Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat

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neutrino

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Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« on: August 01, 2016, 05:01:02 AM »
I'm going to create a kickstarter project for conducting an experiment to prove the FET.
I see that most problematic part is the Antarctica. So what I'm thinking is flight from Chili to Australia via Antarctica. This is most cheap experiment to conduct and its outcome is pretty straightforward:
0) the flight will succeed, i.e. we will see the edge Or we will get to a point where we can't go farther to south and will return
1) the flight will fail, and we will arrive at Australia => The Earth is a globe

I suppose the cost will be within tens of thousands of dollars and as a kickstarter project backer you will get a ticket to the plane! This is pretty cheap, doesn't require any space agency permissions and so on. So why don't we do that? Is there any problem I didn't think about? If not, I'm going to start the project.

I saw some 3 other projects but all of them failed being too costly or complicated to carry out. What do you think?
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 05:06:00 AM »
WOW There is a company that actually does it! 12 hours flight over Antarctica. Not that much money! Some $2000 for business class!!
http://viewer.e-digitaleditions.com/t/177042-2015-16-antarctica-flights
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 06:28:37 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route#Antarctica:
Few airlines fly between cities having a great circle route over Antarctica. Direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, but no airline has scheduled such flights. LAN Airlines flies nonstop between Auckland, Sydney and Santiago, Air New Zealand flies nonstop between Auckland and Buenos Aires starting December 1 2015, and Qantas flies nonstop between Sydney and Santiago, the most southerly polar route. Depending on winds, these reach 55 degrees south latitude, but other times 71 degrees, which is enough to cross the polar ice cap.[19][better source needed]

Depending on the winds, the Qantas flight QF 63 from Sydney to Johannesburg sometimes flies over the Antarctic Circle to latitude 71 degrees as well and allowing views of the icecap.[20]
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 06:38:51 AM »
QF27 and QF28  Sydney SYD to San Diego SCL,  have been the subject of repeated debates,  the travel times are inconsistent with the commonly accepted flat earth map.   

This has led flat earthers to come up with some bizarre theories about those flights,  some even claim the flights don't exist, some claim that the passengers are drugged to distort travel times and on and on it goes,  and so the denial phase kicks in,  they will eventually just ignore the evidence,  fair enough I guess what else can they do.


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neutrino

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 07:39:32 AM »
How about a private flight?
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2016, 08:05:58 AM »
How about a private flight?

If you're looking for proof yeah, this would be great.  If you're looking to convince, that might be a bit problematic.  I'm thinking that anybody that actually went on the flight and said "yes FE is definitely broken" is going to be labeled a shill/mistaken/drugged etc. 

More than science FE has to do with psychology.
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neutrino

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2016, 08:11:51 AM »
I want have all those known popular FE-ers aboard! That's it :)
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2016, 09:16:33 AM »
I want have all those known popular FE-ers aboard! That's it :)

I'd love to see that.  God help us if that plane crashes though.  The flat earth meme would never die.
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2016, 12:05:29 AM »
John Davis, would you join the flight?
I'm serious!
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neutrino

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2016, 03:08:51 PM »
If it was so easy to prove something I really believe in, I would grip this opportunity with both hands.
Why Flat Earthers don't try to check their theories?
FET is religion. No evidence will convince a FE-er. It would be easier to convince Muslims they are wrong.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2016, 03:30:40 PM »
They aren't theories. They are beliefs.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2016, 10:28:31 AM »
I have a better idea.
Why not stand on the sea shore and have a look left and right at the wide expanse before your eyes. Then get a nice straight edge and hold it along the horizon...
Granted, it's not quite as elaborate and expensive as your idea. Nevertheless, it's easily done. In fact, you can accomplish the same thing by just looking at a picture - albeit the wide angle view is somewhat lost.


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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2016, 10:42:40 AM »
How about you test a model that could work even in theory?
It's much cheaper to rent a balloon and buy a gravimeter than it is to fly a plane.

The reason we don't talk about the tests we've done is that it wouldn't help. If I told you I'd found evidence in favor of FET, and provided clear and incontrovertible proof, you would just assume I was lying or that I'd made up the numbers. You'd listen if I said I'd flown to Antarctica and observed the 24 hour daylight, you wouldn't listen if I said if I'd used a small gravimeter on the plane and observed sudden jumps in the decrease of gravity.
And most tests that need to be performed are not as accessible, as people have had centuries to shoehorn in explanations for the doable tests.
http://fet.wikia.com
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On the sister site if you want to talk.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2016, 11:56:04 AM »
Actually, it is the other way around.

I wonder how obnoxious I can make my signature?
Please give me ideas.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2016, 10:38:29 AM »
You've got to be kidding...
That picture of "Earth from Space" is one of the most ridiculous on record. Look at the size of those continents! Do you actually believe that "photo" is real?

Thanks NASA, for proving once again it's necessary to falsify the images.


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neutrino

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2016, 01:32:07 PM »
No they are pretty good. I'm somewhere near the center waving my hand. Hello!
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2016, 01:45:44 PM »
Paying the dumb card won't help this one fellas...

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2016, 02:21:55 PM »
Paying the dumb card won't help this one fellas...
Please say exactly what is wrong with them, so we are unable to play the "dumb card"
I wonder how obnoxious I can make my signature?
Please give me ideas.

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2016, 02:28:44 PM »
Paying the dumb card won't help this one fellas...
Please say exactly what is wrong with them, so we are unable to play the "dumb card"

The problem?  It is evidence the Earth is not flat. 

I might as well post these again. Myself and others have every time some FE has a problem with how big or small land mass looks in photos of Earth.






Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2016, 02:48:36 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2016, 03:10:53 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...

It will appear smaller, but then you would crop the image to skip
showing sandwich under the globe in lower left corner.

Do you think that sandwich would help you better undertsand the differences in the view?
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2016, 03:16:04 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...

Go do the experiment yourself if you think there is some shenanigans going on.

If you do not have access to a globe you can play around with Google Earth. Rotate it around, zoom in and out and take screen shots. It is a free application if you do not get the professional version.

Then you can post the results here.


Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2016, 03:25:13 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...
All the pictures are zoomed in in a way that the Earth keeps its size, the only thing that changes is the distance from the camera to the globe.


Flatearthers like to talk about perspective, they still don't know anything about it though...


If it was so easy to prove something I really believe in, I would grip this opportunity with both hands.
Why Flat Earthers don't try to check their theories?

FEers are too afraid of the RE truth and are not brave enough to take that trip...  They already feel that they are wrong but will never open their minds and free themselves from FE nonesense because they have spent too much of their life believing in it...
« Last Edit: August 09, 2016, 03:32:53 PM by DEFIANT »

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2016, 05:08:28 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...
All the pictures are zoomed in in a way that the Earth keeps its size, the only thing that changes is the distance from the camera to the globe.




Flatearthers like to talk about perspective, they still don't know anything about it though...


If it was so easy to prove something I really believe in, I would grip this opportunity with both hands.
Why Flat Earthers don't try to check their theories?

FEers are too afraid of the RE truth and are not brave enough to take that trip...  They already feel that they are wrong but will never open their minds and free themselves from FE nonesense because they have spent too much of their life believing in it...

Let me get this straight... as I move away from the globe, it keeps its original size, only the pictures on it change sizes? Do you actually believe this? That's not even a reasonable attempt at an explanation.

In my 50 years on this earth, I've never witnessed such a thing. I don't need to go to Google earth for proof. When I move away from something, it is then farther away - therefore it appears smaller. That's the way it works. 
I'm sorry, you guys screwed up by posting these pictures. Don't make it worse by defending them. They are indefensible. Admit the truth and let's move on.

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2016, 07:57:12 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...
Don't be so quick with your put down!

Ever heard of different focal length lenses?
Ever heard of zoom lenses?

The size of the image of an object in a photograph depends on:
The actual size of the object (obviously),
The distance from the camera to the object (obviously),
The size of the CCD (image detector in camera - used to be film size) and
The focal length of the lens used.

Many of the different photos of the globe were taken on completely different cameras.
A "standard" 35 mm DLSR with a "standard" 50 mm focal length lens covers a field about 40° wide.
The "polychromatic camera" (EPIC) on the DSCOVR has a "Field of View" about 0.62° wide - it is coupled to a 30 cm Cassegrain telescope.

Why are so many flat earther's so ignorant of the fundamentals of photography?

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2016, 08:41:39 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I take a picture of a globe at one distance, and then move away, the globe will appear smaller in the second picture. Naturally, because it's farther away, it will appear smaller. For some reason, the globe in your picture is the exact same size in each picture. Nice try...
All the pictures are zoomed in in a way that the Earth keeps its size, the only thing that changes is the distance from the camera to the globe.




Flatearthers like to talk about perspective, they still don't know anything about it though...


If it was so easy to prove something I really believe in, I would grip this opportunity with both hands.
Why Flat Earthers don't try to check their theories?

FEers are too afraid of the RE truth and are not brave enough to take that trip...  They already feel that they are wrong but will never open their minds and free themselves from FE nonesense because they have spent too much of their life believing in it...

Let me get this straight... as I move away from the globe, it keeps its original size, only the pictures on it change sizes? Do you actually believe this? That's not even a reasonable attempt at an explanation.

In my 50 years on this earth, I've never witnessed such a thing. I don't need to go to Google earth for proof. When I move away from something, it is then farther away - therefore it appears smaller. That's the way it works. 
I'm sorry, you guys screwed up by posting these pictures. Don't make it worse by defending them. They are indefensible. Admit the truth and let's move on.

Why not take this opportunity to prove it is not perspective.

Get a globe take some pictures from different distances, zooming in and out.  Post those pictures here.

What do you think was done with the pictures I posted?  Did they use different sized globes? Photoshop?  Or is it something else?
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2016, 09:04:00 PM »
Let me get this straight... as I move away from the globe, it keeps its original size, only the pictures on it change sizes? Do you actually believe this? That's not even a reasonable attempt at an explanation.

Have you ever zoomed in on anything? Each photo was taken with greater distance between the globe and the camera. This is due to the fact that the further you go from a globe, the more you can see of it.

Don't believe me? Try it yourself. But don't dismiss it as nonsense just because you don't understand how it works.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2016, 09:09:05 PM »
All the pictures are zoomed in in a way that the Earth keeps its size, the only thing that changes is the distance from the camera to the globe.
Never heard of zooming?

When combined, you have dolly zoom effect.




« Last Edit: August 09, 2016, 09:10:37 PM by Brouwer »

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2016, 11:14:06 AM »
First of all, the description underneath the photo of the three globes says this: "Three photos of the same globe from different distances. North America seems a different size in each image because you can see more of the globe as you get further away."

Nothing about zooming the camera, much less Dolly Zooming. It states quite clearly that the three different images were the result of actually moving away from the globe. This means that whoever took the three pictures stepped back further each time he snapped the photograph. Now, had he actually moved back each time, the globe would have appeared smaller because he was further away. That's what naturally happens, and this would have been easily seen in the photos.
There is no possible way to produce those three different images of "the same globe" by just moving away from the globe itself. Again, the globe remains the exact same size, but the PICTURES ON THE GLOBE change? Sorry, that's not how it works. And you can take all of your zooming tricks with you. The description simply states that the person moved farther away from the globe each time he took the next picture...

Woody, the picture of the three globes was nothing more than this: Someone made three different globes with three different sized land masses on them. Then they took three pictures from the same exact distance. Ultimately, this was done as an attempt to excuse NASA's screwed up, disproportionate, CGI photos of "Earth from Space". That's all.

I pose the same question to you folks that I do to Evolutionists: If it's true, why the fraud?