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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6360 on: January 27, 2018, 07:48:26 PM »
Trump has disclosed highly classified information on tv,  why aren't you demanding he be locked up?

The President owns all information gathered, collected or produced by any agency under control of the Executive Branch.

The President does not need permission from anyone to disseminate that information.
Perhaps not, but he does need at least half a brain to disseminate that information responsibly.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6361 on: January 27, 2018, 07:56:32 PM »
Out of 30,000 emails handed over to the state department only two three were ever considered to be marked as containing classified information,

No classified documents were ever stored on her private servers. 


I'll let you two figure this one out.   ;)

So you still don't understand the difference between a classified document and an email that is marked classified. 
Are you saying that emails are not documents?

Not quite,  emails are documents of course but not "Classified Documents"

Classified documents can only be accessed on a classified networks,  and generally not able to be emailed.

Discussion of classified material in emails,  ( not the document itself )  requires the use of an email header indicating the classification, none of the Clinton emails had a classified header, although there were three emails ( out of 30,000 )  that contained classified discussions marked in the body of the text as (c) confidential ( the lowest level of classification) but not correctly marked in the header.  And there is debate over the classification anyway.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6362 on: January 27, 2018, 08:21:24 PM »
Not quite,  emails are documents of course but not "Classified Documents"

Classified documents can only be accessed on a classified networks,  and generally not able to be emailed.


So why was classified material in her email? Even if it were only a small percentage?

If it were regular people in rolls reversed, we would get nailed to the cross over this.

Certainly not a "silly rabbit, classified stuff doesn't go there"..

And certainly not a slap on the wrist when we destroy evidence when specifically told not to. Not just "delete" but actually destroy, white wash and even use hammers.

Lmao, your mental gymnastics to defend one of your own.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6363 on: January 27, 2018, 08:22:15 PM »
Out of 30,000 emails handed over to the state department only two three were ever considered to be marked as containing classified information,

No classified documents were ever stored on her private servers. 


I'll let you two figure this one out.   ;)

So you still don't understand the difference between a classified document and an email that is marked classified. 
Are you saying that emails are not documents?

Not quite,  emails are documents of course but not "Classified Documents"

Classified documents can only accessed on a classified networks,  and generally not able to be emailed.

Discussion of classified material in emails,  ( not the document itself )  requires the use of an email header indicating the classification, none of the Clinton emails had a classified header, although there were three emails ( out of 30,000 )  that contained classified discussions marked in the body of the test as (c) confidential ( the lowest level of classification) but not correctly marked in the header.  And there is debate over the classification anyway.

The information contained within the email document determines whether or not the document is classified. It does not matter where or how or who manufactured the document.

The responsibility to know the sensitivity of the information contained within the email document is that of the creator of said document. There is no extra step required to have the email document reviewed and it's level of classification determined.

Even if the creator of the email document is too stupid to comprehend the sensitivity of the information contained within the document, it is still not an excuse.

You are arguing that she was either inept or ignorant.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6364 on: January 27, 2018, 08:48:14 PM »
Not quite,  emails are documents of course but not "Classified Documents"

Classified documents can only be accessed on a classified networks,  and generally not able to be emailed.


So why was classified material in her email? Even if it were only a small percentage?

If it were regular people in rolls reversed, we would get nailed to the cross over this.

Certainly not a "silly rabbit, classified stuff doesn't go there"..

And certainly not a slap on the wrist when we destroy evidence when specifically told not to. Not just "delete" but actually destroy, white wash and even use hammers.

Lmao, your mental gymnastics to defend one of your own.

Someone sent it to her,  but with the wrong header.   

As far as deleting emails,  that's not consistent with the facts. 

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In late 2014, the State Department asked Clinton and other former secretaries of state to hand over any work-related emails they may have.

By then, Clinton had already "deleted some [emails] over time as an ordinary user would," FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers at a July congressional hearing.

And she tasked her legal team to determine which of the roughly 60,000 emails still on her server were work-related.

"Clinton told the FBI that she directed her legal team to provide any work-related or arguably work-related emails to State; however she did not participate in the development of the specific process to be used or in discussions of the locations of where her emails might exist," the FBI concluded in its investigative summary of the case.

Comey testified that the FBI "didn't find any evidence of evil intent and intent to obstruct justice."

To determine which emails were work-related, a member of Clinton’s legal team did four things: she automatically deemed any email sent from or to a .gov and .mil address as related to work; she searched the tens of thousands of emails for names of senior State Department officials, lawmakers, foreign leaders and other government officials; she conducted a keyword search for work-related terms; and she looked at the sender, recipient and "subject" of every email for other potentially work-related emails, but she did not read the contents of those emails.

In December 2014, Clinton’s legal team provided about 30,000 emails -- totaling 55,000 pages -- to the State Department.

"[Clinton] then was asked by her lawyers at the end, 'Do you want us to keep the personal emails?' And she said, 'I have no use for them anymore.' It's then that they issued the direction that the technical people delete them," Comey told lawmakers.

In total, more than 30,000 emails were deleted "because they were personal and private about matters that I believed were within the scope of my personal privacy," Clinton told reporters in March of 2015, as the controversy around her private emails was growing.

"They had nothing to do with work," Clinton added. "I didn't see any reason to keep them ... no one wants their personal emails made public, and I think most people understand that and respect that privacy."

Clinton said her team "went through a thorough process" to identify work-related emails, and she said he had "absolute confidence that everything that could be in any way connected to work is now in the possession of the State Department."

The instruction that the personal emails could be deleted was given in December,   the people managing the server,  Platt River Networks,  were responsible for deleting them,  not Clinton.
The fact that they didn't do it straight away is not her problem.

As I've already said,  Colin Powell didn't hand over any emails, and he used an AOL account for the time he was Secretary of State,  and Mike Pence is still using his AOL account for official business.   



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6365 on: January 27, 2018, 08:55:51 PM »
Out of 30,000 emails handed over to the state department only two three were ever considered to be marked as containing classified information,

No classified documents were ever stored on her private servers. 


I'll let you two figure this one out.   ;)That's not what is being said,  how do you know if something is classified or not?   Unless it's marked as classified you don't. 


So you still don't understand the difference between a classified document and an email that is marked classified. 
Are you saying that emails are not documents?

Not quite,  emails are documents of course but not "Classified Documents"

Classified documents can only accessed on a classified networks,  and generally not able to be emailed.

Discussion of classified material in emails,  ( not the document itself )  requires the use of an email header indicating the classification, none of the Clinton emails had a classified header, although there were three emails ( out of 30,000 )  that contained classified discussions marked in the body of the test as (c) confidential ( the lowest level of classification) but not correctly marked in the header.  And there is debate over the classification anyway.

The information contained within the email document determines whether or not the document is classified. It does not matter where or how or who manufactured the document.

The responsibility to know the sensitivity of the information contained within the email document is that of the creator of said document. There is no extra step required to have the email document reviewed and it's level of classification determined.

Even if the creator of the email document is too stupid to comprehend the sensitivity of the information contained within the document, it is still not an excuse.

That's not what is being said,  how do you know if something is classified or not?   Unless it's marked as classified you don't.  As the evidence already says, they were at pains NOT to discuss information they considered classified.

You are arguing that she was either inept or ignorant.

No, I think she shouldn't have used a private server,  but I suspect that wouldn't have changed the content of any emails.

Neither are requirements to constitute a crime.

Agreed.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6366 on: January 27, 2018, 09:09:13 PM »

The instruction that the personal emails could be deleted was given in December,
 

By whom?




the people managing the server,  Platt River Networks,  were responsible for deleting them,  not Clinton.


The fact they existed on her personal server is the crime.




As I've already said,  Colin Powell didn't hand over any emails, and he used an AOL account for the time he was Secretary of State,  and Mike Pence is still using his AOL account for official business. 
 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6367 on: January 27, 2018, 09:19:29 PM »

The instruction that the personal emails could be deleted was given in December,
 

By whom?

Clinton.



the people managing the server,  Platt River Networks,  were responsible for deleting them,  not Clinton.


The fact they existed on her personal server is the crime.

Nope.  Clinton has said that her use of personal email was in compliance with federal laws and State Department regulations


As I've already said,  Colin Powell didn't hand over any emails, and he used an AOL account for the time he was Secretary of State,  and Mike Pence is still using his AOL account for official business. 
 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6368 on: January 27, 2018, 09:25:34 PM »
While we are discussing emails and Trumps blabbbermouth approach to security.

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Last Monday, the New York Times reported that at least six members of President Trump’s White House team used private email accounts to discuss government business.

According to the Times and a separate report by Politico this week, the president’s son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, along with daughter and adviser Ivanka Trump, former chief strategist Stephen Bannon, former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, and advisers Stephen Miller and Gary Cohn, used personal email accounts to conduct White House business.

Hillary Clinton called this the “height of hypocrisy,” since Trump spent much of his campaign calling for her to be locked up for her use of a private email server while serving as secretary of state.

But is it actually illegal for White House staffers to use private email to conduct government work? I reached out to seven legal experts and asked for clarification.

Most agree that we don’t know enough to draw any definitive conclusions. But former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti told me it could be “a violation of a non-criminal law called the Presidential Records Act unless they forwarded all of the private emails to their public accounts within 20 days.”

That 20-day mark will become extremely significant if the reports are proven accurate. If private email correspondence was forwarded to public accounts within this window, there is virtually no chance of criminal charges. If not, everyone above could face legal issues.

Another potential crime has to do with the sharing of classified information. According to Lisa Kern Griffin, a law professor at Duke University, “If classified information was transmitted over personal accounts, that may have compromised national security.” Since we don’t yet know what was discussed on these private emails, this remains an open question.

Nearly all the experts agreed on at least one non-legal point: If there were a law against hypocrisy, the Trump administration would be guilty a hundred times over. And while that may not result in legal issues, it ought to be a political problem for an administration already awash in scandals.

Jared Kushner was asked by Congress to ensure his email records were being kept as required by the Presidential Records Act,  he responded by moving all his email to a Trump private server, and refused to comply.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/10/03/exclusive-jared-kushners-personal-email-moved-trump-organization-computers-amid-public-scrutiny/728467001/

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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., Thursday asked Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner to explain why, if reports are true, they moved emails from their private accounts to Trump Organization servers and to charge them with preserving any messages related to government business.
The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of which Cummings is the ranking Democrat, previously had told the president's daughter and son-in-law not to move the emails.
“If these reports are accurate, they raise serious questions about your actions,” Cummings wrote in letters to the couple. "Although there may be legitimate reasons for transferring email accounts to different servers, neither you nor anyone from the White House contacted the Committee before you took these steps, despite the fact that you had received our letters before you reportedly took these actions."
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6369 on: January 27, 2018, 10:28:51 PM »
What other people are doing has no bearing on what Hillary did.

If other people are breaking the law they need to be punished​ too.

Hillary admitted to what she did and destroying evidence...she can use whatever excuse she needs it doesn't change the fact of what she did or however liberals try to spin it to remove some of her guilt.

If she were a normal personal like any of us, she would be in jail, simple as that.

The bigger question​ is what was in her "private" emails she had to delete so bad. I could only imagine with how shady she is.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6370 on: January 27, 2018, 10:40:18 PM »
What other people are doing has no bearing on what Hillary did.

If other people are breaking the law they need to be punished​ too.

Hillary admitted to what she did and destroying evidence...she can use whatever excuse she needs it doesn't change the fact of what she did or however liberals try to spin it to remove some of her guilt.

If she were a normal personal like any of us, she would be in jail, simple as that.

The bigger question​ is what was in her "private" emails she had to delete so bad. I could only imagine with how shady she is.

Did you ever consider the possibility she is innocent and that's why she has never been charged?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6371 on: January 27, 2018, 10:40:54 PM »
If she did something illegal, why wouldn't she just be brought in front of a court?
Or has that already happened and the court said she's innocent?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6372 on: January 27, 2018, 11:05:29 PM »
If she did something illegal, why wouldn't she just be brought in front of a court?
Or has that already happened and the court said she's innocent?

She's kryptonite to the republican right,  just mention her name and you can see the red mist rising in their eyes.   

Try as they might, even inventing lies and distort the truth about her email,  they can't escape the truth, and the truth is she did nothing illegal.

That pisses them off to the extent that they start frothing at the mouth and inventing all kinds of weird conspiracies.  Which just makes them look even more deranged.

What I find interesting is that despite all the intense scrutiny and hatred, most Hillary haters are actually almost completely ignorant of the law and the facts.   

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« Reply #6373 on: January 27, 2018, 11:11:35 PM »
If she did something illegal, why wouldn't she just be brought in front of a court?
Or has that already happened and the court said she's innocent?

She's kryptonite to the republican right,  just mention her name and you can see the red mist rising in their eyes.   

Try as they might, even inventing lies and distort the truth about her email,  they can't escape the truth, and the truth is she did nothing illegal.

That pisses them off to the extent that they start frothing at the mouth and inventing all kinds of weird conspiracies.  Which just makes them look even more deranged.

What I find interesting is that despite all the intense scrutiny and hatred, most Hillary haters are actually almost completely ignorant of the law and the facts.

The funny thing is, you could change Trump for Hillary in this post and you would have the typical liberal lol.

I could care less about Hillary, just didn't want her to be president. I think it's funny she admitted to breaking the law, but liberals refuse to admit it.

She will never be punished for anything and I don't care, her and people like her are forever protected.

The only thing I really wonder is what content actually was in those emails she had to get rid of. I wonder what she had up her sleeve...as much as I didn't want her to be president, she is quite intelligent and scandalous.

Even when she screwed Bernie liberals put their hands in their pockets and just whistled.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6374 on: January 27, 2018, 11:26:31 PM »
Even when she screwed Bernie liberals put their hands in their pockets and just whistled.

You spew a lot of bullshit, and I don't feel like getting into the same dumb Hillary debate for the 12th time... but this is just incredibly incorrect. A ton of people were furious about this. In fact, it's probably one of the major reasons why Trump actually won.

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« Reply #6375 on: January 27, 2018, 11:40:07 PM »
Even when she screwed Bernie liberals put their hands in their pockets and just whistled.

You spew a lot of bullshit, and I don't feel like getting into the same dumb Hillary debate for the 12th time... but this is just incredibly incorrect. A ton of people were furious about this. In fact, it's probably one of the major reasons why Trump actually won.

If there were where did they vent this at? Mainstream certainly didn't report it, just a quick little blurb for a few days then it vanished....

Have I over triggered you tonight or are you just a bit crabby? This is the second reply to one of my posts where I can visualize you slightly red in the face.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6376 on: January 27, 2018, 11:48:29 PM »
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She will never be punished for anything and I don't care, her and people like her are forever protected
Doesn't seem like you don't care to be honest...

Also, you'd better jump back into the evolution debate, it's way more productive than the hillary bs.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6377 on: January 27, 2018, 11:52:09 PM »
If there were where did they vent this at? Mainstream certainly didn't report it, just a quick little blurb for a few days then it vanished....

Pretty much any forum and social media outlet that had a pro Bernie subset of people. I don't remember what the overall reaction was by news outlets.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6378 on: January 28, 2018, 12:03:54 AM »
If there were where did they vent this at? Mainstream certainly didn't report it, just a quick little blurb for a few days then it vanished....

Pretty much any forum and social media outlet that had a pro Bernie subset of people. I don't remember what the overall reaction was by news outlets.

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Have I over triggered you tonight or are you just a bit crabby? This is the second reply to one of my posts where I can visualize you slightly red in the face.

I'm just excited about the Prophecy.

Are you missing dispute? Is that why you keep bringing him up?

The reaction in the news outlets (except fox) was just a big nothing burger and couldn't stop talking about it fast enough. However, it it were Trump or if Bernie did it, they would go on for half a year.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6379 on: January 28, 2018, 12:44:36 AM »
The reaction in the news outlets (except fox) was just a big nothing burger and couldn't stop talking about it fast enough. However, it it were Trump or if Bernie did it, they would go on for half a year.

Simple question, I'd appreciate an honest answer.   Why do you hate Hillary so much?    I'm aware that there has been a relentless campaign over many years to demonize her, but I'd have thought you could see that for the propaganda  that it is.

So what's the big thing about Hillary?
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« Reply #6380 on: January 28, 2018, 01:09:18 AM »
The reaction in the news outlets (except fox) was just a big nothing burger and couldn't stop talking about it fast enough. However, it it were Trump or if Bernie did it, they would go on for half a year.

Simple question, I'd appreciate an honest answer.   Why do you hate Hillary so much?    I'm aware that there has been a relentless campaign over many years to demonize her, but I'd have thought you could see that for the propaganda  that it is.

So what's the big thing about Hillary?

I have answered this before. She is smart, resilient, black hearted, doesn't mind getting her hands dirty etc etc.

I don't like her because of the agenda she has and she would have got it done if president. She isn't president and doubt she will attempt to run in 2020, so she really isn't on my radar anymore.

Though I am fully aware she is still in play to special interest and foreign powers mainly playing through the "foundation".
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6381 on: January 29, 2018, 06:18:06 AM »
If there were where did they vent this at? Mainstream certainly didn't report it, just a quick little blurb for a few days then it vanished....

Pretty much any forum and social media outlet that had a pro Bernie subset of people. I don't remember what the overall reaction was by news outlets.

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Have I over triggered you tonight or are you just a bit crabby? This is the second reply to one of my posts where I can visualize you slightly red in the face.

I'm just excited about the Prophecy.

Are you missing dispute? Is that why you keep bringing him up?

The reaction in the news outlets (except fox) was just a big nothing burger and couldn't stop talking about it fast enough. However, it it were Trump or if Bernie did it, they would go on for half a year.
There were plenty of stories leading up to the election about Bernie supporters seeking another outlet because they couldn't stand Hillary for what happened to Bernie.  Most of my Bernie supporting friends chose 3rd party over voting for Clinton, in large part because of the stuff pulled by the DNC and Clinton.

You have distorted memories of the election because of your hatred for Clinton. If she hadn't screwed Bernie over and had won the Democratic nomination fairly, you would be saying President Clinton right now.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6382 on: January 29, 2018, 07:30:59 AM »
If there were where did they vent this at? Mainstream certainly didn't report it, just a quick little blurb for a few days then it vanished....

Pretty much any forum and social media outlet that had a pro Bernie subset of people. I don't remember what the overall reaction was by news outlets.

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Have I over triggered you tonight or are you just a bit crabby? This is the second reply to one of my posts where I can visualize you slightly red in the face.

I'm just excited about the Prophecy.

Are you missing dispute? Is that why you keep bringing him up?

The reaction in the news outlets (except fox) was just a big nothing burger and couldn't stop talking about it fast enough. However, it it were Trump or if Bernie did it, they would go on for half a year.
There were plenty of stories leading up to the election about Bernie supporters seeking another outlet because they couldn't stand Hillary for what happened to Bernie.  Most of my Bernie supporting friends chose 3rd party over voting for Clinton, in large part because of the stuff pulled by the DNC and Clinton.

You have distorted memories of the election because of your hatred for Clinton. If she hadn't screwed Bernie over and had won the Democratic nomination fairly, you would be saying President Clinton right now.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6383 on: January 29, 2018, 08:23:33 AM »
Election night was one of the top 5 happiest moments of my life.
That sucks.
I wouldn't want to switch my life with yours  :-\
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« Reply #6384 on: January 29, 2018, 08:24:56 AM »
Yeah, that's pretty sad. lol
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« Reply #6385 on: January 29, 2018, 08:28:12 AM »
I'd say the happiest day of my life was when the Saints won the superbowl, and the second was when they beat the Vikings to get there.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6386 on: January 29, 2018, 08:41:43 AM »
I'd say the happiest day of my life was when the Saints won the superbowl, and the second was when they beat the Vikings to get there.

The Vikings should be in the super bowl this year.

As for election night...it was pretty epic! All the mainstream media that said Trump had 0 chance at winning sitting their with a look of dread....mission failed, having to eat their words, make excuses, come could not even speak, some cried lol...

Once the MSM was shown for the biased shit show they really are during the election, it was fantastic punishment.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6387 on: January 29, 2018, 08:51:15 AM »
I'd say the happiest day of my life was when the Saints won the superbowl, and the second was when they beat the Vikings to get there.

The Vikings should be in the super bowl this year.

As for election night...it was pretty epic! All the mainstream media that said Trump had 0 chance at winning sitting their with a look of dread....mission failed, having to eat their words, make excuses, come could not even speak, some cried lol...

Once the MSM was shown for the biased shit show they really are during the election, it was fantastic punishment.

My Saints should be in the Super Bowl this year.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6388 on: January 29, 2018, 08:57:19 AM »
I'd say the happiest day of my life was when the Saints won the superbowl, and the second was when they beat the Vikings to get there.

The Vikings should be in the super bowl this year.

As for election night...it was pretty epic! All the mainstream media that said Trump had 0 chance at winning sitting their with a look of dread....mission failed, having to eat their words, make excuses, come could not even speak, some cried lol...

Once the MSM was shown for the biased shit show they really are during the election, it was fantastic punishment.
So now we are equating a 13%~ chance of winning with 0%? Also, Trump's margin of victory came down to a few tens of thousands of votes between the states, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania if I'm not mistaken.

You need to start being a little more intellectually honest in your discussions on here.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6389 on: January 29, 2018, 09:06:54 AM »
I'd say the happiest day of my life was when the Saints won the superbowl, and the second was when they beat the Vikings to get there.

The Vikings should be in the super bowl this year.

As for election night...it was pretty epic! All the mainstream media that said Trump had 0 chance at winning sitting their with a look of dread....mission failed, having to eat their words, make excuses, come could not even speak, some cried lol...

Once the MSM was shown for the biased shit show they really are during the election, it was fantastic punishment.
So now we are equating a 13%~ chance of winning with 0%? Also, Trump's margin of victory came down to a few tens of thousands of votes between the states, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania if I'm not mistaken.

You need to start being a little more intellectually honest in your discussions on here.

And just think how much Hillary owes to all the people that contributed to her campaign who were promised big favors when she wins. :)
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