Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #270 on: August 04, 2016, 02:10:05 PM »
I guess the lad who pushes the broom is pushing the broom because he isn't capable of much more. He doesn't believe in a flat earth, he just doesn't understand how a pendulum can detect earths rotation. He also does not understand that if a helicopter hovers, the earth does not pass by below and how water sticks to a ball. Bless him.  :-[ 

He keeps a good clean floor though.

My job is highly skilled, lots of problem solving, Electrical/electronic circuit design on a massive scale. Ever thought about the control gear that is required for power generation, the cooling, the distribution, the safety features? Not a job for the weak minded. 

We all started somewhere, lots of us progress but if at 40 you are still on the broom, then perhaps you just cant learn very much, very quickly.

His artwork is fantastic. He draws war scenes and they are realy very good.
you know, not everyone has the means to go to college. Some can't spend the money because they have a family and other reasons. I couldn't go to college until I got out of the service. We all do the best we can to survive in this world.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of circuit design are you doing?
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #271 on: August 04, 2016, 02:25:02 PM »
I design, install, maintain and provide technical documentation for the control gear associated with AC generators and their control systems, in working power stations.
This includes electronic prototyping and PCB design, SELV DC operator control circuits, mixed power/data control circuits, Low voltage AC circuits, Solar PV, and High Voltage grid distribution.

When everything is running smoothly electrically, you may find me changing a dirty greasy old bearing in a motor shaft.

This is my world.... well I delve beneath the covers.....

« Last Edit: August 04, 2016, 02:39:17 PM by getrealzommb »

Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #272 on: August 04, 2016, 06:18:54 PM »
Looking straight down at any spot on that line, does it curve as you follow it?

Yes, it curves.
Then there you have it.  Now try it at a latitude another 10-20 degrees further south.  It still curves, but not as much. 

This also means the structure and ground it's on at that latitude is turning as the globe rotates.  The back and forth path of the pendulums swing however, does not.

Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #273 on: August 04, 2016, 06:42:31 PM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #274 on: August 05, 2016, 08:19:36 AM »
I design, install, maintain and provide technical documentation for the control gear associated with AC generators and their control systems, in working power stations.
This includes electronic prototyping and PCB design, SELV DC operator control circuits, mixed power/data control circuits, Low voltage AC circuits, Solar PV, and High Voltage grid distribution.

When everything is running smoothly electrically, you may find me changing a dirty greasy old bearing in a motor shaft.

This is my world.... well I delve beneath the covers.....



Looks impressive..
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #275 on: August 05, 2016, 08:44:49 AM »
Didn't see if someone already suggested this:

No matter how smooth is ball bearing, it still has its friction,
and it will pull your static hammer with the rotation.
What would be much harder to pull by it, would be gyroscope.
Small electric motor could rotate flywheel around horizontal axis.
Hang it instead of hammer (together with batteries, or solar phone
charger) and your angle between 3:00 and 6:40 should be bigger.

Hang it from both sides of center of mass, otherwise it will
rotate by itself when weight tries to turn it downwards.

Earth rotates 15 degrees per hour.
Set the flywheel axis east-west and see the deviation from
curve of your local latitude line as the Earth spins,
or set it north-south and see the deviation from local meridian.
« Last Edit: August 05, 2016, 09:19:21 AM by SpJunk »
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #276 on: August 05, 2016, 09:33:59 AM »
Didn't see if someone already suggested this:

No matter how smooth is ball bearing, it still has its friction,
and it will pull your static hammer with the rotation.
What would be much harder to pull by it, would be gyroscope.
Small electric motor could rotate flywheel around horizontal axis.
Hang it instead of hammer (together with batteries, or solar phone
charger) and your angle between 3:00 and 6:40 should be bigger.

Hang it from both sides of center of mass, otherwise it will
rotate by itself when weight tries to turn it downwards.

Earth rotates 15 degrees per hour.
Set the flywheel axis east-west and see the deviation from
curve of your local latitude line as the Earth spins,
or set it north-south and see the deviation from local meridian.

Let me ask you, Do you think the thought I present is feasible if in fact the earth is spinning?
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #277 on: August 05, 2016, 09:55:25 AM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #278 on: August 05, 2016, 10:01:43 AM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

I just think you don't understand my point of view on the matter. There is no math involved.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #279 on: August 05, 2016, 10:07:25 AM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

I just think you don't understand my point of view on the matter. There is no math involved.

I do understand your point of view. But ITS WRONG, and no matter how many times people explain to you the reasons why, the more you drag the thread on with utter shit and silliness.

10 pages of disagreement with you and your method of testing/measuring rotation, and you think everyone else is wrong.

LOL to that troll.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #280 on: August 05, 2016, 10:11:23 AM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

I just think you don't understand my point of view on the matter. There is no math involved.

I do understand your point of view. But ITS WRONG, and no matter how many times people explain to you the reasons why, the more you drag the thread on with utter shit and silliness.

10 pages of disagreement with you and your method of testing/measuring rotation, and you think everyone else is wrong.

LOL to that troll.

Others like you are still coming here...why for? You obviously enjoy my company. Do you have a thing for me?
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #281 on: August 05, 2016, 03:25:53 PM »
No. We just want to make sure internet wanderers don't end up with the wrong idea.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #282 on: August 05, 2016, 07:14:58 PM »
Others like you are still coming here...why for? You obviously enjoy my company. Do you have a thing for me?

You misunderstand,  they are coming here for a few chuckles.   Here's a hint, they are not laughing WITH you..

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #283 on: August 05, 2016, 08:13:59 PM »

Let me ask you, Do you think the thought I present is feasible if in fact the earth is spinning?

Foucault used pendulum instead of free hanging weight because
we need something that will keep absolute orientation against
moving earth's coordinate system.

As I said, simple weight hanging will not work. There is no force that will
counter even the minimal friction in any kind of ball bearing.
If you increase mass, then the weight is increased, and the friction
in suspension is increased too, which pulls hanged weight stronger.

And you tried to exclude pendulum.
That's why I mentioned "gyroscope".
Hand made, because marine gyroscopes are too expensive, and small
gyroscopes I saw on the internet don't have motor.

But motors vibrate and can ruin the experiment.

So, go to nearest institute or museum that has Foucault pendulum and watch.
Or watch Eric Dubai's video where he says it doesn't happen the way you see it.
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #284 on: August 06, 2016, 09:10:35 AM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

I just think you don't understand my point of view on the matter. There is no math involved.
So now that you understand the ground does slowly turn at latitudes between the poles and equator, you should understand how the pendulum works.  Glad to have helped clear up the matter.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #285 on: August 06, 2016, 12:11:55 PM »
..... the rest of us who understand have at least a college education ....
College education?!  Heck, you don't need that to understand this stuff.

Nope. I would have guessed not, I am struggling to see what is so difficult to understand. The theory of a foucault pendulum is a pretty solid one, even if the associated math can be quite complex.

I guess i'm just feeding a troll.

I just think you don't understand my point of view on the matter. There is no math involved.
So now that you understand the ground does slowly turn at latitudes between the poles and equator, you should understand how the pendulum works.  Glad to have helped clear up the matter.

I've understood how they say Foucault's pendulum works for a while now. I admit I didn't know at first, but I do now.

I live on the latitude of 75o, If I decided to take a walk around the world along that latitude, I would walk in a straight path and arrive back at the same location from where I started from. I would never have to walk in a curve path what so ever. If I had walked in a curved path, I would probably end up at the north pole. I'm surprised you don't realize that.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #286 on: August 06, 2016, 12:22:29 PM »
No, you would actually curve slightly at 75degrees.

Think of it this way, if you are a foot away from the pole, and walk along the lattitude, you would walk in a near circle. Farther away, you would walk in less of a circle, and on the equator, it truly would be a straight line.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #287 on: August 06, 2016, 12:38:57 PM »
Didn't see if someone already suggested this:

No matter how smooth is ball bearing, it still has its friction,
and it will pull your static hammer with the rotation.
What would be much harder to pull by it, would be gyroscope.
Small electric motor could rotate flywheel around horizontal axis.
Hang it instead of hammer (together with batteries, or solar phone
charger) and your angle between 3:00 and 6:40 should be bigger.

Hang it from both sides of center of mass, otherwise it will
rotate by itself when weight tries to turn it downwards.

Earth rotates 15 degrees per hour.
Set the flywheel axis east-west and see the deviation from
curve of your local latitude line as the Earth spins,
or set it north-south and see the deviation from local meridian.

Let me ask you, Do you think the thought I present is feasible if in fact the earth is spinning?

I will answer this question. Yes, it would actually work IF you could hang it with a literal 0 resistance bearing. Or if it could magically float it in the air of a room that is enclosed from zero air disturbances.

Neither is possible unfortunately
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #288 on: August 06, 2016, 12:56:36 PM »
No, you would actually curve slightly at 75degrees.

Think of it this way, if you are a foot away from the pole, and walk along the lattitude, you would walk in a near circle. Farther away, you would walk in less of a circle, and on the equator, it truly would be a straight line.

At the top of the earth it would be different because you are at the top which is nearly flat. At 75o I would be walking straight parallel with the equator.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #289 on: August 06, 2016, 01:04:34 PM »
No, at 75degrees, you are still more aligned with the "top" than the equator. You would curve alot.

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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #290 on: August 06, 2016, 01:05:50 PM »
Didn't see if someone already suggested this:

No matter how smooth is ball bearing, it still has its friction,
and it will pull your static hammer with the rotation.
What would be much harder to pull by it, would be gyroscope.
Small electric motor could rotate flywheel around horizontal axis.
Hang it instead of hammer (together with batteries, or solar phone
charger) and your angle between 3:00 and 6:40 should be bigger.

Hang it from both sides of center of mass, otherwise it will
rotate by itself when weight tries to turn it downwards.

Earth rotates 15 degrees per hour.
Set the flywheel axis east-west and see the deviation from
curve of your local latitude line as the Earth spins,
or set it north-south and see the deviation from local meridian.

Let me ask you, Do you think the thought I present is feasible if in fact the earth is spinning?

I will answer this question. Yes, it would actually work IF you could hang it with a literal 0 resistance bearing. Or if it could magically float it in the air of a room that is enclosed from zero air disturbances.

Neither is possible unfortunately

Let me make sure I understand what you are saying.

You believe a hanging object would work to detect earth's rotation is I found friction-less bearings and I could keep air from it.

How about this put in a closed box. It is held suspended with magnetism and I could put it in a closed box. Do you think this would work as well? The earth does not rotate on this model, some model it does. It will only rotate if you physically do it.


 
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #291 on: August 06, 2016, 01:06:52 PM »
The ball would rotate at the same rate as the air around it.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #292 on: August 06, 2016, 01:09:56 PM »
Creative idea yendor....

Though magnetism is in its own form "friction". The ball is not separated from the base because of this. You would have much less friction with a low friction bearing.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #293 on: August 06, 2016, 01:13:17 PM »
No, at 75degrees, you are still more aligned with the "top" than the equator. You would curve alot.

You think, wouldn't I still be walking parallel with the equator?
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #294 on: August 06, 2016, 01:14:07 PM »
The ball would rotate at the same rate as the air around it.

I can keep air from it.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #295 on: August 06, 2016, 01:17:44 PM »
The ball would rotate at the same rate as the air around it.

I can keep air from it.
If you put it in a vacuum, then it would stay rotating at whatever speed it had. You could set it spinning any direction and it would just keep on going that way forever. That wouldn't help. If you kept it still (relative to the rotating earth) it would keep the same speed as the earth.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #296 on: August 06, 2016, 01:21:36 PM »
Creative idea yendor....

Though magnetism is in its own form "friction". The ball is not separated from the base because of this. You would have much less friction with a low friction bearing.

I would think that it would work because I can turn the base and the globe doesn't. That would mean to me that if the base is setting in a room which is anchored to the ground, the earth rotating would cause the room to rotate along with the base and the globe would not rotate. That should give me an indication of the earth rotating, would it not?
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #297 on: August 06, 2016, 01:22:16 PM »
Creative idea yendor....

Though magnetism is in its own form "friction". The ball is not separated from the base because of this. You would have much less friction with a low friction bearing.

I would think that it would work because I can turn the base and the globe doesn't. That would mean to me that if the base is setting in a room which is anchored to the ground, the earth rotating would cause the room to rotate along with the base and the globe would not rotate. That should give me an indication of the earth rotating, would it not?
No. Because it is the air around the globe that will rotate it.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #298 on: August 06, 2016, 01:25:58 PM »
The ball would rotate at the same rate as the air around it.

I can keep air from it.
If you put it in a vacuum, then it would stay rotating at whatever speed it had. You could set it spinning any direction and it would just keep on going that way forever. That wouldn't help. If you kept it still (relative to the rotating earth) it would keep the same speed as the earth.

a vacuum is a space void of matter. With that thing in it, it wouldn't be a vacuum. I could try to pump out some air, but I couldn't create a vacuum.
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Re: Swinging weight or Hanging weight - proves the earth rotates
« Reply #299 on: August 06, 2016, 01:28:02 PM »
How else are you going to "keep air from it"
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