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Why do you support Donald Trump?

I don't want mexicans to come
22 (26.8%)
I want him to fight terrorism
12 (14.6%)
Free trade is bad
6 (7.3%)
He is the wild card we need
42 (51.2%)

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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19710 on: November 16, 2020, 07:10:03 AM »

 I must return with an honest answer of they accomplished nothing when they held all 3 offices and that's simply embarrassing.

Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19711 on: November 16, 2020, 09:23:11 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times due to COVID.

Oh, and I appreciate the federal government butting out for the most part and encouraging businesses and schools to reopen as is possible and safe instead of insisting they shut down across the board. Y'know, I actually want to still have an economy.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19712 on: November 16, 2020, 09:46:49 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times due to COVID.
While True, it did so by kicking the can down the road.  The first tax break just ballooned the deficit.  The second isn't even a real one, it was a payday loan: No payments til April.  Then you owe it all.

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Oh, and I appreciate the federal government butting out for the most part and encouraging businesses and schools to reopen as is possible and safe instead of insisting they shut down across the board. Y'know, I actually want to still have an economy.

I think the issue is that they didn't encourage it safely nor provide aid to do so.  I worked at a school for many years.  I know how it feels to have 500 students in a hallway (over a period of 3 minutes).  I know what budget cuts look like.  Highschool probably would have been fine but 30 7 year olds?  Not a chance.

Look, the issue isn't that they want to shut down.  The issue is that people didn't actually do it.  Shut down for a month and you'd have it under control.  But between protestors, people who hate masks, people who travel anywayz etc... It didn't do a damn thing. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19713 on: November 16, 2020, 09:49:40 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times.

The thing about the tax cuts is that the cuts for the corporations are permanent.  The cuts for individuals are temporarily.  They phase out slowly until 2025.  For some reason this caveat is never talked about.  So this is mostly corporate welfare.

So what did the corporations do with the money?  Well they upgraded equipment, made some new hires, bonuses etc.  But 80% of it went to stock buybacks.  You might have noticed the stock market rising to levels that don't exactly make sense.  This is one of the reasons why.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/7-charts-showing-trump-tax-cuts-not-economic-rocket-fuel-2019-12-1028780773

As Senator King predicted during the debate on this, our debt is going through the roof and the rich just hoarded the money. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19714 on: November 16, 2020, 09:55:31 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can
Literally any idiot can make a tax cut though.  He famously didn't even read the Act  - it was ready to go and he just signed it.   Making a tax cut and balancing the books is the tricky bit - which he didn't do.

If you think you can spend money better than the government, then I'm not sure you should be voting for Trump - he increased Federal spending by $800B.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19715 on: November 16, 2020, 10:01:54 AM »
But 80% of it went to stock buybacks.  You might have noticed the stock market rising to levels that don't exactly make sense.  This is one of the reasons why.

Ye Olde Trickle Down Economics...Or Voodoo Economics. I can't believe people fell for it again after it was proven worthless back in the Reagan 80's. The intent: Massive corporate tax breaks lead to corporations pouring tons of money into infrastructure expansion, more jobs, the 'all boats rise' gambit. And as you said and like in the 80's, the corporate elites just lined their pockets instead. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19716 on: November 16, 2020, 10:10:58 AM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19717 on: November 16, 2020, 10:18:23 AM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!

Anyways, I'm less inclined to blame corporations and more inclined to blame the public. Corporations don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They're propped up on your wallet.

So vote with your wallet. There are certain grocery stories I generally won't shop at and certain grocery stores I prefer to shop at because I like how those chains partner with brands that support fair-trade, or I like how those chains clearly value their employees more, and things like that.

The problem is that people want the cheapest, easiest, and quickest route -- they hardly care, if at all, about the rest. But that isn't the fault of corporations, i.e. organizations whose goal is maximum profit. They're just going with the flow and maximizing their profits per the public's expressed interests.

It's why Starbucks is moving away from using plastic straws, which seems like an environmentally-conscious move but really isn't: A sufficient amount of customers complained about it and were upset about it that the company decided it'd be in their best interest to move away from using them. There we can see a corporation going with the flow and responding to the expressed interests of the public in order to maximize profits.

So long as people don't care, things mostly ain't gonna change.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19718 on: November 16, 2020, 10:40:27 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times due to COVID.

Oh, and I appreciate the federal government butting out for the most part and encouraging businesses and schools to reopen as is possible and safe instead of insisting they shut down across the board. Y'know, I actually want to still have an economy.

If the tax cuts put money back in most peoples pockets, Democrats would have been happy to vote for it.

But all it did was put more money into the offshore bank accounts of the super rich, which helps only them and hurts the rest of the country.

So big fail on their only accomplishment.  They could have done ANYTHING they wanted with taxes, and they decided to make the rich even richer and screw everyone else.  F*** those *******.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19719 on: November 16, 2020, 10:47:06 AM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!

Anyways, I'm less inclined to blame corporations and more inclined to blame the public. Corporations don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They're propped up on your wallet.

So vote with your wallet. There are certain grocery stories I generally won't shop at and certain grocery stores I prefer to shop at because I like how those chains partner with brands that support fair-trade, or I like how those chains clearly value their employees more, and things like that.

The problem is that people want the cheapest, easiest, and quickest route -- they hardly care, if at all, about the rest. But that isn't the fault of corporations, i.e. organizations whose goal is maximum profit. They're just going with the flow and maximizing their profits per the public's expressed interests.

It's why Starbucks is moving away from using plastic straws, which seems like an environmentally-conscious move but really isn't: A sufficient amount of customers complained about it and were upset about it that the company decided it'd be in their best interest to move away from using them. There we can see a corporation going with the flow and responding to the expressed interests of the public in order to maximize profits.

So long as people don't care, things mostly ain't gonna change.

That only really works for consumer goods and services though.  You can choose which product to buy, but you donít get a say in who their suppliers are, what equipment the company uses to manufacture it, what vehicles they transport it in, where they buy their computers or office furniture from, etc, etc, etc.

Also people on very tight budgets donít always have much choice other than buying the cheapest available option.  So they buy stuff from companies who pay shit wages to their employees who in turn can only afford to buy stuff from companies who pay shit wages. 


Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19720 on: November 16, 2020, 10:53:21 AM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!

Anyways, I'm less inclined to blame corporations and more inclined to blame the public. Corporations don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They're propped up on your wallet.

So vote with your wallet. There are certain grocery stories I generally won't shop at and certain grocery stores I prefer to shop at because I like how those chains partner with brands that support fair-trade, or I like how those chains clearly value their employees more, and things like that.

The problem is that people want the cheapest, easiest, and quickest route -- they hardly care, if at all, about the rest. But that isn't the fault of corporations, i.e. organizations whose goal is maximum profit. They're just going with the flow and maximizing their profits per the public's expressed interests.

It's why Starbucks is moving away from using plastic straws, which seems like an environmentally-conscious move but really isn't: A sufficient amount of customers complained about it and were upset about it that the company decided it'd be in their best interest to move away from using them. There we can see a corporation going with the flow and responding to the expressed interests of the public in order to maximize profits.

So long as people don't care, things mostly ain't gonna change.

Exactly
These big corp lobby to govt to maintain their monopolies

So incorrect
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The only way is for progressives to stop voting for the center-left and actually votr progressive left.
The line needs to move.
Look at trump.
He is off the cliff bat shit out of his mind right.
Now the line is shifted and center-right biden now appears to be a progressive left.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19721 on: November 16, 2020, 10:54:28 AM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times due to COVID.

Oh, and I appreciate the federal government butting out for the most part and encouraging businesses and schools to reopen as is possible and safe instead of insisting they shut down across the board. Y'know, I actually want to still have an economy.

If the tax cuts put money back in most peoples pockets, Democrats would have been happy to vote for it.

But all it did was put more money into the offshore bank accounts of the super rich, which helps only them and hurts the rest of the country.

So big fail on their only accomplishment.  They could have done ANYTHING they wanted with taxes, and they decided to make the rich even richer and screw everyone else.  F*** those *******.

The company I worked for was actually quite responsible with it and gave half (I think) to employees.

Small problem with that for MAGA fans is that itís a global company and they split the loot between everyone worldwide. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19722 on: November 16, 2020, 11:02:16 AM »
The company I worked for was actually quite responsible with it and gave half (I think) to employees.

Small problem with that for MAGA fans is that itís a global company and they split the loot between everyone worldwide.

I've got no problem with a successful company that clearly values their employees and invests back into them.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19723 on: November 16, 2020, 12:16:44 PM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!



Oh no, it's all of them. If you see "Build Back Better", that is a reference to the post pandemic reset. It's probably mostly a good thing, but my internet conspiracy friends are all freaking out about it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19724 on: November 16, 2020, 01:05:34 PM »
Oh no, it's all of them. If you see "Build Back Better", that is a reference to the post pandemic reset. It's probably mostly a good thing, but my internet conspiracy friends are all freaking out about it.

Ohh, I gotcha. I had specifically watched the video where Trudeau mentioned it.

It didn't phase me or seem scary, but the conspiracy nuts are having a field day.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19725 on: November 16, 2020, 01:14:11 PM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!

Anyways, I'm less inclined to blame corporations and more inclined to blame the public. Corporations don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They're propped up on your wallet.

So vote with your wallet. There are certain grocery stories I generally won't shop at and certain grocery stores I prefer to shop at because I like how those chains partner with brands that support fair-trade, or I like how those chains clearly value their employees more, and things like that.

The problem is that people want the cheapest, easiest, and quickest route -- they hardly care, if at all, about the rest. But that isn't the fault of corporations, i.e. organizations whose goal is maximum profit. They're just going with the flow and maximizing their profits per the public's expressed interests.

It's why Starbucks is moving away from using plastic straws, which seems like an environmentally-conscious move but really isn't: A sufficient amount of customers complained about it and were upset about it that the company decided it'd be in their best interest to move away from using them. There we can see a corporation going with the flow and responding to the expressed interests of the public in order to maximize profits.

So long as people don't care, things mostly ain't gonna change.

Accurate.
However I will say that some corporations just own everything.  Like have you seen what nestle owns?  Alot.
You also have cases where companies will work together to share the market while not really offering a choice.

Like what do you do when the organic brand and the processed in China brand are owned by the same parent company?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19726 on: November 16, 2020, 01:34:17 PM »
Or like all the automotice companies blocking electric vehicles for 30yrs because big oil told them to.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19727 on: November 16, 2020, 02:06:45 PM »
Fake News!

They did the most important thing for the donor class.  They gave them massive tax cuts.  If you're the top 1% this is the best possible outcome.

I dunno, the tax cuts put money back in most Americans' pockets. That's better since I know how to spend my money better than the government can, and it's been especially nice during economically difficult times due to COVID.

Oh, and I appreciate the federal government butting out for the most part and encouraging businesses and schools to reopen as is possible and safe instead of insisting they shut down across the board. Y'know, I actually want to still have an economy.

You fell for the political spin

Also take a look at your country getting over 1 million new infections every week. How is that helpful to the economy?

Look how other countries handled it. Australia got on top of a '2nd wave' and a state of millions of people which had lost control (getting more new cases per day than the UK at one point) has now not seen a single infection for nearly 3 weeks.

America with its millions of infections, hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more hundreds of thousands suffering long term health impacts from covid will feel the sting in the economy for a long time.

For too long you guys have run with this being not much more than a short term respitory illness. But it has been clear for a while this virus fudges up your heart and even the brain. Your lungs may be permanently damaged.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866505/

Here's some other effect to worry about when contracting covid. Cancer.

You could end up with millions of people suffering pulmonary scarring thereby increasing their risk of getting lung cancer. Who knows what other things you have in store waiting for you given how this disease ravages many parts of the body. Increased risk of heart disease/attacks? Increase risk of dementia?

Trumps legacy of not giving a shit will be felt for a long time



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19728 on: November 16, 2020, 02:14:02 PM »
The forever Trumpers are outside Hillary's house chanting "lock her up". https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-supporters-march-past-clintons-cuomo-homes
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19729 on: November 16, 2020, 02:18:39 PM »
Or like all the automotice companies blocking electric vehicles for 30yrs because big oil told them to.

Eh...
Yes and no.

While they did squash it best they could in America, the simple fact is, it wasn't ready.  The infrastructure wasn't ready.  The batteries wouldn't last long enough or go far enough and way too much of the electricity was from Coal plants anyway.  Plus, the US energy grid could not handle hundreds of thousands of electric cars being charged during the summer.  Places already have rolling blackouts due to A/C usage, add in electric cars and it just get worse.

What the US needs first is to redo it's energy grid.  Get that modernized, like they did with the highway system so many decades ago.  Then go from there.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19730 on: November 16, 2020, 02:26:51 PM »
None of this will matter after the great reset!

Justin Trudeau at it again!



Oh no, it's all of them. If you see "Build Back Better", that is a reference to the post pandemic reset. It's probably mostly a good thing, but my internet conspiracy friends are all freaking out about it.

The Great Reset Conspiracy...  a topic worthy of it's own thread,   if you don't start one I will.   LOL
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19731 on: November 16, 2020, 02:27:52 PM »
Trump has Q, it's only fair that Biden gets his own conspiracy!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19732 on: November 16, 2020, 02:36:31 PM »
You fell for the political spin

Also take a look at your country getting over 1 million new infections every week. How is that helpful to the economy?

Look how other countries handled it. Australia got on top of a '2nd wave' and a state of millions of people which had lost control (getting more new cases per day than the UK at one point) has now not seen a single infection for nearly 3 weeks.

America with its millions of infections, hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more hundreds of thousands suffering long term health impacts from covid will feel the sting in the economy for a long time.

For too long you guys have run with this being not much more than a short term respitory illness. But it has been clear for a while this virus fudges up your heart and even the brain. Your lungs may be permanently damaged.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866505/

Here's some other effect to worry about when contracting covid. Cancer.

You could end up with millions of people suffering pulmonary scarring thereby increasing their risk of getting lung cancer. Who knows what other things you have in store waiting for you given how this disease ravages many parts of the body. Increased risk of heart disease/attacks? Increase risk of dementia?

Trumps legacy of not giving a shit will be felt for a long time

Nice sudden shift in topic.

Anyway, I don't blame politicians -- I again blame the public.

All lockdowns and mandates do is justify government overreach. People will, either way, subvert restrictions whether they're enforced or not. Unfortunately.

So I've supported Trump's handling of the pandemic: Don't handle it. Allow states and cities the freedom and flexibility to handle the situation as is needed. I find his rhetoric distasteful though. I wish he'd speak about COVID as if it was the serious threat it is.

Then again, I also wish the mainstream media wasn't so adamant about misconstruing facts to construct a false narrative. And I wish the public appreciated how dire the situation is in some places and took it more seriously.

I wish a lot of things. But ultimately it comes down to people as individuals making a conscious choice to abide by health guidelines and do the right thing.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19733 on: November 16, 2020, 02:48:49 PM »
You fell for the political spin

Also take a look at your country getting over 1 million new infections every week. How is that helpful to the economy?

Look how other countries handled it. Australia got on top of a '2nd wave' and a state of millions of people which had lost control (getting more new cases per day than the UK at one point) has now not seen a single infection for nearly 3 weeks.

America with its millions of infections, hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more hundreds of thousands suffering long term health impacts from covid will feel the sting in the economy for a long time.

For too long you guys have run with this being not much more than a short term respitory illness. But it has been clear for a while this virus fudges up your heart and even the brain. Your lungs may be permanently damaged.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866505/

Here's some other effect to worry about when contracting covid. Cancer.

You could end up with millions of people suffering pulmonary scarring thereby increasing their risk of getting lung cancer. Who knows what other things you have in store waiting for you given how this disease ravages many parts of the body. Increased risk of heart disease/attacks? Increase risk of dementia?

Trumps legacy of not giving a shit will be felt for a long time

Nice sudden shift in topic.

Anyway, I don't blame politicians -- I again blame the public.

All lockdowns and mandates do is justify government overreach. People will, either way, subvert restrictions whether they're enforced or not. Unfortunately.

So I've supported Trump's handling of the pandemic: Don't handle it. Allow states and cities the freedom and flexibility to handle the situation as is needed. I find his rhetoric distasteful though. I wish he'd speak about COVID as if it was the serious threat it is.

Then again, I also wish the mainstream media wasn't so adamant about misconstruing facts to construct a false narrative. And I wish the public appreciated how dire the situation is in some places and took it more seriously.

I wish a lot of things. But ultimately it comes down to people as individuals making a conscious choice to abide by health guidelines and do the right thing.

You should really look at how other countries that have successfully dealt with this pandemic have behaved. We still have conspiracy nutters but unlike America, we don't let them call the shots. We don't have a leader who emboldens them.

Governments are there to serve and protect the people too. In a serious pandemic it is not an overreach to shut down sectors of an economy if it saves thousands of lives. People elect governments to lead them. This is a situation where leadership was needed.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19734 on: November 16, 2020, 03:12:28 PM »
You should really look at how other countries that have successfully dealt with this pandemic have behaved. We still have conspiracy nutters but unlike America, we don't let them call the shots. We don't have a leader who emboldens them.

That depends on how we define "successfully." What worked in one country may not work in another, etc. In countries that were experiencing some success with hard lockdowns after a severe downturn, like Italy, those countries are now experiencing another downturn. There are a lot of contributing factors and it's just not so simple.

Governments are there to serve and protect the people too. In a serious pandemic it is not an overreach to shut down sectors of an economy if it saves thousands of lives. People elect governments to lead them. This is a situation where leadership was needed.

Then we fundamentally disagree on the role of government in society.

You feel that governments are elected to lead people; I feel that governments are elected to serve people.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19735 on: November 16, 2020, 03:47:23 PM »
You feel that governments are elected to lead people; I feel that governments are elected to serve people.
What makes you think that the two are mutually exclusive or that Trump did either? ???
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19736 on: November 16, 2020, 04:18:51 PM »
You should really look at how other countries that have successfully dealt with this pandemic have behaved. We still have conspiracy nutters but unlike America, we don't let them call the shots. We don't have a leader who emboldens them.

That depends on how we define "successfully." What worked in one country may not work in another, etc. In countries that were experiencing some success with hard lockdowns after a severe downturn, like Italy, those countries are now experiencing another downturn. There are a lot of contributing factors and it's just not so simple.

Governments are there to serve and protect the people too. In a serious pandemic it is not an overreach to shut down sectors of an economy if it saves thousands of lives. People elect governments to lead them. This is a situation where leadership was needed.

Then we fundamentally disagree on the role of government in society.

You feel that governments are elected to lead people; I feel that governments are elected to serve people.

Yes, governments lead and also serve

If the country is facing a crisis, a government can successfully lead their nation out of it. A successful country needs leadership. Who is the leader if not the government? Random Joe Bloggs? In a democracy, the people choose (to a point) their leaders. A deadly pandemic is exactly the time for leadership. Instead you had Trump dismantle Obamas pademic preparedness plans and insist to the people this virus was a hoax, a democratic ploy to impeach him, would go away on its own, rubbish Fauci, neuter the CDC, was going to fire Fauci if re elected and made wearing masks to be a democratic badge.

Trumps own pre election rallies caused the deaths of 700+ people and 30,000+ new infections.

Trump as a leader had the chance to handle this so much better even without a 'lock down'. Trump was just sheer reckless and stupid.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19737 on: November 16, 2020, 06:39:41 PM »


Mitch does not want Trump to pull troops out of Afghanistan.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19738 on: November 16, 2020, 06:47:18 PM »
Mitch does not want Trump to pull troops out of Afghanistan.

McConnell is scum. It doesn't matter where you stand, he has no values.
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There is a preverb in Turkish:  "Do not think everybody have beard is your grandfather".

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #19739 on: November 16, 2020, 06:51:25 PM »
Mitch does not want Trump to pull troops out of Afghanistan.
Since when does Donald answer to Mitch?  Or anyone else, for that matter?
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