Prove to me that the earth is flat.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2016, 10:59:12 PM »
It has been claimed by at least one poster on this thread that Islam strictly supports the flat earth, but I beg to differ!

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Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Introduction
The fact that the earth is not flat has been known for thousands of years. The Ancient Greeks Pythagoras (570 - 495 BC), Aristotle (384 - 322 BC) and Hipparchus (190 - 120 BC) all knew this. The Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata (476 - 550 AD) knew this. And so did the early Christian scholars Anicius Boėthius (480 - 524 AD), Bishop Isidore of Seville (560 - 636 AD), Bishop Rabanus Maurus (780 - 856 AD), the monk Bede (672 - 735 AD), Bishop Vergilius of Salzburg (700 - 784 AD) and Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274 AD). In fact, contrary to what we are often told, the sphericity of the earth was common knowledge among early medieval Europeans and the Holy Roman Empire from as early as 395 AD used an orb to represent the spherical Earth.
From WikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'anWikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Anyone seriously interested should read more of the reference, as I have only quoted the introduction. Being able to read Arabic would certainly help.
Note that this is not from a Western source, but is an Islamic publication.

Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata, mentioned above certainly believed the earth was a globe. Not only that, but "believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth".   

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Aryabhata the Elder
We have looked at the mathematics contained in the Aryabhata, but this is an astronomy text so we should say a little regarding the astronomy which it contains. Aryabhata gives a systematic treatment of the position of the planets in space. He gave the circumference of the earth as 4,967 yojanas and its diameter as 1,581 1/24 yojanas. Since 1 yojana = 5 miles this gives the circumference as 24,835 miles, which is an excellent approximation to the currently accepted value of 24,902 miles. He believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth. This is a quite remarkable view of the nature of the solar system which later commentators could not bring themselves to follow and most changed the text to save Aryabhata from what they thought were stupid errors!
From Biographies Aryabhata I.
Aryabhata's rotating earth predates the model of Copernicus by some 1,000 years and even estimated the planetry orbits and suggested that they were elliptical.

And it is worth looking up Al-Biruni (973 –1048 AD), another Muslim Astronomer/Mathematician/Surveyor who also measured the Earth's diameter quite accurately and is regarded as "the father of Geodesy".

Note that while some Islamic scholars, such as Aryabhata and possibly Al-biruni, have suggested a rotating earth, the general Islamic belief definitely seems to be that the earth is stationary.

So, the belief in a Globe, even a rotating one, is no new conspiracy foisted on by the "authorities", but a long standing one.

This puts the onus squarely on the proponents of the flat earth to prove their case with sound evidence.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2016, 11:21:10 PM »
ITT: The Pythagorean number cult thought the earth was round 500 before the common era. Many later people also were in error. Therefore, Muhammed thought the earth was round.


I'm convinced.
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2016, 11:30:58 PM »
What is the Pythagorean number cult?
I wonder how obnoxious I can make my signature?
Please give me ideas.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2016, 11:51:44 PM »
What is Google?
"Never think you can turn over any old falsehood without a terrible squirming of the horrid little population that dwells under it." -O.W. Holmes "Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne.."

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2016, 12:12:33 AM »
Answer this: Were they both on opposite ends of the horizon?
I've asked similar question multiple times, never receiving an answer.

I also asked FEers to provide a photo of both bodies in the case where they are not just an inch above the horizon, but one is so high that globe model can't explain that. No such photo has ever been provided.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2016, 01:09:33 AM »
ITT: The Pythagorean number cult thought the earth was round 500 before the common era. Many later people also were in error. Therefore, Muhammed thought the earth was round.
I'm convinced.
So when did these enlightened learn the "truth"? Seems like they weren't part of "the Church", which from all I have seen accepted the Globe (though I don't think it was an "an article of faith" and there were dissenters). Mind you it certainly insisted that the earth was the centre of the universe, and that was "an article of faith".   

Mind you it's just a pity this "truth" can't explain so many observations we can make with our own eyes.
Then there are the almost innumerable ones that are revealed with suitable instruments, some with equipment as simple as telescopes, through surveying instruments (simply measuring the earth) to sophisticated scientific equipment.

Sure believe in your flat earth, but it would help your case if you could explain these simple observations,
and yes I have read quite a bit of ENAG, it doesn't help one little bit.
  • On a clear day looking out to sea the sky-horizon interface is a sharp line (it is only about 5 km away!). On a flat earth it would have to fade into the distance with no distinct boundary.
  • The sun appears to rise from behind the horizon and appears to set behind the horizon.
  • The sun stays the same size as it arcs up and over the sky - plenty of evidence.
  • Likewise the moon appears to rise from behind the horizon and appears to set behind the horizon.
  • The moon stays the same size as it arcs up and over the sky - plenty of evidence.
There's plenty more, but that will do for now.

;D But, when you have to claim that any inconvenient evidence must be faked, or CGI if it's an image or video, it does get a bit "rich"  ;D

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2016, 03:34:23 AM »
Plus observations from multiple locations at the same and different times prove a round earth.

When you see the sun setting in the west call someone 1000 miles west from you and ask them what they see...

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2016, 04:09:39 AM »
I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

ok.. why does the sun not disappear to a point? why does it seem to go down instead of away?

because the usual FE answer is 'refraction'
..so if refraction doesn't cause the sun and moon to be seen on opposite sides of the horizon during a lunar eclipse, then you need to go back and answer the sunrise/sunset question

you've still not said what you believe causes a lunar eclipse either, I did ask

Funny how your eyes deceive you in order to make the "flat earth" seem "round".

what's not funny is when people ignore evidence

the phenomenon is definitely our shadow, none of the flat earth explanations stand up to testing, leaving only the globe explanation available, this is why John Davis himself had to invent a non spherical, non flat, spherical, flat earth, because there's just no other explanation

so, to make it clear for you, I'll ask a rhetorical question:
why is the shadow during a lunar eclipse ALWAYS circular?

If we're a flat disc then the lunar eclipse would only be circular on a rare occasion, it's not, therefore proving our shape

its not technical, its visually simple, testable, I'm not sure how you don't understand

I'll ask you the same as the other guy.. what do YOU think causes a lunar eclipse?


i think you missed my post, I'm still waiting for a reply :)

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2016, 04:11:04 AM »
What is Google?
It's a popular search engine.  What is Pythagorean number cult?
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2016, 06:10:07 AM »
ITT: The Pythagorean number cult thought the earth was round 500 before the common era. Many later people also were in error. Therefore, Muhammed thought the earth was round.
And what had the "Pythagorean number cult" to do with the shape of the earth>
You might also have claimed that Plato thought that the earth was a Globe because he thought that was the perfect shape! (Or so some have claimed).

Similar to the logic of Copernicus in giving the planets circular orbits.

But, these people simply did not have the data available to do much better. I am amazed at what accuracy was achieved by these early astronomers, and the detail of their records.

It was probably not till Tycho Brahe's (a Geocentrist) exceptional work that there was accurate enough data on planetary orbits to be sure which model fitted the observations.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2016, 06:17:59 AM »
It has been claimed by at least one poster on this thread that Islam strictly supports the flat earth, but I beg to differ!

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Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Introduction
The fact that the earth is not flat has been known for thousands of years. The Ancient Greeks Pythagoras (570 - 495 BC), Aristotle (384 - 322 BC) and Hipparchus (190 - 120 BC) all knew this. The Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata (476 - 550 AD) knew this. And so did the early Christian scholars Anicius Boėthius (480 - 524 AD), Bishop Isidore of Seville (560 - 636 AD), Bishop Rabanus Maurus (780 - 856 AD), the monk Bede (672 - 735 AD), Bishop Vergilius of Salzburg (700 - 784 AD) and Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274 AD). In fact, contrary to what we are often told, the sphericity of the earth was common knowledge among early medieval Europeans and the Holy Roman Empire from as early as 395 AD used an orb to represent the spherical Earth.
From WikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'anWikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Anyone seriously interested should read more of the reference, as I have only quoted the introduction. Being able to read Arabic would certainly help.
Note that this is not from a Western source, but is an Islamic publication.

Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata, mentioned above certainly believed the earth was a globe. Not only that, but "believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth".   

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Aryabhata the Elder
We have looked at the mathematics contained in the Aryabhata, but this is an astronomy text so we should say a little regarding the astronomy which it contains. Aryabhata gives a systematic treatment of the position of the planets in space. He gave the circumference of the earth as 4,967 yojanas and its diameter as 1,581 1/24 yojanas. Since 1 yojana = 5 miles this gives the circumference as 24,835 miles, which is an excellent approximation to the currently accepted value of 24,902 miles. He believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth. This is a quite remarkable view of the nature of the solar system which later commentators could not bring themselves to follow and most changed the text to save Aryabhata from what they thought were stupid errors!
From Biographies Aryabhata I.
Aryabhata's rotating earth predates the model of Copernicus by some 1,000 years and even estimated the planetry orbits and suggested that they were elliptical.

And it is worth looking up Al-Biruni (973 –1048 AD), another Muslim Astronomer/Mathematician/Surveyor who also measured the Earth's diameter quite accurately and is regarded as "the father of Geodesy".

Note that while some Islamic scholars, such as Aryabhata and possibly Al-biruni, have suggested a rotating earth, the general Islamic belief definitely seems to be that the earth is stationary.

So, the belief in a Globe, even a rotating one, is no new conspiracy foisted on by the "authorities", but a long standing one.

This puts the onus squarely on the proponents of the flat earth to prove their case with sound evidence.

Aryabhata was not an Islamic scholar.

Muslim scholars knew that earth is round. But Muhammad didn't, so in the Quran earth is still flat.
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2016, 01:18:18 PM »
Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

I've seen the falsehood of this with my own eyes.  There is no way the earth's shadow could account for the lunar eclipse.
What falsehood are you talking about? If you are in the right spot on earth, you can actually see the sun dissapearing over the horizon just as the moon is being partially eclipsed on the other horizon.

Then someone please explain the "impossible eclipse" aka Senelion Eclipses that take place when BOTH the SUN and the MOON are visible ABOVE THE HORIZON.

How far above the horizon?

Is there ever an eclipse like this where the sun and moon are in any positions other than 180 degrees in opposite directions and very close to the horizon?

If the shadow of the Earth has nothing to do with it, why is there never a lunar eclipse when both the sun and moon are well above the horizon or not otherwise completely opposite each other in the sky?

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2016, 02:48:32 PM »
The selenelion eclipse is explain here http://abc7news.com/science/tonights-lunar-eclipse-is-so-unique-its-impossible/340212/  is no way a confirms of a flat Earth.
The the universe has no obligation to makes sense to you.
The earth is a globe.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2016, 08:59:24 PM »
It has been claimed by at least one poster on this thread that Islam strictly supports the flat earth, but I beg to differ!

Quote
Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Introduction
The fact that the earth is not flat has been known for thousands of years. The Ancient Greeks Pythagoras (570 - 495 BC), Aristotle (384 - 322 BC) and Hipparchus (190 - 120 BC) all knew this. The Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata (476 - 550 AD) knew this. And so did the early Christian scholars Anicius Boėthius (480 - 524 AD), Bishop Isidore of Seville (560 - 636 AD), Bishop Rabanus Maurus (780 - 856 AD), the monk Bede (672 - 735 AD), Bishop Vergilius of Salzburg (700 - 784 AD) and Thomas Aquinas (1225 - 1274 AD). In fact, contrary to what we are often told, the sphericity of the earth was common knowledge among early medieval Europeans and the Holy Roman Empire from as early as 395 AD used an orb to represent the spherical Earth.
From WikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'anWikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'an
Anyone seriously interested should read more of the reference, as I have only quoted the introduction. Being able to read Arabic would certainly help.
Note that this is not from a Western source, but is an Islamic publication.

Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhata, mentioned above certainly believed the earth was a globe. Not only that, but "believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth".   

Quote
Aryabhata the Elder
We have looked at the mathematics contained in the Aryabhata, but this is an astronomy text so we should say a little regarding the astronomy which it contains. Aryabhata gives a systematic treatment of the position of the planets in space. He gave the circumference of the earth as 4,967 yojanas and its diameter as 1,581 1/24 yojanas. Since 1 yojana = 5 miles this gives the circumference as 24,835 miles, which is an excellent approximation to the currently accepted value of 24,902 miles. He believed that the apparent rotation of the heavens was due to the axial rotation of the Earth. This is a quite remarkable view of the nature of the solar system which later commentators could not bring themselves to follow and most changed the text to save Aryabhata from what they thought were stupid errors!
From Biographies Aryabhata I.
Aryabhata's rotating earth predates the model of Copernicus by some 1,000 years and even estimated the planetry orbits and suggested that they were elliptical.

And it is worth looking up Al-Biruni (973 –1048 AD), another Muslim Astronomer/Mathematician/Surveyor who also measured the Earth's diameter quite accurately and is regarded as "the father of Geodesy".

Note that while some Islamic scholars, such as Aryabhata and possibly Al-biruni, have suggested a rotating earth, the general Islamic belief definitely seems to be that the earth is stationary.

So, the belief in a Globe, even a rotating one, is no new conspiracy foisted on by the "authorities", but a long standing one.

This puts the onus squarely on the proponents of the flat earth to prove their case with sound evidence.

Aryabhata was not an Islamic scholar.

Muslim scholars knew that earth is round. But Muhammad didn't, so in the Quran earth is still flat.

Yes, I guess you are right, I assumed too much with his work forming the basis of much later Islamic calculations:
Quote from: Wikipedis
Calendric calculations devised by Aryabhata and his followers have been in continuous use in India for the practical purposes of fixing the Panchangam (the Hindu calendar). In the Islamic world, they formed the basis of the Jalali calendar introduced in 1073 CE by a group of astronomers including Omar Khayyam,[40] versions of which (modified in 1925) are the national calendars in use in Iran and Afghanistan today.

Though many Muslims would disagree about the "Qur'an".  That quote above is from "Flat Earth and the Qur'an", on the Islamic Website WikiIslam, Flat Earth and the Qur'an.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2016, 08:24:45 AM »
It is so easy to debunk flat earth. This is how:

Method 1. Tell person A to stand before a big lake and tell person B to stand across the lake. Person B's legs would not be seen because it is not part of the horizon.

Method 2. Observe a lunar eclipse and the shadow of the earth clearly indicates that its round

Method 3. Show a FEarther a photo of the earth from space and bring him a globe. We have tons of evidence supporting that the earth is round while minimal evidence to support its flatness.

Method 4. Observe the stars in Australia then observe the stars in Norway. It would be different because Australia is located south and Norway in the north.

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2016, 01:24:18 AM »
Allah said us the earth as such as carpet.


All carpets 50% off this weekend only.

(installation and padding not included.
Flying carpets not available at this discount.)

To depend on a carpet is stronger than a lie " والارض بعد ذلك دحاها" is a verse. I told i want to see the original verse about this nonsence but everybody see that he can't do that. Because there is no verse like "والارض بعد ذلك دحاها". Because there isin't. Arabic writing don't show something is a verse. :)  This nonsence shows how the globers are some liars. The theory of carpet compatible with biblical theory  .

"To believing to books" is most one of the rules of main faith of islam. Take care, not "believing to quran" is a rule of faith, "believing to books" is rule. This rule requires to believe all of these books "quran, bible, torah and Psalter". But he appealing to me by "i'm talking depends on Bible". So when he blames me acting outside the Islamic line and depend on bible, he unaware that he going out of islam because of  denied most one of the main rules of islam that "believing to books"(including bible)  :D. There are  ignorants over all sides  .
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #46 on: July 26, 2016, 12:47:34 AM »
There are  ignorants over all sides  .

says the dude who ignores people who ask him basic questions..

even has a list in his signature of people he's ignoring

what a tool

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2016, 01:12:26 AM »
I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

That's quite easy to replicate actually.
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2016, 03:45:25 AM »
I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.
That's quite easy to replicate actually.
Funny that only Flat Earthers seem to see a problem with Selenelion Eclipses.

This reference gives a video of one Total Lunar Eclipse On Wednesday Will Be a Rare 'Selenelion'.
On my tablet the first video does not play, though the second one does.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2016, 08:27:44 AM »
Water lies flat in all instances.

Horizon is always at eye level.

When pressure meets vacuum, pressure equalizes instantly (we live in a closed system).

Earth is a plane, not a planet, surrounded by a massive wall of ice.

I can see an airport 11 miles away clearly at night. If the earth were a ball that would be impossible due to the curvature of the supposed ball.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2016, 08:30:59 AM »
you found a cgi image, that's all.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2016, 08:34:22 AM »
Water lies flat in all instances. Prove otherwise.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2016, 08:46:31 AM »
Check your compass when you cross the equator. It will continue to point north no matter how far south you go.

Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #53 on: July 31, 2016, 10:54:55 AM »
Water lies flat in all instances.

Horizon is always at eye level.

When pressure meets vacuum, pressure equalizes instantly (we live in a closed system).

Earth is a plane, not a planet, surrounded by a massive wall of ice.

I can see an airport 11 miles away clearly at night. If the earth were a ball that would be impossible due to the curvature of the supposed ball.
The horizon is below eye level.  Measured distances prove a globe.

How high are you?  Can you see the ground of the airport?

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2016, 11:22:44 AM »
I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

That's quite easy to replicate actually.

I look forward to this...
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2016, 12:22:56 PM »

Have any of you ever wondered HOW the first ancient observer discovered how to predict a solar eclipse?  I'm talking ancient times.  You could argue that he witnessed one and then decided to track the next one... but HOW?

Well... you need knowledge of TWO hidden objects.  Now don't freak out - these objects are actually applicable to BOTH the RE and FE models.  On the RE model they are known as 'nodes'.  On the FE model they are known as Rahu and Ketu.  They are also known as 'head of the dragon' and 'tail of the dragon'.  A dragon is a play on the shape of a snake.  Later on the dragons/snakes were represented by double-headed eagles, which I'm sure the more intelligent members will recognize as markers of the current ruling elite.

Back to the eclipse:  You NEED to know about and BE ABLE TO TRACK two(2) hidden objects in the sky in order to predict and locate solar eclipses (and lunar).  It is NOT enough to say 'well the moon and sun and earth will be in aligment on such and such date'... HOW would you know when they would align?  On the RE model the nodes are required to predict the eclipses.  On the FE model the 2 shadow objects are required to predict the eclipses.

So which one is 'true'? 

The 'nodes'?  Or the 2 shadow objects?

Well let's start with the LUNAR ECLIPSE on a flat-Earth model:

Right off the bat, the moon turns TRANSLUCENT RED.

When is the last time you made a red-shadow on anything?  Perhaps you didn't have enough 'umbria' around you or whatever hocus-pocus you need to rationale a RED TRANSLUCENT TINTING.  No matter how many times you wish to see 'the earths shadow' during a lunar eclipse, you will OBSERVE a RED TINTING.

Again, draw from your life's observation of shadows and your common sense.  There are shadows, and then there is red tinting:




Now that you are thinking clearly, ^ is that a 'shadow'? or a FIREY RED TINT?  Don't repeat what you've been told ad infinitum.  SAY what you OBSERVE.

A RE lunar eclipse does NOT show a 'shadow of the earth'.  PLEASE spare me the 'umbria' talk unless make something that is bright white, orangey red by means of SHADOWS.  ...good...  What you are seeing during a lunar eclipse is known as the 'tail of the dragon/snake',  Ketu, or the asending lunar node (on the RE model).  There are multiple names for the object, but the point is that it IS an OBJECT. -- not a shadow.  Thus Lunar eclipse are not only perfectly applicable to a flat earth model but indeed make perfect sense (more on this in a bit..)


But what about the Solar Eclipse.

On the RE model it's the decending node that makes that happen and therefore allows for it to be predicted.  On the FE model Ketu or the head of the dragon is the OBJECT that blocks the sun.

Ever see a total solar eclipse?  With your OWN EYES?
Tell me something (be honest):

Did you see the moon block the sun?

OR did you see a black OBJECT block the sun.  You've all seen the moon during a pitch black night.  Even though the new moon is 'dark' you can clearly see that it's 'the new moon' (at NIGHT)

SO - during a total solar eclipse, when 'day turns to NIGHT' why don't you see this:




^  YES that image is FAKE!
^ NO there are ZERO REAL photos of solar-eclipse observers showing anything like this!
^ YES!  I'm not making this up, BUT: THIS IMAGE IS FROM NASA!!!  link: http://stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov/img/total_lg.gif


Instead during a total solar eclipse (or partial) you see a BLACK OBJECT (not the moon) move in front of the sun the following are real images:








Forget what you've been TOLD ad infinitum -- Do you OBSERVE a NEW MOON in a "NIGHT" SKY blocking the sun in the images above?

Exactly.


Rahu is his name.......  the second OBJECT aobve the flat earth that accounts for the eclipses...


Ask youself why NASA felt the need to FAKE images of the total solar eclipse with FAKE images like this:




That's not what I saw.  That's not what anybody saw.  That's not what anyone will ever see.  Because the new moon is not responsible for the eclipses... period.


On a Flat earth model there are 2 objects which exist that explain the eclipse.. they have multiple names throughout history...


So WHY tell the masses that the Earth is round?  That's a whole 'nuther post... but I will say this:  Those on here that who are Illuinated know that the solar eclpse was used to TRICK the masses into giving up their power to certain 'holy men' in return for these 'holy men' 'ridding the sky of the sun-eating snake god'.  This is well known as the basis of the elites POWER (the eclipse trick as I call it).

So why make the world round?  Simple:  On a flat map predicting eclipses is EASY.  More importantly predicting their LOCATION on a flat map is VERY SIMPLE.  ONE triple-sarros cycle (3 sarros cycles) and the solar eclipse returns to the exact location as the first, and then REPEATS the same exact patterns until 3 cycles are repeated again.  On a ROUND earth model the eclipse path looks like a bunch of chaotic wavy, cruvy paths around the 'globe'.  by contrast on the flat earth model the solar eclipse locations form part of a concentric spiral over a flat earth.  Simply move north, south, east, or west to 'follow' the eclipse location.  No need to follow a bunch of wavy/curvy globular eclipse paths:




^ Those of you on this forum that are Iluminated already know what this pretoglyphy (ancient rock carving) depicts, for those that don't.. allow me to explain:

The round object with consentric rings is the flat earth.. the rings represent the spiral path of the sun and moon over the flat earth.  The 'holy man' wearing goat horns (to look like a 'devil') is BLOCKING OUT THE SUN... the hand print above him shows that he is 'blocking out' or 'covering' the sun... it is depecting how the eclipse was used to trick the masses into subjigation... the first 'false flag' as conspiracy types call it...

The trick and it's allegory is detailed here:





Bee well...

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2016, 03:05:11 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth. 
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2016, 03:19:28 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth.



Nope.  Wrong and illogical answer, here's why:


I dont' remember a Lunar eclipse being called "A SUNSET PROJECTED ON THE MOON".  Everyone knows that the implication of a TOTAL lunar eclipse is a SHADOW on the moon (presumably from the round earth).

A shadow is a shadow.
A SUNSET is a sunset.

Stay with me:

A lunar ECLIPSE - if it is the earth's SHADOW needs to show me a shadow.  I does not.  It shows me a red-tint DURING "TOTALITY".  Every--single--time.  The RED TINT happens at TOTALITY, ie supposedly completley covered by a SHADOW.  Yet, I see a BLOOD RED MOON.

We cannot change lunar eclipses into 'sunsets being projected on the moon'.  Period.

Shadow is shadow
Sunset is sunset.

Can you have a shadow AND a sunset at the same time?  Paradox!


PLEASE go out and try to replicate this simeultanous 'sunset/shadow' thingy for me?  You will have difficulty.  The shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse.

Shadows are not red.
Shadows are not sunsets.
I have NEVER seen a 'red shadow'.
When I see something that is one colour being tinted red I do not think "Oh gosh, it must be a shadow".

Remember, go by what you OBSERVE, not by your programming that states shadows are 'red' and mixed in with some 'shadow sunset' for good measure:


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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2016, 03:59:38 PM »
It is a shame you are so afraid of the truth.
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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2016, 04:05:25 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth.



Nope.  Wrong and illogical answer, here's why:


I dont' remember a Lunar eclipse being called "A SUNSET PROJECTED ON THE MOON".  Everyone knows that the implication of a TOTAL lunar eclipse is a SHADOW on the moon (presumably from the round earth).

A shadow is a shadow.
A SUNSET is a sunset.

Stay with me:

A lunar ECLIPSE - if it is the earth's SHADOW needs to show me a shadow.  I does not.  It shows me a red-tint DURING "TOTALITY".  Every--single--time.  The RED TINT happens at TOTALITY, ie supposedly completley covered by a SHADOW.  Yet, I see a BLOOD RED MOON.

We cannot change lunar eclipses into 'sunsets being projected on the moon'.  Period.

Shadow is shadow
Sunset is sunset.

Can you have a shadow AND a sunset at the same time?  Paradox!


PLEASE go out and try to replicate this simeultanous 'sunset/shadow' thingy for me?  You will have difficulty.  The shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse.

Shadows are not red.
Shadows are not sunsets.
I have NEVER seen a 'red shadow'.
When I see something that is one colour being tinted red I do not think "Oh gosh, it must be a shadow".

Remember, go by what you OBSERVE, not by your programming that states shadows are 'red' and mixed in with some 'shadow sunset' for good measure:



The moon gets dark because of the shadow.  It turns red because of sunlight coming through the atmosphere.  A lunar eclipse is far darker than your picture would suggest. 
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