Prove to me that the earth is flat.

How do you prove this? I have 3 Arguments

1.  The photos taken from space clearly indicates that the earth is round. Anyone could explain why this could be fake?

2. Anything over a certain distance (above 500 km in length and a high density) will collapse into a ball. That is why you couldn't find flat things more than 500 km in space. Why is the earth different from this?

3. Explain to me what happens if we go to the "edge".

Note I am in favor of RE, just saying what I believe (?) the answers from FE'rs would be.

1. These photos are faked for... financial reasons or something? I'm not actually sure myself, wait for a FE'r.

2. There is no gravity. The world accelerates constantly upwards, creating a sense of gravity. I am not sure why this is different to the other planets, ask a FE'r.

3. On the infinite plane, there is no edge. However, in the disk shaped version, it is not known for sure.

How do you prove this? I have 3 Arguments

1.  The photos taken from space clearly indicates that the earth is round. Anyone could explain why this could be fake?

2. Anything over a certain distance (above 500 km in length and a high density) will collapse into a ball. That is why you couldn't find flat things more than 500 km in space. Why is the earth different from this?

3. Explain to me what happens if we go to the "edge".

1- There is two different explanation about it. a)The seems of photos like a ground caused by fish eye camera. You feel it in close-up images.
b) The world is a circle so actually you see a circle but your brain want to perceive to convert it an 3d object so you feel it a ground. It just a "selective perception".

2- Because this is a firmament depends on human living on the earth. Different from all others. If there is really a space, why no live in the space except earth. This prooves the earth is different from everywhere except itself.

3. There is no real edge. Ice walls on the Antarctica encircles all surroundings. So you can't go the edge. Russian and American ships continuously trying it but they have not been enough to progress .

Some of ice walls on Antarctica.



To understand you can't fall of the edge, think about this photo long time. Is Antarctica a continent or seems like a different level ice-water-ground obstacle.



These ships trying to move to inside of Antarctica.





After a while, it is impossible to continue.

We don't see with own eyes what is on the edge but probably the edge that we know it as Antarctica merging with ice-water on the firmament. This is a whole system and seems like a "reverse sphere". The earth is a circle and flat and the sky is hemisphere.

This picture proves nothing but showing the shape as true. The edge of the earth marging to ocean over the sky.



I'm not supporting the underworld. I don't research it .

If you can go continuesly south, you go to sky, turn the sky and turn to earth by the other side of Antarctica.

Your photos are the icebreakers. They are not attempting to break the "ice wall", rather trying to just simply break the ice to let it pass.
now lets go more scientific.

1. Physics tells us that the earth, with its massive size, would collapse into a ball (Literally itself) because of its sheer weight because anything that has mass has gravity. You could see this by opening a tap and putting your finger close to the water, but no touching it. the water will instantly go nearer to you finger.  So, if physics apply to these things, why can't we apply it in a bigger scale? Physics is a universal, and it does not exclude anything. no matter how small, no matter how big.

2. Planes could just fly over that small ice wall. Why even bother have that shield?

3. And where did we get this firmament idea? it has not been observed yet and it has no proof of existing. If you have, then share it with us.

Your picture is based on the bible. And now, i'm going to use a Muslim reference to prove that earth is round.

 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

which means: And he has made the world egg-shaped. Egg shaped here referring to an ostrich's egg, which is sort-of spherical.

Your picture is based on the bible. And now, i'm going to use a Muslim reference to prove that earth is round.

 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

which means: And he has made the world egg-shaped. Egg shaped here referring to an ostrich's egg, which is sort-of spherical.

I'm a muslim that accept books never changes. So believing to quran, bible and torah. If you understand what is the meaning of "believing to books", you must accept torah and bible like quran. Actually this is a capacity problem. With an 161-181 iq i' can consubstantiate them all but if you can't do that, you can say the others are wrong. But this situation gives me a reason to say you are not "believing to books". This is a iman rule but i'm sure You are "believing a book". Do you understand the difference? I don't sure.

Your mean is wrong. As a muslim you must accet the earth is flat like me. Because Allah said us the earth as such as carpet. Show the refference of ayath. والارض بعد ذلك دحاها I'm sure that i will disproove your mean of the ayath. And you will be ashamed that you said a lie.

Your photos are the icebreakers. They are not attempting to break the "ice wall", rather trying to just simply break the ice to let it pass.
now lets go more scientific.

1. Physics tells us that the earth, with its massive size, would collapse into a ball (Literally itself) because of its sheer weight because anything that has mass has gravity. You could see this by opening a tap and putting your finger close to the water, but no touching it. the water will instantly go nearer to you finger.  So, if physics apply to these things, why can't we apply it in a bigger scale? Physics is a universal, and it does not exclude anything. no matter how small, no matter how big.

2. Planes could just fly over that small ice wall. Why even bother have that shield?

3. And where did we get this firmament idea? it has not been observed yet and it has no proof of existing. If you have, then share it with us.

1- Gravity is a lie. If there is gravity, why the atmosphere does not stick to the ground and does not poison  heavy gases crashes down people. And if the atmospher heavy on ground level and lightweight on outside, why the outside of the atmosfer don't difuses to the sky?. What happenes to the one of the main The laws of physics "difusion"? Is diffusion goes to holliday on the edge of atmosphere? Or is a jelly-like material saving the atmospher don't difuses the sky? If there is any material like this why it don't resist to Nasa and sattelites.


I can answer your other questions that easier then first one but you've exceeded the tolerable limit. Because you asked 3 questions and i answered these three questions. Now you are asking 3 new questions. You 've come to discuss not to learn . Sorry , but you are not sincere.

Your picture is based on the bible. And now, i'm going to use a Muslim reference to prove that earth is round.

 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

which means: And he has made the world egg-shaped. Egg shaped here referring to an ostrich's egg, which is sort-of spherical.

If you look at the diagram he provided, the world is indeed rather egg-shaped. This same argument gets trotted out against the midrash that says the earth is shaped like an eyeball. It is a compete failure of context of ANE cosmology and/or an attempt to force holy writ into the mould of the modern Orthodoxy.

Literature is to be interpretted through the lens of who/what/when/why if it is to be properly understood.

How about the fact that NASA has been caught faking and making composite images to fool the public for decades. NASA-supporters will always defend them by saying "Of Course they are Composite images" but the fact is THEY ARE ALL COMPOSITE IMAGES.

Why can't NASA take a real picture of Earth from space?

Like this picture for example people claim is real, but obviously a fake:



You can blow it up yourself and see all the fake little mountains.

3 seconds of google search found me a full earth picture.



I guess you need to try harder to discredit NASA.

massive IQ but won't look at a lunar eclipse?

I smell bs

massive IQ but won't look at a lunar eclipse?

I smell bs

?    You lost me

Quote from: Johnorbital on July 22, 2016, 09:36:27 AM

massive IQ but won't look at a lunar eclipse?

I smell bs

?    You lost me

intikam wrote

..With an 161-181 iq i' can consubstantiate them all but if you can't do that, you can say the others are wrong..

If he's got an IQ of 161-181 (higher than Einstein) then he needs to stop finding free IQ tests on the internet

..and maybe he should watch a lunar eclipse, then he'd know what shape the earth is

I've watched an eclipse.  I don't know what difference it makes apart from occasionally demonstrating how the Orthodoxy's explanation is impossible.

I've watched an eclipse.  I don't know what difference it makes apart from occasionally demonstrating how the Orthodoxy's explanation is impossible.

Really?

- that shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse is OUR shadow
- its round

..at this point we're either a flat disc or a sphere right?
so, we need further testing, the only way to see if we're a disc or a sphere is by watching other lunar eclipses

- if the shadow changes shape from time to time then we're obviously NOT a sphere
- if the shadow is always a circle, then we definitely ARE a globe

very simple

no flat earth theory successfully explains the lunar eclipse, most simply fail under basic testing

Why are we assuming that it is a shadow and that it is our shadow?

Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

Why are we assuming that it is a shadow and that it is our shadow?

I already wrote:

no flat earth theory successfully explains the lunar eclipse, most simply fail under basic testing

so which one do you believe?

Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

I've seen the falsehood of this with my own eyes.  There is no way the earth's shadow could account for the lunar eclipse.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on July 22, 2016, 11:12:28 AM

Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

I've seen the falsehood of this with my own eyes.  There is no way the earth's shadow could account for the lunar eclipse.

Find one single lunar eclipse that didn't happen during a full moon.

Looking to the Heavens at the Stars (luminary bodies) to determine the shape of Earth (dry land under the Firmament) is like assuming a Table is Plate-shaped because of the dinner plates that are on top of it.

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on July 22, 2016, 11:12:28 AM

Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

I've seen the falsehood of this with my own eyes.  There is no way the earth's shadow could account for the lunar eclipse.

What falsehood are you talking about? If you are in the right spot on earth, you can actually see the sun dissapearing over the horizon just as the moon is being partially eclipsed on the other horizon.

I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

Quote from: Ski on July 22, 2016, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: origamiscienceguy on July 22, 2016, 11:12:28 AM

Because it only happens when the earth is EXACTLY between the sun and the moon. What else could it be?

I've seen the falsehood of this with my own eyes.  There is no way the earth's shadow could account for the lunar eclipse.

What falsehood are you talking about? If you are in the right spot on earth, you can actually see the sun dissapearing over the horizon just as the moon is being partially eclipsed on the other horizon.

Then someone please explain the "impossible eclipse" aka Senelion Eclipses that take place when BOTH the SUN and the MOON are visible ABOVE THE HORIZON.

I know I know, atmospheric refraction... just like the impossible "Lake Superior Mirage" where the Chicago Skyline is visible from Michigan shoreline 60 miles away.

Funny how your eyes deceive you in order to make the "flat earth" seem "round".

That is refraction. The atmoshpere makes items visible about 1 degree further down then they actually are. Also, if you were on a high altitude when you saw this, the earth curves away so you can see a bit farther down when the eclipse was happening.

Answer this: Were they both on opposite ends of the horizon?

I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

ok.. why does the sun not disappear to a point? why does it seem to go down instead of away?

because the usual FE answer is 'refraction'
..so if refraction doesn't cause the sun and moon to be seen on opposite sides of the horizon during a lunar eclipse, then you need to go back and answer the sunrise/sunset question

you've still not said what you believe causes a lunar eclipse either, I did ask

Funny how your eyes deceive you in order to make the "flat earth" seem "round".

what's not funny is when people ignore evidence

the phenomenon is definitely our shadow, none of the flat earth explanations stand up to testing, leaving only the globe explanation available, this is why John Davis himself had to invent a non spherical, non flat, spherical, flat earth, because there's just no other explanation

so, to make it clear for you, I'll ask a rhetorical question:
why is the shadow during a lunar eclipse ALWAYS circular?

If we're a flat disc then the lunar eclipse would only be circular on a rare occasion, it's not, therefore proving our shape

its not technical, its visually simple, testable, I'm not sure how you don't understand

I'll ask you the same as the other guy.. what do YOU think causes a lunar eclipse?

Your picture is based on the bible. And now, i'm going to use a Muslim reference to prove that earth is round.

 والارض بعد ذلك دحاها

which means: And he has made the world egg-shaped. Egg shaped here referring to an ostrich's egg, which is sort-of spherical.

I know, Muslim apologetics claim, that  دحاها means ostrich egg. but this doesn't fit neither lexically nor grammatically. The verse means something like, he made the earth and stretched it out. Sorry, ya habibi, your prophet was a flat earther.

I have seen both the sun and moon above the horizon during the eclipse. Try replicating this with a beach ball, basketball, and flashlight in a dark room.

We have already covered Selenelion Lunar Eclipses. Try replicating it with a beach ball that has an atmosphere with refraction.

Allah said us the earth as such as carpet.

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