Is the moon flat or spherical?

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #90 on: September 15, 2017, 08:31:50 PM »
Do you mean why we only see the same side of the moon? If so its because the moon spins at a perfect speed and distance that allows it only 1 full rotation every 1 full orbit of earth.

Wow. It almost seems like RE theory was designed around explaining away obvious Flat Earth tells.
Actually, it would be a lot more convenient if the Moon weren't tidally locked, because then we wouldn't have to hear a constant stream of "I can't see the back side so it must not have one".  The Moon's rotation would be obvious to everyone.

However, tidal locking is an observable reality, and unlike people who preach trusting the evidence they see but who really just cherry pick what they want to support their narrative, people who adhere to science must accept all data, even when it's less convenient.

Nonetheless, there is still overwhelming observational, mathematical, and inferential evidence of a spheroid Moon, and of course, a spheroid Earth.

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #91 on: September 15, 2017, 11:10:14 PM »
Wow. It almost seems like RE theory was designed around explaining away obvious Flat Earth tells.
Try. It almost seems like Flat Earth theory was designed around explaining away obvious visual evidence.
Rowbotham wrote volumes trying to explain these observations away, largely with totally misplaced ideas on perspective.
Eric Dubay writes his "200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball" vainly trying to refute things we see every day.

I see the sun obviously rising from being hidden behind the horizon and FE vainly tries to explain it away with perspective and then when that won't work, totally unrealistic upside down refraction and imaginary atmoplanic lensing.

In a similar vein, the elevation angles of the sun simply do not fit a small local sun, so poor flat earthers try to invent fudges to make their preconceived ideas fit what is readily observed.

I see with my own eyes the moon showing the almost exactly the same face from rising to setting, and flat earthers try to explain it away by saying it is flat, a hologram or some other silly idea like it a reflection of earth.

I see lunar eclipses that are most simply explained by the earth blocking the light from the sun, but the flat earthers have to dream up a "shadow object", that still can't explain what we can clearly see.

I see the distance to the sea-air horizon increase markedly even for a quite small increase in eye height and flat earthers scrabble around claim it must be waves or impossible perspective.

The Heliocentric Globe was developed to explain what was observed, no more, no less.


Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #92 on: September 16, 2017, 04:34:36 AM »
Do you mean why we only see the same side of the moon? If so its because the moon spins at a perfect speed and distance that allows it only 1 full rotation every 1 full orbit of earth.

Wow. It almost seems like RE theory was designed around explaining away obvious Flat Earth tells.
Nonetheless, there is still overwhelming observational, mathematical, and inferential evidence of a spheroid Moon, and of course, a spheroid Earth.
Moon being spheroid doesn't mean earth also should be sphere.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #93 on: September 16, 2017, 06:35:12 AM »
Do you mean why we only see the same side of the moon? If so its because the moon spins at a perfect speed and distance that allows it only 1 full rotation every 1 full orbit of earth.

Wow. It almost seems like RE theory was designed around explaining away obvious Flat Earth tells.
Nonetheless, there is still overwhelming observational, mathematical, and inferential evidence of a spheroid Moon, and of course, a spheroid Earth.
Moon being spheroid doesn't mean earth also should be sphere.
Reread the thread.  It has already been explained that if Moon is round, then the features of the Moon, such as it's phasing and libration, for instance, are only consistent if the Earth is round as well.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #94 on: September 16, 2017, 07:56:45 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #95 on: September 16, 2017, 08:13:57 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!

I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #96 on: September 16, 2017, 08:35:28 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...
« Last Edit: September 16, 2017, 08:37:49 AM by vnsh811 »

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2017, 09:32:46 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #98 on: September 16, 2017, 09:38:24 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.
Why are you here at the first point? This forum is for flat earth discussions and find out the mysteries....but you are not helping on this topic but giving roadblocks and trolling on people....dont you have any other productive work than this? Why to waste so much effort on the thing which you do not like?
You are like uninvited person here!!!

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #99 on: September 16, 2017, 10:38:24 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.
Why are you here at the first point? This forum is for flat earth discussions and find out the mysteries....but you are not helping on this topic but giving roadblocks and trolling on people....dont you have any other productive work than this? Why to waste so much effort on the thing which you do not like?
You are like uninvited person here!!!

Mysteries? You mean all the stuff you flattards misunderstand or not understand and consequently declare the earth flat and go on further to declare hard working honest people conspirators, traitors, liars? I have a near and dear scientist working for NASA and I AM concerned of her safety because of kooky dingbat flattards making all these outlandish claimsand firing each other up.

How productive is it to try to educate you people? There are many patient rounders here explaining what is what to you kooks over and over again! NOTHING seems to help. You flattards are the ultimate trolls and your claims are dangerous!

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2017, 10:55:45 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.
Why are you here at the first point? This forum is for flat earth discussions and find out the mysteries....but you are not helping on this topic but giving roadblocks and trolling on people....dont you have any other productive work than this? Why to waste so much effort on the thing which you do not like?
You are like uninvited person here!!!

Mysteries? You mean all the stuff you flattards misunderstand or not understand and consequently declare the earth flat and go on further to declare hard working honest people conspirators, traitors, liars? I have a near and dear scientist working for NASA and I AM concerned of her safety because of kooky dingbat flattards making all these outlandish claimsand firing each other up.

How productive is it to try to educate you people? There are many patient rounders here explaining what is what to you kooks over and over again! NOTHING seems to help. You flattards are the ultimate trolls and your claims are dangerous!
First go, read and become aware about the objective of this forum and who has to answer about the questions asked..that's why I am calling you the uninvited guest here...coz you are blowing your own trumpet on every topic.
Please stop do not want your suggestions....

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2017, 10:58:00 AM »
And I think moderators are sleeping in this forum...really not a relevant answer from any flat earth supporter...only troll comments from globe heads on every topic here...

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #102 on: September 16, 2017, 11:07:40 AM »
The "moonshramp" were a joke from the start. We were invaded by the moonshrampers and it was fun, then they left and the moonshramp joke lived on.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2017, 11:21:41 AM »
The "moonshramp" were a joke from the start. We were invaded by the moonshrampers and it was fun, then they left and the moonshramp joke lived on.

What about the constant accusations spewed at honest, hard working NASA scientists? Are those "jokes"? Are you guys having fun?

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #104 on: September 16, 2017, 11:24:58 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.
Why are you here at the first point? This forum is for flat earth discussions and find out the mysteries....but you are not helping on this topic but giving roadblocks and trolling on people....dont you have any other productive work than this? Why to waste so much effort on the thing which you do not like?
You are like uninvited person here!!!

Mysteries? You mean all the stuff you flattards misunderstand or not understand and consequently declare the earth flat and go on further to declare hard working honest people conspirators, traitors, liars? I have a near and dear scientist working for NASA and I AM concerned of her safety because of kooky dingbat flattards making all these outlandish claimsand firing each other up.

How productive is it to try to educate you people? There are many patient rounders here explaining what is what to you kooks over and over again! NOTHING seems to help. You flattards are the ultimate trolls and your claims are dangerous!
First go, read and become aware about the objective of this forum and who has to answer about the questions asked..that's why I am calling you the uninvited guest here...coz you are blowing your own trumpet on every topic.
Please stop do not want your suggestions....

Get some education you illiterate kook. I am not here to make friends with shameless, clueless dingbats accusing normal hard working people of all kinds of crimes. I am here to give you all a reality check.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2017, 11:42:33 AM »
You don't want to know. Trust me on this one.
Hi John, I really want to know moon is really flat or spherical. But it looks sphere when we look at it. Could you please throw some light on this? You are claiming like you know most of the things....please share knowledge with poor folks like us!!
I think he is in constant communication with the moonshramp, and I think there is some trouble brewing between humanity and the shrampity? That right John? That's why we should trust him and we should not want to know.
people like you should be banned from this forum...I wonder what moderators are doing...

Banning me will NOT make preposterous claims like "moonshramp" and "flat earth" in this day and age any less sillier. And will not keep me from coming back here either.
Why are you here at the first point? This forum is for flat earth discussions and find out the mysteries....but you are not helping on this topic but giving roadblocks and trolling on people....dont you have any other productive work than this? Why to waste so much effort on the thing which you do not like?
You are like uninvited person here!!!

Mysteries? You mean all the stuff you flattards misunderstand or not understand and consequently declare the earth flat and go on further to declare hard working honest people conspirators, traitors, liars? I have a near and dear scientist working for NASA and I AM concerned of her safety because of kooky dingbat flattards making all these outlandish claimsand firing each other up.

How productive is it to try to educate you people? There are many patient rounders here explaining what is what to you kooks over and over again! NOTHING seems to help. You flattards are the ultimate trolls and your claims are dangerous!
First go, read and become aware about the objective of this forum and who has to answer about the questions asked..that's why I am calling you the uninvited guest here...coz you are blowing your own trumpet on every topic.
Please stop do not want your suggestions....

Get some education you illiterate kook. I am not here to make friends with shameless, clueless dingbats accusing normal hard working people of all kinds of crimes. I am here to give you all a reality check.
I am already educated since childhood in school and colleges....do not give your lame suggestions to me like a troll here. Why are you calling FEs shameless that is your own thinking... you are a like sheep believing on everything govt shows you. Be like that hypnotized worker working hard in this system and then crying about everything in the end.
And before giving reality check to other people did you look into your own reality and the reality around you? What is your purpose on this earth? Just to troll on other? You are like a dumb sheep just grazing on the ground where your shepherd is pointing you to graze.

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #106 on: September 16, 2017, 11:43:50 AM »
He will not be able to answer you for 3 days.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #107 on: September 16, 2017, 11:47:56 AM »
He will not be able to answer you for 3 days.
what?

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #108 on: September 16, 2017, 11:48:51 AM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #109 on: September 16, 2017, 11:57:52 AM »
He will not be able to answer you for 3 days.
what?

I bammed him for 3 days.
Great...but my question is unanswered...if moon is flat then why it looks spherical when looking at it...
If moon is a disc the it should be elliptical at other location which is not the case....

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #110 on: September 16, 2017, 12:20:38 PM »
He will not be able to answer you for 3 days.
what?

I bammed him for 3 days.
Great...but my question is unanswered...if moon is flat then why it looks spherical when looking at it...
If moon is a disc the it should be elliptical at other location which is not the case....

Cry moderator when you can't handle it? That a boy flattard. And didn't John Davis tell you to move away from that question? Be careful now, you might get a ban or "bam" also.

Tell me flattards: how is accusing good honest scientists over at NASA, accusing them of conspiracy, theft, murder, WITHOUT the least of a clue as to what is what, how is that not a reason to get banned? I think you flattards should ban yourselves from breathing. It's a waste of air at best.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #111 on: September 16, 2017, 12:24:35 PM »
What is your purpose on this earth? Just to troll on other? You are like a dumb sheep just grazing on the ground where your shepherd is pointing you to graze.

You dumb kook believed in a couple of flattarded youtube videos and calling a voice of reason sheep? Exactly why I call you flattards shameless... How can you justify calling honest scientists working their butts off thieves, murderers, conspirators?!?!?!?!

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2017, 12:30:02 PM »
What is your purpose on this earth? Just to troll on other? You are like a dumb sheep just grazing on the ground where your shepherd is pointing you to graze.

You dumb kook believed in a couple of flattarded youtube videos and calling a voice of reason sheep? Exactly why I call you flattards shameless... How can you justify calling honest scientists working their butts off thieves, murderers, conspirators?!?!?!?!
You are like a cancer...again started blowing your trumpet making different account. You do not belong here!! Go and ask your dear one working at NASA these things...

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #113 on: September 16, 2017, 12:34:52 PM »
What is your purpose on this earth? Just to troll on other? You are like a dumb sheep just grazing on the ground where your shepherd is pointing you to graze.

You dumb kook believed in a couple of flattarded youtube videos and calling a voice of reason sheep? Exactly why I call you flattards shameless... How can you justify calling honest scientists working their butts off thieves, murderers, conspirators?!?!?!?!
You are like a cancer...again started blowing your trumpet making different account. You do not belong here!! Go and ask your dear one working at NASA these things...

Funny thing with radical religilous kook heads. They ALWAYS end up accusing others of EXACTLY what they are!

What "things" should I ask her? Should I ask if she ever guards the ice wall and shoots at people trying to reach it?!?! W-Should I ask how she fakes those CLEAR AS DAYLIGHT!!! globe pictures?!?! Should I ask why she is working for an evil empire called NASA, being a liar, a conspirator, a crook to conceal truth from the masses?!?!?!

You clueless, shameless, waste of air flattard.

Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2017, 12:36:48 PM »
What is your purpose on this earth? Just to troll on other? You are like a dumb sheep just grazing on the ground where your shepherd is pointing you to graze.

You dumb kook believed in a couple of flattarded youtube videos and calling a voice of reason sheep? Exactly why I call you flattards shameless... How can you justify calling honest scientists working their butts off thieves, murderers, conspirators?!?!?!?!
You are like a cancer...again started blowing your trumpet making different account. You do not belong here!! Go and ask your dear one working at NASA these things...
What "things" should I ask her? Should I ask if she ever guards the ice wall and shoots at people trying to reach it?!?! W-Should I ask how she fakes those CLEAR AS DAYLIGHT!!! globe pictures?!?! Should I ask why she is working for an evil empire called NASA, being a liar, a conspirator, a crook to conceal truth from the masses?!?!?!
Exactly :D

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2017, 10:56:58 PM »
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But we can see moon as spherical not as a flat disc and if it is flat disc then people would be seeing it elliptical in some different location.
Is this the question that nobody would answer?

Frankly, I thought that what you said was so logically correct that I didn't bother to answer, so yes obviously the moon is spherical.

But, on the flat earth there is a big problem with a spherical moon and that is the fact that we see almost the same face all the time.
This is probably why many flat earthers, especially many on YouTube claim it must be flat.

This problem is that on the flat earth a spherical moon is seen at a wide range of angles, as in this diagram:

Full moon flat earth, scale height, enlarged objects
Clearly observers at various locations on earth see different phases, with no-one seeing a truly full moon.

An even more serious problem is that these observers see quite different faces of the moon.
We know, however, that wherever the moon is in the sky and where on earth we observe it from, we always see almost the same face.

This is quite consistent with a distant moon (about 383,000 km)  orbiting the globe,
but would seem to present an insurmountable problem for the flat earth
                        with its small moon (about 50 km diameter) circling about 5000 km above the earth.

Any flat earth explanations?

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2017, 11:25:49 PM »
He will not be able to answer you for 3 days.
what?

I bammed him for 3 days.
Great...but my question is unanswered...if moon is flat then why it looks spherical when looking at it...
If moon is a disc the it should be elliptical at other location which is not the case....

I think you answered your own question.  If it looks like a duck (or sphere), and moves like a duck (or sphere), then it's probably a duck (or in this case, a sphere).  We've already established that the moon's rotational period is the same as its orbital period; meaning it always has the same side facing the Earth.  If that wasn't the case, we would see the whole thing as the month progressed.  Your point about it becoming elliptical is totally correct, not to mention if we take the FE assumptions about altitude as being true, the sun and the moon would always be visible; neither would ever go below the horizon.

The point that should be discussed is how and why nearly all the world has accepted the model of a spherical planet over a flat one?  Well, the fundamental reason is that it explains what we can observe and does so with far simpler solutions than a flat earth model can.  These solutions can be used to make accurate and reliable predictions, which further confirms the spherical over the flat model.
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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #117 on: September 17, 2017, 11:22:39 AM »
Rabinoz, the sun is self luminary in flat earth theory, and thus your diagram is not only useless, but shows a disregard for paying any attention to flat earth theory at all or even picking up any book on it ever before attacking us for our views.

You are either fucking with us for your own enjoyment, or you have been unable to learn one of the most base and known facts about the flat earth replicated in almost every view and every publication on the subject in the last hundred years as well as threads you have been actively engaged in.

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #118 on: September 17, 2017, 11:26:57 AM »
Rabinoz, the moon [edited] is self luminary in flat earth theory, and thus your diagram is not only useless, but shows a disregard for paying any attention to flat earth theory at all or even picking up any book on it ever before attacking us for our views.

You are either fucking with us for your own enjoyment, or you have been unable to learn one of the most base and known facts about the flat earth replicated in almost every view and every publication on the subject in the last hundred years as well as threads you have been actively engaged in.
As it is on a round earth.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2017, 11:29:39 AM by John Davis »

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Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« Reply #119 on: September 17, 2017, 11:29:10 AM »
Rabinoz, the sun is self luminary in flat earth theory, and thus your diagram is not only useless, but shows a disregard for paying any attention to flat earth theory at all or even picking up any book on it ever before attacking us for our views.

You are either fucking with us for your own enjoyment, or you have been unable to learn one of the most base and known facts about the flat earth replicated in almost every view and every publication on the subject in the last hundred years as well as threads you have been actively engaged in.
Are you intentionally not paying attention?  The diagram is valid even if the moon is self illuminating. There is yet another problem with your model and your reply, again, adds nothing to the discussion.
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