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Why do you support Donald Trump?

I don't want mexicans to come
22 (26.5%)
I want him to fight terrorism
12 (14.5%)
Free trade is bad
6 (7.2%)
He is the wild card we need
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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20250 on: February 17, 2021, 04:07:58 AM »
trump is so full of shit. He didn't produce the jobs, he rode that success of the back of the previous government. His response to covid and the damage America suffered was the worst in the world. The America economy is trashed because of his inept leadership and spreading of misinformation and lies.

It's shame so many people in America are stupid and will suck up his words as if it's the truth. As much as they wanted to 'drain the swamp' it is the American public who enable these swamp monsters to frig them over in the first place. Trump has set a new standard of acceptance. Expect the likes of Ted Cruz to channel his 'inner Trump' when he makes a ploy for president later. If you watch his rallies, they will be filled with the same toxic BS that made Trump popular - because somehow it works

I cant imagine a politician speaking like that in Australia and having a job the next day. I don't know why you Americans stand for that in your leaders. It's disgraceful
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20251 on: February 17, 2021, 04:35:50 AM »
Austalia has its own oan version.
Although theyre on the opposite side of the globe, some love trump.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20252 on: February 17, 2021, 06:20:04 AM »
So Mitch votes to acquit, then comes out with a speech basically laying out why he shouldn't have voted to acquit.
Actually, Mitch was explaining why it wasn't the Senate's job to convict Trump now that he's out of office.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20253 on: February 17, 2021, 06:57:04 AM »
Trump did contribute to job growth during his presidency, you don't pump trillions of dollars into the economy without boosting it in some form.  However, his contribution was the equivalent of a sugar high, a short term boost that could only be continued with more and more debt fueled stimulus.

It's also rich he warns that taxes will go up, when he and the Senate Republicans are to blame for taxes going up because of the absurd way they passed the tax cuts, which aren't permanent for people but are for corporations.

One thing is clear, the Republican party is still the party of Trump, there was a recent poll where 80%+ of Republican voters would support him running in '24.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20254 on: February 17, 2021, 01:00:36 PM »
So Mitch votes to acquit, then comes out with a speech basically laying out why he shouldn't have voted to acquit.
Actually, Mitch was explaining why it wasn't the Senate's job to convict Trump now that he's out of office.

I get that. That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. But the bottom line, if the sole sticking point is, "Can a President (in this case) be tried and convicted post holding office?" and one sides with the idea that , "No, s/he cannot," then yeah, no matter what criminal act the now ex-President committed whilst being President is not for the Senate to try and convict on.

But if you remove that one sticking point, a constitutional conundrum, and side with, "Yes, the Senate can try and convict an ex-President for deeds committed during his/her presidency", Mitch does comes right out and implicate DJT. (Though a second sticking point he remarks on is the strict definition of "incitement", as almost, "If you don't agree with my constitutional interpretation, then, well, "incitement" was probably too high of a bar to surmount anyway".)

He opens and immediately condemns with this:

"Let me just put that aside for a moment and reiterate something I said weeks ago. Thereís no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day. No question about it.

The president did not act swiftly. He did not do his job. He didnít take steps so federal law could be faithfully executed and order restored. No, instead, according to public reports, he watched television happily as the chaos unfolded. He kept pressing his scheme to overturn the election.

This was an intensifying crescendo of conspiracy theories orchestrated by an outgoing president who seemed determined to either overturn the voterís decision or else torch our institutions on the way out. The unconscionable behavior did not end when the violence actually began."

There's your case right there. Done. But again, the constitutional sticking point comes into play:

"But in this case, the question is moot because former President Trump is constitutionally not eligible for conviction...the Senateís sole power to try all impeachments, would create an unlimited circular logic empowering Congress to ban any private citizen from federal office."

And closes with: "The Senateís decision today does not condone anything that happened on or before that terrible day. It simply shows that senators did what the former president failed to do. We put our constitutional duty first."

So yeah, I get it. But damn, had it not been for, in a way, almost a legal technicality, Mitch would have to of voted for conviction. And I wonder if that's what he was getting at.

I also wonder, going forward, if a President shoots someone in the face on 5th avenue near the end of their term, all timing & partisan circumstances being the same as today, would the Senate constitutionally allow for a high crimes impeachment conviction if the trial occurred after the term ended? Or, as Mitch stated, would they still skip it and let the criminal/civil court system handle it? Is there a line there; 100% overtly, unquestionably guilty versus the definition of a word, like "incitement"?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20255 on: February 17, 2021, 01:46:25 PM »
So Mitch votes to acquit, then comes out with a speech basically laying out why he shouldn't have voted to acquit.
Actually, Mitch was explaining why it wasn't the Senate's job to convict Trump now that he's out of office.

I get that. That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. But the bottom line, if the sole sticking point is, "Can a President (in this case) be tried and convicted post holding office?" and one sides with the idea that , "No, s/he cannot," then yeah, no matter what criminal act the now ex-President committed whilst being President is not for the Senate to try and convict on.
I think that it's important to remember is that impeachment is more of a political procedure than a judicial one, so it's going to come with its own political baggage.  Basically, Mitch is passing buck when he says that Trump is still subject to prosecution for any crimes committed while in office.  It's not as if Trump could have been sent to jail if the Senate had decided to convict anyway, so maybe it's just as well that there are a number of criminal investigations that will be ramping up before too long.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20256 on: February 17, 2021, 02:08:49 PM »
So Mitch votes to acquit, then comes out with a speech basically laying out why he shouldn't have voted to acquit.
Actually, Mitch was explaining why it wasn't the Senate's job to convict Trump now that he's out of office.

I get that. That was a bit of hyperbole on my part. But the bottom line, if the sole sticking point is, "Can a President (in this case) be tried and convicted post holding office?" and one sides with the idea that , "No, s/he cannot," then yeah, no matter what criminal act the now ex-President committed whilst being President is not for the Senate to try and convict on.
I think that it's important to remember is that impeachment is more of a political procedure than a judicial one, so it's going to come with its own political baggage.  Basically, Mitch is passing buck when he says that Trump is still subject to prosecution for any crimes committed while in office.  It's not as if Trump could have been sent to jail if the Senate had decided to convict anyway, so maybe it's just as well that there are a number of criminal investigations that will be ramping up before too long.

Yes, it's a political procedure. And penalties if convicted would be political ones as well, perhaps including being barred from seeking a political office again. Which would have been my preference because even if convicted on a felony charge in a judicial case, he can still run for office. Considering the cult of personality and its hold on his followers, he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue, be convicted, and they would still vote for him. But I guess, at the end of the day, that would amount to the people's will.

It will be interesting to see how private sector judicial cases will be carried out.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20257 on: February 17, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
McConnell would never have voted to convict Trump.  Had the constitutional argument not been there for him, he would have found another way to perform mental gymnastics to not convict Trump, such as the argument that his actions were abhorrent and partially responsible, but didn't meet the standard for incitement of violence.  McConnell knows who butters his bread, he is already walking a thin line with his constituents, to vote to convict Trump would be the definitive end of his political career.

Regardless, McConnell's argument has some merit, but also is lacking.  It makes sense that if someone cannot be removed from office, impeachment is not the process to use.  However, the repercussions of conviction in impeachment is twofold, removal from office and a vote to bar from future political office.  You can't do the first, but you sure has hell can do the second.

At the end of the day, Trump is the face of the GOP for the time being.  He has the ability to make or break someone's career, and he is one of the pettiest people in politics, so that is dangerous.  The GOP had there chance to cut this cancerous growth out but instead opted to try the "wait and see" method.  My gut tells me this will end up hurting them in the long run, but there are a significant number of people who wanted Trump out of politics on January 7th but now would vote for him again, so I'm not confident the GOP will face any significant repercussions at the ballot box.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20258 on: February 22, 2021, 12:42:07 PM »
Donald Trump's tax returns can be turned over to New York prosecutors, US Supreme Court rules
https://abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/supreme-court-hits-donald-trump-with-tax-blow/13181816

Nice to know that despite his efforts to stack the court, he still loses.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20259 on: February 23, 2021, 05:27:31 AM »
Donald Trump's tax returns can be turned over to New York prosecutors, US Supreme Court rules
https://abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/supreme-court-hits-donald-trump-with-tax-blow/13181816

Nice to know that despite his efforts to stack the court, he still loses.

I wonder what the Trump groupies are going to think when it's revealed that Trump ( aka GEOTUS ) is a money laundering tax cheat who is going to rot in jail.

Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20260 on: February 23, 2021, 05:33:56 AM »
Donald Trump's tax returns can be turned over to New York prosecutors, US Supreme Court rules
https://abc.net.au/news/2021-02-23/supreme-court-hits-donald-trump-with-tax-blow/13181816

Nice to know that despite his efforts to stack the court, he still loses.

I wonder what the Trump groupies are going to think when it's revealed that Trump ( aka GEOTUS ) is a money laundering tax cheat who is going to rot in jail.

I'm sure they will have no problem with his crime. They will have a problem with him facing the prospect of him having to do the time though.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20261 on: February 23, 2021, 05:43:22 AM »
The ones who believe Jesus sent him to be president have already forgiven him.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20262 on: February 23, 2021, 06:08:10 AM »
Trump didnt do anything wrong. Its just the librel media making it look like he did!!!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20263 on: February 25, 2021, 08:35:55 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-tax-returns-manhattan-district-attorney/2021/02/25/be61b6b4-7779-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html

Well there it.  A district attorney in a state that already hates Trump with the power to throw him in prison now has his financial life story.  It'll be interesting to see what happens.  If charges aren't brought against him then I'll probably have to assume that he isn't as criminal as he's been made out to be.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20264 on: February 25, 2021, 10:18:37 PM »
In other news..  here is a reminder who made the FBI wanted list for interferring in the 2016 elections....  I see Prigozhin made the list. 

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/2016-election-interference


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20265 on: February 26, 2021, 01:51:17 AM »
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/mitch-mcconnell-says-he-would-absolutely-support-donald-trump-running-for-president-again/news-story/83cdd19f64d560f7096a97d0e6540e28

Mitch McConnell 'would absolutely' support Trump for a 2024 election lol

So does the entire repugnican party have Stockholm syndrome or are they really just crazy
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20266 on: February 26, 2021, 03:35:19 AM »
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/mitch-mcconnell-says-he-would-absolutely-support-donald-trump-running-for-president-again/news-story/83cdd19f64d560f7096a97d0e6540e28

Mitch McConnell 'would absolutely' support Trump for a 2024 election lol

So does the entire repugnican party have Stockholm syndrome or are they really just crazy

Nah.
He saw his poll numbers.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20267 on: February 26, 2021, 05:40:11 AM »
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/mitch-mcconnell-says-he-would-absolutely-support-donald-trump-running-for-president-again/news-story/83cdd19f64d560f7096a97d0e6540e28

Mitch McConnell 'would absolutely' support Trump for a 2024 election lol

So does the entire repugnican party have Stockholm syndrome or are they really just crazy

I'm beginning to believe it's the latter. I couldn't be paid enough to vote for Trump again.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20268 on: February 26, 2021, 07:58:45 AM »
In some ways politicians are like corporations.  They're these entities that exist under bizarre rules that lead to perverse incentives.  But it does make them sort of easy to understand.

Politicians only need to ask themselves one thing when they make a decision, will this get me more votes or less votes?  That's it.  These other ideas like constitutionality or the rules of law or not getting murdered by a mob, they might be nice but they really don't have anything to do with getting more votes.  So a successful politician must put away his ego and go where the votes are.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20269 on: February 26, 2021, 09:06:42 AM »
In some ways politicians are like corporations.  They're these entities that exist under bizarre rules that lead to perverse incentives.  But it does make them sort of easy to understand.

Politicians only need to ask themselves one thing when they make a decision, will this get me more votes or less votes?  That's it.  These other ideas like constitutionality or the rules of law or not getting murdered by a mob, they might be nice but they really don't have anything to do with getting more votes.  So a successful politician must put away his ego and go where the votes are.
Being dead means you get less votes, so thats an issue.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20270 on: February 26, 2021, 10:09:08 AM »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20271 on: February 26, 2021, 04:12:07 PM »
Seen at CPAC...   Why is he wearing thongs?  ( that's flip flops to you yankee heathens )



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20272 on: February 26, 2021, 05:52:02 PM »
Flip flops are the shoes of champions.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20273 on: February 26, 2021, 06:28:58 PM »
Seen at CPAC...   Why is he wearing thongs?
Sorry, but that's just creepy.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20274 on: February 26, 2021, 06:33:19 PM »
Seen at CPAC...   Why is he wearing thongs?
Sorry, but that's just creepy.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20275 on: February 27, 2021, 12:22:52 AM »
Seen at CPAC...   Why is he wearing thongs?  ( that's flip flops to you yankee heathens )



Its what the leader would like.  And you always make the leader happy.

Also: Look ahead by staying in the past. *Nods*
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20276 on: February 27, 2021, 05:04:17 AM »
Haha

Conserve-ative.

Buncha morons.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20277 on: February 27, 2021, 08:22:33 AM »
Seen at CPAC...   Why is he wearing thongs?  ( that's flip flops to you yankee heathens )
What else are you supposed to wear with baggy shorts? ???
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20278 on: February 27, 2021, 09:08:34 AM »
I'm amazed at the fact that, just this morning, I clicked on the news, switched to FOX on a whim, and nearly every other phrase was "President Trump."

Sorry, but he ain't President anymore. And he's basically now a private citizen deep in legal doo-doo.

And they really, really lingered on Hawley. Man, that traitor? Really?

And they accused Biden of his partisan policies. Passing relief for everyday, struggling Americans that Republicans don't want and won't cooperate on is... partisan? Really?

And they further accused Biden of hating America and wanting to ruin the economy by backing a raise in minimum wage to $15/hour. So lemme get this straight, FOX -- finally adjusting minimum wage for inflation and making it a lil' more livable is hating America and ruining the economy? Really?

For shame, FOX. For shame.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20279 on: February 27, 2021, 09:30:12 AM »
In their defense I think it's normal to refer to a former president, vice president this way.  Maybe adding former gets too cumbersome.
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