Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #750 on: August 22, 2016, 02:04:18 PM »
Also what is inertia.
Scepti, inertia is simply the tendency for things to not change.  You know, sorta like your tendency to not accept a simple definition of inertia.
Tell me what inertia is.
A tendency for things not to change explains nothing.
Well, I'm not sure if I can explain it any simpler.  A simple block of wood sitting on the floor isn't going to move unless someone or something does something to move it, right?
A block of wood isn't going to move until something moves it. So what is the inertia part?
The inertia part is the part where the block of wood won't move until something moves it.  What might be confusing you is that inertia is something of an abstract concept.
Ahh ok, so you're saying that it's just a saying that literally has no real meaning.
No, that isn't what abstract means.  Abstract concepts are real, they just aren't tangible.  Inertia is just as real as emotions or ideas.

So inertia is basically just a saying for the none movement of an object, or am I getting it wrong again?
I think that you're getting closer.  Inertia is saying that if an object isn't moving, then it won't move unless something moves it.  It also says that if an object is moving, then it will keep moving in a straight line unless something tries to change it.

Essentially, inertia is the abstract property of an object's resistance to change.
So basically in a nutshell we can change inertia to resistance.

Inertia is merely resistance, right?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #751 on: August 22, 2016, 02:24:18 PM »
Also what is inertia.
Scepti, inertia is simply the tendency for things to not change.  You know, sorta like your tendency to not accept a simple definition of inertia.
Tell me what inertia is.
A tendency for things not to change explains nothing.
Well, I'm not sure if I can explain it any simpler.  A simple block of wood sitting on the floor isn't going to move unless someone or something does something to move it, right?
A block of wood isn't going to move until something moves it. So what is the inertia part?
The inertia part is the part where the block of wood won't move until something moves it.  What might be confusing you is that inertia is something of an abstract concept.
Ahh ok, so you're saying that it's just a saying that literally has no real meaning.
No, that isn't what abstract means.  Abstract concepts are real, they just aren't tangible.  Inertia is just as real as emotions or ideas.

So inertia is basically just a saying for the none movement of an object, or am I getting it wrong again?
I think that you're getting closer.  Inertia is saying that if an object isn't moving, then it won't move unless something moves it.  It also says that if an object is moving, then it will keep moving in a straight line unless something tries to change it.

Essentially, inertia is the abstract property of an object's resistance to change.
So basically in a nutshell we can change inertia to resistance.

Inertia is merely resistance, right?
Not merely resistance, but resistance to change in motion.  Friction is resistance, but it isn't the same as inertia.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #752 on: August 22, 2016, 03:01:36 PM »
Scepti I hope this video helps explain inertia. It is from a children's show, so it should be around your speed.


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« Reply #753 on: August 22, 2016, 03:18:23 PM »
I'll make it a little easier for you.

You tell me what happens from start to finish when a chamber is being evacuated of atmospheric pressure.
Explain it all in your own words. Do not copy and paste anything.
Also give me an analogy as to what and why it happens.
  Chamber is initially full of air or some other gas. When chamber is being evacuated then gas molecules are evacuated from chamber. End result is less air/gas molecules in chamber when there was at first. I don't know why you insist that athmospheric pressure is evacuated. For my knowledge gases consist of molecules not from pressure. As for analogy... I quite don't understand what you want. If you want balls then take room full of small balls and start sucking them out with some vacuum pump. Depends how powerful or good pump you have and at the end you have just some balls in room and majority of them outside.
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« Reply #754 on: August 22, 2016, 09:54:32 PM »
THIS IS NOT copy / paste.
I AM writing my own words.

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Inertia:

the word "inertia" comes from Latin and basically describes "inactivity" or "lack of willingness".
People use that word to say that things don't have their own will.
Things won't change status by themselves. Not speed (whether zero or some other speed), not direction.

If you leave things standing still, they will stand still all the time, until some force moves them.
Things won't move by themselves.

If you leave things moving, they will keep moving in straight line at same speed all the time,
until some froce changes their direction, or speed. Most of the time what slows and stops them is friction.
Things won't change direction or speed by themselves.

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Gas evacuation:

Gasses are always on some temperature. It means their molecules have energy (speed), they fly in all directions,
bouncing from one another and from chamber walls. Outside air molecules do the same.
Water will freeze at 32 Fahrenheits.
Air needs much lower temperature even to become liquid, not to menton freeze.
Even in water all molecules move all the time.

If you open chamber door, outside molecules near door will push inner molecules inside, and some will enter with them.
Other molecules from inside will push other outer molecules out and some will exit with them.
Some molecules will get bounced back in, some back out, and some will exchange,
but number of molecules inside will basically not change.
(Give or take couple of molecules, but soon others will replace them.)

It is crowd in and out and at the door.

When you close door, inner molecules bounce inside, outer bounce outside.
You have air pressure inside, and air pressure outside.

Atmospheric pressure is there because bunch of molecules hit walls of chamber, creating force that pushes on those walls.
Molecules also push manometer that measures how big pressure is.

When pump starts working, it grabs portion of air from inside and pushes out.
(Same as helicopter propeller pushes air down.)

Other molecules inside get more room to bounce in longer segments.
Pressing in inside crowd gets lower. Air pressure inside reduces.
Outside is still crowdy.
Without pump, molecules from outside would try to get back in, like in any crowd.

Molecules inside keep bouncing, some get to pump, then pump grabs them and throw them out.
More and more molecules get thrown out, and crowd inside reduces.

Less and less moecules inside hit walls and manometer,
and air pressure inside is smaller and smaller.

Well, last few molecules would take too much time to bounce to pump, but it is too few of them,
and inside the chamber we have almost pure vacuum.

Difference between that and ideal theoretical vacuum is small.

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I hope this will help.

I'm really sorry if it didn't.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #755 on: August 23, 2016, 12:10:29 AM »
You almost have it. You've got the "objects at rest will remain at rest" bit. Now, if I shoot a gun on earth, the bullet will fly out in a straight line.
 It continues going in this straight line until outside forces act upon it (air resistance, gravity, etc.) Once these forces begin acting upon the bullet, it will begin to slow down and curve back toward the earth.
Don't forget the bullet acting against air resistance by applied energy.

Now imagine a slingshot in a pure vacuum (except for the slingshot and its pebble and you, there's nothing else at all, no earth, no sky, no air, nothing at all). If you shoot the slingshot, the pebble will continue along the same path, at the same speed, for all eternity. Since the pebble is moving in a pure vacuum, nothing can slow it down or alter its trajectory.
No, this wouldn't happen, so that scuppers that plan.
Remember on Earth you are under atmospheric resistance and it keeps you pushed to the floor as you push against it.
To use your slingshot in this scenario requires you to have leverage. You gain this leverage with your feet pushed into the ground as you use your energy to use and release the slingshot.
In your so called space vacuum you do not have any leverage so your slingshot is not an effective slingshot. It's not a slingshot at all, because it cannot be operated as one due to no leverage being used to sling shot anything.
All it needs is 5 minutes worth of thought to see I'm correct.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #756 on: August 23, 2016, 12:12:22 AM »
Also what is inertia.
Scepti, inertia is simply the tendency for things to not change.  You know, sorta like your tendency to not accept a simple definition of inertia.
Tell me what inertia is.
A tendency for things not to change explains nothing.
Well, I'm not sure if I can explain it any simpler.  A simple block of wood sitting on the floor isn't going to move unless someone or something does something to move it, right?
A block of wood isn't going to move until something moves it. So what is the inertia part?
The inertia part is the part where the block of wood won't move until something moves it.  What might be confusing you is that inertia is something of an abstract concept.
Ahh ok, so you're saying that it's just a saying that literally has no real meaning.
No, that isn't what abstract means.  Abstract concepts are real, they just aren't tangible.  Inertia is just as real as emotions or ideas.

So inertia is basically just a saying for the none movement of an object, or am I getting it wrong again?
I think that you're getting closer.  Inertia is saying that if an object isn't moving, then it won't move unless something moves it.  It also says that if an object is moving, then it will keep moving in a straight line unless something tries to change it.

Essentially, inertia is the abstract property of an object's resistance to change.
So basically in a nutshell we can change inertia to resistance.

Inertia is merely resistance, right?
Not merely resistance, but resistance to change in motion.  Friction is resistance, but it isn't the same as inertia.
Oh, ok, so tell me what exactly INERTIA is.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #757 on: August 23, 2016, 12:14:07 AM »
I'll make it a little easier for you.

You tell me what happens from start to finish when a chamber is being evacuated of atmospheric pressure.
Explain it all in your own words. Do not copy and paste anything.
Also give me an analogy as to what and why it happens.
  Chamber is initially full of air or some other gas. When chamber is being evacuated then gas molecules are evacuated from chamber. End result is less air/gas molecules in chamber when there was at first. I don't know why you insist that athmospheric pressure is evacuated. For my knowledge gases consist of molecules not from pressure. As for analogy... I quite don't understand what you want. If you want balls then take room full of small balls and start sucking them out with some vacuum pump. Depends how powerful or good pump you have and at the end you have just some balls in room and majority of them outside.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #758 on: August 23, 2016, 12:49:22 AM »
THIS IS NOT copy / paste.
I AM writing my own words.

~~~~~

Inertia:

the word "inertia" comes from Latin and basically describes "inactivity" or "lack of willingness".
So inertia means nothing.


People use that word to say that things don't have their own will.
Things won't change status by themselves. Not speed (whether zero or some other speed), not direction.
so inertia is nothing.

If you leave things standing still, they will stand still all the time, until some force moves them.
Things won't move by themselves.
Again, inertia is nothing.

If you leave things moving, they will keep moving in straight line at same speed all the time,
until some froce changes their direction, or speed. Most of the time what slows and stops them is friction.
The only way something can keep moving constantly is by use of energy, all of the time, not some or most of the time.
There is always friction acting upon any movement, so if inertia is resistance, then we've figured out what inertia is. It's resistance, so no need for inertia. We can simply use resistance.

Things won't change direction or speed by themselves.
Resistance changes direction or speed.
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Gas evacuation:

Gasses are always on some temperature. It means their molecules have energy (speed), they fly in all directions,
bouncing from one another and from chamber walls.
So how and why does a gas ignite if their molecules are just randomly bouncing about?

Outside air molecules do the same.
What's in between the random bouncing molecules?

Water will freeze at 32 Fahrenheits.
Air needs much lower temperature even to become liquid, not to menton freeze.
Even in water all molecules move all the time.
Are the molecules in water just randomly bouncing about? And are they tightly packed with no free space?


If you open chamber door, outside molecules near door will push inner molecules inside, and some will enter with them.
I'd like you to explain this a bit more just so I'm clear on what you actually mean.

Other molecules from inside will push other outer molecules out and some will exit with them.
Some molecules will get bounced back in, some back out, and some will exchange,
but number of molecules inside will basically not change.
(Give or take couple of molecules, but soon others will replace them.)
A little bit more explanation for this if you don't mind. Basically let me know if your chamber is evacuating or so called evacuated or at equal pressure or at a higher sort of temp. You know, stuff like that. Just so I know what page you're on.


It is crowd in and out and at the door.
Add this in for further explanation.

When you close door, inner molecules bounce inside, outer bounce outside.
You have air pressure inside, and air pressure outside.
Can you explain what you mean by bounce? I mean, do they randomly bounce with free space between them and if so, what makes them bounce?
If you say temperature, the explain how and why this temperature comes about in respect to the bouncing molecules.

Atmospheric pressure is there because bunch of molecules hit walls of chamber, creating force that pushes on those walls.
Molecules also push manometer that measures how big pressure is.
So a random amount of molecules just hit a wall and they push the wall? I assume there's free space behind those molecules, so they're basically of their own free movement. If not then explain what's happening.

When pump starts working, it grabs portion of air from inside and pushes out.
(Same as helicopter propeller pushes air down.)
No it doesn't. How can a pump grab a portion of air from inside of a chamber when the pump is not in that chamber?
It cannot suck air out because there's no such thing as suck in reality. It's all push, so therefore the pump can only push.
Seeing as the pump is external to the chamber then we can see that it does nothing in that chamber, so all of the work and energy applied is working externally. It's pushing atmosphere away from the chamber and allowing a lower pressure to ensue due to it compressing the external atmosphere back to allow the once equalised atmosphere inside the chamber to expand and push on push out of it.
Have a serious think about this because it will ultimately help you understand a hell of a lot and also allow you to see how you've  been lied to.


Other molecules inside get more room to bounce in longer segments.
Pressing in inside crowd gets lower. Air pressure inside reduces.
Outside is still crowdy.
Without pump, molecules from outside would try to get back in, like in any crowd.
You see, you do have a small grip on this  but you just use it the wrong way. Keep looking at my post above and absorb it.

Molecules inside keep bouncing, some get to pump, then pump grabs them and throw them out.
More and more molecules get thrown out, and crowd inside reduces.
Less and less moecules inside hit walls and manometer,
and air pressure inside is smaller and smaller.
Grabs them?
It doesn't matter about this bit. Just look at the post 2 posts back to see what's happening.

Well, last few molecules would take too much time to bounce to pump, but it is too few of them,
and inside the chamber we have almost pure vacuum.
Difference between that and ideal theoretical vacuum is small.

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I hope this will help.

I'm really sorry if it didn't.
Too much time to bounce? And to think, you've got these molecules just bouncing around randomly with so much empty space and yet you don't tell me what's causing these molecules to simply bounce about?


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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #759 on: August 23, 2016, 01:25:51 AM »
I'll make it a little easier for you.

You tell me what happens from start to finish when a chamber is being evacuated of atmospheric pressure.
Explain it all in your own words. Do not copy and paste anything.
Also give me an analogy as to what and why it happens.
  Chamber is initially full of air or some other gas. When chamber is being evacuated then gas molecules are evacuated from chamber. End result is less air/gas molecules in chamber when there was at first. I don't know why you insist that athmospheric pressure is evacuated. For my knowledge gases consist of molecules not from pressure. As for analogy... I quite don't understand what you want. If you want balls then take room full of small balls and start sucking them out with some vacuum pump. Depends how powerful or good pump you have and at the end you have just some balls in room and majority of them outside.
Never come to a gunfight with a knife.
Its better than coming without anything like you. At least you can throw a knife. But seems that you are helpless case. Good luck designing even one useful experiment that remotely supports your hypothesis. I can some back after a year and you still have nothing.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2016, 01:29:41 AM by zork »
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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« Reply #760 on: August 23, 2016, 01:27:14 AM »
I have noticed, sceptimoron that you have failed to answer my question as to what molecules are. You use the word but clearly have no idea. Would you care to entertain us with your predictably tortured and idiotic definition of 'molecules'?

Of course you wont. This goes to the hard of your idiotic trolling.

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« Reply #761 on: August 23, 2016, 01:31:58 AM »
I'll make it a little easier for you.

You tell me what happens from start to finish when a chamber is being evacuated of atmospheric pressure.
Explain it all in your own words. Do not copy and paste anything.
Also give me an analogy as to what and why it happens.
  Chamber is initially full of air or some other gas. When chamber is being evacuated then gas molecules are evacuated from chamber. End result is less air/gas molecules in chamber when there was at first. I don't know why you insist that athmospheric pressure is evacuated. For my knowledge gases consist of molecules not from pressure. As for analogy... I quite don't understand what you want. If you want balls then take room full of small balls and start sucking them out with some vacuum pump. Depends how powerful or good pump you have and at the end you have just some balls in room and majority of them outside.
Never come to a gunfight with a knife.
Its better than coming without anything like you. At least you can throw a knife. But seems that you are helpless case. Good luck designing even one useful experiment that remotely supports your hypothesis. I can some back after a year and you still have nothing.
No problem. I assume you have nothing left to say, right?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #762 on: August 23, 2016, 01:33:43 AM »
I have noticed, sceptimoron that you have failed to answer my question as to what molecules are. You use the word but clearly have no idea. Would you care to entertain us with your predictably tortured and idiotic definition of 'molecules'?

Of course you wont. This goes to the hard of your idiotic trolling.
How about you explain in your own words what molecules are. Explain them in a such a way that they're easy to understand by all. Explain why and how they work.

You people don't know how to actually think. All you know is how to parrot.

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« Reply #763 on: August 23, 2016, 01:34:15 AM »
Scepti I hope this video helps explain inertia. It is from a children's show, so it should be around your speed.



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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #764 on: August 23, 2016, 01:42:23 AM »
Scepti I hope this video helps explain inertia. It is from a children's show, so it should be around your speed.


Nope. It doesn't tell me what inertia is.

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« Reply #765 on: August 23, 2016, 01:45:58 AM »
No problem. I assume you have nothing left to say, right?
No. See you in the year (if I don't forget it) when I come to rub your nose in it that you still have nothing practical to show.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #766 on: August 23, 2016, 01:47:13 AM »
No problem. I assume you have nothing left to say, right?
No. See you in the year (if I don't forget it) when I come to rub your nose in it that you still have nothing practical to show.
Ok, see you around, maybe.

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« Reply #767 on: August 23, 2016, 01:52:40 AM »
Scepti I hope this video helps explain inertia. It is from a children's show, so it should be around your speed.


Nope. It doesn't tell me what inertia is.

Yes it does. It tells you precisely what inertia is. I'm sorry you're too dense to comprehend the subject matter of a children's show.

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« Reply #768 on: August 23, 2016, 02:31:54 AM »
I have noticed, sceptimoron that you have failed to answer my question as to what molecules are. You use the word but clearly have no idea. Would you care to entertain us with your predictably tortured and idiotic definition of 'molecules'?

Of course you wont. This goes to the hard of your idiotic trolling.
How about you explain in your own words what molecules are. Explain them in a such a way that they're easy to understand by all. Explain why and how they work.

You people don't know how to actually think. All you know is how to parrot.

A molecule is the smallest particle in a chemical element or compound that has the chemical properties of that element or compound. Molecules are made up of atoms that are held together by chemical bonds. These bonds form as a result of the sharing or exchange of electron s among atoms.

and now... what is an atom....

Atoms are the basic units of matter and the defining structure of elements. Atoms are made up of three particles: protons, neutrons and electrons.

Protons and neutrons are heavier than electrons and reside in the center of the atom, which is called the nucleus. Electrons are extremely lightweight and exist in a cloud orbiting the nucleus. The electron cloud has a radius 10,000 times greater than the nucleus.

And now... what are the subatomic particles composed of themselves?

We will leave that to another post after you acknowledge or repudiate the above. Which of course you wont/cant because it requires more from you than you can bring to the table.

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« Reply #769 on: August 23, 2016, 02:42:42 AM »
A molecule is the smallest particle in a chemical element or compound that has the chemical properties of that element or compound. Molecules are made up of atoms that are held together by chemical bonds. These bonds form as a result of the sharing or exchange of electron s among atoms.

and now... what is an atom....
I think its useless to explain that to him even when there are chip makers who literally play with atoms and put them in rows or whatever shapes they want. These things doesn't fint in his worldview.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2016, 03:08:21 AM by zork »
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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« Reply #770 on: August 23, 2016, 02:45:54 AM »
A molecule is the smallest particle in a chemical element or compound that has the chemical properties of that element or compound. Molecules are made up of atoms that are held together by chemical bonds. These bonds form as a result of the sharing or exchange of electron s among atoms.

and now... what is an atom....
I think its useless to explain that to him even when there are chip makers who literally play with atoms and put them in rows or whatever shapes they want. These things doesn't fint in his wordview.

I know it is a waste of time. He will not reply on topic. I feel sorry for him in a way. He he very clearly the blown bulb on the Christmas tree of life... at the bottom of the tree... away from the presents.

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« Reply #771 on: August 23, 2016, 03:04:18 AM »
A molecule is the smallest particle in a chemical element or compound that has the chemical properties of that element or compound. Molecules are made up of atoms that are held together by chemical bonds. These bonds form as a result of the sharing or exchange of electron s among atoms.

and now... what is an atom....
I think its useless to explain that to him even when there are chip makers who literally play with atoms and put them in rows or whatever shapes they want. These things doesn't fint in his wordview.

I know it is a waste of time. He will not reply on topic. I feel sorry for him in a way. He he very clearly the blown bulb on the Christmas tree of life... at the bottom of the tree... away from the presents.

Is that your professional opinion, Dr. PhD in Psychology? 

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« Reply #772 on: August 23, 2016, 04:51:51 AM »
It is just scepty said. They know how to parrot thing, but not actually think.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #773 on: August 23, 2016, 05:27:09 AM »
Also what is inertia.
Scepti, inertia is simply the tendency for things to not change.  You know, sorta like your tendency to not accept a simple definition of inertia.
Tell me what inertia is.
A tendency for things not to change explains nothing.
Well, I'm not sure if I can explain it any simpler.  A simple block of wood sitting on the floor isn't going to move unless someone or something does something to move it, right?
A block of wood isn't going to move until something moves it. So what is the inertia part?
The inertia part is the part where the block of wood won't move until something moves it.  What might be confusing you is that inertia is something of an abstract concept.
Ahh ok, so you're saying that it's just a saying that literally has no real meaning.
No, that isn't what abstract means.  Abstract concepts are real, they just aren't tangible.  Inertia is just as real as emotions or ideas.

So inertia is basically just a saying for the none movement of an object, or am I getting it wrong again?
I think that you're getting closer.  Inertia is saying that if an object isn't moving, then it won't move unless something moves it.  It also says that if an object is moving, then it will keep moving in a straight line unless something tries to change it.

Essentially, inertia is the abstract property of an object's resistance to change.
So basically in a nutshell we can change inertia to resistance.

Inertia is merely resistance, right?
Not merely resistance, but resistance to change in motion.  Friction is resistance, but it isn't the same as inertia.
Oh, ok, so tell me what exactly INERTIA is.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #774 on: August 23, 2016, 05:48:12 AM »
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #775 on: August 23, 2016, 08:21:36 AM »
Is that your professional opinion, Dr. PhD in Psychology?

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #776 on: August 23, 2016, 11:26:41 AM »
Inertia is quite easy to understand.

An object will stay still if no force is applied to it. An object will stay in motion unless a force is applied to it. It costs 0 energy for an object to stay still. But it also takes 0 energy for an object to stay in motion.

The only time you need to expend energy is when want to change the speed of its motion. For example: it costs energy to change the speed of an object form 0 Mph to 10 Mph. And it also costs energy to reduce the speed from 10 mph to 5 mph. But it does not cost any energy for an object to keep its current speed (whether that is 0 Mph or 10,000 Mph)

The tendency of matter to stay in the state that it is (either motion or rest) is called inertia.
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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #777 on: August 23, 2016, 06:50:20 PM »
To use your slingshot in this scenario requires you to have leverage. You gain this leverage with your feet pushed into the ground as you use your energy to use and release the slingshot.
The slingshot in question is the type that is held with one hand, and the elastic bands are pulled back with the other hand.  No leverage of the feet against the ground is required.  Try again.

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #778 on: August 23, 2016, 07:16:42 PM »
Scepti I hope this video helps explain inertia. It is from a children's show, so it should be around your speed.


Nope. It doesn't tell me what inertia is.

Yes it does. It tells you precisely what inertia is. I'm sorry you're too dense to comprehend the subject matter of a children's show.
He's done this same thing in the past.  Demands you break it down to a 5 year old level, and then says, "nope, no good".

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Re: Den Pressure - A Definable Hypothesis & Experiments (Scepti, iWitness)
« Reply #779 on: August 23, 2016, 08:03:28 PM »
Inertia means that if you leave gold bar on your porch, it will stay there.
Some force is neede for it to move.
If someone steals it, they can't say "it walked away by itself".

Inertia also means that commet in vacuum will not stop, because there is no air drag (friction with any gasses) to stop it.
However, there is need for gravitational force of the Sun to curve commet's path, otherwise commet would go in straight line.

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Inbetween molecules is vacuum, otherwise they would lose their energy on anything else, and stop.

Pump doesn't have to be inside, gas inside will expand to pump, because new molecules will have more room to bounce there.

In water, molecules DO bounce around. And yes, you're right, they are "packed much tighter".

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Google for Magdeburg Hemispheres.

They were made to fit tight one on another.
When Otto von Guericke joined them and pulled air out, team of horses couldn't separate them.

That's how strong is Air Pressure.

But that pressure works in all directions simultaneously.
Hang one sphere on ceiling, or tree branch, and try to pull other down.

Bottom sphere will stay "suck-stuck" to the top one.
In what direction air pressure pushes bottom sphere?

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Another example.
Take vacuum holder for kitchen rag.
Fasten it to the bottom side of glass shelf.
In what direction air pressure pushes the vacuum holder?
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