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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8610 on: May 08, 2018, 07:23:38 PM »

Because Iran were building a bomb or setting themselves up to build one anyway. In Trumps mind, Iran has only becoming increasingly belligerent and sponsoring of terrorism since the agreement so why not sanction them like you would any other state that sponsors terrorism and wants to build weapons of mass destruction. This deal prevented America from applying sanctions Iran deserved (and by Iran I mean their bastard government, not the everyday plebs who inevitably suffer the most from it)

The only thing this deal with Iran gave was a warm fuzzy feeling you were doing the right thing through good intensions. But that warm fuzzy feeling would later turn into someone elses hot, vaporizing feeling when Iran nukes someone they don't like.

LOL,  So Fox News thinks Iran has weapons of mass destruction?   USA pulls out of the deal and finds it can't apply sanctions because  Europe/Russia/China stay in the deal.   Seems like a dumb move.

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry,  I'll wait till you take your foot out.


Ok.............................................Go!

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8611 on: May 08, 2018, 07:30:32 PM »

Because Iran were building a bomb or setting themselves up to build one anyway. In Trumps mind, Iran has only becoming increasingly belligerent and sponsoring of terrorism since the agreement so why not sanction them like you would any other state that sponsors terrorism and wants to build weapons of mass destruction. This deal prevented America from applying sanctions Iran deserved (and by Iran I mean their bastard government, not the everyday plebs who inevitably suffer the most from it)

The only thing this deal with Iran gave was a warm fuzzy feeling you were doing the right thing through good intensions. But that warm fuzzy feeling would later turn into someone elses hot, vaporizing feeling when Iran nukes someone they don't like.

LOL,  So Fox News thinks Iran has weapons of mass destruction?   USA pulls out of the deal and finds it can't apply sanctions because  Europe/Russia/China stay in the deal.   Seems like a dumb move.

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry,  I'll wait till you take your foot out.


Ok.............................................Go!

LOL,  So go ahead and prove your assertion that Iran has a covert nuclear weapons program. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8612 on: May 08, 2018, 07:35:10 PM »

Because Iran were building a bomb or setting themselves up to build one anyway. In Trumps mind, Iran has only becoming increasingly belligerent and sponsoring of terrorism since the agreement so why not sanction them like you would any other state that sponsors terrorism and wants to build weapons of mass destruction. This deal prevented America from applying sanctions Iran deserved (and by Iran I mean their bastard government, not the everyday plebs who inevitably suffer the most from it)

The only thing this deal with Iran gave was a warm fuzzy feeling you were doing the right thing through good intensions. But that warm fuzzy feeling would later turn into someone elses hot, vaporizing feeling when Iran nukes someone they don't like.

LOL,  So Fox News thinks Iran has weapons of mass destruction?   USA pulls out of the deal and finds it can't apply sanctions because  Europe/Russia/China stay in the deal.   Seems like a dumb move.

I didn't say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

Sorry,  I'll wait till you take your foot out.


Ok.............................................Go!

LOL,  So go ahead and prove your assertion that Iran has a covert nuclear weapons program.

Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8613 on: May 08, 2018, 07:44:46 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.


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« Reply #8614 on: May 08, 2018, 07:47:46 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.

So if Europe and everyone else is still in the deal, why is the world concerned? Why does everything have to hinge on the US cooperating?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8615 on: May 08, 2018, 08:12:33 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.

So if Europe and everyone else is still in the deal, why is the world concerned? Why does everything have to hinge on the US cooperating?

That was my question.   I still can't see what Trump gained.  ( Other than confirming to the world he can't be trusted to honour international agreements ).
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8616 on: May 08, 2018, 08:23:15 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.

So if Europe and everyone else is still in the deal, why is the world concerned? Why does everything have to hinge on the US cooperating?

That was my question.   I still can't see what Trump gained.  ( Other than confirming to the world he can't be trusted to honour international agreements ).

Or maybe he's showing the world he wont accept bullshit agreements especially for the upcoming talks with North Korea. It was probably about sending them a message without actually having to tell them to their face. The playing field is already known now and America wont be duped into a BS arrangement where a country can have sanction relief and still be up to no good

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8617 on: May 08, 2018, 08:43:51 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.




They may be thorough and intrusive, but the Iran agreement guarantees a more than 3 week heads up before the inspectors can show up.  A lot can happen in those 24 days so being thorough and intrusive is moot. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8618 on: May 08, 2018, 08:47:29 PM »
Trumps angst was the fact there was nothing stopping Iran in the deal from doing just that. Iran was getting everything and it could still develop a small nuke or a  'dirty bomb' arsenal. The qualifier there being 'could'. I guess Iran's leader just doesn't have a trusting face.

I've heard that argument and it's not correct,  the inspection and verification regime was/is very thorough and intrusive.   So,  Europe and others stay in the deal,  makes Trump's opinion irrelevant.




They may be thorough and intrusive, but the Iran agreement guarantees a more than 3 week heads up before the inspectors can show up.  A lot can happen in those 24 days so being thorough and intrusive is moot.

How can anyone have confidence in an inspection when so much notice is required? Inspections should be random, numerous and unannounced

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8619 on: May 08, 2018, 08:51:48 PM »
And, Iran is also guaranteed the option to decline any inspection, should they choose to do so.  Can you imagine cops trying to bust a suspected drug dealer who has the same agreements?  It is the worst brokered deal in modern history.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8620 on: May 08, 2018, 10:35:40 PM »
And, Iran is also guaranteed the option to decline any inspection, should they choose to do so.  Can you imagine cops trying to bust a suspected drug dealer who has the same agreements?  It is the worst brokered deal in modern history.

That's contrary to what the IAEA says about the JCPOA,  they say they conduct  daily IAEA inspections without notice,  and there is 24x7 video surveillance.   

I don't doubt that Iran wants to have a nuclear bomb,  but there's no evidence to support the claim that they have a covert nuclear program.

The only countries supporting the USA withdrawal are Israel and Saudi Arabia. 

I smell Bolton's sticky fingers are all over this.  He's been advocating for regime change in Iran for some time.
 
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Inspectors have daily access to Natanz and Fordow, a former enrichment site built under a mountain outside the holy city of Qom, Rauf said. Two-thirds of the more than 15,000 uranium-enriching centrifuges once installed at Natanz have been removed since the agreement. Nearly all the centrifuges at Fordow were taken offline or placed in storage, leaving about 300 to produce isotopes for medical purposes.

The remaining equipment at both sites is under constant surveillance, reducing the need for in-person inspections, officials said. An old system involving home movie cameras — modified to start and stop in order to provide months of footage — has been replaced by high-speed color cameras with fisheye lenses that the IAEA says has helped produce a 90% increase in images.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-inspections-2017-story.html
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8621 on: May 08, 2018, 10:55:07 PM »
In a broader sense I wonder what this does to our credibility.  I know we've broken deals in the past but nothing on the level of a reality tv star holding a grudge against a president for making fun of him at a press event.  NK would have to be soft headed to make a deal with us now.  I can only hope that the rest of the world recognizes that we've got a lunatic behind the wheel but the rest of the passengers are sort of normal.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8622 on: May 08, 2018, 11:13:20 PM »
And, Iran is also guaranteed the option to decline any inspection, should they choose to do so.  Can you imagine cops trying to bust a suspected drug dealer who has the same agreements?  It is the worst brokered deal in modern history.

That's contrary to what the IAEA says about the JCPOA,  they say they conduct  daily IAEA inspections without notice,  and there is 24x7 video surveillance.   

I don't doubt that Iran wants to have a nuclear bomb,  but there's no evidence to support the claim that they have a covert nuclear program.

The only countries supporting the USA withdrawal are Israel and Saudi Arabia. 

I smell Bolton's sticky fingers are all over this.  He's been advocating for regime change in Iran for some time.
 
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Inspectors have daily access to Natanz and Fordow, a former enrichment site built under a mountain outside the holy city of Qom, Rauf said. Two-thirds of the more than 15,000 uranium-enriching centrifuges once installed at Natanz have been removed since the agreement. Nearly all the centrifuges at Fordow were taken offline or placed in storage, leaving about 300 to produce isotopes for medical purposes.

The remaining equipment at both sites is under constant surveillance, reducing the need for in-person inspections, officials said. An old system involving home movie cameras — modified to start and stop in order to provide months of footage — has been replaced by high-speed color cameras with fisheye lenses that the IAEA says has helped produce a 90% increase in images.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-inspections-2017-story.html


Really?  So are the BBC liars or are you just ignorant?

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request.

It says right there that they have almost a month to clean up before the inspectors show up.

If it refuses

It says right there that they have the option to refuse. 

It is the worst deal ever.  Please, do some research before you make yourself look even more like an ass. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8623 on: May 09, 2018, 12:26:06 AM »

Really?  So are the BBC liars or are you just ignorant?

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request.

It says right there that they have almost a month to clean up before the inspectors show up.

If it refuses

It says right there that they have the option to refuse. 

It is the worst deal ever.  Please, do some research before you make yourself look even more like an ass.

LOL, sorry no cigar. 

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Using the JPOA as a foundation for a more comprehensive agreement, Iran and the P5+1 concluded the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on 14 July 2015, a far-reaching 25-year settlement that constrained Iran’s nuclear capacity in exchange for sanctions relief. In accordance with the JCPOA, Iran agreed to remove approximately two-thirds of Natanz’s centrifuges, limit uranium enrichment to 3.67 percent, and down-blend or sell the majority of its LEU stockpile. Iran is also required to provide the IAEA daily access to Natanz for continuous monitoring of enrichment activities and centrifuge production.

Anyway wasn't it Bolton who started the whole WMD Iraq fiasco that led to the mess in Iraq today. 

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/24/after-15-years-of-disaster-in-iraq-bomb-crazed-loon-john-bolton-is-back-and-we-deserve-him/

John Bolton is one seriously messed up individual. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8624 on: May 09, 2018, 12:36:44 AM »

Really?  So are the BBC liars or are you just ignorant?

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request.

It says right there that they have almost a month to clean up before the inspectors show up.

If it refuses

It says right there that they have the option to refuse. 

It is the worst deal ever.  Please, do some research before you make yourself look even more like an ass.

LOL, sorry no cigar. 

Quote from: http://www.nti.org/learn/facilities/170/
Using the JPOA as a foundation for a more comprehensive agreement, Iran and the P5+1 concluded the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on 14 July 2015, a far-reaching 25-year settlement that constrained Iran’s nuclear capacity in exchange for sanctions relief. In accordance with the JCPOA, Iran agreed to remove approximately two-thirds of Natanz’s centrifuges, limit uranium enrichment to 3.67 percent, and down-blend or sell the majority of its LEU stockpile. Iran is also required to provide the IAEA daily access to Natanz for continuous monitoring of enrichment activities and centrifuge production.

Anyway wasn't it Bolton who started the whole WMD Iraq fiasco that led to the mess in Iraq today. 

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/24/after-15-years-of-disaster-in-iraq-bomb-crazed-loon-john-bolton-is-back-and-we-deserve-him/

John Bolton is one seriously messed up individual. 


First of all, the part you highlighted listed only one location when there are multiple known locations that were producing nuclear material.  Secondly, 'daily access' means video surveillance cameras.  If you know where the cameras are pointed, then you don't do bad things there.  That does not mean you do not do bad things.  And, third, as the BBC said, Iran gets almost a month of forewarning before inspectors show up, and they can refuse the inspections anyway.  Face it, you don't have a leg to stand on.  I can find more sources if you do not believe the BBC, but I doubt that you will read anything I post anyway, as you prefer to remain ignorant. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8625 on: May 09, 2018, 01:38:45 AM »

Really?  So are the BBC liars or are you just ignorant?

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request.

It says right there that they have almost a month to clean up before the inspectors show up.

If it refuses

It says right there that they have the option to refuse. 

It is the worst deal ever.  Please, do some research before you make yourself look even more like an ass.

LOL, sorry no cigar. 

Quote from: http://www.nti.org/learn/facilities/170/
Using the JPOA as a foundation for a more comprehensive agreement, Iran and the P5+1 concluded the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on 14 July 2015, a far-reaching 25-year settlement that constrained Iran’s nuclear capacity in exchange for sanctions relief. In accordance with the JCPOA, Iran agreed to remove approximately two-thirds of Natanz’s centrifuges, limit uranium enrichment to 3.67 percent, and down-blend or sell the majority of its LEU stockpile. Iran is also required to provide the IAEA daily access to Natanz for continuous monitoring of enrichment activities and centrifuge production.

Anyway wasn't it Bolton who started the whole WMD Iraq fiasco that led to the mess in Iraq today. 

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/24/after-15-years-of-disaster-in-iraq-bomb-crazed-loon-john-bolton-is-back-and-we-deserve-him/

John Bolton is one seriously messed up individual. 


First of all, the part you highlighted listed only one location when there are multiple known locations that were producing nuclear material.  Secondly, 'daily access' means video surveillance cameras.  If you know where the cameras are pointed, then you don't do bad things there.  That does not mean you do not do bad things.  And, third, as the BBC said, Iran gets almost a month of forewarning before inspectors show up, and they can refuse the inspections anyway.  Face it, you don't have a leg to stand on.  I can find more sources if you do not believe the BBC, but I doubt that you will read anything I post anyway, as you prefer to remain ignorant.

You made the claim,  it's up to you to prove it.  I already showed that it's wrong.    But by all means continue to beat that dead horse. 

You still haven't provided any justification for the USA withdrawing from the JCPOA,  other than Trump/Bolton don't like it.   

Is the USA just going to isolate itself from the rest of the world and leave it to China and Europe?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8626 on: May 09, 2018, 01:59:54 AM »

Really?  So are the BBC liars or are you just ignorant?

Until 2031, Iran will have 24 days to comply with any IAEA access request.

It says right there that they have almost a month to clean up before the inspectors show up.

If it refuses

It says right there that they have the option to refuse. 

It is the worst deal ever.  Please, do some research before you make yourself look even more like an ass.

LOL, sorry no cigar. 

Quote from: http://www.nti.org/learn/facilities/170/
Using the JPOA as a foundation for a more comprehensive agreement, Iran and the P5+1 concluded the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on 14 July 2015, a far-reaching 25-year settlement that constrained Iran’s nuclear capacity in exchange for sanctions relief. In accordance with the JCPOA, Iran agreed to remove approximately two-thirds of Natanz’s centrifuges, limit uranium enrichment to 3.67 percent, and down-blend or sell the majority of its LEU stockpile. Iran is also required to provide the IAEA daily access to Natanz for continuous monitoring of enrichment activities and centrifuge production.

Anyway wasn't it Bolton who started the whole WMD Iraq fiasco that led to the mess in Iraq today. 

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/24/after-15-years-of-disaster-in-iraq-bomb-crazed-loon-john-bolton-is-back-and-we-deserve-him/

John Bolton is one seriously messed up individual. 


First of all, the part you highlighted listed only one location when there are multiple known locations that were producing nuclear material.  Secondly, 'daily access' means video surveillance cameras.  If you know where the cameras are pointed, then you don't do bad things there.  That does not mean you do not do bad things.  And, third, as the BBC said, Iran gets almost a month of forewarning before inspectors show up, and they can refuse the inspections anyway.  Face it, you don't have a leg to stand on.  I can find more sources if you do not believe the BBC, but I doubt that you will read anything I post anyway, as you prefer to remain ignorant.

You made the claim,  it's up to you to prove it.  I already showed that it's wrong.    But by all means continue to beat that dead horse. 

You still haven't provided any justification for the USA withdrawing from the JCPOA,  other than Trump/Bolton don't like it.   

Is the USA just going to isolate itself from the rest of the world and leave it to China and Europe?



In case you did not realize it, Trump is a negotiator.  He wants to negotiate a new deal, not have no deal at all.  The Obama deal was crap, and Obama signed it not because it makes anyone safer, but because he was trying to rack up brownie points before the end of his term, like he did when he pardoned a bunch of people and signed a bunch of executive orders in the months before he left.  If pardoning all these people was the right thing to do, then why did he wait 8 years to do it at the end? 

Now, you say I have the burden of proof because I made a claim.  I posted a BBC article that confirmed what I claimed, and offered to post more sources if you would actually read them. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8627 on: May 09, 2018, 02:04:30 AM »
You could also google, "Iran Nuclear Deal Key Points," to do some legwork for yourself, as well.  But, I doubt you will do that, as you deny anything that goes against your liberal indoctrination. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8628 on: May 09, 2018, 02:47:47 AM »
You could also google, "Iran Nuclear Deal Key Points," to do some legwork for yourself, as well.  But, I doubt you will do that, as you deny anything that goes against your liberal indoctrination.

Already did that, and pointed out that the IAEA inspectors have daily access to Iran's nuclear facilities, PLUS 24x7 video monitoring,  I could post the links again, but since you claim to have inside knowledge on the number and location of all the video monitoring systems. 

You keep claiming that it's a bad deal,  but you haven't proven its not working, I'm simply pointing out that nobody else other than Trumptards and Fox News thinks its a bad deal. 

Let's cut to the chase, are you claiming that Iran has violated the agreement?   

Didn't Trump just do exactly that?


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If Iran pulled out of the deal completely, it would dramatically reduce the U.N. nuclear watchdog’s ability to monitor the country’s activities.

The U.N. agency says its presence in Iran in terms of inspectors’ calendar days doubled to 3,000 in 2017 compared to 2013. It adds that its “verification activities conducted” have increased 152 percent over that time frame, without specifying total numbers.

U.N. inspectors would still monitor Iran’s declared nuclear facilities because Tehran is a signatory to the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, U.N. inspectors would no longer have daily access to the Fordow and Natanz sites, for example, and would have more limited oversight of areas including uranium mining and research without nuclear material.

Some Iranian officials have even threatened to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty, a drastic move that would involve expelling U.N. inspectors altogether as North Korea did in 2009.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-explainer/u-s-risks-reversing-iran-nuclear-deals-inspection-gains-idUSKBN1I425L
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8629 on: May 09, 2018, 03:00:45 AM »
Perhaps Iran didn't have to violate the agreement..... Yet. It was such a shit deal they could more or less operate nefariously all systems go

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« Reply #8630 on: May 09, 2018, 03:03:18 AM »
You could also google, "Iran Nuclear Deal Key Points," to do some legwork for yourself, as well.  But, I doubt you will do that, as you deny anything that goes against your liberal indoctrination.

Already did that, and pointed out that the IAEA inspectors have daily access to Iran's nuclear facilities, PLUS 24x7 video monitoring,  I could post the links again, but since you claim to have inside knowledge on the number and location of all the video monitoring systems. 

You keep claiming that it's a bad deal,  but you haven't proven its not working, I'm simply pointing out that nobody else other than Trumptards and Fox News thinks its a bad deal. 

Let's cut to the chase, are you claiming that Iran has violated the agreement?   

Didn't Trump just do exactly that?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-explainer/u-s-risks-reversing-iran-nuclear-deals-inspection-gains-idUSKBN1I425L

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If Iran pulled out of the deal completely, it would dramatically reduce the U.N. nuclear watchdog’s ability to monitor the country’s activities.

The U.N. agency says its presence in Iran in terms of inspectors’ calendar days doubled to 3,000 in 2017 compared to 2013. It adds that its “verification activities conducted” have increased 152 percent over that time frame, without specifying total numbers.

U.N. inspectors would still monitor Iran’s declared nuclear facilities because Tehran is a signatory to the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, U.N. inspectors would no longer have daily access to the Fordow and Natanz sites, for example, and would have more limited oversight of areas including uranium mining and research without nuclear material.

Some Iranian officials have even threatened to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty, a drastic move that would involve expelling U.N. inspectors altogether as North Korea did in 2009.




And, I pointed out the flaws in your source.  Not because it was wrong, but because it did not say what you make it out to say.  Do you even know how many nuclear processing facilities are known about?  I will give you a hint: it is more than one.  Have you wondered how many are not known about? 

The Iran deal was crap from the start.  We, as in all countries involved, basically bowed to Iran and gave them whatever they wanted.  Obama wanted a deal that he could wear as a badge and did not give a fuck what the deal said.  Obama is known for doing stuff like this.  When he first took office, the US economy crashed.  He blamed it on Bush and said he would fix it.  He gave money to all of his donors.  He said this would fix the economy, but all it did was line the pockets of his campaign contributors.  For fuck's sake, he gave millions of dollars to companies that employed less than 20 people who were later traced back to the contributions.  The amount of money he gave to his donors would almost make every US citizen a millionaire, yet the economy never recovered until Trump took office. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8631 on: May 09, 2018, 03:11:18 AM »
Rayzor at this point maybe you should bow out. As someone who doesn't even live in America and has a clear liberal bias you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Do you know how foolish you must look to normal Americans who live this?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8632 on: May 09, 2018, 03:22:58 AM »
Obama talked all kinds of trash about Hillary when she ran against him.  He made her out to be an evil hag.  When he won the election, he then appointed her to be his secretary of state, and later, campaigned for her when she ran again.  WTF?  Is she bad or good?  The Democrats have no morals at all.  I know you will say it is just politics.  But, I think that is why the American people voted for Trump; because he is not a politician. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8633 on: May 09, 2018, 03:28:39 AM »
You could also google, "Iran Nuclear Deal Key Points," to do some legwork for yourself, as well.  But, I doubt you will do that, as you deny anything that goes against your liberal indoctrination.

Already did that, and pointed out that the IAEA inspectors have daily access to Iran's nuclear facilities, PLUS 24x7 video monitoring,  I could post the links again, but since you claim to have inside knowledge on the number and location of all the video monitoring systems. 

You keep claiming that it's a bad deal,  but you haven't proven its not working, I'm simply pointing out that nobody else other than Trumptards and Fox News thinks its a bad deal. 

Let's cut to the chase, are you claiming that Iran has violated the agreement?   

Didn't Trump just do exactly that?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-iaea-explainer/u-s-risks-reversing-iran-nuclear-deals-inspection-gains-idUSKBN1I425L

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If Iran pulled out of the deal completely, it would dramatically reduce the U.N. nuclear watchdog’s ability to monitor the country’s activities.

The U.N. agency says its presence in Iran in terms of inspectors’ calendar days doubled to 3,000 in 2017 compared to 2013. It adds that its “verification activities conducted” have increased 152 percent over that time frame, without specifying total numbers.

U.N. inspectors would still monitor Iran’s declared nuclear facilities because Tehran is a signatory to the 1970 nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. But, U.N. inspectors would no longer have daily access to the Fordow and Natanz sites, for example, and would have more limited oversight of areas including uranium mining and research without nuclear material.

Some Iranian officials have even threatened to withdraw from the Non-Proliferation Treaty, a drastic move that would involve expelling U.N. inspectors altogether as North Korea did in 2009.




And, I pointed out the flaws in your source.  Not because it was wrong, but because it did not say what you make it out to say.  Do you even know how many nuclear processing facilities are known about?  I will give you a hint: it is more than one.  Have you wondered how many are not known about? 

The Iran deal was crap from the start.  We, as in all countries involved, basically bowed to Iran and gave them whatever they wanted.  Obama wanted a deal that he could wear as a badge and did not give a fuck what the deal said.  Obama is known for doing stuff like this.  When he first took office, the US economy crashed.  He blamed it on Bush and said he would fix it.  He gave money to all of his donors.  He said this would fix the economy, but all it did was line the pockets of his campaign contributors.  For fuck's sake, he gave millions of dollars to companies that employed less than 20 people who were later traced back to the contributions.  The amount of money he gave to his donors would almost make every US citizen a millionaire, yet the economy never recovered until Trump took office.

It says IAEA inspectors have daily access to the Iranian nuclear processing sites, and includes 24x7 video monitoring,  no one has claimed that the Iranians haven't lived up to their side of the deal.

So there is no justification for the US to walk away, other than it's something Obama did so it must be reversed.  FFS.  If you want to claim otherwise you have to prove it.

When Obama took office it was right after the Global financial crisis,  if you recall it was under Bush's presidency that it all went to shit with sub prime mortgages.  Lehman Brothers went  under in September 2008,  Obama was inaugurated in January 2009,  so how can you blame Obama for the GFC?  Obama inherited Bush's disaster,  and turned it around.

Trump inherited a booming economy and is hell bent on bankrupting it.  How many trillions of extra debt has he piled so far?


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8634 on: May 09, 2018, 03:30:21 AM »
Rayzor at this point maybe you should bow out. As someone who doesn't even live in America and has a clear liberal bias you clearly don't know what you are talking about. Do you know how foolish you must look to normal Americans who live this?

I feel sorry for them,  they need our moral support to get past this moronic president.   Anyway I not in the least bit liberal.  I vote independent.
 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8635 on: May 09, 2018, 03:30:40 AM »
In case you did not realize it, Trump is a negotiator.
He's an imbecile with the attention span of a gnat.

All he's done so far is tear up agreements, any idiot can do that.  What's he negotiated so far, exactly?  I mean who's going to even make a new agreement with someone who could just fuck them over any time?

And all this talk of Iran sponsoring terrorism.  Yeah, all that Shia terrorism we get in the West...oops, looks like none at all.  Sunni extremists are the source of terrorism in the West (not to mention ISIS and all those other motherfuckers), and Sunni extremism grows out of the fucked up creed of Wahhabism.. and where does Wahhabism come from. 

Oh yeah, these cunts



But those twats get to hold hands and buy all the best weapons.  That's what's fucked up.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8636 on: May 09, 2018, 03:52:46 AM »
We can't even inspect their military sites.  They hold all of the cards and tell the inspectors where they are allowed to inspect.

As the Trump administration calls for stricter monitoring of the Iranian nuclear agreement, officials in Iran insist they are complying with its terms and will not allow international inspectors into military sites.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8637 on: May 09, 2018, 03:58:06 AM »
Also, daily access is to only the place that they determine.  Do you think they will do something wrong in the one place where they agreed to let inspectors in to see? 

Iran will grant the IAEA daily access to Fordow for 15 years.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8638 on: May 09, 2018, 04:01:13 AM »
What's he negotiated so far, exactly?

I am sorry.  Perhaps you did not hear that Trump will be meeting with Kim soon.  Perhaps peace on the Korean peninsula is not that important to you, but I can assure you it is important to many others. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #8639 on: May 09, 2018, 04:01:28 AM »
We can't even inspect their military sites.  They hold all of the cards and tell the inspectors where they are allowed to inspect.

As the Trump administration calls for stricter monitoring of the Iranian nuclear agreement, officials in Iran insist they are complying with its terms and will not allow international inspectors into military sites.

That's true,  but there are other monitoring systems,  ( satellite,  radiation monitoring, covert ops etc... )  and there is no indication that Iran has broken it's end of the bargain.
 
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