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Why do you support Donald Trump?

I don't want mexicans to come
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I want him to fight terrorism
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Free trade is bad
5 (6.7%)
He is the wild card we need
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15450 on: August 09, 2019, 09:56:39 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 09, 2019, 05:02:52 PM
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Conservatives do not completely ignore mainstream news, most of them watch Fox News, which is mainstream. It's the most mainstream of them all. Even liberals watch Fox News.

I always cringe when Fox whines 'main stream media'.
They are bigger than all the others combined.
I think its because they're the only big, right bias media.  Cnn, mnbc, nyt, washington post... All are big name and left bias.  So its purely count, not size.

It should be noted Fox has probably most conservatives/right wing viewers.  The others have to share the left wing/liberal viewers.

I, however, read NPR.  Its very center.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15451 on: August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM »
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15452 on: August 09, 2019, 10:10:29 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

It should be trivial I would think.  A birth certificate should do it.  Ever since 911 they've tightened up documentation requirements for driver's licenses.  Having one of those should be proof enough that you're a citizen.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15453 on: August 10, 2019, 12:48:44 AM »
Quote from: Crouton on August 09, 2019, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

It should be trivial I would think.  A birth certificate should do it.  Ever since 911 they've tightened up documentation requirements for driver's licenses.  Having one of those should be proof enough that you're a citizen.

Its not.
Drivers license is not enough unless you have a Real ID.  And most people don't keep their birth certificate on them.

https://passportinfo.com/blog/immigration-raids-protect-yourself/


Hey CFC, ya got a gold star on your license?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15454 on: August 10, 2019, 12:54:13 AM »
Quote from: Crouton on August 09, 2019, 10:10:29 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

It should be trivial I would think.  A birth certificate should do it.  Ever since 911 they've tightened up documentation requirements for driver's licenses.  Having one of those should be proof enough that you're a citizen.
There was some guy who was almost deported and was put in a concentration camp for weeks even though he had a birth certificate though.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15455 on: August 10, 2019, 12:54:39 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

Lol, you are right, that is BS. One or two maybe, 300 though lol.

I do what I can, require physical copy of birth certificate and social. Also do background checks and Lexus Nexus of all employees.

Haven't had an issue yet, and brought a few over for temp work visas from time to time.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15456 on: August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

Lol, you are right, that is BS. One or two maybe, 300 though lol.

I do what I can, require physical copy of birth certificate and social. Also do background checks and Lexus Nexus of all employees.

Haven't had an issue yet, and brought a few over for temp work visas from time to time.

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15457 on: August 10, 2019, 01:56:36 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
Quote from: Bom Tishop on August 10, 2019, 12:54:39 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

Lol, you are right, that is BS. One or two maybe, 300 though lol.

I do what I can, require physical copy of birth certificate and social. Also do background checks and Lexus Nexus of all employees.

Haven't had an issue yet, and brought a few over for temp work visas from time to time.

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

I mean I don't walk around with my birth certificate or social in my pocket.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15458 on: August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 09, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Some 300 Arrested In Mississippi Immigration Raids Have Been Released, Officials Say  https://n.pr/2YDAJTB

This is absolute BS.

"We comply with all state and federal hiring laws" my ass.  If 300 (at least) will have their day in court, they're probably illegals.

Though it does make me wonder, how do you prove citizenship in such a case?  Like lets say CFC's business got raided and they looked at him and said "Prove you're a US citizen.". Could he?

Lol, you are right, that is BS. One or two maybe, 300 though lol.

I do what I can, require physical copy of birth certificate and social. Also do background checks and Lexus Nexus of all employees.

Haven't had an issue yet, and brought a few over for temp work visas from time to time.

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

I mean I don't walk around with my birth certificate or social in my pocket.

Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15459 on: August 10, 2019, 05:53:14 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15460 on: August 10, 2019, 09:43:21 AM »
Quote from: JerkFace on August 10, 2019, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15461 on: August 10, 2019, 08:57:51 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 09:43:21 AM
Quote from: JerkFace on August 10, 2019, 05:53:14 AM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15462 on: August 11, 2019, 03:07:12 AM »
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Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL
CFC looks white and that's enough for ICE.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15463 on: August 11, 2019, 03:11:58 AM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 09:43:21 AM
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL

That's the liberal response.  I'm going with conservative one
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15464 on: August 11, 2019, 03:26:32 AM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 11, 2019, 03:11:58 AM
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL

That's the liberal response.  I'm going with conservative one

Therein lie the perils of assumption.   Racists come in all colours,  not just white.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15465 on: August 11, 2019, 05:46:01 AM »
Quote from: JerkFace on August 11, 2019, 03:26:32 AM
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL

That's the liberal response.  I'm going with conservative one

Therein lie the perils of assumption.   Racists come in all colours,  not just white.

I know.  And I'm kinda being a dick intentionally.  But I do assume he's white (or impossible to ID as non-white) based on his responses.  Which is stereotyping.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15466 on: August 11, 2019, 06:01:48 AM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL

That's the liberal response.  I'm going with conservative one

Therein lie the perils of assumption.   Racists come in all colours,  not just white.

I know.  And I'm kinda being a dick intentionally.  But I do assume he's white (or impossible to ID as non-white) based on his responses.  Which is stereotyping.

He's part Cherokee.  I don't think he's racist.  He just doesn't like liberals.  But he can tell you himself.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15467 on: August 11, 2019, 06:33:08 AM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 02:29:57 AM
Do you have the star on your license?  Cause if not, then you're lucky to be white.

Why do you assume he is white?
He sounds white.  He speaks of issues like he has never been told to "go back where you came from" or experienced subtle racism.

If he isn't white, he's the whitest non-white ever.

Maybe you should ask him why he's never been told to "go back where you came from".    The answer might explain a lot.   LOL

That's the liberal response.  I'm going with conservative one

Therein lie the perils of assumption.   Racists come in all colours,  not just white.

I know.  And I'm kinda being a dick intentionally.  But I do assume he's white (or impossible to ID as non-white) based on his responses.  Which is stereotyping.

He's part Cherokee.  I don't think he's racist.  He just doesn't like liberals.  But he can tell you himself.

Never said he was racist.  (Not anymore than most people anyway)

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15468 on: August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15469 on: August 11, 2019, 04:51:10 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.
Are you suggesting that white people can't be undocumented/illegal aliens?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15470 on: August 11, 2019, 05:55:45 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15471 on: August 11, 2019, 07:01:26 PM »
Quote from: JerkFace on August 11, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

Yours is cardboard.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15472 on: August 11, 2019, 07:12:52 PM »
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Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

Yours is cardboard.

Plastic.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15473 on: August 11, 2019, 08:24:46 PM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

Yours is cardboard.

Plastic.

If it says "Californian Drivers Licence" it's fake.   :D
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15474 on: August 11, 2019, 09:18:07 PM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.
Are you suggesting that white people can't be undocumented/illegal aliens?

Well,the last time we had a flood of white immigrants was the Irish and they were let in without much fuss.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15475 on: August 11, 2019, 09:41:34 PM »
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Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM
Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.
Are you suggesting that white people can't be undocumented/illegal aliens?

Well,the last time we had a flood of white immigrants was the Irish and they were let in without much fuss.

Do you mean entering legally and assimilating?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15476 on: August 11, 2019, 10:12:12 PM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
If it says "Californian Drivers Licence" it's fake.   :D

LOL.   You could be a pedant if you tried harder.   California Driver Licence.   

Still doesn't mean shit as far as citizenship goes. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15477 on: August 11, 2019, 10:15:08 PM »
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Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

What I would point out here is that a driver's license, at least in the states of utah and Nevada, carry a long paper trail. It should be theoretically trivial to follow that paper trail and verify citizenship.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15478 on: August 11, 2019, 10:21:27 PM »
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Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

What I would point out here is that a driver's license, at least in the states of utah and Nevada, carry a long paper trail. It should be theoretically trivial to follow that paper trail and verify citizenship.

I did the test at the Oroville DMV,  I don't recall showing them my passport,  provided you passed the test, you just had to provide a residential address for postage, and pay the lady.  But no social security number or birth certificate.

It was a while back and these things might have changed.

Edit: It looks like they are a lot stricter these days.  https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/dl/dlapp_lnks

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #15479 on: August 11, 2019, 10:55:40 PM »
Quote from: JerkFace on August 11, 2019, 10:21:27 PM
Quote from: Crouton on August 11, 2019, 10:15:08 PM
Quote from: JerkFace on August 11, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Quote from: Lorddave on August 10, 2019, 01:11:04 AM

Yes but could YOU provide proof upon request?  I mean, if you weren't white.

Has nothing to do with reflected light. 

My California Driver License/ID card is a prime indicator of citizenship.
With a quick records search they can link the card # to other proof.

Meh,  I have a Californian Drivers Licence,  proves nothing.

What I would point out here is that a driver's license, at least in the states of utah and Nevada, carry a long paper trail. It should be theoretically trivial to follow that paper trail and verify citizenship.

I did the test at the Oroville DMV,  I don't recall showing them my passport,  provided you passed the test, you just had to provide a residential address for postage, and pay the lady.  But no social security number or birth certificate.

It was a while back and these things might have changed.

Edit: It looks like they are a lot stricter these days.  https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/dl/dlapp_lnks

Yeah they got a whole lot stricter after 911.  Though it might differ from state to state.  I recall having to through the hassle of getting a typo on my social security card fixed to get my license renewed in the early 2000s.

It does make me think though, a birth certificate is what I think they'd want to see to proof citizenship.  However, I can see how it might not be possible to prove that a birth certificate belongs to someone.  It's not like they collect DNA when someone is born.
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