FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS

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FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« on: July 09, 2016, 06:57:20 PM »
First of all I am not a Pro or Anti Flat Earth Theory..... JUST YET
I have some few question to raise. With no scientific equations and NASA Proof (FAKE) photos or what so ever.
Although I have no clue if these questions has have been raise already before.

1. If Earth is flat and if the reference of it's map is somewhat similar from the one located at the very bottom of the Flat Earth FAQ - Please Read! page.
Traveling from a country in southern region to another country in southern region should take longer than traveling from a country in northern region to another country in northern region or even to traveling from a country in southern region to a country in northern region.

Ex: South Region to South region
      New Zealand (South A) ----> Chile (South B) ----- 6,026 miles ---- Flight time: 12 hours and 33 mins
      Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia (North A) ----> Boston (North B) ----- 6,215 miles ---- Flight time: 12 hours and 56 mins
      Capetown, South Africa (South A) ----> Oslo, Norway (North B) ---6,477 miles ---Flight time: 13 hours and 27 mins





2. If Earth is flat is it possible that there are some other continents outside the ones we know so far? If there are, then why Humans from those continents haven't contacted us yet? (same ideology of questioning life from the other planets.)

3. If the Sun and Moon is Rotating on top of us, then what makes the effect of the moon having crescent, half moon, full moon and even eclipse?

I don't disagree in some of the explanations given from youtube, wiki or even from this forum about flat earth. but I don't  fully agree to everything as well.
NASA and other Elite people might have been covering up tons of truth from us. Yes, It can't be all true. But it does not mean everything is a lie.



Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2016, 02:45:56 AM »
1. There is no flat earth map

2. Some flatties go for the "infinite plane" model of earth, in which case I suppose they may believe other human colonies are out there.  Most of them are making it up as they go along, so it might change from day to day

3 There isn't a serious explanation for the moon phases  - they joke about telepathic bio-luminescent shrimp that live on the moon to hide the fact they have no idea.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2016, 03:35:49 AM »
As it has been said, there is no consensus about the shape of the earth, aside from its flatness. Some claim it's like the map you've posted, others think it's a concave half torus, others think the map is actually a sphere because the flat earth's measurements are warped by some extrapowerful force making it non-euclidian, etc.

So there can't be an acceptable answer, other than "those flights are fake/You're not actually going where they tell you you're going/weird science fiction technology lets planes travel faster as they get closer to the south pole (which according to most flat earthers, doesn't exist because the Antarctica, being a ring, doesn't have a single point furtherst to the north pole)".

As it has been impossible to create a flat earth map, it would not be farfetched to think there could be other continents or even other flat earths with their own domes, suns and moons. But only if the flat earth rests in an infinite space.

No flat earth model can explain moon eclipses (nor solar ones, mind you). To give an answer, it's either bioluminiscent lunar creatures or an invisible third object flying over us that, even if it is invisible and transparent, can still cast shadows and light, alternatively, at the best convenience of flat earthers.

Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2016, 03:52:13 AM »
As it has been said, there is no consensus about the shape of the earth, aside from its flatness. Some claim it's like the map you've posted, others think it's a concave half torus, others think the map is actually a sphere because the flat earth's measurements are warped by some extrapowerful force making it non-euclidian, etc.

So there can't be an acceptable answer, other than "those flights are fake/You're not actually going where they tell you you're going/weird science fiction technology lets planes travel faster as they get closer to the south pole (which according to most flat earthers, doesn't exist because the Antarctica, being a ring, doesn't have a single point furtherst to the north pole)".

As it has been impossible to create a flat earth map, it would not be farfetched to think there could be other continents or even other flat earths with their own domes, suns and moons. But only if the flat earth rests in an infinite space.

No flat earth model can explain moon eclipses (nor solar ones, mind you). To give an answer, it's either bioluminiscent lunar creatures or an invisible third object flying over us that, even if it is invisible and transparent, can still cast shadows and light, alternatively, at the best convenience of flat earthers.

only 1 point, the FE's use the same explanation as us for the solar eclipse

but the lunar eclipse is absolute evidence of our shape, the FE explanation fails at basic testing

they ignore the evidence, but it's blatantly there

Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2016, 03:56:47 AM »
Actually, they can't. If their moon is as big as their sun, it's completely impossible to have an eclipse like the ones we've always experienced. There would be no crown, for starters. Also, if both moon and sun fly at the same height, they would crash, and it doesn't happen, unless they can now vary their height, too. It wouldn't surprise me, though. They already change their "orbit" and speed constantly

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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2016, 04:19:05 AM »
..and general make-up depending on what evidence you use against them

they seem to think that because they can think of a far fetched explanation for something, that it means the point is still a theory

the flat earth is not a theory anymore simply due to the TESTABLE evidence to the contrary

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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2016, 07:05:47 AM »
Actually, they can't. If their moon is as big as their sun, it's completely impossible to have an eclipse like the ones we've always experienced. There would be no crown, for starters. Also, if both moon and sun fly at the same height, they would crash, and it doesn't happen, unless they can now vary their height, too. It wouldn't surprise me, though. They already change their "orbit" and speed constantly
Also, if the Moon is bigger than the Sun in the sky (a total eclipse) and approximately at the same height as the Sun, why the entire FE doesn't go dark. Why is the path of totality on the Earth only a couple hundred miles with partiality being about 1/2 the Earth. Can a FE even make this type of prediction - Aug 21, 2017:

(http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2017-august-21)

Mathematically, we should be able to figure out what the height of the Sun and Moon need to be to show solar eclipses on the FE. That may also be a problem because after thousands of years, they still don't know the height of the Sun and Moon. At best we have this, that changes the height of the Sun based on position on the Earth (3000 mi is cherry-picked - no single height, it is also silly because FEers don't know where the equator is or if an "edge" even exists): (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=64777.msg1729335#msg1729335)
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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2016, 08:27:00 AM »
No flat earth model can explain moon eclipses (nor solar ones, mind you). To give an answer, it's either bioluminiscent lunar creatures or an invisible third object flying over us that, even if it is invisible and transparent, can still cast shadows and light, alternatively, at the best convenience of flat earthers.

now.. now.. this sounds more like a fairy tale than reality over spherical shaped earth. There is no way a creature can illuminate to create an effect in transition accordingly exact to what is happening in our moon for even just a thousand of years. It would only going to be possible and valid as theory if it is illuminating in different variation of abstract shapes. And a transparent object? then, where is the refraction?

can any flatearthners join our discussion please?

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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2016, 09:31:05 PM »
No flat earth model can explain moon eclipses (nor solar ones, mind you). To give an answer, it's either bioluminiscent lunar creatures or an invisible third object flying over us that, even if it is invisible and transparent, can still cast shadows and light, alternatively, at the best convenience of flat earthers.

now.. now.. this sounds more like a fairy tale than reality over spherical shaped earth. There is no way a creature can illuminate to create an effect in transition accordingly exact to what is happening in our moon for even just a thousand of years. It would only going to be possible and valid as theory if it is illuminating in different variation of abstract shapes. And a transparent object? then, where is the refraction?

can any flatearthners join our discussion please?
I'm certainly not one but this their Wiki's explanation of
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The Lunar Eclipse
A Lunar Eclipse occurs about twice a year when a satellite of the sun passes between the sun and moon.

This satellite is called the Shadow Object. Its orbital plane is tilted at an angle of about 5°10' to the sun's orbital plane, making eclipses possible only when the three bodies (Sun, Object, and Moon) are aligned and when the moon is crossing the sun's orbital plane (at a point called the node).
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The shadow object is never seen because it orbits close to the sun. As the sun's powerful vertical rays hit the atmosphere during the day they will scatter and blot out nearly every single star and celestial body in the sky. We are never given a glimpse of the celestial bodies which appear near the sun during the day - they are completely washed out by the sun's light.

It is estimated that the Shadow Object is around five to ten miles in diameter. Since it is somewhat close to the sun the manifestation of its penumbra upon the moon appears as a magnified projection. This is similar to how during a shadow puppet show your hand's shadow can make a large magnified projection upon your bedroom wall as you move it closer to the flashlight.
I have never been able to get an explanation of how this could ever produce any shadow on the moon at the time of a full moon.

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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 05:22:23 AM »
First of all I am not a Pro or Anti Flat Earth Theory..... JUST YET
I have some few question to raise. With no scientific equations and NASA Proof (FAKE) photos or what so ever.
Although I have no clue if these questions has have been raise already before.

1. If Earth is flat and if the reference of it's map is somewhat similar from the one located at the very bottom of the Flat Earth FAQ - Please Read! page.
Traveling from a country in southern region to another country in southern region should take longer than traveling from a country in northern region to another country in northern region or even to traveling from a country in southern region to a country in northern region.

Ex: South Region to South region
      New Zealand (South A) ----> Chile (South B) ----- 6,026 miles ---- Flight time: 12 hours and 33 mins
      Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia (North A) ----> Boston (North B) ----- 6,215 miles ---- Flight time: 12 hours and 56 mins
      Capetown, South Africa (South A) ----> Oslo, Norway (North B) ---6,477 miles ---Flight time: 13 hours and 27 mins





2. If Earth is flat is it possible that there are some other continents outside the ones we know so far? If there are, then why Humans from those continents haven't contacted us yet? (same ideology of questioning life from the other planets.)

3. If the Sun and Moon is Rotating on top of us, then what makes the effect of the moon having crescent, half moon, full moon and even eclipse?

I don't disagree in some of the explanations given from youtube, wiki or even from this forum about flat earth. but I don't  fully agree to everything as well.
NASA and other Elite people might have been covering up tons of truth from us. Yes, It can't be all true. But it does not mean everything is a lie.

1- The flight distance from New Zeland to Chile is wrong because there is some good "jet streams" near to Australia and causing to understand distances from these countries as false. You can't find a flight from Chile to San Fransisco Klax. Click to link: http://tr.flightaware.com/live/findflight/SCEL/klax/ It is just 4 hours total distance but there is no flight. Look to the map the distance from chile to San Fransisco is closer than the distance from Chile to New York but all flights passing to NY or another cities to going to San Fransisco that not requered . This is just one of the nonsence.

To understand this issue look to FE map that you posted. I mark the chile, San Fransisco and New York. Look at to the map.



As you see that on the flat earth map it is meaningful to stop on NY when you go Chile from San Fransisco. But on the globe map it is meanless.



2- We don't know the answer of this question because there is nobody continuously gone to South and discovered new continents. This is because the ice walls surrounding the lands and we can't gone out of these walls yet. If USA, Russia, China and other countries want to do that, they should to do cooperation, but they their choice is continue to lying such on coordination..

3- The moon has own light that proven several times that it is cold light. it is a far cry from the reflection of sunlight. There is a completely different mechanism causes to moon having crescent, half moon, full moon and even eclipse. if the truth be spoken , this mechanism can be discussed. But here and the rest of the world just discussing with lies.

The United States, United Kingdom, France, Russia, China and the others they treat  like a criminal organization instead of acting scientific.

So "we have no time to meeting the round earth society". :)
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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 05:34:10 AM »
Wow.  Look at this.  A bunch of roundies logging into the same thread to shake each other's dicks.  This never happens here.  ::)

Isnt there a round Earth society you people could go to where people give a f*** about your opinions?  ???

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Re: FLAT EARTH -- REAL DEBATABLE THOUGHTS
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2016, 05:48:54 AM »
If all of the American pilots are idiots that stopping on NY when they are going to Chile from San Fransisco or if the earth is flat?  ;D





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