Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3630 on: February 02, 2019, 02:32:11 AM »
scepti needs to stop farting around in ICMB thread and finish his theory.
post experiment on youtube already

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« Reply #3631 on: February 10, 2019, 03:20:36 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.

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« Reply #3632 on: February 10, 2019, 03:22:58 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3633 on: February 10, 2019, 03:24:13 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.

simple and basic scenario.
if you could provide a diagram, showing how the force coming from the upper atmosphere, how it transmits through the roof of the house, through the 2nd floor, to push an object down.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3634 on: February 10, 2019, 03:27:19 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?
Because your scales are part of that atmospheric change.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3635 on: February 10, 2019, 03:29:49 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?
Because your scales are part of that atmospheric change.
In what way, please explain.  The manufacturers data do not refer to that.  How would you calibrate them?

The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2019, 03:31:53 PM by inquisitive »

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3636 on: February 10, 2019, 03:36:13 PM »


The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3637 on: February 10, 2019, 04:25:34 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.

Magnetism.
If "deserving" time was a factor for responding on these forums, then no one would be here posting.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3638 on: February 10, 2019, 04:53:50 PM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?
Because your scales are part of that atmospheric change.

Youre getting ahead of yourself.
Stick to the basics.
Diagram.
House.
Atmosphere.
How does it go through the roof?

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Themightykabool

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3639 on: February 10, 2019, 04:54:48 PM »
Key wrod.
THROUGH.

your previous shtass diagram was akin to saying denp = denp.
Show it properly.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3640 on: February 10, 2019, 06:10:35 PM »
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3641 on: February 10, 2019, 06:33:04 PM »
If I have a bell jar vacuum chamber and rotate it horizontally, mounting the base to a wall. Evacuate the air, how does the bell jar stay pressed against the base on the wall and not fall to the ground and smash?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3642 on: February 10, 2019, 06:46:22 PM »
Youre getting ahead of yourself.
Stick to the basics.
Diagram.
House.
Atmosphere.
How does it go through the roof?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg2093612#msg2093612

Amazingly it takes a little while to explain a model from scratch. Spamming the most basic thing in such a patronising manner doesn't achieve anything. Short version, imagine stacking some balls in a pyramid shape, then sliding a thin sheet in the middle of that pyramid between the balls, horizontally. The shape below does not change. That's my understanding at least.
The question, then, should be what causes that structure and why it acts to cause gravity. The two are equivalent questions. Go learn the model and come back rather than expecting Scepti to do all the work.

The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Aside from how, in context, he doesn't necessarily seem to be saying it does, how about you take the radical step of providing some evidence that there is no connection rather than just asserting? For all let's be real pretty much anyone reading this knows, there might have been no study to even try to find a connection.
Alternatively, if you don't want to actually go so far as justifying your claims, you could shut up and stop telling Scepti what his model is.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3643 on: February 10, 2019, 08:08:49 PM »
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Aside from how, in context, he doesn't necessarily seem to be saying it does,
And how do you work that out?
Inquisitive quite clearly said: "The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure" and sceptimatic just as clearly said "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work".
How else would you interpret "Everything"?

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how about you take the radical step of providing some evidence that there is no connection rather than just asserting? For all let's be real pretty much anyone reading this knows, there might have been no study to even try to find a connection.
Since you clearly know nothing about the mechanism of the "piezoelectric effect" and sceptimatic never takes the slightest notice of evidence, why bother?

The piezoelectric effect can be used to measure air pressure simply because it is a response to strain but a claim like "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work" is ridiculous.

The piezoelectric effect was commonly used in low-cost record players and in quartz crystal oscillators which perform better in a vacuum.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3644 on: February 10, 2019, 11:08:01 PM »
I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.

Magnetism.
To understand magnetism you have to understand why a magnet can be demagnetised by certain happenings, like heat and shock.
The clue is in why.
See if you can understand why using what I've already stated many times.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3645 on: February 10, 2019, 11:10:30 PM »
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3646 on: February 10, 2019, 11:19:18 PM »
If I have a bell jar vacuum chamber and rotate it horizontally, mounting the base to a wall. Evacuate the air, how does the bell jar stay pressed against the base on the wall and not fall to the ground and smash?
Because the wall is your foundation now.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3647 on: February 10, 2019, 11:34:59 PM »
If I have a bell jar vacuum chamber and rotate it horizontally, mounting the base to a wall. Evacuate the air, how does the bell jar stay pressed against the base on the wall and not fall to the ground and smash?
Because the wall is your foundation now.

How did the stacking molecules realize they needed to push horizontally to keep the bell jar pushed against the base on the wall rather than pushing down to smash it into the ground? In other words, how did they figure out I made a new foundation for something and accept the challenge and react accordingly?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3648 on: February 10, 2019, 11:42:35 PM »
Youre getting ahead of yourself.
Stick to the basics.
Diagram.
House.
Atmosphere.
How does it go through the roof?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg2093612#msg2093612

Amazingly it takes a little while to explain a model from scratch. Spamming the most basic thing in such a patronising manner doesn't achieve anything. Short version, imagine stacking some balls in a pyramid shape, then sliding a thin sheet in the middle of that pyramid between the balls, horizontally. The shape below does not change. That's my understanding at least.
The question, then, should be what causes that structure and why it acts to cause gravity. The two are equivalent questions. Go learn the model and come back rather than expecting Scepti to do all the work.



i am patronizing because his use of language is arrogant and patronizing.
"think about it" and "it's obivous to see" as he likes to say.

and amazingly we've all understood the basic concept, ffs.
it's his basic concept makes no sense.

but it's his theory.
he should have done the work by now.
he's had long enough to provide the simplest basic diagram.
did you see his diagram from a few weeks ago?!?!?!?!

amazingly let's take your comment.
"you slide a thin sheet of paper in between".

let's say that this sheet is actually a super rigid piece of steel.

let's take the sheet and slide it vertically.
we all understand the balls will apply a pressure sideways onto the sheet.
as per std universe pressure.

let's slide the sheet horizontally.
then remove the balls directly beneath the center of the sheet.
it's still rigid enough to support the "stack" above.
so...then what?
how do things below the sheet get pushed down?

let's make the sheet a box or cylinder - like scuba gear or a vaccum chamber.
objects inside can weigh the same as they always do, regardless of pressure changes.
according to him - vaccuuum chambers are fakenews.
you're really going to support this tinfoil hat theory?

let's talk about rockets.
he claims if rocket flys straight up.
and only straight up, he'll create a stacked spring of molecules of air that will compress and bounce the rocket back to earth.
the molecules aren't free flowing if a rocket flies straight up "plumb".
apparently fluids don't flow and if i jumped from a high enough building "plumb" down, i could stack the air against myself and come to a stop when i've achieved consistnet speed "max thrust" aka terminal veloctiy.
does that make sense?

or in the most basic sense, things don't fall at a predictable rate of 9.8m/s/s.
basic measurable phenomenon of things falling...don't exist.
right......

there
amazingly disproven.
draw it out.

come on jane.
the theory is the theory.
that's fine.
he has a theory.
but attempting to defend it is ridiculous.
it has no merit.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3649 on: February 11, 2019, 12:05:33 AM »
If I have a bell jar vacuum chamber and rotate it horizontally, mounting the base to a wall. Evacuate the air, how does the bell jar stay pressed against the base on the wall and not fall to the ground and smash?
Because the wall is your foundation now.

Now I’ve read most of what you’ve written about denpressure and still find it hard to understand how you hold on to that idea like a bulldog on a steak......and here is why.

The industrial revolution started as you know in the mid 1700s. What started it was the discovery of turning chemical energy into mechanical, coal into work done. It also generated a huge interest in all things to do with heat engines,, and to fully understand how these machines worked and the theory behind them. Boyle and his laws discovered eighty or so years before were pretty fundemental to the development of the steam engine in the mid to late 1700s. Others built on this knowledge like Jacques Charles and Gay-Lussac.  The outcome was a refinement and improvement of all types of heat engines as the science behind them were better understood.

The way in which the expansion of gasses relate to changes in temperature and pressure and the best way to then extract energy and ultimately produce work is now extremely well understood and has been responsible for building the economies of all the major industrial nations.

.....and then there is you and your ideas that are at odds with over 200 years of science and engineering as well as the way in which every heat engine ever made works. Even your own car engine works despite what you say about how gasses behave.

Do you never stop and think for a moment then look around you and see the world and how it works, contrary to what you believe.

Our understanding of how gasses behave under different conditions was incremental, built on experimentation and observation. You on the other hand have produced this idea, you call denpressure out of nowhere basec on no more than a dubious set of beliefs!

Do you never stop and think that you may be wrong?


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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3650 on: February 11, 2019, 12:45:05 AM »

This is especially true if the area of contention is something readily observed and has a fundemental role in every day technology. The example I gave was denpressure and how it is in direct conflict with all the known laws on gasses, which every heat engine on the planet operates under. By heat engine I mean any mechanism that transforms chemical/ heat energy in mechanical. This is an old and proven technology that is well understood. Our understanding of how  gasses behave is also central to many basic technologies such as refrigeration.

In a situation like this where one man with no track record in science wants to over turn two centuries of experimentation, observation and experience is on the face of it doomed to failure regardless of the strength of the individuals conviction or belief. It’s doubly problematic when said creator of denpressure denies the existance of something many people have had direct experience of, vacuums or vacuum chambers to be precise. It’s a bit of a red flag.

On the face of it, how likely is it that denpressure is correct given our observations of the world and how it works when compared to what is offered as proof by denpressure?

I can explain it all using denpressure.
Give me any scenario and I'll explain it. What I won't do is play around with equations that are not needed in order to explain.
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?
Because your scales are part of that atmospheric change.
How, in what way?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3651 on: February 11, 2019, 01:22:02 AM »
Why do my electronic scales show the same weight of an object despite the local atmospheric pressure varying by 10%?

Actually they don't.  If your scales are sensitive enough you have to make corrections for atmospheric buoyancy changes as the pressure changes causes the air density to vary.

This is just me being pedantic,  the correction has nothing whatsoever to do with scepti's denspressure theory. 

http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/buoycornote.pdf
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3652 on: February 11, 2019, 03:49:30 AM »
And how do you work that out?
By taking the radical step of clicking through to the source quote.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67582.msg2145138#msg2145138

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Since you clearly know nothing about the mechanism of the "piezoelectric effect" and sceptimatic never takes the slightest notice of evidence, why bother?

The piezoelectric effect can be used to measure air pressure simply because it is a response to strain but a claim like "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work" is ridiculous.
Why?

I don't know why you'd bother. The fact is you are. if you're going to bother making a claim, you should 'bother' justifying it, otherwise what is the point?

and amazingly we've all understood the basic concept, ffs.
it's his basic concept makes no sense.
You say, and then proceed to demonstrate an utter lack of understanding of the concept. Instead of assuming you know everything, shut up and listen, or shut up and go away if you can't be bothered to do that. You aren't achieving anything otherwise.

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let's take the sheet and slide it vertically.
we all understand the balls will apply a pressure sideways onto the sheet.
as per std universe pressure.
Not to the same extent. See: the actual contents of the model.

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let's slide the sheet horizontally.
then remove the balls directly beneath the center of the sheet.
Doing that's the hard part. One could just as easily say 'then remove all the electrons' if we start dealing with typical physics. Speculation only goes so far if it can't be put into practise.

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let's make the sheet a box or cylinder - like scuba gear or a vaccum chamber.
objects inside can weigh the same as they always do, regardless of pressure changes.
according to him - vaccuuum chambers are fakenews.
you're really going to support this tinfoil hat theory?
Seriously. You need to learn the difference between calling out a bad argument against a model, and supporting that model. By your logic you should be defending the argument "I have a round cushion, therefore the Earth is round!" because if you call that out for bad logic, you'd be supporting FET  :o
My objection is when you fail to mount any actual argument, and instead rely on misunderstanding, straw man and assertion. My understanding is that measured weight will always be the same because resistive forces on the scales will be comparably reduced, and that vacuum chambers cannot evacuate a location completely. If you want to object to that, you need more than "But they do!" You need an observation that he can't explain. You aren't providing that. You cannot pretend that you are providing that. You have something that doesn't make sense to you, you have his explanation, but you aren't saying what's wrong with it and are just brushing it off as a tinfoil hat theory, too ridiculous to bother with. Which, whatever, you do you, but don't get into a debate thread if you don't want to bother with the topic of debate.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3653 on: February 11, 2019, 04:21:34 AM »
wow jane
really?
these are all strawman arguements?
how so.

vacuum chamber drop test.
the chamber is evacuated to near nothing.
how is that a strawman?
feather doesnt' flutter proves there is little no air.
i could put a mouse in there and it would die.
so what's not real about vacuum chambers?
you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

his bullsht diagram of how denP works
he literaly drew a house and said denP is everywhere.
that's his whole arguement.
then his whole counter argument is everything is a "dupe" because it is.

that's a valid argument?
come on now.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3654 on: February 11, 2019, 04:27:49 AM »
wow jane
really?
these are all strawman arguements?
how so.
How about reading my bloody post rather than once more ignoring absolutely everything that anyone else says to go off on a ramble?
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3655 on: February 11, 2019, 04:29:06 AM »
And how do you work that out?
By taking the radical step of clicking through to the source quote.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67582.msg2145138#msg2145138
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion since the only mentions of "piezoelectric effect" were in:

The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
And in:
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
And sceptimatic twice claims that "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure" which is a patently ridiculous claim. Get used to it!

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Slemon

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3656 on: February 11, 2019, 04:33:37 AM »
And how do you work that out?
By taking the radical step of clicking through to the source quote.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67582.msg2145138#msg2145138
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion since the only mentions of "piezoelectric effect" were in:
Was by Inquisitive, not Scepti, in the quoted post. Seriously, I just linked it. What are you talking about? You've got the source right there.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3657 on: February 11, 2019, 04:38:52 AM »
wow jane
really?
these are all strawman arguements?
how so.
How about reading my bloody post rather than once more ignoring absolutely everything that anyone else says to go off on a ramble?

i did read it.
point out the strawman arguements

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Slemon

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3658 on: February 11, 2019, 04:58:14 AM »
i did read it.
point out the strawman arguements
Not listening to a word anybody said about how vacuum chambers would work for one.

Vacuum chambers evacuated to near nothing - ok, how would this be determined under denpressure?
"feather doesnt' flutter proves there is little no air.
i could put a mouse in there and it would die."
How does this demonstrate what you claim it does under denpressure? The former, to me, just indicates a lack of a force, while the latter need only mean there's not enough oxygen, which if you got to know how denpressure molecules behave under low pressures really isn't that surprising.

If you can't justify bit under denpressure you're not refuting it, you're just assuming it's not the case.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #3659 on: February 11, 2019, 05:05:53 AM »
And how do you work that out?
By taking the radical step of clicking through to the source quote.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67582.msg2145138#msg2145138
I fail to see how you come to that conclusion since the only mentions of "piezoelectric effect" were in:
Was by Inquisitive, not Scepti, in the quoted post. Seriously, I just linked it. What are you talking about? You've got the source right there.
Sure, but look in:

The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
In response to "The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure" sceptimatic answers "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work".

And look in:
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure.
Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work.
Again in response to "The piezoelectric effect is not related to atmospheric pressure." sceptimatic answers "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work".

Even apart from the "piezoelectric effect" the claim that "Everything is related to atmospheric pressure in order to work" is simply idiotic and if you cannot see and admit that run away and play were-pigeons or whatever"!