Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

No. there is more ATMOSPHERE, not more pressure.

That is assuming that size of container is the only variable.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 01:23:53 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 12:18:59 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 12:14:43 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 12:02:36 AM

Denpressure fits this world perfectly

Bullshit. 20 bucks of tubing can  show you it is retarded

Saying 20 bucks of tubing can prove different does not prove different.
How about telling me how you'd go about proving what I say is wrong.

no one can prove ANYTHING to you for the same reason you cannot convince a fool. You lack the intellectual integrity. Denpressures is bad science fiction with is idiotic jawbreaker alternatives for atoms and molecules which are seemingly sentient in their actions. In addition denpressure requires gases to move absolutely contrary to the way we know it they do.

But the real moronicity of your stupid hypothesis is that it is utterly unworkable outside of our own planet. Just because you THINK there are no other planets or space travel does not mean it is so.

In fact the ONLY evidence you have provided is your own incredulity - which is not evidence. It is simply ignorance and stupidity, which you ahve in spades.

Would you like to tell me what you have physically observed to prove your bullshit?
I don't mean films and documentaries and such. I mean what you know for certain about your world.

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.
We are all naive and gullible but some of us attempt to make sure we don't continually get bitten.
You must love the mainstream wasp stings.

It's been done to death, scepti-moron.

Ships over the horizon.
Satellites
Space travel
Photos
Sun setting and rising.

and 10,000 other things.

In the meantime your approach to molecules sounds sadly reminiscent of the move the Langoliers.

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:15:38 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

No. there is more ATMOSPHERE, not more pressure.

That is assuming that size of container is the only variable.

more atmosphere??

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on August 31, 2016, 02:05:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

But you are very willing to believe an oblate spheroid can just spin in a vacuum around a 870,000 mile diameter ball of burning nuclear fire that is 93 million miles away and believe a fictional force called gravity warps this vacuum and allows everything to spin around each other like balls going down a funnel  but not managing to fall into it.

I could go on and on and on about it all but you get my gist. the scary part is you would rather believe all that because people in white coats told you so.
You then jump up in a frenzy when you're told you're believing in crap and shout, " WE know the calculations and they're correct."
The truth is, you know what you've been coaxed into knowing, by those that want you to follow their path.

Anything else becomes lunacy to you.
If you're told by mainstream so called scientists that jupiter has turned out to be 12 inches in diameter, you people would accept it as well as all the fanny that goes along with it.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

No. there is more ATMOSPHERE, not more pressure.

That is assuming that size of container is the only variable.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:23:18 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on August 31, 2016, 02:05:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

But you are very willing to believe an oblate spheroid can just spin in a vacuum around a 870,000 mile diameter ball of burning nuclear fire that is 93 million miles away and believe a fictional force called gravity warps this vacuum and allows everything to spin around each other like balls going down a funnel  but not managing to fall into it.

I could go on and on and on about it all but you get my gist. the scary part is you would rather believe all that because people in white coats told you so.
You then jump up in a frenzy when you're told you're believing in crap and shout, " WE know the calculations and they're correct."
The truth is, you know what you've been coaxed into knowing, by those that want you to follow their path.

Anything else becomes lunacy to you.
If you're told by mainstream so called scientists that jupiter has turned out to be 12 inches in diameter, you people would accept it as well as all the fanny that goes along with it.

the difference is that WE PERSONALLY can verify most of these things by simply using telescopes. It isnt that hard if you have at least half a brain.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

yes

Denpressure can only work if you imagine a completely different universe to the one we inhabit where the laws of physics are all completely different to ours and even the concept of 'physical laws' is different.

Janes comments that all moledules want to expand but molecules near a hole are not going to expand because of their own volition,

On the face of it Jane is talking like sceptimatic and I am believing she walks like sceptimatic.     Then we get all the shit about us being gullible, brainwashed not wanting to have a hypothetical discussion blah blah blah.

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:27:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:23:18 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on August 31, 2016, 02:05:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

But you are very willing to believe an oblate spheroid can just spin in a vacuum around a 870,000 mile diameter ball of burning nuclear fire that is 93 million miles away and believe a fictional force called gravity warps this vacuum and allows everything to spin around each other like balls going down a funnel  but not managing to fall into it.

I could go on and on and on about it all but you get my gist. the scary part is you would rather believe all that because people in white coats told you so.
You then jump up in a frenzy when you're told you're believing in crap and shout, " WE know the calculations and they're correct."
The truth is, you know what you've been coaxed into knowing, by those that want you to follow their path.

Anything else becomes lunacy to you.
If you're told by mainstream so called scientists that jupiter has turned out to be 12 inches in diameter, you people would accept it as well as all the fanny that goes along with it.

the difference is that WE PERSONALLY can verify most of these things by simply using telescopes. It isnt that hard if you have at least half a brain.

You can't verify anything using telescopes. You can verify what you're being told by parroting it and that's it.

You can observe lights and such and be told what and how they are. that's all you can go on because you have not a clue what they are, except to be told they are 100/1000/1000,000 light year stars and planets and such hogwash.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:34:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

yes

Ok do you agree we can use water as an analogy to atmospheric pressure despite water not compressing like atmospheric pressure?

If so I'll explain it all with the water and you just might grasp it.
Fair enough ?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:33:36 AM

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:27:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:23:18 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on August 31, 2016, 02:05:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

But you are very willing to believe an oblate spheroid can just spin in a vacuum around a 870,000 mile diameter ball of burning nuclear fire that is 93 million miles away and believe a fictional force called gravity warps this vacuum and allows everything to spin around each other like balls going down a funnel  but not managing to fall into it.

I could go on and on and on about it all but you get my gist. the scary part is you would rather believe all that because people in white coats told you so.
You then jump up in a frenzy when you're told you're believing in crap and shout, " WE know the calculations and they're correct."
The truth is, you know what you've been coaxed into knowing, by those that want you to follow their path.

Anything else becomes lunacy to you.
If you're told by mainstream so called scientists that jupiter has turned out to be 12 inches in diameter, you people would accept it as well as all the fanny that goes along with it.

the difference is that WE PERSONALLY can verify most of these things by simply using telescopes. It isnt that hard if you have at least half a brain.

You can't verify anything using telescopes. You can verify what you're being told by parroting it and that's it.

You can observe lights and such and be told what and how they are. that's all you can go on because you have not a clue what they are, except to be told they are 100/1000/1000,000 light year stars and planets and such hogwash.

you sound like a time-traveller from 500BC.  Except that they are more open-minded.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:36:46 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:34:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

yes

Ok do you agree we can use water as an analogy to atmospheric pressure despite water not compressing like atmospheric pressure?

If so I'll explain it all with the water and you just might grasp it.
Fair enough ?

You cannot use air as an analogy to atmospheric pressure.  Water as an analogy does not make any sense either.

analogy

    a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
     a correspondence or partial similarity.
      a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
        "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

Whatever you are trying to communicate to me is totally unclear to me.

You began with this:

>>Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

The atmospheric pressure inside my small office is the same as the atmospheric pressure in my larger lounge.

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:43:46 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:33:36 AM

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:27:02 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:23:18 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on August 31, 2016, 02:05:17 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 01:30:33 AM

I won't call you stupid. I will call you gullible and extremely naive in SPADES.

Well, nobody is yet naive enough to believe a story about the north pole being a giant invisible mountain with a sun sized electrode shining through a magic crystal onto an invisible ice dome.  Not even you. 

But you are very willing to believe an oblate spheroid can just spin in a vacuum around a 870,000 mile diameter ball of burning nuclear fire that is 93 million miles away and believe a fictional force called gravity warps this vacuum and allows everything to spin around each other like balls going down a funnel  but not managing to fall into it.

I could go on and on and on about it all but you get my gist. the scary part is you would rather believe all that because people in white coats told you so.
You then jump up in a frenzy when you're told you're believing in crap and shout, " WE know the calculations and they're correct."
The truth is, you know what you've been coaxed into knowing, by those that want you to follow their path.

Anything else becomes lunacy to you.
If you're told by mainstream so called scientists that jupiter has turned out to be 12 inches in diameter, you people would accept it as well as all the fanny that goes along with it.

the difference is that WE PERSONALLY can verify most of these things by simply using telescopes. It isnt that hard if you have at least half a brain.

You can't verify anything using telescopes. You can verify what you're being told by parroting it and that's it.

You can observe lights and such and be told what and how they are. that's all you can go on because you have not a clue what they are, except to be told they are 100/1000/1000,000 light year stars and planets and such hogwash.

you sound like a time-traveller from 500BC.  Except that they are more open-minded.

I don't believe in time travel, except the travel in man made watch/clock time travel in the present. But, each to their own.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:45:06 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:36:46 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:34:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

yes

Ok do you agree we can use water as an analogy to atmospheric pressure despite water not compressing like atmospheric pressure?

If so I'll explain it all with the water and you just might grasp it.
Fair enough ?

You cannot use air as an analogy to atmospheric pressure.  Water as an analogy does not make any sense either.

analogy

    a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
     a correspondence or partial similarity.
      a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
        "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

Whatever you are trying to communicate to me is totally unclear to me.

You began with this:

>>Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

The atmospheric pressure inside my small office is the same as the atmospheric pressure in my larger lounge.

To think we've got this far and you still cannot grasp the absolute basics and not only that, you will not allow yourself to dare to understand any of it.
I understand now that you are dead set against it and have no ability or wish to grasp any of it.

Your prerogative of course but it saves me wasting my time on you.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:45:06 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:36:46 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:34:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:29:15 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:18:16 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You claimed Brian cox is an actor, because of something to do with the impossibility of creating a very large low pressure chamber.

ten pages later I have no idea how you have created that idea.   I am really trying to find out.

You can create a surprisingly low pressure of 0.0231Atm using only water and a very long pipe in any size of chamber.

So what are you talking about.  Not one single person here knows what you are talking about.      Jane is most likely you and simply parrots your nonsense.

Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

What does it mean there is more atmospheric pressure?    Atmospheric pressure is a reference pressure.  Other pressures are more or less than atmospheric pressure.

Ok I'll have to revert back to water.
Do you think there's more water in a full large container than a small full container of water?

yes

Ok do you agree we can use water as an analogy to atmospheric pressure despite water not compressing like atmospheric pressure?

If so I'll explain it all with the water and you just might grasp it.
Fair enough ?

You cannot use air as an analogy to atmospheric pressure.  Water as an analogy does not make any sense either.

analogy

    a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
     a correspondence or partial similarity.
      a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects.
        "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

Whatever you are trying to communicate to me is totally unclear to me.

You began with this:

>>Do you agree that there is more atmospheric pressure inside a larger container?

The atmospheric pressure inside my small office is the same as the atmospheric pressure in my larger lounge.

To think we've got this far and you still cannot grasp the absolute basics and not only that, you will not allow yourself to dare to understand any of it.
I understand now that you are dead set against it and have no ability or wish to grasp any of it.

Your prerogative of course but it saves me wasting my time on you.

Serious questions, scepti.

is there ANYTHING you believe in completely that you cannot personally prove?

Is there anything you believe that you cannot personally understand?

1+1 will always make 2. Imagining otherwise does not make it true. your entire denpressure is built on existing FACTS not being true.

Denpressure fits this world perfectly well when looked at in the way it should be looked at.
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Quote from: fliggs on August 30, 2016, 07:45:15 PM

Denpressure can only work if you imagine a completely different universe to the one we inhabit where the laws of physics are all completely different to ours and even the concept of 'physical laws' is different.

Your point? That's the fun part.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 30, 2016, 08:07:47 PM

Janes comments that all moledules want to expand but molecules near a hole are not going to expand because of their own volition,

No, I said the opposite. They will expand. They just can't push themselves, and it takes other molecules to actually push them out through the hole. Yet again you're conflating two separate things even after I asked you not to. This might be why you're struggling to understand, well, anything: you've decided it's an affront against nature and are refusing to even read. I mean seriously, how do you read "The molecules adjacent to the hole expand into it," and conclude I'm saying they don't expand?!

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On the face of it Jane is talking like sceptimatic and I am believing she walks like sceptimatic.     Then we get all the shit about us being gullible, brainwashed not wanting to have a hypothetical discussion blah blah blah.

I never said any of that. I just think it's silly to come to a FE site and just repeat the same few things over and over and over when it doesn't achieve anything. May as well actually engage with what they have to say, and have a bit of fun in figuring out and comprehending their models.

If you cannot use the language of other humans then nobody will understand you.

Atmospheric pressure has a specific meaning which is known to people trained in that technical language.

Whatever you are trying to communicate to me is unknown to me and is going to be unknown to all humans who are trained to understand technical language.

Jane, if you think it is amusing to talk about a strange world that is totally different to this one and interact with me as if you are living in that strange world then there is nothing you can do to help me understand why Sceptimatic thinks Brian cox is a trained actor.

You appear to be saying sceptimatic is totally insane.    I am more interested in understanding how he has become the way he is rather than entering his unreal world as if it were real.   That kind of thing is far too nerdy for me.  I am a practical, hands on kind of person, rather than somebody who is amused by fantasy.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 12:02:36 AM

Denpressure fits this world perfectly well when looked at in the way it should be looked at.
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It does not fit until you can produce some real experiments and you got some so called peer reviews. It means you must get quite some people aboard before it starts to fit even a little.

Quote from: Aliveandkicking on August 31, 2016, 02:56:21 AM

If you cannot use the language of other humans then nobody will understand you.

Atmospheric pressure has a specific meaning which is known to people trained in that technical language.

Whatever you are trying to communicate to me is unknown to me and is going to be unknown to all humans who are trained to understand technical language.

Trained is the right word.
What you should be doing is training your own mind to see past the severe indoctrination that your life has been based upon and start to think for yourself.

If you can't work from the very basics then your life is nothing more than a walking mind fantasy that is handed to you on a plate and which has robbed you of the ability to actually use your own brain in a capacity  for your own science. Your own searching. Your own satisfaction.

Quote from: zork on August 31, 2016, 03:02:33 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 31, 2016, 12:02:36 AM

Denpressure fits this world perfectly well when looked at in the way it should be looked at.
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It does not fit until you can produce some real experiments and you got some so called peer reviews. It means you must get quite some people aboard before it starts to fit even a little.

The more you live by this attitude, the more you lose out of personal thought. You act like a programmed robot. That's how you are trained to act and you can't think past it because you dare not. You are terrified of the very peers that you advocate me putting my model in front of.

You are extremely weak minded.

In the meantime your approach to molecules sounds sadly reminiscent of the move the Langoliers.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 31, 2016, 01:49:47 AM

Would YOU like to tell me what you have observed to justify YOUR bullshit??

You have a lot of nerve criticizing him when you can't even tell me anything verifiable about how the sun works in your model.

How about you answer the same question, because you people are hitting me with exactly the same stuff, Mr hypocritical.

Quote from: fliggs on August 31, 2016, 02:05:28 AM

In the meantime your approach to molecules sounds sadly reminiscent of the move the Langoliers.