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Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.

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Papa Legba

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Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« on: August 06, 2016, 04:25:15 PM »
A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2016, 04:31:15 PM »
Good think space is not enclosed. Otherwise rockets wouldn't work.

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2016, 04:40:13 PM »
Good think space is not enclosed. Otherwise rockets wouldn't work.

Irrelevant, as shown in the links you clearly did not read.

Just slap your shill-vote in so we all know you're a Liar & don't have to waste any more time on your shit lying shill-self, eh?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2016, 04:43:34 PM by Papa Legba »
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2016, 04:42:33 PM »
The way to make this experiment similar to rockets would be to attach a box around the rocket engine. That would mean that the exhausts bounce off of the box and no work would be done.

However, there is nothing blocking the exhausts, so there is work done.

If there were a box around the engine, it would be enclosed.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2016, 04:45:08 PM »
The way to make this experiment similar to rockets would be to attach a box around the rocket engine. That would mean that the exhausts bounce off of the box and no work would be done.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2016, 04:48:39 PM »
I don't know which gas laws you are referring to.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2016, 04:59:26 PM »
Papa Legba, does a pressurized container force pair with the compressed gas contained within?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2016, 05:04:11 PM »
I don't know which gas laws you are referring to.

These ones, shill:

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

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Could you make it just a LITTLE more obvious that you are a shill?

The slow ones at the back may not quite have got it yet,,,

Shill.

Oh, & cast a vote too, just to make it official.

Papa Legba, does a pressurized container force pair with the compressed gas contained within?

Irrelevant, shill.

Just read the links & stop spamming anti-science garbage.

Then cast your vote & show the scientifically-literate world exactly what you are please.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2016, 05:06:56 PM »
I am not denying that gas within an enclosed vacuum will do no work. But that is irrelevant for rockets. Because space is not enclosed.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2016, 05:08:43 PM »
Papa Legba, does a pressurized container force pair with the compressed gas contained within?

Irrelevant, shill.
So pressure x area is no longer a force?

Newton's 3rd law has been repealed?
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2016, 05:13:34 PM »
Please cast a vote or stop responding.

You are making fools of yourselves.

And proving beyond any doubt that you are paid shills.

Because it is repeatedly-verified scientific FACT that a Gas does no Work in a Vacuum.

Read again before you Lie to us further:

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2016, 05:15:14 PM »
Your first link is from MIT.  Far from disproving rocket theory, MIT in fact seem to believe in rockets.  Maybe that's because the example in your linked page bears no resemblance whatsoever to a rocket.

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2016, 05:18:34 PM »
Papa has trouble with understanding the difference between a closed and open system.

Here are some clues for you Papa from the links you provided:

The enclosure is insulated so there is no heat exchange.

Imagine a gas confined within an insulated container as shown in the figure below.

Free expansion is an irreversible process in which a gas expands into an insulated evacuated chamber.

Do you really not see something glaring obvious and how it does not apply to rockets in a vacuum?  Free expansion only happens within a insulated closed system. Which means there is no heat being conducted to outside the chamber or anything else interacting with the gas except the container.

A rocket is an open system. Which means things are free to move about and interact with what ever they come into contact with.

So Newton said and many agree that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.  So what is happening to the energy when a rocket is ignited in a vacuum?  Newton says something has got to happen.


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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2016, 05:21:08 PM »
Because it is repeatedly-verified scientific FACT that a Gas does no Work in a Vacuum.
No one is claiming that it does.  We're just saying that rockets don't work that way.

Rockets work because of the force pairing between the hot, expanding combustion gasses and the rocket engine.  What happens to the gasses after they leave the rocket engine is completely irrelevant.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2016, 05:22:39 PM »
The science speaks for itself; you speak for military-industrial propaganda bullshit.

Please stop Lying & cast your votes.
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2016, 05:25:11 PM »
Science does speak for itself, but you seem to think that a closed system behaves the same as a system with interactions outside of itself.

Internal systems will never have any net force, work, etc. But open ones will.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2016, 05:27:19 PM »
You are Lying again & clearly have not read the links.

Please stop.

Cast votes now, shills!

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2016, 05:29:59 PM »
You are Lying again & clearly have not read the links.
None of those links say anything about rockets in a vacuum.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2016, 05:31:10 PM »
You haven't invited non-shills to vote, so maybe that's why?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2016, 05:32:19 PM »
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2016, 05:35:47 PM »
Still haven't invited us.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2016, 05:37:52 PM »
^More lies.

^Also reported .

^To himself, as he is quite obviously also the fraud-mod 'Ski'.

^lol.

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

Exercise your Democratic Rights to Lie like your life depends on it!
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2016, 05:39:32 PM »
My online alias is Origamiscienceguy by the way. In case you couldn't read it.
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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2016, 05:42:25 PM »
^Has no science or facts to back up his time-wasting bullshit.

^Will never be banned.

^Because shill on shill-forum.

^lol.

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

Exercise your Democratic Rights to Lie like your life depends on it!
I got Trolled & Shilled at the CIA Troll/Shill Society and now I feel EPIC!!!

Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2016, 05:45:18 PM »
I have science to back up the fact that my online alias is origamiscienceguy.

Or in binary:
01101111 01110010 01101001 01100111 01100001 01101101 01101001 01110011 01100011 01101001 01100101 01101110 01100011 01100101 01100111 01110101 01111001

Why would I be banned for stating what my online alias is?

If you think everybody on this forum (including the mods) are paid to do this, then why don't you go create your own forum to be moderator of?
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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2016, 05:56:55 PM »
^Has no science or facts to back up his time-wasting bullshit.

^Will never be banned.

^Because shill on shill-forum.

^lol.

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

Exercise your Democratic Rights to Lie like your life depends on it!
None of those links mention rockets.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Papa Legba

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2016, 10:22:10 PM »
25 posts in & not one shill can cite one bit of science to support their case...

Markjo has his strawman dollies, which I refuse to play with, & that's it.

Again; read this, shills, then Lie about it & cast your votes:

A Gas does no Work in a Vacuum:

http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/FALL/thermodynamics/notes/node33.html
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/j150043a002
http://www.etomica.org/app/modules/sites/JouleThomson/Background2.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_expansion

No Work=no Force=no Motion:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/work.html
https://www.wou.edu/las/physci/GS361/EnergyBasics/EnergyBasics.htm
http://www.edinformatics.com/math_science/work_energy_power.htm

Etc, etc, etc; undeniable scientific FACT.

Ergo a GAS-powered rocket cannot possibly create MOTION in a Vacuum.

Off you go idiotic anti-science paid liar scumbags...

Exercise your Democratic Rights to Lie like your life depends on it!
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disputeone

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2016, 10:32:15 PM »
So Newton said and many agree that for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.  So what is happening to the energy when a rocket is ignited in a vacuum?  Newton says something has got to happen.

Not this again, for the love of my sanity not this again..

I think BHS has nearly finished his chamber so we should be able to do some cool experiments in there.

Hey Papa, site was boring without you.

Woody we tried mate... trust me we tried...
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66748.0
« Last Edit: August 07, 2016, 10:34:32 PM by disputeone »
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this.

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https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1960160#msg1960160

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2016, 12:29:13 AM »
Haven't you learned yet?
Lying is defined (by the Voodoo Priest) as saying anything that disagrees with the Voodoo Priest's Copy Pasta!
Bit slow aren't you?

At least our local Voodoo Priest keeps his Copy Pasta under the booklet size of our current record holder - "Thus spake  . . . .  - you know who".

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disputeone

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Re: Shills claim rockets work in a vacuum.
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2016, 01:30:51 AM »
25 posts in & not one shill can cite one bit of science to support their case...

Damnit, Papa.

http://web.mit.edu/16.00/www/aec/rocket.html

"The rocket pushes on the gas, and the gas in turn pushes on the rocket. With rockets, the action is the expelling of gas out of the engine. The reaction is the movement of the rocket in the opposite direction."

Remember like that man on a skateboard analogy you enjoy so much.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2016, 01:36:07 AM by disputeone »
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this.

The reason I am consistently personally attacked here.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1960160#msg1960160