How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?

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Deostructor

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How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« on: July 12, 2016, 07:26:23 AM »
Definitions of shadow zones:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/glossary/?termID=170&alpha=S

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_zone

Any intentional derailment will be reported.

And by the way, I'm still waiting for visual evidence that the Earth is flat, so post it if you have it.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2016, 09:54:48 AM »
I can think of no better way to get people to try and derail a thread then to type something like this:

"Any intentional derailment will be reported."

Any explanation will be similar to how the sun appears to stay the same size or what causes things to fall.

So what do people think about killing puppies and kittens good or bad?  I think it is fun.  I like the sound they make when I stomp them.

Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2016, 10:38:34 AM »
You can't see shadow zones from outside your window, so they don't exist.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2016, 11:07:06 AM »
Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Penguin shill detected  >:(

Ok, so I read the shadow zone link, and from what I understand it is caused by water in the crust? Is that correct? If that is the case, then I don't know what the question is, since there is definitely water under the ground on the flat earth.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2016, 11:53:30 AM »
There's not too much explanation of how earthquakes travel as it is, so don't expect much of an answer. Some FEers seem to deny the existence of tectonic plates.
They're not going to be able to explain shadow zones until they can explain the first thing about earthquakes. usually you just get handwaving: the waves reflect off something on the other side of the disc, but something's in the way/not there etc.

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Deostructor

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2016, 12:29:32 PM »
Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Penguin shill detected  >:(

Ok, so I read the shadow zone link, and from what I understand it is caused by water in the crust? Is that correct? If that is the case, then I don't know what the question is, since there is definitely water under the ground on the flat earth.

There is definitely some water in the crust, but water has nothing to do with shadow zones.
there are two types of waves generated by an earthquake:
S-waves and P-waves
S-waves can pass ONLY through solids.
P-waves can pass through both solids and liquids. (but their intensity is decreased a bit when passing through liquids)
A shadow zone is an area opposite of the earthquake (assuming the Earth is round) that lacks S-waves and has P-waves who's intensity is decreased.
So since the crust and the mantle are mostly solid, both waves travel through them without any problem. The inner core is solid, but the outer core is liquid.
Because the outer core blocks the S-waves, they will not appear at the opposite side of the world.

For example if an earthquake happened in Spain, a shadow zone would appear around New Zealand.


The FET does not explain this.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2016, 01:07:32 PM »
I can think of no better way to get people to try and derail a thread then to type something like this:

"Any intentional derailment will be reported."

Any explanation will be similar to how the sun appears to stay the same size or what causes things to fall.

So what do people think about killing puppies and kittens good or bad?  I think it is fun.  I like the sound they make when I stomp them.

Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Make America great again.

There are homosexual penguins.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_and_Silo

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Woody

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2016, 03:01:44 PM »
I can think of no better way to get people to try and derail a thread then to type something like this:

"Any intentional derailment will be reported."

Any explanation will be similar to how the sun appears to stay the same size or what causes things to fall.

So what do people think about killing puppies and kittens good or bad?  I think it is fun.  I like the sound they make when I stomp them.

Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Make America great again.

There are homosexual penguins.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_and_Silo

I suspect holograms were used or they added a fake penis to a female penguin.

Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 10:26:12 AM »
I can think of no better way to get people to try and derail a thread then to type something like this:

"Any intentional derailment will be reported."

Any explanation will be similar to how the sun appears to stay the same size or what causes things to fall.

So what do people think about killing puppies and kittens good or bad?  I think it is fun.  I like the sound they make when I stomp them.

Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Make America great again.

There are homosexual penguins.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_and_Silo

I suspect holograms were used or they added a fake penis to a female penguin.

All I am saying is that penguins may be more evil than you are admitting.

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2016, 02:48:14 PM »
Listen to Inkey.  He seems to have a firm grasp on the homosexual lifestyle!

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2016, 04:52:51 PM »
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2016, 09:11:19 PM »
Penguins are not evil, just misunderstood. Proof of this is there are no homosexual penguins.

Penguin shill detected  >:(

Ok, so I read the shadow zone link, and from what I understand it is caused by water in the crust? Is that correct? If that is the case, then I don't know what the question is, since there is definitely water under the ground on the flat earth.

There is definitely some water in the crust, but water has nothing to do with shadow zones.
there are two types of waves generated by an earthquake:
S-waves and P-waves
S-waves can pass ONLY through solids.
P-waves can pass through both solids and liquids. (but their intensity is decreased a bit when passing through liquids)
A shadow zone is an area opposite of the earthquake (assuming the Earth is round) that lacks S-waves and has P-waves who's intensity is decreased.
So since the crust and the mantle are mostly solid, both waves travel through them without any problem. The inner core is solid, but the outer core is liquid.
Because the outer core blocks the S-waves, they will not appear at the opposite side of the world.

For example if an earthquake happened in Spain, a shadow zone would appear around New Zealand.


The FET does not explain this.


Without using Google, enlighten us on the chemical and physical properties of
the liquid outer core.



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Deostructor

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2016, 09:47:50 AM »
"Without using Google"

Why?
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2016, 11:04:53 AM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2016, 04:24:46 PM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2016, 04:21:44 AM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2016, 07:51:30 AM »
Listen to Inkey.  He seems to have a firm grasp on the homosexual lifestyle!

After as many gay penguin videos as I have watched, yes I have a firm grasp on the penguin homosexual lifestyle.

"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?


I prefer Lycos webcrawler, I can't find an app for it on my phone though...

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2016, 05:55:59 PM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?

I use bing.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2016, 01:30:45 AM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?

I use bing.

I knew something was wrong with you.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2016, 04:56:15 PM »
It is the introduction of anistropy of other hypotheticals that makes P- and S-waves useless to determine the shape of the earth. They induce the location of deep core liquid layers and anistropic material based on the assumption that the waves must be traveling through a globe. If they assumed the earth was not a sphere, the depth of the earth would be made to look different by varying the layers of anistropy, etc. to get the waves to match that shape. The shape is assumed. The induced composition is dependent on the assumption, not the other way around. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2016, 06:40:13 AM »
I don't think you understand. The op is saying that earthquakes match the predictions of RE but don't match those of FE.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2016, 09:00:21 AM »
I don't think you understand. The only reason the data "fits" the RE model is that RET is presumed and the composition of the earth is assumed to make the data fit. Liquid zones and anistropic material are placed within a hypothetical "globe" to make the data fit the model.

This is terrible "proof" working backwards from the conclusion.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2016, 02:18:34 PM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?

I use bing.

I knew something was wrong with you.

Hey! I like bing. I get better and more results.  >:( ;D
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2016, 01:32:13 AM »
"Without using Google"

Why?

Psst! Use a book!

Nah,

I'l use the official Wikipedia app,

technically not Google.

I mean, you could use Yahoo or Bing, but who does that anymore?

I use bing.

I knew something was wrong with you.

Hey! I like bing. I get better and more results.  >:( ;D

Someone needs to lock you up. Fast.  ;D
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2016, 01:38:25 AM »
I don't think you understand. The only reason the data "fits" the RE model is that RET is presumed and the composition of the earth is assumed to make the data fit. Liquid zones and anistropic material are placed within a hypothetical "globe" to make the data fit the model.

This is terrible "proof" working backwards from the conclusion.

AGAIN, I don't think you understand. Not only are liquid zones etc. perfectly consistent with the round earth model and SHOULD be there anyways, there is NO way for FE to explain seismic wave refraction, or any instance of seismic waves traveling through earth like that for that matter. Also, there are different ways to confirm the composition of earth's interior, independent of seismic waves and the RE model, so there you have an additional way to confirm of the model.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2016, 05:53:14 AM »
I look forward to the non-hypothetical proof of the composition of the earth. All those deep liquid/anistropic core samples, perhaps...
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2016, 11:28:22 AM »
I look forward to the non-hypothetical proof of the composition of the earth. All those deep liquid/anistropic core samples, perhaps...

You mean the minerals that sometimes come up through volcanoes and other crap? Ok, they don't come from the CORE, but they still give you a good idea.

Also, what is more important here is that a molten core is consistent (and in fact a consequence) of a round earth, AND the way seismic waves propagate is consistent with that, so that gives you a pretty good indicator for the shape of earth.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2016, 12:04:09 PM »
So nothing that you haven't deducted from your presumed premise of the earth's shape then. Noted.
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Re: How does the FET explain earthquake shadow zones?
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2016, 12:19:31 AM »
So nothing that you haven't deducted from your presumed premise of the earth's shape then. Noted.

Did you even read my comment?
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