The quran and flat earth

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The quran and flat earth
« on: July 25, 2016, 03:47:36 AM »
This topic for muslims. Or only debate with FE theories. This topic is not opened for discussing between religions. I hope everybody attantion this situation.



Qur'an 15:19: And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

Qur'an 20:53: He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others.

Qur'an 43:10: (Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way)

Qur'an 50:7: And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-

Qur'an 51:48: And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!

Qur'an 71:19: And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out),

Qur'an 78:6: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse,

Qur'an 79:30: Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it.

Qur'an 88:20: and at the Earth, how it is spread out?

Qur'an 91:6: By the Earth and its (wide) expanse

Qur'an 2:22: Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).

Qur'an 18:86: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Qur'an 18:47: One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.

Qur'an 2:144: We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

Qur'an 55:17: (He is) Lord of the two Easts and Lord of the two Wests

Qur'an 39:5: He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night: He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His law): Each one follows a course for a time appointed. Is not He the Exalted in Power - He Who forgives again and again?

According to quran, this is the shape of the earth:



Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.

Notice: The author don't took care about quran says "the water comes from sky".

Quran 16:10 It is He who sends down rain from the sky; from it is drink and from it is foliage in which you pasture [animals].

This verse completes the firmament as contain water like bible do. Where the water come from? Water coming from the sky.

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2016, 05:14:42 AM »
I found this. Read all of this:

Could you please explain these Quranic verse. Actually one Non Muslim asked me to explain these verses.
Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Does it mean that Earth is flat? Tafsir Jalalayn says that EARTH is flat. But it is against Established Science.

Answer:

Praise be to Allah

Firstly:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the earth is round, but to human eyes it appears to be flat, because it is very big and its roundness or curvature cannot be seen at close distances. So the one who stands and looks sees it as flat, but when viewed as a whole, in reality it is round.

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The proofs of the Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that it is round. End quote.

See also the answers to questions no. 201530 and 118698

Secondly:

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)” [Nooh 71:19] indicates that it is spread out and shaped so that people can feel settled in it and be able to live and prosper in it. Ibn Katheer said:

That is, He spread it out, prepared it, made it stable and made it firm by means of the mountains.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/247

Similarly, the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “Have We not made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6] means that it is spread out and prepared for you and for your benefit, so that you can cultivate it, build dwellings in it and travel through it.

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, it is prepared for people in such a way that they can live in it, and it is firm, stable and steady.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/307

And the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion” [al-Hijr 15:19] means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers” [ar-Ra‘d 13:3].

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Ar-Raazi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If it is said: Do the words “And the earth We spread out” indicate that it is flat?

We would respond: Yes, because the earth, even though it is round, is an enormous sphere, and each little part of this enormous sphere, when it is looked at, appears to be flat. As that is the case, this will dispel what they mentioned of confusion. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And the mountains as pegs” [an-Naba’ 78:7]. He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case.

End quote from Tafseer ar-Raazi, 19/131

Shaykh ash-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If the scholars of Islam affirm that the earth is round, then what would they say about the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?

And at the heaven, how it is raised?

And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?

And at the earth, how it is spread out?”

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17-20].

Their response will be the same as their response concerning the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86] – that is, as it appears to be in the eye of the beholder, because the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on. End quote.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 8/428

Shaykh Rafee‘ ad-Deen ibn Waliyullah ad-Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his book at-Takmeel:

Some may understand words such as “made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6], “He spread the earth” [an-Naazi‘aat 79:30] and “…how it is spread out…” [al-Ghaashiyah 88: 20] as meaning that it is flat, whereas the scholars affirm that it is round on the basis of sound evidence, so it is thought that there is a conflict. That may be refuted by the fact that the visible part of it (for a person standing on it) appears flat, because the larger a circle is, the more spread out it is, so we may say that it is flat on the basis of that part of it that is visible to us, and it is round in its totality, on the basis of rational thinking.

Quoted from him by Siddeeq Hasan Khan in his tafseer, Fath al-Bayaan, 15/208

And Allah knows best.

And plus, this verse from Ar-Rahman proves that the firmament is wrong:

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]. Ar-rahman, 33

We have done this which proves that the Firmament idea from the qur'an is wrong.

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2016, 05:26:39 AM »
I found this. Read all of this:

Could you please explain these Quranic verse. Actually one Non Muslim asked me to explain these verses.
Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Does it mean that Earth is flat? Tafsir Jalalayn says that EARTH is flat. But it is against Established Science.

Answer:

Praise be to Allah

Firstly:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the earth is round, but to human eyes it appears to be flat, because it is very big and its roundness or curvature cannot be seen at close distances. So the one who stands and looks sees it as flat, but when viewed as a whole, in reality it is round.

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The proofs of the Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that it is round. End quote.

See also the answers to questions no. 201530 and 118698

Secondly:

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)” [Nooh 71:19] indicates that it is spread out and shaped so that people can feel settled in it and be able to live and prosper in it. Ibn Katheer said:

That is, He spread it out, prepared it, made it stable and made it firm by means of the mountains.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/247

Similarly, the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “Have We not made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6] means that it is spread out and prepared for you and for your benefit, so that you can cultivate it, build dwellings in it and travel through it.

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, it is prepared for people in such a way that they can live in it, and it is firm, stable and steady.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/307

And the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion” [al-Hijr 15:19] means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers” [ar-Ra‘d 13:3].

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Ar-Raazi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If it is said: Do the words “And the earth We spread out” indicate that it is flat?

We would respond: Yes, because the earth, even though it is round, is an enormous sphere, and each little part of this enormous sphere, when it is looked at, appears to be flat. As that is the case, this will dispel what they mentioned of confusion. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And the mountains as pegs” [an-Naba’ 78:7]. He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case.

End quote from Tafseer ar-Raazi, 19/131

Shaykh ash-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If the scholars of Islam affirm that the earth is round, then what would they say about the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?

And at the heaven, how it is raised?

And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?

And at the earth, how it is spread out?”

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17-20].

Their response will be the same as their response concerning the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86] – that is, as it appears to be in the eye of the beholder, because the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on. End quote.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 8/428

Shaykh Rafee‘ ad-Deen ibn Waliyullah ad-Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his book at-Takmeel:

Some may understand words such as “made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6], “He spread the earth” [an-Naazi‘aat 79:30] and “…how it is spread out…” [al-Ghaashiyah 88: 20] as meaning that it is flat, whereas the scholars affirm that it is round on the basis of sound evidence, so it is thought that there is a conflict. That may be refuted by the fact that the visible part of it (for a person standing on it) appears flat, because the larger a circle is, the more spread out it is, so we may say that it is flat on the basis of that part of it that is visible to us, and it is round in its totality, on the basis of rational thinking.

Quoted from him by Siddeeq Hasan Khan in his tafseer, Fath al-Bayaan, 15/208

And Allah knows best.

And plus, this verse from Ar-Rahman proves that the firmament is wrong:

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]. Ar-rahman, 33

We have done this which proves that the Firmament idea from the qur'an is wrong.

I know somebody defend the idea the earth is globe there is more scholars than flat earters a few. This situation caused by the rule of "quran don't conflict with science". So the scholars commentary the verses with scientific facts. This action is not true. they should do their task objectively . According to this perspective christian clergy are more neutral.

According to quran, quran don't contradict to bible and torah, but possible to conradict to science! Because quran knows the science is a lie. (!)

I do irony when i say "quran defends the earth is flat". Actually quran don't say it directly. But therewithal don't say the earth is globe. These comments are all scholar's own opinion. The differences are opinions causes differentiation. Should no comments to make one meaning. There is more verses cause we think the earth is flat than  the earth is globe. We know our book is quran, not bible. But i'm believing the book never changes what God said but people install different meanings to verses. There is some clear verses on bible that causes we think the earth is flat. So Our assessment must in this light sourced on Bible, not science.

Are you thinking the science is more reliable than Bible, then you are not understand what is the meaning of "believing the books". These books contains "quran, bible, zabur and torah" but not "science book". Science can do mistake but God doesn't. While God doesn't reference the science book, how can you do that? Trust God always say true, but human not. Nobody can change God's words, you can't show me any verse claiming Bible is changed. Oppositely there is a lot of verses on quran directly confirms Bible. But God never reference to any of scientist neither on quran, nor on bible and nor on the torah! But references other books only known as God sent.

Take care what are you believing to. If you believing somebody can change God's own words, you don't believing to God. You are believing somebody or something but not God. I know how about him, trust he never mistakes and nobody can change his own words. If you don't believe this sentence, you are believing to God with "missing adjectives " ."God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives." (translate the red sentences from a translation)

If you think then you know. What is the meaning of "God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives".

If you believe somebody change his own words; Tell me how can you believing to "God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives"??
Be yourself! Think first what is God?
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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2016, 06:55:22 AM »
Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.

Nobody believes it to be chance.  The Quran is often compatible with the Torah because it is very clear that the Muslims that compiled it borrowed extensively from Jewish sources.

Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2016, 07:02:03 AM »
I found this. Read all of this:

Could you please explain these Quranic verse. Actually one Non Muslim asked me to explain these verses.
Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.
Does it mean that Earth is flat? Tafsir Jalalayn says that EARTH is flat. But it is against Established Science.

Answer:

Praise be to Allah

Firstly:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the earth is round, but to human eyes it appears to be flat, because it is very big and its roundness or curvature cannot be seen at close distances. So the one who stands and looks sees it as flat, but when viewed as a whole, in reality it is round.

Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

The proofs of the Qur’an and Sunnah indicate that it is round. End quote.

See also the answers to questions no. 201530 and 118698

Secondly:

The verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse)” [Nooh 71:19] indicates that it is spread out and shaped so that people can feel settled in it and be able to live and prosper in it. Ibn Katheer said:

That is, He spread it out, prepared it, made it stable and made it firm by means of the mountains.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/247

Similarly, the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “Have We not made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6] means that it is spread out and prepared for you and for your benefit, so that you can cultivate it, build dwellings in it and travel through it.

Ibn Katheer said:

That is, it is prepared for people in such a way that they can live in it, and it is firm, stable and steady.

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 8/307

And the verse (interpretation of the meaning) “And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion” [al-Hijr 15:19] means We spread it out and placed firm mountains therein. This is like the verse in which Allah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And it is He Who spread out the earth, and placed therein firm mountains and rivers” [ar-Ra‘d 13:3].

There is no contradiction between saying that it is round and saying that it was spread out, because in fact in its totality it is round, but to the one who stands on it and looks at it, it appears flat, as it appears to everyone.

Ar-Raazi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If it is said: Do the words “And the earth We spread out” indicate that it is flat?

We would respond: Yes, because the earth, even though it is round, is an enormous sphere, and each little part of this enormous sphere, when it is looked at, appears to be flat. As that is the case, this will dispel what they mentioned of confusion. The evidence for that is the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And the mountains as pegs” [an-Naba’ 78:7]. He called them awtaad (pegs) even though these mountains may have large flat surfaces. And the same is true in this case.

End quote from Tafseer ar-Raazi, 19/131

Shaykh ash-Shanqeeti (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

If the scholars of Islam affirm that the earth is round, then what would they say about the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Do they not look at the camels, how they are created?

And at the heaven, how it is raised?

And at the mountains, how they are rooted and fixed firm?

And at the earth, how it is spread out?”

[al-Ghaashiyah 88:17-20].

Their response will be the same as their response concerning the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water” [al-Kahf 18:86] – that is, as it appears to be in the eye of the beholder, because the sun sets on one country, but remains up in the sky for another, until it rises from the east on the following morning. So the earth looks flat in every region or part of it, because of its immense size.

This does not contradict its real shape, because we may see a very high mountain, but if we climb it and reach its summit we may find a flat surface there, and find an entire nation living there, and some of the people there may not know anything about the rest of the world, and so on. End quote.

Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 8/428

Shaykh Rafee‘ ad-Deen ibn Waliyullah ad-Dahlawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his book at-Takmeel:

Some may understand words such as “made the earth as a bed” [an-Naba’ 78:6], “He spread the earth” [an-Naazi‘aat 79:30] and “…how it is spread out…” [al-Ghaashiyah 88: 20] as meaning that it is flat, whereas the scholars affirm that it is round on the basis of sound evidence, so it is thought that there is a conflict. That may be refuted by the fact that the visible part of it (for a person standing on it) appears flat, because the larger a circle is, the more spread out it is, so we may say that it is flat on the basis of that part of it that is visible to us, and it is round in its totality, on the basis of rational thinking.

Quoted from him by Siddeeq Hasan Khan in his tafseer, Fath al-Bayaan, 15/208

And Allah knows best.

And plus, this verse from Ar-Rahman proves that the firmament is wrong:

O company of jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by authority [from Allah ]. Ar-rahman, 33

We have done this which proves that the Firmament idea from the qur'an is wrong.

I know somebody defend the idea the earth is globe there is more scholars than flat earters a few. This situation caused by the rule of "quran don't conflict with science". So the scholars commentary the verses with scientific facts. This action is not true. they should do their task objectively . According to this perspective christian clergy are more neutral.

According to quran, quran don't contradict to bible and torah, but possible to conradict to science! Because quran knows the science is a lie. (!)

I do irony when i say "quran defends the earth is flat". Actually quran don't say it directly. But therewithal don't say the earth is globe. These comments are all scholar's own opinion. The differences are opinions causes differentiation. Should no comments to make one meaning. There is more verses cause we think the earth is flat than  the earth is globe. We know our book is quran, not bible. But i'm believing the book never changes what God said but people install different meanings to verses. There is some clear verses on bible that causes we think the earth is flat. So Our assessment must in this light sourced on Bible, not science.

Are you thinking the science is more reliable than Bible, then you are not understand what is the meaning of "believing the books". These books contains "quran, bible, zabur and torah" but not "science book". Science can do mistake but God doesn't. While God doesn't reference the science book, how can you do that? Trust God always say true, but human not. Nobody can change God's words, you can't show me any verse claiming Bible is changed. Oppositely there is a lot of verses on quran directly confirms Bible. But God never reference to any of scientist neither on quran, nor on bible and nor on the torah! But references other books only known as God sent.

Take care what are you believing to. If you believing somebody can change God's own words, you don't believing to God. You are believing somebody or something but not God. I know how about him, trust he never mistakes and nobody can change his own words. If you don't believe this sentence, you are believing to God with "missing adjectives " ."God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives." (translate the red sentences from a translation)

If you think then you know. What is the meaning of "God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives".

If you believe somebody change his own words; Tell me how can you believing to "God is unfettered  from the missing adjectives"??
Be yourself! Think first what is God?


Let me explain. God is never wrong. Allah said in the Qur'an that the qur'an doesn't contradicts with science. In fact, it supports it. Like for example, the qur'an says that the universe is expanding, because it came from a single point until Allah split it. Let's put it this way. For 2500 years, we know that the earth was round. The greeks, the romans, the indians, the mayans and by the 15th century, the catholic church and the muslim scholars agreed the world is round, not flat. 2 Major religions say that the earth is round.

In fact, no one before 500 B.C. thought that the earth was flat. That is why you could calculate the curvature of the earth without leaving egypt as Pythagoras did. The muslim world believed that the earth was round. State in the qur'an that was not previously mentioned in my previous post that the earth is flat. If you could find one.

and most importantly, The world is round, because we have tons of evidence. From religion to science and common sense. While the flat earthers have nothing.

Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2016, 07:03:40 AM »
Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.

Nobody believes it to be chance.  The Quran is often compatible with the Torah because it is very clear that the Muslims that compiled it borrowed extensively from Jewish sources.

In muslim religion, we believe that Allah created the 4 holy books. The torah, zabur, Bible and the Qur'an. It's like saying that a book is similar to the another book because the writer is the same. Each newer book completes the previous ones and each newer one gets better and better.

Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2016, 07:26:57 AM »
Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.
I do not believe in chance either. 

The fact remains:  Ancient peoples knew what modern peoples can only know with modern technology. 

How did ancient people know the true form of the earth???   
There are only 2 possibilities: 
1) they had telescopes, balloons, cameras, aeroplanes, etc. 
or
2) God told them the truth. 

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 07:55:16 AM »
The fact remains:  Ancient peoples knew what modern peoples can only know with modern technology.
No, ancient peoples knew what they could know with what they had available to them.

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How did ancient people know the true form of the earth???
They had geometry and could make observations over large distances.  Those are the only two things necessary to come to the conclusion that the Earth is round.  Eratosthenes even used simple shadow measurements to figure out its curvature.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2016, 07:57:24 AM by AdamSK »

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 11:42:12 AM »

Let me explain. God is never wrong. Allah said in the Qur'an that the qur'an doesn't contradicts with science.  (1)In fact, it supports it. Like for example, the qur'an says that the universe is expanding, because it came from a single point until Allah split it. Let's put it this way. For 2500 years, we know that the earth was round. The greeks, the romans, the indians, the mayans and by the 15th century, the catholic church and the muslim scholars agreed the world is round, not flat. 2 Major religions say that the earth is round.

In fact, no one before 500 B.C. thought that the earth was flat. That is why you could calculate the curvature of the earth without leaving egypt as Pythagoras did. The muslim world believed that the earth was round. State in the qur'an that was not previously mentioned in my previous post that the earth is flat. If you could find one.

and most importantly, The world is round, because we have tons of evidence. From religion to science and common sense. While the flat earthers have nothing.

(1) Allah doesn't said in the qur'an doesn't contradicts with science. This is a prejudice that is not true. Because the science sometimes making big mistakes and Allah knows that. So Allah never claims the quran doesn't contradicts with science. It is impossible to say and you can't show me a verse that God said it on anywhere that claims God sent it. It is completely impossible, neither on bible, nor on the torah God never says "the book doesn't contradicts with science." Because usually the science is a lie.

I disagree with your scientific argument. A lot of scholars was said the earth is round but a lot of other scholars said the earth is a flat. Most of they said the earth is round ( as a circle, not as a curve.) There is rarely scholars said the earth is round as a curve or spheroid. I'm saying the earth is a flat because of you are using the word of round as cure or spheroid, actually i can say the earth is round because it is round as a circle.

Now; lets look the (1)st matter again:

Allah said on quran that he confirmed to bible. :

quran 3:3 It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Quran) to you (Muhammad SAW) with truth, confirming what came before it. And he sent down the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel).

Show me where God said confirmed to science? You can use quran, bible or torah, i'm accepting everyone of them.

Now, lets look 5:47

quran 5:47 : And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

If gospel (bible) is wrong, why Allah saying to christs judge with it? Is Allah forcing the christians do mistake? No. He knows the bible is true and Trust that he sent.

When you say the bible is changed, actually you insult to God with saying something that contradicted with "unfettered by the missing adjectives." How can you accept it by yourself? unbelievable. And describes yourself as believing to God. You are saying lie. You are believing something but not God.

Allah said on quran that ; look:

quran 5:44:

... "And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers."

You do judge with what Allah doesn't said. Because you are saying the bible changed but Allah doesn't revealed it. You can't show me a verse prove your judge as the bible is changed. But i'm showing a verse that confirming to bible. So i do a judge with what Allah revealed.

Choose your side as true. Do you with what God said, or do you with what somebody said?

Don't definition yourself as a muslim, because you are not. This is not my opinion, this is according to Allah.
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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 12:33:32 PM »
The Word of God does not conflict with science.

Science says the Earth is round.

The two above statements brings me to this conclusion:

In the Holy text metaphors are used and should not be taken literally.  The other option is people are interpreting God's word wrong.


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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2016, 12:36:35 PM »
The Word of God does not conflict with science.

Science says the Earth is round.

The two above statements brings me to this conclusion:

In the Holy text metaphors are used and should not be taken literally.  The other option is people are interpreting God's word wrong.

A more reasonable conclusion would be, that the "Holy texts" are just not the "Word of god"

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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 01:49:33 PM »
The Word of God does not conflict with science.

Science says the Earth is round.

The two above statements brings me to this conclusion:

In the Holy text metaphors are used and should not be taken literally.  The other option is people are interpreting God's word wrong.

Science saying lie but God doesn't.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 02:25:18 PM »
Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.

Nobody believes it to be chance.  The Quran is often compatible with the Torah because it is very clear that the Muslims that compiled it borrowed extensively from Jewish sources.

This perspective does not make a difference.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 02:26:26 PM »
Do you see how is it compatible with Bible? is it a chance? No, I don't believe to chance.
I do not believe in chance either. 

The fact remains:  Ancient peoples knew what modern peoples can only know with modern technology. 

How did ancient people know the true form of the earth???   
There are only 2 possibilities: 
1) they had telescopes, balloons, cameras, aeroplanes, etc. 
or
2) God told them the truth.

God told them the truth is more sense.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 04:07:17 PM »
I don't take the quran all that seriously so the passages doesn't affect me. Though to be fair I've heard that even those verses aren't claiming that the earth is flat but I don't know how to defend that.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2016, 06:47:28 PM »
God told them the truth is more sense.
Amen. 
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2016, 12:51:46 AM »
God told them the truth is more sense.
Amen. 
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Science = Lie = Dark = Hate = Satanic world. :)
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2016, 12:57:42 AM »
I don't take the quran all that seriously so the passages doesn't affect me. Though to be fair I've heard that even those verses aren't claiming that the earth is flat but I don't know how to defend that.

We  are already not waiting the verses on the quran do effect to you. :)

They are defending to quran saying the earth is globe with some arguments came not from quran. They are listening someone except "Allah" or what "Hz Mohammad" said. They are considering what is he said who has the name of "Aboo so-and-so", "Ibny so-and-so", but aren't considering what Allah or Hz Mohammad said who they are declarated to believe to. this behavior only can explained by stupidity or dishonesty.

As everybody see that how they are dishonesty by saying "we accept the bible". If the book were not changed, and only some rules was changed, so how and why God changed his idea about the earth was flat on bible and after that on the quran he changed his mind to the earth is a globe.

Is God changed the shape of the earth while he changing the rules on the book? This is a fatal question . these hypocrites do not answer it.  :)

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2016, 01:24:23 PM »
I don't take the quran all that seriously so the passages doesn't affect me. Though to be fair I've heard that even those verses aren't claiming that the earth is flat but I don't know how to defend that.

We  are already not waiting the verses on the quran do effect to you. :)

They are defending to quran saying the earth is globe with some arguments came not from quran. They are listening someone except "Allah" or what "Hz Mohammad" said. They are considering what is he said who has the name of "Aboo so-and-so", "Ibny so-and-so", but aren't considering what Allah or Hz Mohammad said who they are declarated to believe to. this behavior only can explained by stupidity or dishonesty.

As everybody see that how they are dishonesty by saying "we accept the bible". If the book were not changed, and only some rules was changed, so how and why God changed his idea about the earth was flat on bible and after that on the quran he changed his mind to the earth is a globe.

Is God changed the shape of the earth while he changing the rules on the book? This is a fatal question . these hypocrites do not answer it.  :)

I don't think the quran was inspired. It has many contradictions to the Bible. For example are Bible claims that Jesus is the son of God and God himself yet the quran claims he's only a prophet. So whatever the quran says I doubt its from God.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 02:41:08 PM »
I don't take the quran all that seriously so the passages doesn't affect me. Though to be fair I've heard that even those verses aren't claiming that the earth is flat but I don't know how to defend that.

We  are already not waiting the verses on the quran do effect to you. :)

They are defending to quran saying the earth is globe with some arguments came not from quran. They are listening someone except "Allah" or what "Hz Mohammad" said. They are considering what is he said who has the name of "Aboo so-and-so", "Ibny so-and-so", but aren't considering what Allah or Hz Mohammad said who they are declarated to believe to. this behavior only can explained by stupidity or dishonesty.

As everybody see that how they are dishonesty by saying "we accept the bible". If the book were not changed, and only some rules was changed, so how and why God changed his idea about the earth was flat on bible and after that on the quran he changed his mind to the earth is a globe.

Is God changed the shape of the earth while he changing the rules on the book? This is a fatal question . these hypocrites do not answer it.  :)

I don't think the quran was inspired. It has many contradictions to the Bible. For example are Bible claims that Jesus is the son of God and God himself yet the quran claims he's only a prophet. So whatever the quran says I doubt its from God.

You are wellcome to non believers society. :)

There are no contradictions but you are talking like most of muslims talk. They are on same opinion with you. How interesting. :)

Your example is almost all non-believers argumant. But i disagree this.

To explain what i mean, you should to see a verse on quran about Maria and Jesus.

quran 21:91. This is not an original translation:

And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.

This translation is same from http://quran.com/21/91  This translation is completely a lie. Because there is no word as angel or Gabriel on the verse.

Lets look to the original:

وَالَّتِي أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهَا مِن رُّوحِنَا وَجَعَلْنَاهَا وَابْنَهَا آيَةً لِّلْعَالَمِينَ ﴿٩١﴾

1.   velletî (ve elletî)   : and her
2.   ahsanet   : saved
3.   ferce-hâ   : virginity
4.   fe nefah-nâ   : then we blew
5.   fî-hâ   : in her
6.   min rûhi-nâ   : our soul
7.   ve cealnâ-hâ   : and made her
8.   vebne-hâ (ve ibne-hâ)   : her son
9.   âyeten   : a verse
10.   li el âlemîne   : to realms.

Now we translate it by original writing:

I blew my soul to "in her" (to Maria's in), and made her impregnate while she had saved her virginity. I do this for be a warning to all realms. (quran:21:91)

This is my translation about this verse is better than all other translations all over the world.

Now.

Quran clearly talking about Jesus what he is. Is there any contradiction this verse with bible? No. on the contrary of complementing and supporting.

I'll explain why muslims react when they heard Jesus as God's son. Actually all we read what Jesus is. God told detailed about his birth. howbeit God saying on quran that he react Jesus observed equivalent to God.

I know God very well and i understand why he sent quran. Because this is a reaction to most of people observed  Jesus equivalent to God. That's the whole point. Islam is a response action of God. To accept or not, i know the logic of God, why send quran.

Bible is not changed. quran, the Torah and the Bible does not contradict . only God's attitude is changing because people change their behavior. And sometimes people add their comments to verses.

Can you tell me how a man says quran don't say there is no relationship between God and Jesus after see this verse?

I blew my soul to "in her" (to Maria's in), and made her impregnate while she had saved her virginity. I do this for be a warning to all realms. (quran:21:91)

This is a kind of artificial insemination. This detail not in the Bible. So this verse complementing the bible with how God made Maria to pregrant. This makes relationship between God and Jesus. There is no any other explanation. I don't want to talk more about it. everything is very clear. There is no contradiction. But there is brutal denial on almost all muslims and almost all christians about don't understand what read, don't see what look ! This is not my problem, but all you have.

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I want to show you a verse that showed as main objection to Bible from muslims. verse ihlas. This is almost most known verse of quran. And who heard it, verse motivates him hinder to think a relationship about God. Lets look:

From http://quran.com/112:1

1- Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One, (in my opinion, translation is true)
2- Allah , the Eternal Refuge.  (in my opinion, translation is true)
3- He neither begets nor is born, (in my opinion, translation is WRONG)
4- Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (in my opinion, translation is true)

Now lets look the verse which i protested it.

لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ

lem yelid : never borne
ve lem yûled: never bear

This is about all of Turkish translation: never borne, never bear.

The first one is showing God never be a son of someone. And the second one is showing God is never be a mother. How about father? There isn't. Just There is a word game here . God want to people think about nobody is relatives him. but he is doing without using the word father . This is not a joke ,  this verse is a fact verse on quran and who heard it, directly think God never and never be relatives to someone.

To determine this situation i think it requered a man like me. Trying to say truth in every situation.

Thank you for read me.
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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2016, 03:39:13 PM »
I sympathize that there is some overlap,  but let's agree to try to keep the purely religious debate over inspired (or not) texts to the appropriate sub-forum and try to keep this discussion centered on the relationship between the Quran and the flat earth.
Again, I know it's easier said then done, and the segue from one to the other is a natural one.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2016, 10:13:19 PM »
I don't believe in any holy book. I am a complete atheist. All of religion is hoo doo to me
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2016, 10:31:12 PM »
That's entirely your prerogative,  but discuss that in the philosophy and religion subforum. Not here.
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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2016, 05:23:25 AM »
the OP mentions a dome

meteors disprove the dome

making this an instant fail at testing, you can metaphor all you like, it fails at testing meaning its completely wrong

that's called cross examination, cross examination gives absolute answers

Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2017, 06:03:27 AM »
Flat Earth in Quran

1.yunus 10:5
2.Ibrahim 14:33
3.al anbiya 21:33
4.An-Nur 24:43
5.luqman 31:29
6.Fatir 35:13
7.ya sin 36:38
8.ya Sin 36:40
9.az zumar 39:5
10.ar rahman 55:5

1.Yunus 5 (10:5)
huwa alladhi ja'ala l-shamsa diyaan wal-qamara nuran waqaddarahu manazila lita'lamu adada l-sinina wal-hisaba ma khalaqa i-lahu dhalika illa bil-haqi yufassilu l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna.

It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know

2. Ibrahim 33 (14:33)
Wasakhara lakumul shamsa wal qamara daibayni wasakhara lakumu al layla wal nahara

And He subjected for you the sun and the moon, continuous [in orbit], and subjected for you the night and the day.

3. Al Anbiya 33 (21:33)
wahuwa alladhi khalaqa al-layla wal-nahara wal-shamsa wal-qamara kullun fi falaqin yasbahuna

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

4.An-Nur 24:43
Alam tara anna l-laha yuz'ji sahaban thumma yu-allifu baynahu thumma yaj'aluhu rukaman fatara l-wadqa yakhruju min khilalihi wayunazzilu mina l-samai min jibalin fiha min baradin fayusibu bihi man yashau wayasrifuhu 'an man yashau yakadu sana barqihi yadhhabu bil-absari

Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight.


5. Luqman 29 (31:29)
Alam tara anna l-laha yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri ila ajalin musamman wa-anna l-laha bima ta'maluna khabirun.

Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah , with whatever you do, is Acquainted?


6. Fatir 13 (35:13)
yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman dhalikumu l-lahu rabbukum lahu l-mul'ku wa-alladhina tad'una min dunihi ma yamlikuna min qit'mirin

He causes the night to enter the day, and He causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon - each running [its course] for a specified term. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs sovereignty. And those whom you invoke other than Him do not possess [as much as] the membrane of a date seed.

7. Ya-Sin 38 (36:38)
wal-shamsu tajri limus'taqarrin laha dhalika taqdiru l-azizi l-alimi

And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

8. Ya-Sin 40 (36:40)
la l-shamsu yanbaghi laha an tud'rika l-qamara wala al-laylu sabiqu l-nahari wakullun falakin yasbahuna.

It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

9. Az Zumar 5 (39:5)
khalaqa l-samawati wal-arda bil-haqi yukawwiru al-layla ala l-nahari wayukawwiru l-nahara ala al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman ala huwa l-azizu l-ghafaru

He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

10. Ar Rahman 5 (55:5)
al-shamsu wal-qamaru bihus'banin

The sun and the moon (move) by precise calculation,


About Star

1. As Saffat 37:6
inna zayyanna l-samaa l-dunya bizinatin l-kawakibi

Indeed, We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of stars

2. Al Hijr 15:16
walaqad ja'alna fi l-samai burujan wazayyanaha lilnnazirina

And We have placed within the heaven great stars and have beautified it for the observers.

3. An Nahl 16:16
wa'alamatin wabil-namji hum yahtaduna

4. Al An'am 6:97
wahuwa alladhi ja'ala lakumu l-nujuma litahtadu biha fi zulumati l-bari wal-bari wal-bahri qad fasalna l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna

And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.

And landmarks. And by the stars they are [also] guided.

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2017, 04:19:29 AM »
Flat Earth in Quran
I am not questioning your interpretation or any other, but what in those portions of the Qu'ran indicate a flat earth.
On at least a cursory reading, there seems little that might conflict with a description of the sun, moon and stars in the Globe earth model.
Certainly many (though I have no idea what proportion) Muslims seem the accept the Globe, right from the earliest times.

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2017, 04:27:01 AM »
I am a muslim and a roundie. This is plain bullshit. Unfortunately I cannot understand arabic, but I do know that a lot of information gets lost or changed when something is translated. Even if it really meant "spread out", that still doesn't say anything about the shape of the earth.
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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 04:37:03 AM »
Flat Earth in Quran

1.yunus 10:5
2.Ibrahim 14:33
3.al anbiya 21:33
4.An-Nur 24:43
5.luqman 31:29
6.Fatir 35:13
7.ya sin 36:38
8.ya Sin 36:40
9.az zumar 39:5
10.ar rahman 55:5

1.Yunus 5 (10:5)
huwa alladhi ja'ala l-shamsa diyaan wal-qamara nuran waqaddarahu manazila lita'lamu adada l-sinina wal-hisaba ma khalaqa i-lahu dhalika illa bil-haqi yufassilu l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna.

It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know

2. Ibrahim 33 (14:33)
Wasakhara lakumul shamsa wal qamara daibayni wasakhara lakumu al layla wal nahara

And He subjected for you the sun and the moon, continuous [in orbit], and subjected for you the night and the day.

3. Al Anbiya 33 (21:33)
wahuwa alladhi khalaqa al-layla wal-nahara wal-shamsa wal-qamara kullun fi falaqin yasbahuna

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

4.An-Nur 24:43
Alam tara anna l-laha yuz'ji sahaban thumma yu-allifu baynahu thumma yaj'aluhu rukaman fatara l-wadqa yakhruju min khilalihi wayunazzilu mina l-samai min jibalin fiha min baradin fayusibu bihi man yashau wayasrifuhu 'an man yashau yakadu sana barqihi yadhhabu bil-absari

Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight.


5. Luqman 29 (31:29)
Alam tara anna l-laha yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri ila ajalin musamman wa-anna l-laha bima ta'maluna khabirun.

Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah , with whatever you do, is Acquainted?


6. Fatir 13 (35:13)
yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman dhalikumu l-lahu rabbukum lahu l-mul'ku wa-alladhina tad'una min dunihi ma yamlikuna min qit'mirin

He causes the night to enter the day, and He causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon - each running [its course] for a specified term. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs sovereignty. And those whom you invoke other than Him do not possess [as much as] the membrane of a date seed.

7. Ya-Sin 38 (36:38)
wal-shamsu tajri limus'taqarrin laha dhalika taqdiru l-azizi l-alimi

And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

8. Ya-Sin 40 (36:40)
la l-shamsu yanbaghi laha an tud'rika l-qamara wala al-laylu sabiqu l-nahari wakullun falakin yasbahuna.

It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

9. Az Zumar 5 (39:5)
khalaqa l-samawati wal-arda bil-haqi yukawwiru al-layla ala l-nahari wayukawwiru l-nahara ala al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman ala huwa l-azizu l-ghafaru

He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

10. Ar Rahman 5 (55:5)
al-shamsu wal-qamaru bihus'banin

The sun and the moon (move) by precise calculation,


About Star

1. As Saffat 37:6
inna zayyanna l-samaa l-dunya bizinatin l-kawakibi

Indeed, We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of stars

2. Al Hijr 15:16
walaqad ja'alna fi l-samai burujan wazayyanaha lilnnazirina

And We have placed within the heaven great stars and have beautified it for the observers.

3. An Nahl 16:16
wa'alamatin wabil-namji hum yahtaduna

4. Al An'am 6:97
wahuwa alladhi ja'ala lakumu l-nujuma litahtadu biha fi zulumati l-bari wal-bari wal-bahri qad fasalna l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna

And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.

And landmarks. And by the stars they are [also] guided.

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Nothing I read in those quotes made any specific reference to a flat earth whatsoever.

Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 08:32:42 AM »
Flat Earth in Quran

1.yunus 10:5
2.Ibrahim 14:33
3.al anbiya 21:33
4.An-Nur 24:43
5.luqman 31:29
6.Fatir 35:13
7.ya sin 36:38
8.ya Sin 36:40
9.az zumar 39:5
10.ar rahman 55:5

1.Yunus 5 (10:5)
huwa alladhi ja'ala l-shamsa diyaan wal-qamara nuran waqaddarahu manazila lita'lamu adada l-sinina wal-hisaba ma khalaqa i-lahu dhalika illa bil-haqi yufassilu l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna.

It is He who made the sun a shining light and the moon a derived light and determined for it phases - that you may know the number of years and account [of time]. Allah has not created this except in truth. He details the signs for a people who know

2. Ibrahim 33 (14:33)
Wasakhara lakumul shamsa wal qamara daibayni wasakhara lakumu al layla wal nahara

And He subjected for you the sun and the moon, continuous [in orbit], and subjected for you the night and the day.

3. Al Anbiya 33 (21:33)
wahuwa alladhi khalaqa al-layla wal-nahara wal-shamsa wal-qamara kullun fi falaqin yasbahuna

And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming.

4.An-Nur 24:43
Alam tara anna l-laha yuz'ji sahaban thumma yu-allifu baynahu thumma yaj'aluhu rukaman fatara l-wadqa yakhruju min khilalihi wayunazzilu mina l-samai min jibalin fiha min baradin fayusibu bihi man yashau wayasrifuhu 'an man yashau yakadu sana barqihi yadhhabu bil-absari

Do you not see that Allah drives clouds? Then He brings them together, then He makes them into a mass, and you see the rain emerge from within it. And He sends down from the sky, mountains [of clouds] within which is hail, and He strikes with it whom He wills and averts it from whom He wills. The flash of its lightening almost takes away the eyesight.


5. Luqman 29 (31:29)
Alam tara anna l-laha yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri ila ajalin musamman wa-anna l-laha bima ta'maluna khabirun.

Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah , with whatever you do, is Acquainted?


6. Fatir 13 (35:13)
yuliju al-layla fi l-nahari wayuliju l-nahara fi al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman dhalikumu l-lahu rabbukum lahu l-mul'ku wa-alladhina tad'una min dunihi ma yamlikuna min qit'mirin

He causes the night to enter the day, and He causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon - each running [its course] for a specified term. That is Allah , your Lord; to Him belongs sovereignty. And those whom you invoke other than Him do not possess [as much as] the membrane of a date seed.

7. Ya-Sin 38 (36:38)
wal-shamsu tajri limus'taqarrin laha dhalika taqdiru l-azizi l-alimi

And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

8. Ya-Sin 40 (36:40)
la l-shamsu yanbaghi laha an tud'rika l-qamara wala al-laylu sabiqu l-nahari wakullun falakin yasbahuna.

It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming.

9. Az Zumar 5 (39:5)
khalaqa l-samawati wal-arda bil-haqi yukawwiru al-layla ala l-nahari wayukawwiru l-nahara ala al-layli wasakhara l-shamsa wal-qamara kullun yajri li-ajalin musamman ala huwa l-azizu l-ghafaru

He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

10. Ar Rahman 5 (55:5)
al-shamsu wal-qamaru bihus'banin

The sun and the moon (move) by precise calculation,


About Star

1. As Saffat 37:6
inna zayyanna l-samaa l-dunya bizinatin l-kawakibi

Indeed, We have adorned the nearest heaven with an adornment of stars

2. Al Hijr 15:16
walaqad ja'alna fi l-samai burujan wazayyanaha lilnnazirina

And We have placed within the heaven great stars and have beautified it for the observers.

3. An Nahl 16:16
wa'alamatin wabil-namji hum yahtaduna

4. Al An'am 6:97
wahuwa alladhi ja'ala lakumu l-nujuma litahtadu biha fi zulumati l-bari wal-bari wal-bahri qad fasalna l-ayati liqawmin ya'lamuna

And it is He who placed for you the stars that you may be guided by them through the darknesses of the land and sea. We have detailed the signs for a people who know.

And landmarks. And by the stars they are [also] guided.

continue

Nothing I read in those quotes made any specific reference to a flat earth whatsoever.

and also what has a fairy tail book to do with the shape of the earth.
we also could take the Books of Terry Pratchett as prove for a disc world on 4 elephants on a turtle
 

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Re: The quran and flat earth
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2017, 10:16:13 PM »
I am a muslim and a roundie. This is plain bullshit. Unfortunately I cannot understand arabic, but I do know that a lot of information gets lost or changed when something is translated. Even if it really meant "spread out", that still doesn't say anything about the shape of the earth.

There is more verses in close meaning of it. When you consider the whole thing all together, it means that you have get it to be straight. But this is not forcing somebody to believe it. because there is no compulsion in divinity. To believe islam, or not. It is your choice. But please don't tell us you are a muslim. You're not.
Everyone sees it in clear weather. The important thing is to be able to see in foggy day.


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