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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23820 on: December 06, 2024, 02:58:35 PM »
We didn't outsource fentanyl to poorer countries, China did.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23821 on: December 07, 2024, 04:46:00 AM »
Chi-na isn't the one importing and consuming it, you are.  If there was no demand, there would be no supply. Like most of the countries on the planet.

Lets face it, you totally created this demand.  The US invasion of Afghanistan led to it massively increasing it's heroin output, flooding the world with cheap opioids.  America created a narco state and when they left the Taliban once again completely destroyed opium cultivation, leaving a huge supply deficit.  The Mexican gangs, like good capitalists, stepped into to that market gap - giving the American consumer what they wanted.  And the American consumer always gets what they want.

And this is without getting into the fact that your pharmaceutical  companies hooked millions of people in the first place, created opioid cultures where none had existed before.
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I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23823 on: December 07, 2024, 06:02:04 AM »

It's incredibly addictive.
What, money?    And yes, I'm aware that fentanyl is very moorish.

I'm also aware that Chi-na supplies many of the precursors.  It's still you guys snorting and injecting everything that creates these markets - stop blaming foreigners for your issues.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23824 on: December 07, 2024, 06:30:03 AM »
Good lord. I show you evidence that China is fueling the manufacturing of fentanyl and you think this is some anti foreigner take.

The opioid addiction problem in the US wasn't caused by "foreigners" (not even Afghanistan) it was caused by the pharmaceutical industry and criminal physicians.  Most of the original fentanyl addicts weren't heroin addicts to begin with, they were addicted to prescription pain pills. When the gov cracked down on pill mills, some of them turned to heroin, which was quickly replaced by fentanyl. Now it's so easy to get it has created a new batch of zombie addicts.

The highly addictive quality of fentanyl fueled the demand.

I'm not sure why you are mad at me about this. I sincerely hope China doesn't start selling fentanyl precursor to your country. People are dropping dead from overdoses, and it's creating a massive homeless problem.

Is "Chi-na" some new way to spell China? I don't get it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23825 on: December 07, 2024, 08:31:53 AM »
I'm not sure why you are mad at me about this. I sincerely hope China doesn't start selling fentanyl precursor to your country.
Not mad at you Spacey, just debating.  Mad at the American attitude that tries to blame everyone else for it's ills.  And the bullshit myths that are created, especially around the disastrous war on drugs south of your border.   

And the invasion of Afghanistan did cause a massive increase the global production of heroin  (US authorities made the laughable claim Mexico was cultivating it all), which definitely did drive up addiction rates globally.

Nobody is going to start producing fentanyl in our country, precursor or not.  If there was a market it would just be imported as the finished product - like we do with the tons of cocaine and heroin that flood in every week.

Don't really know where we source our heroin from now  - it was 95% Afghan before - from reading around it seems the price went up but started dropping as stockpiles were utilised.  The Turkish crime gangs have been at war due to the massive disturbance in the market - maybe if they can't source the heroin they will turn to synthetics to plug the gap.  Then we will see a fentanyl problem in our country.

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People are dropping dead from overdoses, and it's creating a massive homeless problem.
Or is the homelessness problem fuelling the drug use?  I don't expect it's easy to separate cause and effect there.

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Is "Chi-na" some new way to spell China? I don't get it.
Ah, it's just how Trump says it - probably only works inside my own head.  :P
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23826 on: December 07, 2024, 08:51:11 AM »
It doesn't matter who makes it because if you ban it and stop the supply, something else will take its place.  Gotta stop the demand at the source, which the US is really bad at doing.

"Free drug rehab? Fuck no!"
"Help you get off the drug safely?  Fuck no.  Go cold turkey in jail!"
"Medical care to help you not need pain killers all the time?  Ahahahahhahahahahhhhahahaha.... No."
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23827 on: December 07, 2024, 09:56:44 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23828 on: December 07, 2024, 10:45:20 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23829 on: December 07, 2024, 11:35:17 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5217561/mexican-troops-seize-record-fentanyl-sinaloa

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MEXICO CITY — Mexican soldiers and marines have seized over a ton of fentanyl pills in two raids in the north, with officials calling it the biggest catch of the synthetic opioid in the country's history.

The raids came after a sharp drop in fentanyl seizures in Mexico earlier this year, and days after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump threatened to impose 25% tariffs on products from Canada and Mexico unless those countries cracked down on the flow of migrants and drugs across the border.

Experts say the timing may not be a coincidence.

"It is clear that the Mexican government has been managing the timing of fentanyl seizures," said security analyst David Saucedo. "But under the pressure by Donald Trump, it appears President Claudia Sheinbaum's administration is willing to the increase the capture of drug traffickers and drug seizures that Washington is demanding."


MAGA!

Who knew they only needed to be threatened a little bit? lol
The question is: Is it good or bad?
Obviously they knew where these things were.  The question is: were they pacing them for a good reason and just decided to do something big to appease the Trump by doing something big and news worthy so he'll forget about the Tarrifs?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23830 on: December 07, 2024, 12:03:35 PM »
I think they probably are hoping Trump will think they're doing something so he'll not impose tariffs. Mexico does not think the drug smuggling problem is their problem. Which makes no sense to me, because they have their own drug addiction problems. It's not all being smuggled into the US! Not to mention the violence that goes along with it. They have thousands and thousands of murders related to the drug trade.

I think the US and Mexico should work together to get this under control. Not be enemies. I love Mexico.

Jimmy I think it is drug addiction fueling homelessness, not the other way around. People with everything, stable homes, decent money, they lose it all. I was close to people who lost everything to their pain pill addiction. They were middle class suburban moms! They had the best chance of not going to jail, because they could afford rehab, some of them ended up in jail anyway. Opioids are powerfully addictive. Fentanyl has turned it up to eleven. Our NGOs all promote "harm reduction" which means giving addicts clean needles, but no help. You can't stop fentanyl cold turkey, you could die. I wish I could remember which country had a successful program, I swear I think it was Portugal. I don't see the US ever doing the right thing, anyway. You have to have compassion for these people, and we have two extremes, which are enabling the addiction or locking the addicts up with no treatment.

I do agree with you lorddave, we should have a free drug rehab programs. It's the only way. Most people who are strung out on drugs do not have insurance, and the money they scrape up is used to buy the next high.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23831 on: December 07, 2024, 01:20:30 PM »
But its not just stable homes.
Many affluent teens got hooked on it due to prwcously mentioned big pharma

BLM said they were seen as crack junkies and no one cared but when WYPPL cheerleader cap football team it became national emergency.




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Drugs in general for homeless people is definietly srable homes and food solveable.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23832 on: December 07, 2024, 02:39:21 PM »
I think they probably are hoping Trump will think they're doing something so he'll not impose tariffs. Mexico does not think the drug smuggling problem is their problem. Which makes no sense to me, because they have their own drug addiction problems. It's not all being smuggled into the US! Not to mention the violence that goes along with it. They have thousands and thousands of murders related to the drug trade.

I think the US and Mexico should work together to get this under control. Not be enemies. I love Mexico.

Jimmy I think it is drug addiction fueling homelessness, not the other way around. People with everything, stable homes, decent money, they lose it all. I was close to people who lost everything to their pain pill addiction. They were middle class suburban moms! They had the best chance of not going to jail, because they could afford rehab, some of them ended up in jail anyway. Opioids are powerfully addictive. Fentanyl has turned it up to eleven. Our NGOs all promote "harm reduction" which means giving addicts clean needles, but no help. You can't stop fentanyl cold turkey, you could die. I wish I could remember which country had a successful program, I swear I think it was Portugal. I don't see the US ever doing the right thing, anyway. You have to have compassion for these people, and we have two extremes, which are enabling the addiction or locking the addicts up with no treatment.

I do agree with you lorddave, we should have a free drug rehab programs. It's the only way. Most people who are strung out on drugs do not have insurance, and the money they scrape up is used to buy the next high.

I believe the US and Mexico do work together but it's not like you can simply drone strike a suspected drug den.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23833 on: December 09, 2024, 10:35:34 PM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj30er1d6mxo

Trump vows to end birthright citizenship via Executive Order despite it being a constitutional Amendment.  He then vowed to deport illegals and their American citizen families.

So Trump not only doesn't know the constitution, but wants to remove citizenship from Americans.  Because he's just a walking meme.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23834 on: December 10, 2024, 12:20:58 AM »
There’s only two parts of the constitution that matter.  The right to lie and be abusive, and the right to own the means to shoot people.

Americans will wail about any supposed limitation of two amendments.  Fuck the rest.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23835 on: December 10, 2024, 05:59:46 AM »
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj30er1d6mxo

Trump vows to end birthright citizenship via Executive Order despite it being a constitutional Amendment.  He then vowed to deport illegals and their American citizen families.

So Trump not only doesn't know the constitution, but wants to remove citizenship from Americans.  Because he's just a walking meme.

The first half of the interview is worth watching.  Everything is "concepts of a plan".  I think he's trying to embrace that phrasing as a good thing somehow.  It's clear he hasn't thought of anything beyond the stage of making people at rallies cheer.  It's hard to imagine any of these concepts of a plan improving the situation for the US.  Competent administrators might be able to turn these concepts into something workable.  But competency isn't what Trump selected his cabinet for.

The second half is just grievance and lies.

As far as I can tell we'll probably see 4 years of Trump trying policies that harm the country and then pulling back on them and claiming victory.  Moderate incompetency and some light to medium looting of the country is the best we can expect.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23836 on: December 10, 2024, 09:28:56 AM »
If anything doesn't work, just blame the "deep state for being more powerful than we thought".  This will definitely happen with the DOGE stuff.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23837 on: December 11, 2024, 12:10:03 AM »
I can help out here.  It's quite simple.  Americans by and large are ignorant and stupid.  The evidence is overwhelming.

Apologies to my American friends.  But truth hurts.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23838 on: December 11, 2024, 03:04:43 AM »
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113618551122258874

So apparently Jill Biden is sexually attracted to Trump due to Trump Cologne.

Or so Trump claims in an advertisement.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23839 on: December 11, 2024, 06:55:16 AM »
4 more years of this.  Jesus Christ.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23840 on: December 11, 2024, 07:56:10 AM »
You’d think that we would have learned our lesson the first time. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23841 on: December 11, 2024, 08:09:28 AM »
I can help out here.  It's quite simple.  Americans by and large are ignorant and stupid.  The evidence is overwhelming.

Apologies to my American friends.  But truth hurts.

Not sure if you've been paying attention, but its pretty much everyone.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23842 on: December 11, 2024, 08:10:07 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23843 on: December 12, 2024, 03:26:42 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/12/pete-hegseth-military-comments

Another fine example of the bunch  of alt right fucking morons soon to be in charge of the US

Imagine writing a book ranting about Marxist ideology without even bothering to look in the dictionary to find out what the word means.

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Themightykabool

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23844 on: December 12, 2024, 03:30:17 PM »
he has his opinion and is super confident in it without requirnig external verification of facts or definitions.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23845 on: December 29, 2024, 01:13:40 AM »
I think they probably are hoping Trump will think they're doing something so he'll not impose tariffs. Mexico does not think the drug smuggling problem is their problem. Which makes no sense to me, because they have their own drug addiction problems. It's not all being smuggled into the US! Not to mention the violence that goes along with it. They have thousands and thousands of murders related to the drug trade.

I think the US and Mexico should work together to get this under control. Not be enemies. I love Mexico.

Jimmy I think it is drug addiction fueling homelessness, not the other way around. People with everything, stable homes, decent money, they lose it all. I was close to people who lost everything to their pain pill addiction. They were middle class suburban moms! They had the best chance of not going to jail, because they could afford rehab, some of them ended up in jail anyway. Opioids are powerfully addictive. Fentanyl has turned it up to eleven. Our NGOs all promote "harm reduction" which means giving addicts clean needles, but no help. You can't stop fentanyl cold turkey, you could die. I wish I could remember which country had a successful program, I swear I think it was Portugal. I don't see the US ever doing the right thing, anyway. You have to have compassion for these people, and we have two extremes, which are enabling the addiction or locking the addicts up with no treatment.

I do agree with you lorddave, we should have a free drug rehab programs. It's the only way. Most people who are strung out on drugs do not have insurance, and the money they scrape up is used to buy the next high.

Yes, Portugal does have a successful policy toward drugs, because they started treating drug use as a public health issue and not a criminal issue, although there is more they could have done. They mostly decriminalized use of any drug, but kept trafficking criminalized. The result was that a large percentage of drug users sought medical help, HIV transmission from drug use fell by 90%, and overdose deaths also decreased greatly. HOWEVER, drug use actually increased a little bit, although that might have been because people were more likely to admit they used drugs. So it doesn't exactly solve the demand issue, although drugs did become a whole lot cheaper after these laws (which hurts the dealers).
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23846 on: December 29, 2024, 01:16:08 AM »
It's kinda funny how Vivek and Musk sided with the hardcore nationalist anti immigrant crowd only to turn around and tell them that Americans are actually super dumb and incompetent and they actually really need foreigners to come in.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23847 on: January 03, 2025, 02:05:30 AM »
So, when does the madness start? When does the bewigged pumpkin briefly reign alongside the waxy faced ketamine junky before they trip over their egos and fall out, and what will that mean for Greenland and the Panama Canal?

Will more of your military break under the strain and attack their own or is the whole country on the brink of a misinformation implosion fueled by Chinese tiktok algorithms and X sacking of its overseers?

Is the overmedication and intoxication of your populace to opioids and the ever increasing waistlines due to corn-syrup addiction an attempt to make you slower and easier to hit by drones piloted by Ritalin dosed teens thinking they are playing FPV Kamikaze drone on Steam, or is it just to sell the drugs and make you less likely to be whisked away by the fossil fueled induced climate change winds?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23848 on: January 03, 2025, 08:21:10 AM »
It's kinda funny how Vivek and Musk sided with the hardcore nationalist anti immigrant crowd only to turn around and tell them that Americans are actually super dumb and incompetent and they actually really need foreigners to come in.


Its funny because "we" all knew ans tried to warn them...





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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23849 on: January 03, 2025, 09:30:52 AM »
To be fair, I think that they want the smart legal immigrants, not the unwashed illegal ones.  Subtle difference.
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