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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23520 on: November 12, 2024, 03:54:29 PM »
So many great choices.  Tucker Carlson.  Alex Jones.  I'm really hoping for that crazy blonde lady that thought the vaccines magnetized her.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23521 on: November 12, 2024, 04:27:06 PM »
Alex Jones would be awesome. The press corps wouldn't know what to do.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23522 on: November 12, 2024, 04:39:03 PM »
That asswipe postsd a photo of him and a rifle saying he wanted to be the press person.

Talk about atomping 1stA rights!

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23523 on: November 12, 2024, 04:50:21 PM »
I just want to let the world know that I don't give a flying fak! As ya'll have probably gathered by now by my silence. I say it best when I say nothing at all. 

Too little too late! The world is truly and royally fucked! He ain't gonna do shit! Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! I'm also doubtful that he would be good for Israel, because he is part of the Beast System! And the crazy jump in price of Bitcoin is another proof of this!

BUT seeing rich and spoiled crazy lefties, and evil terrorists around the world losing it makes me sooo happy!

Poor people don't belong to the left. They tend to be more conservative on most cultural, social, and moral issues in general. Because they are still humans! Unlike most so called people I see these days.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23524 on: November 12, 2024, 05:52:19 PM »
That asswipe postsd a photo of him and a rifle saying he wanted to be the press person.

Talk about atomping 1stA rights!

Yes. He's perfect.  We don't need a Sean Spicer trying to sane wash Trump.  We need a press secretary that accurately reflects the madness of this administration.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23525 on: November 12, 2024, 06:01:30 PM »
He'll make the frogs gay!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23526 on: November 12, 2024, 06:06:49 PM »
I would love to see him ranting about the government turning the frogs gay as Trump's press secretary.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23527 on: November 12, 2024, 09:27:01 PM »
Can a frog be gay if it transitions to female?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23528 on: November 12, 2024, 11:03:27 PM »
We shouldn't be paying people less than minimum wage to harvest our food. IMO

True. But have you considered however why the people who have immigrants working for them tend to support anti-immigrant policies?

Do they support anti immigrant policies, or anti illegal immigrant policies?

Both, they tend to come packaged. But it's much more interesting that they support anti-illegal immigrant policies. You know, the people employing them. Why do you think the people employing illegal immigrants would support policies against them?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23529 on: November 13, 2024, 12:04:38 AM »
By the way, for all the people trying to figure out why Trump won, look at Space Cowgirl! She used to vote democrats, right? And now she voted for Trump. Probably. Even if she didn't this time, it really doesn't matter. Why might have that happened? Well, she's now become kinda like a single issue voter. The single issue is trans, in case you haven't figured it out. Or at least, it's the pivot for everything else. A lot of the people who started voting for Trump are like that. Take a mostly immaterial issue, blow it up like it's the end of the world, get people to zero in on it, and if you do it well enough, you'll get people to ignore anything else, and support things they would normally never go for. The more isolated you are from the rest of society the better it works.

It's not like democrats don't also push the conversation to largely immaterial issues. They don't want to talk about the other stuff either. They serve almost the same interests. Almost, because there are some small differences. Democrats for the most part have finance capital, entertainment and tech companies with them, republicans have the domestic industry and agriculture. Which is why you get stuff like republicans wanting tariffs and democrats rejecting them. But that's stuff that most normal people don't care that much about because it doesn't interest them much. Healthcare for example does interest people, but if you rot their brains enough with hyper-fixating on culture war shit, then they forget all about it.

Who won is not concerning me (beyond the Gaza issue) as much as the way the playbook worked, and the utterly insane stuff I keep seeing people say and actually believe. It's also concerning that I see the same concepts being transferred verbatim here as well. We already have a government that was elected on a conservative and anti-immigrant platform and they already largely pulled that shit off to get elected, but even then far right movements are gaining hold which are using the same things against THEM. It pushes the conversation to absurd places. Grandpas who own farms are voting far right parties to stop the "hordes of illegal immigrants" ruining the country. Meanwhile they live in towns that are maybe 1% immigrants, and that 1% is the people who they hired to work in their farms. Boomers think we are currently in war with Turkey and are concerned about NWO forcing us to eat insects and 3d printed meat, and kids are watching Andrew Tate clones and give money to creeps calling themselves life coaches who show you how to do pullups, make money, get women, be a Christian, and most of all be a real certified alpha dude bro, because that's what you are threatened by, betas and the gays. Meanwhile purchasing power has fallen to shit, rents and inflation have climbed up to heaven, and wages are not really going anywhere. But they seem to only care about that stuff insofar as it is part of the conspiracy to make us eat bugs or whatever. Oh, did I say a lot of people seem to think Trump is OUR president now? Yeah, when Trump won, a lot of people on social media were celebrating and saying stuff like "haha, Trump will do x to you now that he won!", as if we are not separated from him by a massive ocean. It's like you guys are exporting qanon.

So yeah, I don't care about Trump. I care about this broader nascent fascist movement that's building up, because it seems to be incredibly effective at making otherwise perfectly normal people support things and believe things they never would think twice about a few years ago.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23530 on: November 13, 2024, 12:22:55 AM »
So yeah, I don't care about Trump. I care about this broader nascent fascist movement that's building up, because it seems to be incredibly effective at making otherwise perfectly normal people support things and believe things they never would think twice about a few years ago.

Agreed.

I have friends who are Trump supporters because they watch Sky News  ( Australia's version of Fox News ) they crap they come out with at times is just patently insane. 

We are all victims of the media environment in which we choose to live.   

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23531 on: November 13, 2024, 02:22:23 AM »

With Louisiana just failing to pass a law mandating the ten commandments be displayed in all classrooms, something that Texas, Oklahoma and Utah have all in recent times proposed similar rulings, and with the fact that much of Trumps base being Fundies, despite him breaking at least three of those commandments on a regular basis, is the spectre of the US turning into Gilead really just a lib’ meme anymore?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23532 on: November 13, 2024, 03:37:59 AM »
I suggest that the term donald trump in the topic title be corrected to Donald Trump. This disrespect towards our President must be corrected. If you look threads below in section, you can see that there was no such disrespect for other presidents.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23533 on: November 13, 2024, 03:41:55 AM »
The worse thing about this?

This thread will now be going on for ANOTHER 4 years. We are gonna see a thread active for more than a decade.  What the hell is wrong with the world?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23534 on: November 13, 2024, 04:01:35 AM »
The worse thing about this?

This thread will now be going on for ANOTHER 4 years. We are gonna see a thread active for more than a decade.  What the hell is wrong with the world?
Ending the transgender invasion. If there are people around us who take part in this project, I suggest they go out of the US now. They must either leave now, or they  will be tortured forever for the next 4 years.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23535 on: November 13, 2024, 05:36:25 AM »
The worse thing about this?

This thread will now be going on for ANOTHER 4 years. We are gonna see a thread active for more than a decade.  What the hell is wrong with the world?

If it's any consolation to you, a country that elects someone like Donald Trump deserves what they're going to get over the next 4 years.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23536 on: November 13, 2024, 05:57:30 AM »
By the way, for all the people trying to figure out why Trump won, look at Space Cowgirl! She used to vote democrats, right? And now she voted for Trump. Probably. Even if she didn't this time, it really doesn't matter. Why might have that happened? Well, she's now become kinda like a single issue voter. The single issue is trans, in case you haven't figured it out. Or at least, it's the pivot for everything else. A lot of the people who started voting for Trump are like that. Take a mostly immaterial issue, blow it up like it's the end of the world, get people to zero in on it, and if you do it well enough, you'll get people to ignore anything else, and support things they would normally never go for. The more isolated you are from the rest of society the better it works.

I did not vote for Trump or Harris. I said I wouldn't several times.

That you think the trans issue is immaterial, and that many people on the left pretend it's a nothing burger, is going to cause your side to lose more and more. People don't like being lied to. People don't like it when you lie, and then pretend it's the other side who blew it up like it's the end of the world. The Biden administration declared that trans was the most important civil rights issue of our times. Walz signed a "trans refuge" law that would allow children from another state to be removed from their parents if they don't affirm their gender identity https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/2023/0/Session+Law/Chapter/29/  Harris declared that trans affirming care and surgeries will be provided to incarcerated people. If this is such a non-issue the left sure did treat it like it's the most important thing in the world. Talk about being isolated! You live in an information bubble. The people you disagree with aren't isolated from the rest of society, this is a ridiculous concept, especially in the US. Do you think they're all living like the Amish? lol

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It's not like democrats don't also push the conversation to largely immaterial issues. They don't want to talk about the other stuff either. They serve almost the same interests. Almost, because there are some small differences. Democrats for the most part have finance capital, entertainment and tech companies with them, republicans have the domestic industry and agriculture. Which is why you get stuff like republicans wanting tariffs and democrats rejecting them. But that's stuff that most normal people don't care that much about because it doesn't interest them much. Healthcare for example does interest people, but if you rot their brains enough with hyper-fixating on culture war shit, then they forget all about it.

Again, the left hyper-fixated on culture war shit from day 1 of Biden's term. He immediately signed executive orders regarding trans shit, and racial equity. Not equality, which people generally understand and agree with, but equity. I don't even know what equity means in the real world. The entire left leaning govt apparatus has been consumed by postmodernist language.

I agree that both parties serve the same interests. It's always money and power.

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Who won is not concerning me (beyond the Gaza issue) as much as the way the playbook worked, and the utterly insane stuff I keep seeing people say and actually believe. It's also concerning that I see the same concepts being transferred verbatim here as well. We already have a government that was elected on a conservative and anti-immigrant platform and they already largely pulled that shit off to get elected, but even then far right movements are gaining hold which are using the same things against THEM. It pushes the conversation to absurd places. Grandpas who own farms are voting far right parties to stop the "hordes of illegal immigrants" ruining the country. Meanwhile they live in towns that are maybe 1% immigrants, and that 1% is the people who they hired to work in their farms. Boomers think we are currently in war with Turkey and are concerned about NWO forcing us to eat insects and 3d printed meat, and kids are watching Andrew Tate clones and give money to creeps calling themselves life coaches who show you how to do pullups, make money, get women, be a Christian, and most of all be a real certified alpha dude bro, because that's what you are threatened by, betas and the gays. Meanwhile purchasing power has fallen to shit, rents and inflation have climbed up to heaven, and wages are not really going anywhere. But they seem to only care about that stuff insofar as it is part of the conspiracy to make us eat bugs or whatever. Oh, did I say a lot of people seem to think Trump is OUR president now? Yeah, when Trump won, a lot of people on social media were celebrating and saying stuff like "haha, Trump will do x to you now that he won!", as if we are not separated from him by a massive ocean. It's like you guys are exporting qanon.


Well, I think it is funny and sad at the same time. The answer to the crazies should just be the truth. Allow people to have debates, counter their arguments with facts, explain your own opinions as best you can.

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So yeah, I don't care about Trump. I care about this broader nascent fascist movement that's building up, because it seems to be incredibly effective at making otherwise perfectly normal people support things and believe things they never would think twice about a few years ago.

One of the reasons people are giving the left the middle finger is that they are being called fascists for having different opinions. They kind of water down the meaning of fascist if everyone they don't like is literally Hitler.

For example - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/11/12/opinion/seth-moulton-transgender-athletes/  "likened to Nazi collaborator"

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23537 on: November 13, 2024, 06:03:32 AM »
By the way, for all the people trying to figure out why Trump won, look at Space Cowgirl! She used to vote democrats, right? And now she voted for Trump. Probably. Even if she didn't this time, it really doesn't matter. Why might have that happened? Well, she's now become kinda like a single issue voter. The single issue is trans, in case you haven't figured it out. Or at least, it's the pivot for everything else. A lot of the people who started voting for Trump are like that. Take a mostly immaterial issue, blow it up like it's the end of the world, get people to zero in on it, and if you do it well enough, you'll get people to ignore anything else, and support things they would normally never go for. The more isolated you are from the rest of society the better it works.

It's not like democrats don't also push the conversation to largely immaterial issues. They don't want to talk about the other stuff either. They serve almost the same interests. Almost, because there are some small differences. Democrats for the most part have finance capital, entertainment and tech companies with them, republicans have the domestic industry and agriculture. Which is why you get stuff like republicans wanting tariffs and democrats rejecting them. But that's stuff that most normal people don't care that much about because it doesn't interest them much. Healthcare for example does interest people, but if you rot their brains enough with hyper-fixating on culture war shit, then they forget all about it.

Who won is not concerning me (beyond the Gaza issue) as much as the way the playbook worked, and the utterly insane stuff I keep seeing people say and actually believe. It's also concerning that I see the same concepts being transferred verbatim here as well. We already have a government that was elected on a conservative and anti-immigrant platform and they already largely pulled that shit off to get elected, but even then far right movements are gaining hold which are using the same things against THEM. It pushes the conversation to absurd places. Grandpas who own farms are voting far right parties to stop the "hordes of illegal immigrants" ruining the country. Meanwhile they live in towns that are maybe 1% immigrants, and that 1% is the people who they hired to work in their farms. Boomers think we are currently in war with Turkey and are concerned about NWO forcing us to eat insects and 3d printed meat, and kids are watching Andrew Tate clones and give money to creeps calling themselves life coaches who show you how to do pullups, make money, get women, be a Christian, and most of all be a real certified alpha dude bro, because that's what you are threatened by, betas and the gays. Meanwhile purchasing power has fallen to shit, rents and inflation have climbed up to heaven, and wages are not really going anywhere. But they seem to only care about that stuff insofar as it is part of the conspiracy to make us eat bugs or whatever. Oh, did I say a lot of people seem to think Trump is OUR president now? Yeah, when Trump won, a lot of people on social media were celebrating and saying stuff like "haha, Trump will do x to you now that he won!", as if we are not separated from him by a massive ocean. It's like you guys are exporting qanon.

So yeah, I don't care about Trump. I care about this broader nascent fascist movement that's building up, because it seems to be incredibly effective at making otherwise perfectly normal people support things and believe things they never would think twice about a few years ago.

Some of these points are accurate.  Some aren't.

As far as I can tell so far our electorate is politically illiterate and votes against the party in control if something really bad happened during the last 4 years.  These last 4 years it was inflation so they voted out Biden/Harris(to illustrate how politically illiterate we are, "did biden drop out" was the top google search the last week of the election).  The previous 4 years it was Covid so they voted out Trump.

A lot of people like to think it's their pet issue that won or lost an election.  But most people aren't even aware of their pet issue and don't care about it as much as they think they do.  Gaza, for example, a lot of people thought democrats lost because of support of Israel.  But a lot of people thought they didn't suppress pro Palestinian college protesters nearly enough.

I don't know how much of the blame falls on us for the rise of fascism across the world.  Other countries have been doing batshit crazy things without us having much to do with it.  I think we've lived within the system of liberal democracy for so long that we've forgotten it's there.  We blame our problems on it.  We've forgotten why it was built in the first place and so we want to tear it down to fix our problems without realizing what happens next.

It's like growing up on a space ship and forgetting that you're in space.  Then the space ship starts to break down.  So we want to destroy the space ship to get rid of the problems.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23538 on: November 13, 2024, 06:30:37 AM »
The progessive vote is sjw cancel culture and votes/ abstains out of spite.
They are morons who are alloenothing mentality.

Sad-clown hilliarously the same but opposite starl contrast the magahats who fall in line but are single issue voters who dont realize the conflict of interest/ contradictory policy...

Morons.
So dems lose are -5% of their moron vote.
And repubs are +5% for their odoylerulesmaga4life votes.



Also

Dnc doesnt deaerve to win.
As pointed outby Space, they are do-nothing, virute signalling aasholes who bow to big corp.




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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23539 on: November 13, 2024, 06:45:39 AM »
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/11/12/congress/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-trump-00189209

The Department of Government Efficiency.  Get it!  DOGE!  Also. 69! 420!

As far as I can tell this is a committee which puts together the two most obnoxious members of Trump's campaign to create a report on how to save 2 trillion in government spending and the report is due in 2026.

This might not be exactly what Elon thought it would be.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23540 on: November 13, 2024, 07:35:13 AM »
A joke they have here is that America solves its problems by blowing them up.  So your analogy is spot on there.


Also, 2 trillion?  Pfft.  I can do that now.

Split the US into two.  The thirteen colonies will be the United States of America.  The rest can do whatever they want.

Done. Trillions saved.  Government shrank.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23541 on: November 13, 2024, 08:11:20 AM »
I think at least 3 of the thirteen colonies would object and choose to be part of the rest.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23543 on: November 13, 2024, 09:35:06 AM »
As far as I can tell this is a committee which puts together the two most obnoxious members of Trump's campaign to create a report on how to save 2 trillion in government spending and the report is due in 2026.

The government efficiency department has two bosses.  As ever, this is beyond satire.

The fact is they will look at federal spending and see that about 90% is politically untouchable - it is medicare, pensions, military etc.

Ironically the department itself looks like busy work.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23544 on: November 13, 2024, 10:42:01 AM »
untouchable?

ooooh rick scott is pushing his way into senate leader spot.

he real eager to cut cut cut

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23545 on: November 13, 2024, 10:58:50 AM »
Negative.  John Thune, an indoor republican, has been elected as the senate majority leader.

Musk and Trump were pushing for Scott.  But the vote was by secret ballot.

It's interesting.  Apparently there are a lot of rinos left in the senate that must be purged by Trump's secret police for their thought crimes.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23546 on: November 13, 2024, 11:26:26 AM »

One of the reasons people are giving the left the middle finger is that they are being called fascists for having different opinions. They kind of water down the meaning of fascist if everyone they don't like is literally Hitler.

For example - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/11/12/opinion/seth-moulton-transgender-athletes/  "likened to Nazi collaborator"

See, you just cannot stop talking about trans people. Also, I did not say democrats didn't talk about trans issues, I said this whole deal is largely immaterial. Finally, I didn't say people live like the amish. I'm saying lots and lots of people have a small and closed social circle, are retired or not in much contact with coworkers, and mostly interact with the rest of society via the internet. Then they get into online bubble chambers and that's it.

Finally, I've seen a lot more people doing the opposite of what you're saying, refusing to call clearly fascist ideas and people what they are. I'm not calling just anything fascist, I'm calling this movement I'm talking about fascist, because it shares way too many characteristics with historical fascist movements to ignore. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23547 on: November 13, 2024, 11:30:48 AM »
Some of these points are accurate.  Some aren't.

As far as I can tell so far our electorate is politically illiterate and votes against the party in control if something really bad happened during the last 4 years.  These last 4 years it was inflation so they voted out Biden/Harris(to illustrate how politically illiterate we are, "did biden drop out" was the top google search the last week of the election).  The previous 4 years it was Covid so they voted out Trump.
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I agree with that.

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A lot of people like to think it's their pet issue that won or lost an election.  But most people aren't even aware of their pet issue and don't care about it as much as they think they do.  Gaza, for example, a lot of people thought democrats lost because of support of Israel.  But a lot of people thought they didn't suppress pro Palestinian college protesters nearly enough.[\quote]

I also agree with that, I don't think Gaza played a significant role. Maybe it cost the Dems some points, but I think they would have lost regardless.

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I don't know how much of the blame falls on us for the rise of fascism across the world.  Other countries have been doing batshit crazy things without us having much to do with it. 
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Right, and I don't think the US is specifically to blame. The situation here for instance has its own causes. But the form is very much exported from the US and the trumpers. So much so that all these people will specifically talk about Trump to you as if Trump is their president, nevermind that the Atlantic is between him and them.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23548 on: November 13, 2024, 11:51:22 AM »

One of the reasons people are giving the left the middle finger is that they are being called fascists for having different opinions. They kind of water down the meaning of fascist if everyone they don't like is literally Hitler.

For example - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/11/12/opinion/seth-moulton-transgender-athletes/  "likened to Nazi collaborator"

See, you just cannot stop talking about trans people. Also, I did not say democrats didn't talk about trans issues, I said this whole deal is largely immaterial. Finally, I didn't say people live like the amish. I'm saying lots and lots of people have a small and closed social circle, are retired or not in much contact with coworkers, and mostly interact with the rest of society via the internet. Then they get into online bubble chambers and that's it.

Finally, I've seen a lot more people doing the opposite of what you're saying, refusing to call clearly fascist ideas and people what they are. I'm not calling just anything fascist, I'm calling this movement I'm talking about fascist, because it shares way too many characteristics with historical fascist movements to ignore.

OMG pls stop talking about trans people in your reply to my post about how you voted for Trump because of the trans! My entire post was trying to explain to you that this is not "largely immaterial" and then providing evidence that it has been a very material part of the Democratic party platform. You are not one to talk about online bubble chambers when you won't even consider the materialness of this issue.

Who are the literally Hitlers you are calling fascists? Is it all Republicans? Conservatives in every country? Just MAGA? I never see anyone on the left hesitate to compare someone to Hitler. There's a reason it's a meme!


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MAGA are flipping out about Thune. I will never ever understand why these people like Rick Scott. He is a sneaky snake. Now this kind of behavior is one of the reasons I did not vote for Trump. I do not like the cultish mentality. Trump (or any president) should be able to withstand pushback on ideas from their own side. They should not have loyalists in every position of power. They should be able to defend the things they want to do, and not expect every man to be a yes man.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23549 on: November 13, 2024, 12:39:57 PM »

One of the reasons people are giving the left the middle finger is that they are being called fascists for having different opinions. They kind of water down the meaning of fascist if everyone they don't like is literally Hitler.

For example - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/11/12/opinion/seth-moulton-transgender-athletes/  "likened to Nazi collaborator"


See, you just cannot stop talking about trans people. Also, I did not say democrats didn't talk about trans issues, I said this whole deal is largely immaterial. Finally, I didn't say people live like the amish. I'm saying lots and lots of people have a small and closed social circle, are retired or not in much contact with coworkers, and mostly interact with the rest of society via the internet. Then they get into online bubble chambers and that's it.

Finally, I've seen a lot more people doing the opposite of what you're saying, refusing to call clearly fascist ideas and people what they are. I'm not calling just anything fascist, I'm calling this movement I'm talking about fascist, because it shares way too many characteristics with historical fascist movements to ignore.

OMG pls stop talking about trans people in your reply to my post about how you voted for Trump because of the trans! My entire post was trying to explain to you that this is not "largely immaterial" and then providing evidence that it has been a very material part of the Democratic party platform. You are not one to talk about online bubble chambers when you won't even consider the materialness of this issue.


First of all, the part of my post you were replying to in what I quoted had nothing whatsoever to do with trans people, or your opinion on trans people. Nothing. But you posted a link to something trans related because you just can't stop. It's not just this post, I've observed it across many posts. No wonder, since apparently that's what everyone you read and follow talks about.

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Who are the literally Hitlers you are calling fascists? Is it all Republicans? Conservatives in every country? Just MAGA? I never see anyone on the left hesitate to compare someone to Hitler. There's a reason it's a meme! [\quote]

That's ridiculous. You don't even have to call someone a fascist for them to decide you called them a fascist at this point, preemptively. Just a random example from today, I opened up Facebook, and I saw this article talking about Ezra Pound, which brought up him being a fascist in the title. Wouldn't you know it, a tens of boomers in the comments were losing their shit about how "you call everyone a fascist these days, you want to cancel everyone" etc. Apparently Ezra Pound, the Mussolini mouth piece during WWII in the most literal way possible, is not a fascist. Obviously they didn't know who he was, or all the rest of that stuff. Why did they fall over themselves to say he wasn't a fascist then? I don't have statistics, but I bet if you searched through social media, the majority of the uses of "fascist" would be people saying they are not fascists out of the blue when no one called them that, or people saying "the left are the real fascists" or a variation of that.

The whole concept that everyone on the "left" (and I hate to use this word in this discussion when it's clear you're all mostly talking about democrats) is calling everyone a fascist is mostly manufactured by far-righters who want to normalize their opinions.

I almost never call anyone a fascist. That doesn't stop folks from telling me to stop calling them fascists, when I'm not. But when I see a movement building up, championed by the middle classes (particularly small business owners, self employed, land owning farmers etc) that channels widespread frustration into traditionalist, nationalist and sometimes hypermasculine ideology, bemoans the "degenerate" elements of society, professes anti-establishment credentials while being in full alliance with a lot of the most powerful classes in society, leans heavily into conspiracies and anti-intellectualism, and erupts every now and then into violence and pogroms, then I'm sorry but I'm gonna have to use the f word.
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