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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2017, 12:10:37 PM »
Yeah, I was just going to say... NASA posts all sorts of pictures...

Do a google search for Hubble Images, Voyager Images, Cassini, Juno, New Horizon,  (just to name a few)
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2017, 12:18:15 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #32 on: September 19, 2017, 09:14:09 AM »

I'm confused about what you are going on about.  We do have pictures of space crafts.  We do have pictures of the earth.
If you think they are fake, show some evidence.  If you think NASA and the many other space agencies are lying, prove it.
This is one place fly earthers fail.  They claim that NASA is all lies but cannot show any evidence of that.  They claim all images are fake cannot support that claim.
Whole threads have been devoted to this and the closest they come to proof is, I think it looks fake or, it's impossible (meaning they don't understand it) so it must be fake.
Do you have anything beyond that?
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As much curious as everyone else, i have been wondering what the role of NASA really is. They spend billions of taxe payer dollars just to get space selfies that they don't even openly show to the public who pays for their missions. Of course not to derail from FE but what is it that NASA has presented to the American public pertaining space or Aliens (UFOs in the case)? Ziiilch !

Neither me nor you can prove anything here simply because we are in the dark but guess you believe just everything you are told without questioning it.

I like Flat Earthers for their courage and the will to find out their own answers without depending on NASA. If you show us recent, real FULL images of earth from outer space just like you "see" Saturn then we might have a starting point but as long as you or they can't, let's just enjoy being part of the Flat Earth Society.

You wonder the use of NASA? Well how's about all them satellites that bounce your CNN signals about, making it possible for you to watch TV? How about all them GPS and GLONASS (Russian in case you still hate NASA) signals that make it possible to use Google maps or Garmin or what ever it is you use? How's about them satelites that make it possible for Doctors without Boarders to maintain hospitals in darkest Africa using Thuraya phones? How about all that information that makes is clear climate change and such is a real thing? You do know you have to explore a place before you can exploit said place, right? If it's only the pictures you can see, then (like flat earthers always say), do you own research!!!
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #33 on: September 19, 2017, 10:11:01 AM »

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I like Flat Earthers for their courage and the will to find out their own answers without depending on NASA. If you show us recent, real FULL images of earth from outer space just like you "see" Saturn then we might have a starting point but as long as you or they can't, let's just enjoy being part of the Flat Earth Society.

if somebody can support their courage with reality than i also like it.
but FEIB try to sell their believe as the truth without any possibility to show that it is real.

it like if Harry Potter Fans say that Hogwart is a real place and only hidden by the government.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2017, 10:19:05 AM »
There have been enough real people with Kookie Claims that try to push their reality and are able to get followers. This whole flat earth thing is especially attracting because it is so wrong and backwards.

i like it better when flat earthers preach a little at me too...
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2017, 12:07:36 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.

Flat earth and space dont mix. As insane as flat earth already is it would definitely be proven false to FErs from space. If space is real then space travel and pictures and video are real and therefor would show the flat earth. But all space has proven so far is the reality of spherical planets. Thats why most FErs deny its existence

But... most flat Earthers don't deny its existence. You're also making massive logical leaps there. Why, if space exists, does space travel automatically have to be feasible?

Space proves flat earth wrong. So your implying a flat earth with space is impossible to travel to? Explain how if space is real the reasons you think we cant or havent gone to space?

It doesn't, though. Space travel is possible, it just takes a massive amount of fuel and energy to fight the UA. The logistics of sustained space travel render it near impossible.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2017, 12:09:38 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2017, 12:17:17 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2017, 03:49:44 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?

My point is that short term space flight doesn't prove anything about anything.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #39 on: September 19, 2017, 05:47:54 PM »
See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?

My point is that short term space flight doesn't prove anything about anything.
But when photographs from those altitudes agree with the expected curvature of the Globe that "short term space flight" might provide a lot of evidence.
Now we have no photographs from North Korean ballistic launches, but many have reached more than enough altitude for that.
Here are a few recent ones:

2017
       North Korea test-fired a Hwasong-12[31] missile from a test site in the area of Kusong (May 13, 2017). The missile, later revealed to be an intermediate range ballistic missile, traveled 30 minutes, reached an altitude of more than 2,111.5 km, and flew a horizontal distance of 789 km (489 miles), before falling into the Sea of Japan. Such a missile would have a range of at least 4,000, reaching Guam, to 6,000 km.


2017
       North Korea tested its first intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) named Hwasong-14 on July 4. It launched from the Panghyon Aircraft Factory 8 km southeast of Panghyon Airport. It was aimed straight up at a lofted trajectory and reached more than 2,500 km into space. It landed 37 minutes later, more than 930 km from its launch site, into Japan's exclusive economic zone.

2017       North Korea launched a ballistic missile on September 15 from Sunan airfield. It reached a height of 770 km and flew a distance of 3,700 km for 17 minutes over Hokkaido before landing in the Pacific.
All these examples are for is to show that rockets/missiles are certainly launched high enough to observe and compare curvature.
There are numerous photos available from other launches taken from all sorts of altitudes up to hundreds of kilometres.
But, when presented, anything that seems to suggest anything but a flat earth is deemed a fake or CGI, so there's not much point presenting more.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2017, 07:30:42 PM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?

My point is that short term space flight doesn't prove anything about anything.
No, it sounds more like you're saying that pictures don't prove anything.  I'm fairly confident that if you were to personally go high enough into space on a Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin type sub-orbital flight, then I think that you would get a conclusive answer (even if no one else believes you).
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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #41 on: September 19, 2017, 10:20:59 PM »
It doesn't, though. Space travel is possible, it just takes a massive amount of fuel and energy to fight the UA. The logistics of sustained space travel render it near impossible.
So you claim without any real evidence - just your words.

Why would fighting UA be much different to fighting gravity? At the altitude of tne ISS it is still about 88% that at sea-level.
And your magic sun and moon seem to stay up there, so if a spacecraft could get to 3000 miles it could "orbit" up there - seems logical.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #42 on: September 19, 2017, 10:33:32 PM »
The escape velocity of the Earth on the globe model is roughly 11km/s. How much is it on this 'UA' model?

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2017, 12:46:53 AM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?

My point is that short term space flight doesn't prove anything about anything.
No, it sounds more like you're saying that pictures don't prove anything.  I'm fairly confident that if you were to personally go high enough into space on a Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin type sub-orbital flight, then I think that you would get a conclusive answer (even if no one else believes you).

I'll throw in half the money with you to send me on a Virgin Galactic flight. I'll probably be able to afford it sometime in the next two years. Let's solve this once and for all. Put your money where your mouth is. Literally, it's a requirement.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2017, 12:50:21 AM »
It doesn't, though. Space travel is possible, it just takes a massive amount of fuel and energy to fight the UA. The logistics of sustained space travel render it near impossible.
So you claim without any real evidence - just your words.

Why would fighting UA be much different to fighting gravity? At the altitude of tne ISS it is still about 88% that at sea-level.
And your magic sun and moon seem to stay up there, so if a spacecraft could get to 3000 miles it could "orbit" up there - seems logical.

Unless there's a way that you know of to tap into the power of the celestial gears, I'm afraid that won't happen. Orbit works with a force that pulls toward the center of a spheroid, as I'm sure you know. Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.


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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2017, 02:09:56 AM »
It doesn't, though. Space travel is possible, it just takes a massive amount of fuel and energy to fight the UA. The logistics of sustained space travel render it near impossible.
So you claim without any real evidence - just your words.

Why would fighting UA be much different to fighting gravity? At the altitude of tne ISS it is still about 88% that at sea-level.
And your magic sun and moon seem to stay up there, so if a spacecraft could get to 3000 miles it could "orbit" up there - seems logical.

Unless there's a way that you know of to tap into the power of the celestial gears, I'm afraid that won't happen. Orbit works with a force that pulls toward the center of a spheroid, as I'm sure you know. Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.

So the reality of sustained space travel is strong evidence against UA, at least as far as it is postulated in conjunction with a flat earth. Wouldn't you agree?

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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2017, 02:26:04 AM »
Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.
Why do you have to fight UA when trying to leave earth? UA doesn't pull you back to the ground.
Rowbotham had bad eyesight
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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2017, 06:15:30 AM »
Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.
Why do you have to fight UA when trying to leave earth? UA doesn't pull you back to the ground.
You don't 'fight' UA per say, you outrun it. Since the Earth is going 'up' at g, and we're not affected by the UA push (for whatever reason) that means you need to go 'up' at faster than g in order to go above Earth. I guess. Actually, how do planes work then? They would have to be generating lift equal to UA at all times wouldn't they? For some reason that feels weird, even if I understand they're doing similar in a RE scenario.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2017, 06:22:46 AM »
Considering Saturn rings (if they truly exist), why would it not be possible to have flat planets? What if earth was exactly like Saturn rings rotating around the sun which "may" shine on the one side and cast shadow on the other thus creating day and night..!

Simple reason why flat earthers dont believe this theory is to them space isnt real. This theory would mean space was real and they would have to admit that space travel and satellites are real. Therefor we would have pictures of flat earth from space. Since we dont they stick to a dome.

Wait a second, where do you get the idea that we don't believe in space? That's just silly.
Well, several rather vocal FE dome and firmament supporters have flat out said that space doesn't exist, and there hasn't been much of any disagreement from the rest of the FE community.

Well, let me go on record saying that i vehemently disagree.
If you agree that space does exist, then you must also agree that rockets can reach space.  If rockets can reach space, even if only briefly on ballistic trajectories, then you must concede that those rockets can take pictures of the earth from space and thereby provide definitive evidence of the earth's shape.  So, for that reason, some FE'ers choose to deny the existence of space, that way they can dismiss all photographs from "so called space" as fake and avoid the whole mess.

See the above. Partially lit disks look spherical with some editing.
And spheres look spherical without any editing.  What's your point?

My point is that short term space flight doesn't prove anything about anything.
No, it sounds more like you're saying that pictures don't prove anything.  I'm fairly confident that if you were to personally go high enough into space on a Virgin Galactic or Blue Origin type sub-orbital flight, then I think that you would get a conclusive answer (even if no one else believes you).

I'll throw in half the money with you to send me on a Virgin Galactic flight. I'll probably be able to afford it sometime in the next two years. Let's solve this once and for all. Put your money where your mouth is. Literally, it's a requirement.
???  Why should I have to pay anything when you're the one who needs to be convinced?  As far as I'm concerned, there is no mystery to be solved concerning the shape of the earth.
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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2017, 07:27:11 AM »
Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.
Why do you have to fight UA when trying to leave earth? UA doesn't pull you back to the ground.
You don't 'fight' UA per say, you outrun it. Since the Earth is going 'up' at g, and we're not affected by the UA push (for whatever reason) that means you need to go 'up' at faster than g in order to go above Earth. I guess. Actually, how do planes work then? They would have to be generating lift equal to UA at all times wouldn't they? For some reason that feels weird, even if I understand they're doing similar in a RE scenario.
Not very really. Aircraft are still under the effects of gravity. That's why they don't shoot out of the planet on a tangent. They fly by creating an area of low pressure above their wings making the air underneath their wings push them up.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2017, 08:16:24 AM »
They fly by creating an area of low pressure above their wings making the air underneath their wings push them up.
Not just that. Happened to watch one video a little ago about this topic

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http://thulescientific.com/Lynch%20Curvature%202008.pdf - Visually discerning the curvature of the Earth
http://thulescientific.com/TurbulentShipWakes_Lynch_AO_2005.pdf - Turbulent ship wakes:further evidence that the Earth is round.

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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2017, 09:17:28 AM »
They fly by creating an area of low pressure above their wings making the air underneath their wings push them up.
Not just that. Happened to watch one video a little ago about this topic


Planes fly because a localized disturbance in the UA pushes on them harder than everything else in the world, popping them into the air.

I may not have any evidence of the UA, or why it would locally effect something like an airplane and nothing else around the plane, but I'll state this as a fact and demand proof that things don't work in this manner.

Sure, your video has math, physics, and is able to be demonstrated and repeated, but I will simply dismiss it as a conspiracy and insist that my imagination is more accurate.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2017, 10:05:31 AM »
They fly by creating an area of low pressure above their wings making the air underneath their wings push them up.
Not just that. Happened to watch one video a little ago about this topic


Planes fly because a localized disturbance in the UA pushes on them harder than everything else in the world, popping them into the air.

I may not have any evidence of the UA, or why it would locally effect something like an airplane and nothing else around the plane, but I'll state this as a fact and demand proof that things don't work in this manner.

Sure, your video has math, physics, and is able to be demonstrated and repeated, but I will simply dismiss it as a conspiracy and insist that my imagination is more accurate.

Am I doing it right?

yes, you argue like a real FEIB.

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Re: Saturn Rings
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2017, 03:04:57 PM »
Unless there's a way that you know of to tap into the power of the celestial gears, I'm afraid that won't happen. Orbit works with a force that pulls toward the center of a spheroid, as I'm sure you know. Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.
Again: So you claim without any real evidence - just meaningless words. What "celestial gears"?
By the way, John Davis on Gravity:
I can't believe I was wrong by the way. It totally is density.
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