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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7770 on: March 08, 2018, 01:29:45 PM »
He'll have to blame video games for the school shootings to distract from his cheeto.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7771 on: March 08, 2018, 01:53:12 PM »
He brought in the big guns to blame the video games. He brought in the guy that literally wrote a book blaming video games for the increase in violent crimes. #handsoffmygames
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7772 on: March 08, 2018, 01:55:00 PM »
He brought in the big guns to blame the video games. He brought in the guy that literally wrote a book blaming video games for the increase in violent crimes. #handsoffmygames

Anita Sarkeesian?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7773 on: March 08, 2018, 02:04:30 PM »
He brought in the big guns to blame the video games. He brought in the guy that literally wrote a book blaming video games for the increase in violent crimes. #handsoffmygames

Anita Sarkeesian?
Our collective outrage was about ethics in video game journalism, nothing else. /sarcasm

Let's please not gamergate this.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7774 on: March 08, 2018, 02:17:48 PM »
He brought in the big guns to blame the video games. He brought in the guy that literally wrote a book blaming video games for the increase in violent crimes. #handsoffmygames

Anita Sarkeesian?
Our collective outrage was about ethics in video game journalism, nothing else. /sarcasm

Let's please not gamergate this.

I was joking.  I know it's Jack Thompson.

I think this move might hurt Trump more than he might have thought.  A lot of these gamergate types love Trump because they thought he'd stand up to people like Sarkeesian.  But the joke's on them because Trump has probably never played a video game in his life.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7775 on: March 08, 2018, 02:47:34 PM »
He'll have to blame video games for the school shootings to distract from his cheeto.

Bill Clinton would have just bombed a 3rd world country to distract from allegations of sexual indiscretions. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7776 on: March 08, 2018, 02:53:19 PM »
He'll have to blame video games for the school shootings to distract from his cheeto.

Bill Clinton would have just bombed a 3rd world country to distract from allegations of sexual indiscretions.

That sounds about right.  Meanwhile back at the ranch,  Trump just starts a trade war with the rest of the world.   Guess how that's going to end.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7777 on: March 08, 2018, 03:01:22 PM »
It's the media. They get paid by clicks/views. Of course they are going to tend towards sensationalism. It's been like this for ages. Why freak out about it now?


If not now then when?

Whenever you want. Now is fine. That was a serious question though: "why are you freaking out about it now of all times?" The answer: because a certain political party is emphasizing it to use as a deflection tactic to dodge blame. (edit: I'm using the collective "you". Not you specifically.)

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7778 on: March 08, 2018, 03:17:39 PM »
2018.  Trump is president.

A porn star is threatening to release dick pics of the president.  Somehow this isn't the least bit surprising.



So is it acceptable for a women to release this sort of material against a man but not the other way around? This attitude only fosters revenge porn. Stupid feminist double standard bullshit
It'll probably backfire anyway.  Seriously, who wants to see dick pics of Trump?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7779 on: March 08, 2018, 03:18:35 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.

Do I think Trump doesn't understand the depth of what he's doing? Do I think Trump as a blow in is dumb not to listen to his advisors who have built their careers on knowing their field? Sure, but there is an extra big stink made of it, purely because of the Trump factor. The EU should look at themselves before they start sooking about the concept of tariffs.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7780 on: March 08, 2018, 03:29:49 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.

Do I think Trump doesn't understand the depth of what he's doing? Do I think Trump as a blow in is dumb not to listen to his advisors who have built their careers on knowing their field? Sure, but there is an extra big stink made of it, purely because of the Trump factor. The EU should look at themselves before they start sooking about the concept of tariffs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2018/03/08/trumps-trade-war-does-the-u-s-have-the-lowest-tariffs-in-the-world/?utm_term=.f4499249d936

I'm pretty sure Fox News would have made a stink of it.  It would give them a much needed break from complaining about his mustard.

I don't have enough knowledge on the subject of international trade to judge this.  Neither does Trump.  But here's a few details you might not be away of.

1.  There's a special election in a part of the country that produces steel.

2.  The Republicans have been losing nearly every special election since Trump at an alarming rate.

3.  Congress controls tariffs, not the president.  What Trump is using here is a provision for national security.  It's not intended to protect the jobs of an extremely specific part of the country. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7781 on: March 08, 2018, 03:36:14 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.

Do I think Trump doesn't understand the depth of what he's doing? Do I think Trump as a blow in is dumb not to listen to his advisors who have built their careers on knowing their field? Sure, but there is an extra big stink made of it, purely because of the Trump factor. The EU should look at themselves before they start sooking about the concept of tariffs.

I'm pretty sure you are failing to grasp what a trade war actually means in global terms.   

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7783 on: March 08, 2018, 03:45:10 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.

Do I think Trump doesn't understand the depth of what he's doing? Do I think Trump as a blow in is dumb not to listen to his advisors who have built their careers on knowing their field? Sure, but there is an extra big stink made of it, purely because of the Trump factor. The EU should look at themselves before they start sooking about the concept of tariffs.

I'm pretty sure you are failing to grasp what a trade war actually means in global terms.

It's pretty shit globally, but no one would talk of 'war' if it was some liberal leaning Obama or Clinton that wanted more tariffs.

This thing is largely a media beat up. Drumming up anti Trump sentiment. It takes 2 to start a war. Trump making the first move in itself is not a trade war. It would be the response from others that determine if a 'war' is on. Of course the media love a great story so are already goading everyone to thinking a war is on.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7784 on: March 08, 2018, 03:50:26 PM »
It's pretty shit globally, but no one would talk of 'war' if it was some liberal leaning Obama or Clinton that wanted more tariffs.

This thing is largely a media beat up. Drumming up anti Trump sentiment. It takes 2 to start a war. Trump making the first move in itself is not a trade war. It would be the response from others that determine if a 'war' is on. Of course the media love a great story so are already goading everyone to thinking a war is on.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7785 on: March 08, 2018, 03:57:26 PM »
It's pretty shit globally, but no one would talk of 'war' if it was some liberal leaning Obama or Clinton that wanted more tariffs.

This thing is largely a media beat up. Drumming up anti Trump sentiment. It takes 2 to start a war. Trump making the first move in itself is not a trade war. It would be the response from others that determine if a 'war' is on. Of course the media love a great story so are already goading everyone to thinking a war is on.

How to justify anything, by Shifter: "In my imagination, the liberals would get away with it! Therefore, you aren't allowed to complain about Trump doing it in reality."

Lets look at the reality. Trump wants impose tariffs on 2 additional products. The world (which employs thousands of tariffs of their own) loses their shit

I'm not justifying the tariffs he wants to impose. It's clearly a dumb idea. But it looks stupid of the EU to complain when they themselves have tariffs on the same products by as much as 70% They should just STFU and stop trying to tell the American President what to do.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7786 on: March 08, 2018, 04:39:42 PM »
It's pretty shit globally, but no one would talk of 'war' if it was some liberal leaning Obama or Clinton that wanted more tariffs.

This thing is largely a media beat up. Drumming up anti Trump sentiment. It takes 2 to start a war. Trump making the first move in itself is not a trade war. It would be the response from others that determine if a 'war' is on. Of course the media love a great story so are already goading everyone to thinking a war is on.

How to justify anything, by Shifter: "In my imagination, the liberals would get away with it! Therefore, you aren't allowed to complain about Trump doing it in reality."

Lets look at the reality. Trump wants impose tariffs on 2 additional products. The world (which employs thousands of tariffs of their own) loses their shit

I'm not justifying the tariffs he wants to impose. It's clearly a dumb idea. But it looks stupid of the EU to complain when they themselves have tariffs on the same products by as much as 70% They should just STFU and stop trying to tell the American President what to do.

I like how you seamlessly shifted from targeting the "media" to targeting the EU. Still using the whataboutism tactic, but at least it isn't based on your own imagination this time. Baby steps I guess.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7787 on: March 08, 2018, 04:43:14 PM »
It's pretty shit globally, but no one would talk of 'war' if it was some liberal leaning Obama or Clinton that wanted more tariffs.

This thing is largely a media beat up. Drumming up anti Trump sentiment. It takes 2 to start a war. Trump making the first move in itself is not a trade war. It would be the response from others that determine if a 'war' is on. Of course the media love a great story so are already goading everyone to thinking a war is on.

How to justify anything, by Shifter: "In my imagination, the liberals would get away with it! Therefore, you aren't allowed to complain about Trump doing it in reality."

Lets look at the reality. Trump wants impose tariffs on 2 additional products. The world (which employs thousands of tariffs of their own) loses their shit

I'm not justifying the tariffs he wants to impose. It's clearly a dumb idea. But it looks stupid of the EU to complain when they themselves have tariffs on the same products by as much as 70% They should just STFU and stop trying to tell the American President what to do.

I like how you seamlessly shifted from targeting the "media" to targeting the EU. Still using the whataboutism tactic, but at least it isn't based on your own imagination this time. Baby steps I guess.

Both are guilty. The media is drumming up the talk of war for the anti Trump sentiment and the EU appeases their MSM brainwashed plebs.

In all the media reporting, in all the bluster, in all the self righteousness, not once did I hear about the shit the EU imposes tariffs on. People would be forgiven to believing the EU doesn't impose any tariffs or trade restrictions.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7788 on: March 08, 2018, 04:52:16 PM »
Both are guilty. The media is drumming up the talk of war for the anti Trump sentiment and the EU appeases their MSM brainwashed plebs.

It's a stupid idea. They would be wrong not to complain about it. You just don't like that your precious double-stuffed oompa-loompa is taking flak for it.

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In all the media reporting, in all the bluster, in all the self righteousness, not once did I hear about the shit the EU imposes tariffs on. People would be forgiven to believing the EU doesn't impose any tariffs or trade restrictions.

Tariffs aren't universally evil. It's a tool to be used. Some uses of tariffs are reasonable, some aren't. These aren't, and they affect a LOT of countries. Hence, lots of complaints. Dumbass.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7789 on: March 08, 2018, 04:58:59 PM »
Both are guilty. The media is drumming up the talk of war for the anti Trump sentiment and the EU appeases their MSM brainwashed plebs.

It's a stupid idea. They would be wrong not to complain about it. You just don't like that your precious double-stuffed oompa-loompa is taking flak for it.

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In all the media reporting, in all the bluster, in all the self righteousness, not once did I hear about the shit the EU imposes tariffs on. People would be forgiven to believing the EU doesn't impose any tariffs or trade restrictions.

Tariffs aren't universally evil. It's a tool to be used. Some uses of tariffs are reasonable, some aren't. These aren't, and they affect a LOT of countries. Hence, lots of complaints. Dumbass.

Selective reading. I have said numerous times I think Trump is dumb on this. He's just a blow in who is ignoring advice of peoples who have dedicated the entire career to economics. My argument is the hysteria we are seeing is because of the 'Trump' factor. If Obama was doing the same the response globally would be far more timid

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7790 on: March 08, 2018, 05:05:58 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.
Obama did try tariffs in 2011 and guess what?  It was a disaster.
Consider former President Barack Obama’s tire fiasco of 2011. Over the course of three years, Chinese tires were subjected to a series of gradually decreasing tariffs to curb their impact on the U.S.’s domestic tire market. The result was abysmal. According to reports from the Peterson Institute for International Economics, the move rescued, at most, 1,200 jobs within the domestic tire industry and cost the retail sector almost 4,000 jobs. Furthermore, China then slapped retaliatory anti-dumping duties on chicken parts exported from the United States, squashing nearly $1 billion in sales in that industry.
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« Reply #7791 on: March 08, 2018, 05:33:39 PM »
If Obama was pondering slapping tariffs on steel and aluminium, the media wouldn't give a shit. Listen to the Europe have a big sook about 'trade wars' and tariffs. What a bunch of hypocrites. The EU has tariffs on thousands of products.
Obama did try tariffs in 2011 and guess what?  It was a disaster.
Consider former President Barack Obama’s tire fiasco of 2011. Over the course of three years, Chinese tires were subjected to a series of gradually decreasing tariffs to curb their impact on the U.S.’s domestic tire market. The result was abysmal. According to reports from the Peterson Institute for International Economics, the move rescued, at most, 1,200 jobs within the domestic tire industry and cost the retail sector almost 4,000 jobs. Furthermore, China then slapped retaliatory anti-dumping duties on chicken parts exported from the United States, squashing nearly $1 billion in sales in that industry.

How much media fanfare did Obama get before and after these tariffs?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7792 on: March 08, 2018, 06:28:36 PM »
Well, the "failing New York Times" certainly didn't shy away from reporting on tariffs on solar panels under Obama.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/business/energy-environment/-us-imposes-steep-tariffs-on-chinese-solar-panels.html

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« Reply #7793 on: March 08, 2018, 07:04:18 PM »
It's the media. They get paid by clicks/views. Of course they are going to tend towards sensationalism. It's been like this for ages. Why freak out about it now?


If not now then when?

Whenever you want. Now is fine. That was a serious question though: "why are you freaking out about it now of all times?" The answer: because a certain political party is emphasizing it to use as a deflection tactic to dodge blame. (edit: I'm using the collective "you". Not you specifically.)

I urge you to have an earnest discussion about the problems in the news media. All I ask is that you don't give in to the pressure to use it as a deflection tactic.

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2. Limit complaints to specific shows/companies/people, with specific examples. Most problems don't apply to everyone involved in the industry equally. From there, you can carefully build up generalizations if you think they are warranted. Just don't start with generalizations.

Why start freaking out about politicians lying now of all times?

I disliked the media for a lot further back then Trump's inauguration that's for sure. Nothing stupider than dijon mustardgate IMO.

You're making a big deal of how Trump lied about the inauguration crowd size. It's kind of like accusing Texans of lying whenever they open their mouths because everything's always bigger and better in Texas even when it really isn't. But it suits your Trump bashing fetish to make a big deal out of how it's all a great big terrible awful lie! I consider you a little unbalanced when it comes to Trump tbh. I just pointed out how I thought it was as much the media's fault as anything, which I still believe. There is nothing wrong with posting a comment like that. If you're worried about this thread going OT start a new thread yourself.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7794 on: March 08, 2018, 09:28:19 PM »

You just don't like that your precious double-stuffed oompa-loompa is taking flak for it.


I just love seeing totes post about Trump. He is like a 6 year old, just mad and snorting. There was one post I wish I could remember where it is on this thread where I swore he had to have broken a few letters off his keyboard​ or cracked the screen on his phone while red on the face.

I laughed hard but not from the content, but from imagining him actually typing it out and his condition.

Liberals lol....like grade school all over again. Would be much funnier if they didn't pretend to be so enlightened and intelligent...and have to tell us every five seconds about their delusions of grandeur.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7795 on: March 08, 2018, 09:37:29 PM »
Whenever you want. Now is fine. That was a serious question though: "why are you freaking out about it now of all times?" The answer: because a certain political party is emphasizing it to use as a deflection tactic to dodge blame. (edit: I'm using the collective "you". Not you specifically.)

I urge you to have an earnest discussion about the problems in the news media. All I ask is that you don't give in to the pressure to use it as a deflection tactic.

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2. Limit complaints to specific shows/companies/people, with specific examples. Most problems don't apply to everyone involved in the industry equally. From there, you can carefully build up generalizations if you think they are warranted. Just don't start with generalizations.

Why start freaking out about politicians lying now of all times?

Good question. Two reasons:

1. The sheer volume of lies is on a completely different scale than normal.
2. There is a possibility of an impending showdown. What happens if Mueller announces serious charges against Trump? The lies, deflections, and counter accusations will come thick and heavy. Deflections to "fake news media" will be central. I worry about the ramifications for our country if 40% of the population believes Trump.

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I disliked the media for a lot further back then Trump's inauguration that's for sure. Nothing stupider than dijon mustardgate IMO.

I consider myself a media-hating-hipster as well. I hated the news media before it was cool. Now that it's cool, I constantly find myself trying to pull people back from the other extreme. Public perception is always a pendulum with too little dampening. Such is life.

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You're making a big deal of how Trump lied about the inauguration crowd size. It's kind of like accusing Texans of lying whenever they open their mouths because everything's always bigger and better in Texas even when it really isn't. But it suits your Trump bashing fetish to make a big deal out of how it's all a great big terrible awful lie! I consider you a little unbalanced when it comes to Trump tbh. I just pointed out how I thought it was as much the media's fault as anything, which I still believe. There is nothing wrong with posting a comment like that. If you're worried about this thread going OT start a new thread yourself.

There's a difference between lighthearted bragging and seriously claiming that Texas is geographically bigger than Alaska. Texans are proud, but they aren't delusional. Usually. As I stated before, the actual subject of the lie wasn't very important. I was only using that as an example, because it very clearly portrays his character. There are many, many more examples.

You can continue to say that it was the media's fault, but I am utterly baffled as to why you believe it. They did not force or trick Trump into lying. It's not their fault that he lied. It's Trump's fault that Trump lied. I have no idea why it would be anyone else's fault. This isn't complicated logic.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7796 on: March 08, 2018, 09:42:56 PM »
You just don't like that your precious double-stuffed oompa-loompa is taking flak for it.

I just love seeing totes post about Trump. He is like a 6 year old, just mad and snorting. There was one post I wish I could remember where it is on this thread where I swore he had to have broken a few letters off his keyboard​ or cracked the screen on his phone while red on the face.

I laughed hard but not from the content, but from imagining him actually typing it out and his condition.

You are welcome to imagine me however you want, but I was actually chuckling when I wrote that. Double-stuffed oompa-loompa is a keeper! lol. I crack myself up.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7797 on: March 09, 2018, 05:37:28 AM »
To add to Tote's misgivings about Trump crowd lie, it's actually a pretty significant deal. The subject of it is inconsequential, but the lie itself is huge simply because of what he is lying about. If a president will tell a lie about something as miniscule as his crowd size, what makes you believe he will tell the truth about anything? I'm trained in investigation techniques, the one thing repeated by every instructor has been someone willing to lie about small things has no problem lying about big things.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7798 on: March 10, 2018, 12:50:55 AM »
To add to Tote's misgivings about Trump crowd lie, it's actually a pretty significant deal. The subject of it is inconsequential, but the lie itself is huge simply because of what he is lying about. If a president will tell a lie about something as miniscule as his crowd size, what makes you believe he will tell the truth about anything? I'm trained in investigation techniques, the one thing repeated by every instructor has been someone willing to lie about small things has no problem lying about big things.

The lying will turn out to be the least of Trump's character flaws,  it's his corruption and money laundering that will eventually take him down.

 
Stop gilding the pickle, you demisexual aromantic homoflexible snowflake.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #7799 on: March 10, 2018, 04:02:24 AM »
Politicians lie about small things all the time. Most politicians take care to tell lies they can get away with because they can't easily be confirmed as a lie by the public. They often use carefully crafted statements to accomplish this.

Trump's comments about the crowd size were not worse in a moral sense, just stupider.
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