internal-energy-sal/a/pressure-volume-work

Slow learner aintcha Geoff?

Oh dear, this didn't start well for you, isn't going well, and it ain't gonna end well!

Your link goes to the page on Thermodynamics and Work, using the equation work=−PΔV.

But Poppy, pressure, volume and work or all scalar! Which is sad for Poppa-Fhysics!!TM, but does add some extra heat into the roasted nuts.

So, for the gazillionth time (I know, I'm exaggerating), please do explain, how 2 scalar quantities combine to produce a vector quantity, specifically how external pressure (scalar) and internal pressure (scalar) combine to produce an "unbalanced force" (shall we call that, errr, thrust - a vector quantity)?

Now, I know you won't (can't), and you know you won't (can't), and everyone else reading this thread knows you won't (can't), but holding your feet to the fire just adds to the fun Poppy!
I made up some completely random sh!te on the Flat Earth Society forum and now I feel completely and utterly EPIC!!!

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #449 on: December 08, 2016, 02:46:58 PM »
CONCLUSION:
Legba 1
Shills  0

Interpretation: I haven't got a clue what happened here, have no idea how 2 scalar quantities combine to produce a vector, but I'd better lend some moral support to my 'troof-buddy' cos I don't like to see him get roasted.

Loyalty is a great personality trait: so well done, you! I award you a "Faithful Puppy Certificate Tier 1". You may use it as your avatar.

I made up some completely random sh!te on the Flat Earth Society forum and now I feel completely and utterly EPIC!!!