iWitness - Air Pressure and Weight

Here is a question I have asked before to other people.  I notice it is a question FE's and conspiracy theorist tend to avoid answering directly.  I decided to try to get an answer again from various people.

@scepti

What would prove denpressure wrong?

Legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth. Get some legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth and denpressure would be finished.

Just to let you know. I haven't seen any legitimate pictures or video of a rotating Earth.

If the truth is told, then you know and I know that Earth is not rotating. Earth is stationary. It is a cell that is self contained and we are under the effects of atmospheric pressure upon our dense bodies as everything else is under atmospheric pressures.

Denpressure is real and it caters perfectly for what's happening on Earth. It just doesn't cater for what happens in space for good reason. Space is a made up fantasy that aids in keeping a fictional force of gravity alive as part of the fantasy.

Quote from: Woody on August 08, 2016, 12:22:05 PM

Here is a question I have asked before to other people.  I notice it is a question FE's and conspiracy theorist tend to avoid answering directly.  I decided to try to get an answer again from various people.

@scepti

What would prove denpressure wrong?

Legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth. Get some legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth and denpressure would be finished.

Just to let you know. I haven't seen any legitimate pictures or video of a rotating Earth.

If the truth is told, then you know and I know that Earth is not rotating. Earth is stationary. It is a cell that is self contained and we are under the effects of atmospheric pressure upon our dense bodies as everything else is under atmospheric pressures.

Denpressure is real and it caters perfectly for what's happening on Earth. It just doesn't cater for what happens in space for good reason. Space is a made up fantasy that aids in keeping a fictional force of gravity alive as part of the fantasy.

Rotating relative to the sun, as you know.

Scepti did you not follow my links? Did you not research James Dewar and find out his methods for freezing light gases? Did you fail to understand their findings?

We have shown you plenty of photographic proof of a rotating earth. You seem to reject all of them without a second thought. Why is that?

Scepti did you not follow my links? Did you not research James Dewar and find out his methods for freezing light gases? Did you fail to understand their findings?

We have shown you plenty of photographic proof of a rotating earth. You seem to reject all of them without a second thought. Why is that?

I reject them because they are not legitimate. They're not real.

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

Quote from: Woody on August 08, 2016, 12:22:05 PM

Here is a question I have asked before to other people.  I notice it is a question FE's and conspiracy theorist tend to avoid answering directly.  I decided to try to get an answer again from various people.

@scepti

What would prove denpressure wrong?

Legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth. Get some legitimate pictures of a rotating Earth and denpressure would be finished.

Just to let you know. I haven't seen any legitimate pictures or video of a rotating Earth.

If the truth is told, then you know and I know that Earth is not rotating. Earth is stationary. It is a cell that is self contained and we are under the effects of atmospheric pressure upon our dense bodies as everything else is under atmospheric pressures.

Denpressure is real and it caters perfectly for what's happening on Earth. It just doesn't cater for what happens in space for good reason. Space is a made up fantasy that aids in keeping a fictional force of gravity alive as part of the fantasy.

How do you know the pictures from DSCOVR and Himawari-8 are fake?  Do you definitive proof?

What about Sat TV dishes needing to be pointed at different elevations.  With a little bit of math you can determine the location and altitude of the signal source.

You can take advantage of the Doppler effect and determine the altitude and velocity of a satellite.

The ISS can be observed. Just using binoculars you can see that it certainly looks man made and not just a light moving across the sky.

The real question you avoided.  What proves you wrong.  A round Earth that rotates does not prove denpressure wrong.  It just proves the Earth is not flat. 

How is denpressure superior to an infinite plane model with gravity?

Here is what would prove gravity wrong. 

Not measuring the expected attraction for a certain amount of mass.

Measurements would not decrease as you move further away from mass.

Things would not fall at the same rate.

Things would accelerate at the same rate regardless of the strength of gravity.

The above would disprove gravity. That list could be added to.

So what disproves denpressure? 

How about what you think disproves gravity?

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

Seriously?  You claim people can not comprehend your model.  Even hint that they may not be too intelligent.

Do you not realize a picture from an aircraft watching the world whiz by is rather impossible using the RE model.  Are you one of those people who thinks if you hover in a helicopter the Earth should rotate under you?

If you are consider this.

The aircraft is already moving with the Earth when it is on the ground.  So it's velocity is the same as the Earth's.  So when it starts moving it is changing its velocity relative to the Earth.

You have already been supplied with the photos you suggested accept not by aircraft.  You are choosing to dismiss them because they do not support your hypothesis.  Unless you have not seen the photos from DSCOVR. 

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

Seriously?  You claim people can not comprehend your model.  Even hint that they may not be too intelligent.

Do you not realize a picture from an aircraft watching the world whiz by is rather impossible using the RE model.  Are you one of those people who thinks if you hover in a helicopter the Earth should rotate under you?

If you are consider this.

The aircraft is already moving with the Earth when it is on the ground.  So it's velocity is the same as the Earth's.  So when it starts moving it is changing its velocity relative to the Earth.

You have already been supplied with the photos you suggested accept not by aircraft.  You are choosing to dismiss them because they do not support your hypothesis.  Unless you have not seen the photos from DSCOVR.

I'm looking for reality stuff from you people not fantasy.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

No more questions. 

It's scary how naive you people are.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:57:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

No more questions. 

It's scary how naive you people are.

Why did you avoid answering what disproves denpressure?  The first answer you gave would not disprove it, only prove or disprove if the Earth is round.

This is a question that I have not seen any FE or conspiracy theorist answer.  I have seen RE  scientist answer it. They even conduct experiments that are designed to prove themselves wrong.

So what disproves denpressure?  If you know your model adequately you can answer this question.  It does not mean you are saying dennpressure is wrong, just what would prove it wrong.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:57:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

No more questions. 

It's scary how naive you people are.

What was wrong with my answer?

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:57:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

No more questions. 

It's scary how naive you people are.

Why did you avoid answering what disproves denpressure?  The first answer you gave would not disprove it, only prove or disprove if the Earth is round.

This is a question that I have not seen any FE or conspiracy theorist answer.  I have seen RE  scientist answer it. They even conduct experiments that are designed to prove themselves wrong.

So what disproves denpressure?  If you know your model adequately you can answer this question.  It does not mean you are saying dennpressure is wrong, just what would prove it wrong.

Nothing will prove it wrong because it''s a reality.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 04:05:44 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:57:11 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:56:20 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:53:00 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:28:30 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on August 08, 2016, 03:23:57 PM

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

Something took from a great height, like a video from a aircraft that is over the equator watching the land mass whizz by at great speed.

You realize that the atmosphere rotates with the earth too? Right

Does the atmosphere rotate with the Earth at 128,000 feet? If so, how fast...let's say, above new Mexico.

At 128,000, there isn't much atmosphere, but it rotates at 1 revolution per day.

No more questions. 

It's scary how naive you people are.

What was wrong with my answer?

Nothing in the fantasy world you live in. Plenty in reality.

Nothing in the fantasy world you live in. Plenty in reality.

You're just another case of:

I reject your reality and substitute my own. 

I think I'll stick to my own reality that actually works and really does explain what I see around me!

Nothing in the fantasy world you live in. Plenty in reality.

How do you  no without evidence?

Saying nothing would prove it wrong is just avoiding answering. 

I provided an incomplete list of what would prove gravity wrong.  Why can you not do at least that much for denpressure?

If you have a good understanding of your model you would know what would prove it wrong.
If you are open minded and willing to admit you can make mistakes you could give a list of what would prove your hypothesis wrong.

Part of discovery and learning about the world around us is accepting what proves a hypothesis or theory wrong.  If not things would likely never advance. 

If you can not answer what would prove denpressure wrong how about answering how the currently accepted model makes reliable and accurate predictions?

If someone can make reliable and accurate predictions it is strong evidence they are right about how something works.

Why do you think it is so common for FE's and other conspiracy theorist to answer the question similar to the way you did?  If I asked a scientist trying to prove something or developing a model they would give me answer.  It is even encouraged to think of what would prove them wrong.  Experiments are designed and conducted to prove a hypothesis or theory wrong.

How about tell us what would disprove gravity if you are uncomfortable saying what would disprove denpressure.

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 08, 2016, 03:16:58 PM

Scepti did you not follow my links? Did you not research James Dewar and find out his methods for freezing light gases? Did you fail to understand their findings?

We have shown you plenty of photographic proof of a rotating earth. You seem to reject all of them without a second thought. Why is that?

I reject them because they are not legitimate. They're not real.

Do you have any reason why you think James Dewar is not real?

What reasons do you have for rejecting the thousands of scholarly articles that pop up when you search google.scholar for "solid hydrogen" ?

What reasons do you have for rejecting the millions of images taken from space? Have you personally sifted through all of them and found flaws in every single one?

Once again, your post brings up many more questions than it answers (probably because you were being vague)

What do you think would be a legitimate photo?

How do you know the pictures from DSCOVR and Himawari-8 are fake?  Do you definitive proof?

Just so you both know, Scepti has in the past claimed to own 13 cameras if I recall correctly, one of which is several thousand dollars, yet pretended to be completely baffled as to why the sky "suddenly became dark" when the camera centered on the flame of a rocket and the auto exposure adjusted.  There were other instances of him demonstrating he knows nothing of photography, but you get the idea.

Anyways, I'm not seeing an answer as to why the molecules push, or are pushed, downward in his denpressure hypothesis, and I doubt we will get one.

I'm not seeing an answer as to why the molecules push, or are pushed, downward in his denpressure hypothesis, and I doubt we will get one.

I have already gotten this answer, let me see if I can explain it accurately.

At the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, at the very top of the stack, the molecules freeze to form an ice dome, offering resistance to the upward pressure of the atmosphere below.

What scepti fails to understand is the fact that the lighter gases (hydrogen and helium, namely) require very high pressure to become solids. Where this sudden high pressure comes from, he has yet to answer. He avoids my posts like the plague because he cannot answer my questions without looking foolish.

Quote from: 29silhouette on August 08, 2016, 07:53:45 PM

I'm not seeing an answer as to why the molecules push, or are pushed, downward in his denpressure hypothesis, and I doubt we will get one.

I have already gotten this answer, let me see if I can explain it accurately.

At the uppermost reaches of the atmosphere, at the very top of the stack, the molecules freeze to form an ice dome, offering resistance to the upward pressure of the atmosphere below.

What scepti fails to understand is the fact that the lighter gases (hydrogen and helium, namely) require very high pressure to become solids. Where this sudden high pressure comes from, he has yet to answer. He avoids my posts like the plague because he cannot answer my questions without looking foolish.

I see.  This brings another question to mind... since there is no gravity in his denpressure hypothesis, what makes hydrogen lighter than other gases like oxygen? 

Hydrogen is not lighter. Sometimes I get the terminology mixed up. I am so used to talking about gravity (indoctrination works!)

Hydrogen is simply the least dense. Hydrogen has no neutrons (which are similar in density, size and shape to protons) and only 1 neutron. It also only had 1 electron, so its total size is very small. Oxygen, on the other hand, has 8 protons and 8 neutrons, making it much larger. Oxygen also usually forms a covalent bond with 1 other oxygen atom, making the difference in relative size twice as large. Think of a beach ball vs a ping pong ball.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 04:25:04 PM

Nothing in the fantasy world you live in. Plenty in reality.

You're just another case of:

Quote from: Adam Savage

I reject your reality and substitute my own. 

I think I'll stick to my own reality that actually works and really does explain what I see around me!

You're entitled to do what you want but your mind is robotic for fantasy.
The star ship enterprise works in space and they can go to different dimensions and warp speeds/time, etc. It works on TV but it's not a reality, except in your mind, because it's been imprinted/ingrained/hypnotised into it to make/help you believe in all the other sci-fi nonsense.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 08, 2016, 03:20:02 PM

Quote from: TheRealBillNye on August 08, 2016, 03:16:58 PM

Scepti did you not follow my links? Did you not research James Dewar and find out his methods for freezing light gases? Did you fail to understand their findings?

We have shown you plenty of photographic proof of a rotating earth. You seem to reject all of them without a second thought. Why is that?

I reject them because they are not legitimate. They're not real.

Do you have any reason why you think James Dewar is not real?

What reasons do you have for rejecting the thousands of scholarly articles that pop up when you search google.scholar for "solid hydrogen" ?

What reasons do you have for rejecting the millions of images taken from space? Have you personally sifted through all of them and found flaws in every single one?

Once again, your post brings up many more questions than it answers (probably because you were being vague)

Tell me of a place where I can see solid hydrogen. Do you know if it can be made on Earth where we reside? Have you see it made?

You're entitled to do what you want but your mind is robotic for fantasy.
The star ship enterprise works in space and they can go to different dimensions and warp speeds/time, etc. It works on TV but it's not a reality, except in your mind, because it's been imprinted/ingrained/hypnotised into it to make/help you believe in all the other sci-fi nonsense.

Just like how hydrogen can freeze into a dome at low pressures only in your mind?

I have shown you several studies proving this to be false. You have not responded to all the mountain of evidence you would be buried under if you bothered to search for "solid hydrogen" in google.scholar

But why would you want to look at other people's work? You are the ultimate intelligence on this earth. All other creatures are but idle playthings, twisting in the agony of your genius. You are infallable. Denpressure is infallable. All evidence that suggests otherwise must be false.

Your ego knows no bounds.

Tell me of a place where I can see solid hydrogen. Do you know if it can be made on Earth where we reside? Have you see it made?

I implore you. Check out google.scholar

You will find literally thousands of tests conducted recently. Find a laboratory near you, ask if you can take a tour.

Or maybe you should have studied more in school so you could become a scientist for yourself. Then you could actually test and examine gas particles every day, instead of blindly guessing from inside your room.

Quote from: sceptimatic on August 09, 2016, 12:17:23 AM

You're entitled to do what you want but your mind is robotic for fantasy.
The star ship enterprise works in space and they can go to different dimensions and warp speeds/time, etc. It works on TV but it's not a reality, except in your mind, because it's been imprinted/ingrained/hypnotised into it to make/help you believe in all the other sci-fi nonsense.

Just like how hydrogen can freeze into a dome at low pressures only in your mind?

I have shown you several studies proving this to be false. You have not responded to all the mountain of evidence you would be buried under if you bothered to search for "solid hydrogen" in google.scholar

But why would you want to look at other people's work? You are the ultimate intelligence on this earth. All other creatures are but idle playthings, twisting in the agony of your genius. You are infallable. Denpressure is infallable. All evidence that suggests otherwise must be false.

Your ego knows no bounds.

You are merely in rejection mode. You have hit the mode where your efforts have to now be channelled into opposing at every opportunity using anything and everything from google, etc.

You still cannot understand what I'm arguing against and it's laughable to think how you and many of your like-minded peers go into super denial mode, rather than exercising your brain and helping to find the truth of many lies - misconceptions - misinformation - disinformation and what amounts to pure fantasy in many cases.

My ego is fine. My arrogance is fine. It's pleasant enough and is required to have in order to ensure that I do not allow myself to be backed into a corner by force of mass opinion of indoctrinated beliefs without leaving myself enough room to always edge my way out to keep coming back at you.

Why do you think you are infallible? You yourself have claimed that denpressure cannot be disproven. What makes you so sure?

Can you not see that you are also in denial? You reject literally thousands of individuals from all over the world. Why do you think you are so superior?

I have reasons why I reject the denpressure model. You have met my reasoning with abject denial without reason. Why do you think everybody is lying to you?