Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2016, 03:06:42 PM »
when someone is taking pictures from different distances, the landmasses will appear different sizes in proportion to the earth as a whole. This is why the three globe picture was offered as an explanation.

Yes, there you go, you got it!

prove that varying distances will make the landmass appear disproportionate. And this is true.

Yeah, nice mate, you understood it!

It will change the size of the landmasses - but the size of the earth itself will also change with varying distances (again, provided all that is done is changing the distance).

Ah damn, you're still dumb as hell   :'(

That image was only used to try and prove that DIFFERENT DISTANCES WILL DISTORT THE SIZE OF THE LANDMASS.
Yes, it was used to prove that and it did, in fact, prove that.

Really? You don't understand that moving away from an object makes it appear smaller? You're kidding.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2016, 03:11:08 PM »
Nexzus,

Let me ask you... Was your seriously annoying video accomplished by simply moving away, or was it accomplished with advanced camera trickery?

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #62 on: August 12, 2016, 03:11:53 PM »
deserted, I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Really, buddy, that distortion is obviously effect of perspective. Try it yourself with a smartphone and soccer ball.
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #63 on: August 12, 2016, 03:41:20 PM »
deserted, I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Really, buddy, that distortion is obviously effect of perspective. Try it yourself with a smartphone and soccer ball.

I already tried it. Like I told Woody, I took a picture of my computer and then backed up to take another. When I backed up, both the picture on my computer, and the computer itself appeared smaller. Wonder of wonders.

The incredibly annoying picture from Nexzus was not accomplished by simply stepping back. It used camera trickery. Would you agree?

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2016, 04:00:46 PM »
Yes, if you call zoom or later crop on PC trickery.
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2016, 04:04:23 PM »
deserted, I'm not sure what are you trying to say. Really, buddy, that distortion is obviously effect of perspective. Try it yourself with a smartphone and soccer ball.

I already tried it. Like I told Woody, I took a picture of my computer and then backed up to take another. When I backed up, both the picture on my computer, and the computer itself appeared smaller. Wonder of wonders.

The incredibly annoying picture from Nexzus was not accomplished by simply stepping back. It used camera trickery. Would you agree?

If using different focal lengths is considered trickery then yes it is.

Take a look at the cars in the photos:


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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2016, 04:30:46 PM »
Actually, it is the other way around.



I tend to believe this whole issue is misunderstood from the very beginning, and that's why we're not getting anywhere.
This all began when Origamiscienceguy posted the above photo of earth from space. The second I looked at it, I knew something wasn't right - as anyone can see. The landmass is seriously disproportionate in relation to the size of the earth itself. Anyone can see this. So I called him on it. In response, I was shown the photo of the three globes. The explanation for the disproportionate size of the landmasses was to be excused (using the three-globe pic) by arguing that when someone is taking pictures from different distances, the landmasses will appear different sizes in proportion to the earth as a whole. This is why the three globe picture was offered as an explanation. Zoom tricks have nothing to do with the discussion. We're not trying to explain how the three-globe pic was accomplished. That has absolutely nothing to do the point. Nothing. Once again, the three-globe pic was used to try and prove that varying distances will make the landmass appear disproportionate. And this is true. It will change the size of the landmasses - but the size of the earth itself will also change with varying distances (again, provided all that is done is changing the distance).

One more time, this discussion has nothing to do with "How can we produce the three-globe image?" That image was only used to try and prove that DIFFERENT DISTANCES WILL DISTORT THE SIZE OF THE LANDMASS.
Enough with the "zoom" explanations...

You claim "The landmass is seriously disproportionate in relation to the size of the earth itself. Anyone can see this. So I called him on it."

Please explain how "Anyone can see this", and what YOU think the proportions should be.

The plain simple fact is that the size a country appears relative the whole globe depends in the distance from which the photo was taken, as was proved to you in the three photos of the globe.

Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2016, 04:35:03 PM »
Halleluia

Thank you both for being honest. Like my mother used to say, "It's like pulling teeth trying to get answers out of you..."

Below is the explanation I just wrote a few posts ago. Please read it. It accompanied the large picture of earth from space:

I tend to believe this whole issue is misunderstood from the very beginning, and that's why we're not getting anywhere.
This all began when Origamiscienceguy posted the above photo of earth from space. The second I looked at it, I knew something wasn't right - as anyone can see. The landmass is seriously disproportionate in relation to the size of the earth itself. Anyone can see this. So I called him on it. In response, I was shown the photo of the three globes. The explanation for the disproportionate size of the landmasses was to be excused (using the three-globe pic) by arguing that when someone is taking pictures from different distances, the landmasses will appear different sizes in proportion to the earth as a whole. This is why the three globe picture was offered as an explanation. Zoom tricks have nothing to do with the discussion. We're not trying to explain how the three-globe pic was accomplished. That has absolutely nothing to do the point. Nothing. Once again, the three-globe pic was used to try and prove that varying distances will make the landmass appear disproportionate. And this is true. It will change the size of the landmasses - but the size of the earth itself will also change with varying distances (again, provided all that is done is changing the distance).

One more time, this discussion has nothing to do with "How can we produce the three-globe image?" That image was only used to try and prove that DIFFERENT DISTANCES WILL DISTORT THE SIZE OF THE LANDMASS.

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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2016, 01:44:06 AM »
I already tried it. Like I told Woody, I took a picture of my computer and then backed up to take another. When I backed up, both the picture on my computer, and the computer itself appeared smaller. Wonder of wonders.

Nice, thats a start :)
Using a computer screen is already a really good start in terms of curvature and form!
My personal experience so that you could improve your result: The crystals of the compterscreen thend to anti-distort the image so the effect cannot been seen that good!
Sounds strange, is a fact tho! It really works best, if you would use a printed picture of a globe and then take multiple pictures while backing up! Your mind will be blown! No zoom/cropping needed!
Just try it out and post the result here :)

I'm waiting.
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2016, 09:47:40 AM »
This has to be among the stupidest arguments ever.  The whole objection to the three globes photo is "they didn't SAY they zoomed, so I'll assume they DIDN't zoom, which therefore makes this fake".  For the FE True Believers in the room (if there really is such a thing): THIS level of "argument" is why we round earth folks think you flat earth folks are all just trolls.  You have to know that deserted does in fact understand how zoom lenses work, but is playing dumb for the sake of continuing to reject the explanation.  I don't think deserted is actually that dumb; nothing in their vocabulary, grammar, or sentence structure would lead me to such a conclusion.

No, that's not my point. None of you seem to get it. I never once said that I believed the three globe pic was the result of simple change in distance. In fact, I've argued numerous times that's it's NOT the result of distance, based upon the fact that when someone moves away from an object, that object appears smaller. The further one moves away, the smaller the object will appear. That's how things work in the real world. When a car passes me and continues down the road, the further away it travels, the smaller it will appear. After a while, it'll be so far away that it'll be barely visible. Again, the further away something gets, the smaller it will appear. That's a fact. The same holds true if I'm looking through a camera. The car gets smaller and smaller until it's hardly visible. And not just the car, but the writing on the bumper sticker gets smaller too. Everything attached to the car appears smaller the further away it gets. Agreed? This is simple common sense. And this is precisely why I maintain that the three globe pic was NOT the result of changing the distance. It was accomplished, as everyone has argued, by zoom. Again, I never once said it was caused by changing distance. Not once.

Now let's not forget, this all started when Origamyscienceguy posted a photo of earth from space. Woody posted the three-globe picture in an attempt to explain away the disproportionate size of the landmasses. The picture was accompanied by an explanation that the picture was the result of simple change in distance - a claim almost everyone has violently rejected. I agree with all of you. The three globe pic was not the result of a simple change in distance, but was the result of camera zoom. Again, I agree. By near unanimous vote, the description of the three-globe picture is a lie. In other words, Woody tried to explain away a fraudulent photo of earth from space with a fraudulent picture of three globes; and since then, everyone has called me a complete idiot for not buying it.







Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2016, 10:35:32 AM »
Actually, it is the other way around.



The landmasses in this picture are twice the size we've seen on all other maps. Not only are the landmasses disproportionate, but for some reason, there are hardly any clouds at all; and those which do exist are so thin that lights can be seen through them with no problem whatsoever. This evidence alone is enough to debunk this photo. If you can't understand this, then you're an idiot.

The photo of earth from space is a lie. The illustration presented by Woody claiming the disproportionate landmasses are the result of distance, is a lie. Everyone has has said so. In the end, NASA is lying. You REers inadvertently proved it, and I rest my case.


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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2016, 01:02:58 PM »
If I can step in for a moment...there seem to be two diverging arguments going on here.


Deserted:

The "three globes" picture was only meant to illustrate that it is possible to take pictures of a sphere in such a way that shapes on the sphere can be "distorted" in relation to the apparent size of the sphere.  That's it--don't worry about things getting smaller as you move away--the Earth photo in question is only one photo.  Just apply the fact that you've readily admitted (that you can use combinations of zoom and distance to change the apparent proportions of a 3D object) to the photo of the Earth.

Your objection is that the continents seem oversized.  You've just been shown--and repeatedly admitted that you understand--how this can happen from a photographic standpoint.  That's it.  I'm not sure what the argument is at this point
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Re: Conduct an experiment to prove that Earth is Flat
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2016, 01:58:28 PM »
The incredible growing nose.