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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5640 on: December 26, 2017, 06:18:41 PM »
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The American people are starting to wake up to how badly they have been conned.    Pity so many are too dumb to see what's happened. 


Why was everyone fooled but you?

The majority of Americans weren't fooled.  But enough were.


Can you think of any other reason?

He's a very good showman,  and a lot of people wanted a maverick "non-politician" who would "drain the swamp"  and "make america great again"

You can't blame people for being conned,  but now that it's obvious he's lied his way into office, and installed his own menagerie of swamp creatures, if should becoming obvious, they got taken for a ride.


Then your answer is 'no'.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5641 on: December 26, 2017, 06:48:15 PM »
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The American people are starting to wake up to how badly they have been conned.    Pity so many are too dumb to see what's happened. 


Why was everyone fooled but you?

The majority of Americans weren't fooled.  But enough were.


Can you think of any other reason?

He's a very good showman,  and a lot of people wanted a maverick "non-politician" who would "drain the swamp"  and "make america great again"

You can't blame people for being conned,  but now that it's obvious he's lied his way into office, and installed his own menagerie of swamp creatures, if should becoming obvious, they got taken for a ride.


Then your answer is 'no'.

You asked for a reason,  I gave you mine,  what's yours?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5642 on: December 26, 2017, 06:55:16 PM »
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The American people are starting to wake up to how badly they have been conned.    Pity so many are too dumb to see what's happened. 


Why was everyone fooled but you?

The majority of Americans weren't fooled.  But enough were.


Can you think of any other reason?

He's a very good showman,  and a lot of people wanted a maverick "non-politician" who would "drain the swamp"  and "make america great again"

You can't blame people for being conned,  but now that it's obvious he's lied his way into office, and installed his own menagerie of swamp creatures, if should becoming obvious, they got taken for a ride.


Then your answer is 'no'.

You asked for a reason,  I gave you mine,  what's yours?


I asked if you could think of another reason.
You reiterated your original opinion.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5643 on: December 26, 2017, 07:08:27 PM »
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The American people are starting to wake up to how badly they have been conned.    Pity so many are too dumb to see what's happened. 


Why was everyone fooled but you?

The majority of Americans weren't fooled.  But enough were.


Can you think of any other reason?

He's a very good showman,  and a lot of people wanted a maverick "non-politician" who would "drain the swamp"  and "make america great again"

You can't blame people for being conned,  but now that it's obvious he's lied his way into office, and installed his own menagerie of swamp creatures, if should becoming obvious, they got taken for a ride.


Then your answer is 'no'.

You asked for a reason,  I gave you mine,  what's yours?


I asked if you could think of another reason.
You reiterated your original opinion.

No, I stated several reasons why people could have been fooled,  that wasn't reiteration.  You haven't stated your opinion as yet.

I'm guessing you are still in the camp that believes his bullshit.  Please tell me I'm wrong.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5644 on: December 26, 2017, 07:21:16 PM »
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The American people are starting to wake up to how badly they have been conned.    Pity so many are too dumb to see what's happened. 


Why was everyone fooled but you?

The majority of Americans weren't fooled.  But enough were.


Can you think of any other reason?

He's a very good showman,  and a lot of people wanted a maverick "non-politician" who would "drain the swamp"  and "make america great again"

You can't blame people for being conned,  but now that it's obvious he's lied his way into office, and installed his own menagerie of swamp creatures, if should becoming obvious, they got taken for a ride.


Then your answer is 'no'.

You asked for a reason,  I gave you mine,  what's yours?


I asked if you could think of another reason.
You reiterated your original opinion.

No, I stated several reasons why people could have been fooled,  that wasn't reiteration.  You haven't stated your opinion as yet.

I'm guessing you are still in the camp that believes his bullshit.  Please tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5645 on: December 26, 2017, 07:42:21 PM »
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Quote from: Rayzor on December 26, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
I'm guessing you are still in the camp that believes his bullshit.  Please tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

LOL.  I should have known you wouldn't be fooled.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5646 on: December 26, 2017, 07:46:56 PM »
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Quote from: Rayzor on December 26, 2017, 07:08:27 PM
I'm guessing you are still in the camp that believes his bullshit.  Please tell me I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

LOL.  I should have known you wouldn't be fooled.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5647 on: December 27, 2017, 01:32:00 AM »
Moose, don't mind Rayzor, he is a complete idiot.

Also, Rayzor, you should actually RESEARCH Trump's history, not just read titles off of CNN headlines (as we all know you like to do and get all your "wisdom" from)..

He hit a sector in the new York market during his earlier years that most did not think was there, he made a ton off of that. You don't make billions off of "scamming investors", and you especially do not build a net worth.

Yes there are people saying he didn't pay them, however, any large entity will have those accusations. I also do not doubt there are some unpaid, though that does not take what he has done away. I have many issues with Trump, but I have to give credit where it is due.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5648 on: December 27, 2017, 01:48:24 AM »
Oh, I love Rayzor.


There's several axiom in business.

* It's not what you do, it's how you sell it.
* If you are not losing 20% of jobs by over-bidding, your price is too low.
* Always shift performance penalties onto your subs.
* Use O-P-M (other people's money).


there's more . . .
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5649 on: December 27, 2017, 01:58:08 AM »
Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 27, 2017, 01:48:24 AM
There's several axiom in business.

* It's not what you do, it's how you sell it.
* If you are not losing 20% of jobs by over-bidding, your price is too low.
* Always shift performance penalties onto your subs.
* Use O-P-M (other people's money).


there's more . . .

Well done moose...your years and experience are showing.

Though, sadly, these tidbits will go over Rayzor's head (as most things do)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5650 on: December 27, 2017, 02:23:06 AM »
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Though, sadly, these tidbits will go over Rayzor's head (as most things do)

Well, chief,  that just shows you need to get out more, and learn the truth about Trump,  let's leave Trump University,  Trump Chicago, and all the other failures, and just look at the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic city,  he boasted that he made millions out of Atlantic City,  what he didn't say is he shafted his workers,  his investors and basically screwed himself so badly in the process, no one would even touch him with a 40ft pole.   That was until Deutsche Bank got him into their money laundering schemes.

There are dozens and dozens of other examples of Trump's bad management and con man tactics.   But I doubt you can handle the truth.

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They say that in the casino business the house always win. Not so for the house Donald Trump built.

According to documents made public on Tuesday, the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City sold for 4 cents on the dollar, changing hands from billionaire investor Carl Icahn to Florida’s Seminole Indians.

They paid $US50 million for it. The hotel, which Trump called “the 8th wonder of the world” back in the 1990s, cost $US1.2 billion to build.

Icahn blew $US100 million trying to revive the property before throwing in the towel back in August. Trump bankrupted the property twice as part of his public casino holding company Trump Entertainment Resorts.

Fool me once

The property first went bankrupt in 2009, just a few days after both Donald and Ivanka resigned from the board, citing “internal turmoil” due to the casino’s poor financial performance.

Of course, the Trumps were still debt holders in the company and had a say in the bankruptcy proceedings. To make a long story short, two plans were presented to the court. One, championed by Icahn, would clear the company’s balance sheet of $US334 million in debt. Then the company would spend $US15 million rebranding the casinos.

The other, championed by the Trumps and other debt holders, would reorganise the company with that debt still on the books. Creditors like the Trumps would make out better, though, and there was another added bonus — the casinos would get to use the Trump brand.

The court, citing the value of having the Trump name on the property, went with the latter plan, and the casinos got to use the Ivanka and Donald Trump brand and likeness free of royalties. Sort of.

“No payments were made to the Trump Parties during 2010 under the Trademark Licence Agreement nor were any payments made to Mr. Trump under the previous trademark licence agreement during 2009 or 2010,” the company said in government documents in 2011.

Fool me twice

The reality of the Trumps’ arrangement with the casino was a little bit more complicated than that. The casino ended up spending a ton of money on Trump products, including about a quarter of a million dollars for Trump-branded water in both 2009 and 2010, filings show. Those payments, however, went to third-party vendors — to whoever it is that gets a cut of that particular piece of the Trump brand — and through them into the Trump universe.

From the filing:

“In the normal course of business, we engage in various transactions with other entities owned by the Trump Parties. We engaged in the following transactions: $US47,000 and $US79,000 for leasing certain office space in Trump Tower in Manhattan during 2010 and 2009, respectively; $US3,000 and $US77,000 for the periodic use of Mr. Trump’s aeroplane and golf courses to entertain high-end customers during 2010 and 2009, respectively; and $US33,000 in helicopter lease payments during 2010.

“Additionally, in the ordinary course of business during 2010 and 2009, we purchased from third party vendors $US405,000 and $US500,000, respectively, of Trump labelled merchandise, including $US271,000 and $US277,000, respectively, for Trump Ice bottled water served to our customers. While we do not directly pay royalties on such merchandise to Mr. Trump, he may be entitled to royalties from these third party vendors.”

Trump Entertainment Resorts was not long for this world after that. Again sidled with debt and unable to make ends meet, the casinos went back into bankruptcy a few years later. In 2015, the Trumps sued to have their name taken off the casinos. They argued that the fact that the casinos had fallen into “disrepair” was a violation of the licensing agreement.

“The Trump name … has become synonymous with the highest levels of quality, luxury, prestige, and success,” the Trumps argued in their complaint.

This time, a judge disagreed with them. The Trumps lost that case, and the name stayed. The Trump Taj Mahal eventually ended up in Icahn’s hands after the 2015 bankruptcy process, and the Trumps lost their 10% stake.

That’s how you bankrupt a casino twice.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5651 on: December 27, 2017, 04:56:34 AM »
Here is the flip side of the coin:

*The boss is an idiot
*The boss is made of money
*The boss is greedy
*The boss can't do my job


We had a minor uprising once. The shop wanted profit sharing.
I got stuck in charge of that shit.

After a couple of days I called everyone to audience. I stood on a workbench.

"We are willing to offer profit and loss sharing."


They were thoroughly disappointed.   :(







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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5652 on: December 27, 2017, 06:16:49 AM »
All you need to know about Trump's business dealings is he lead a casino to bankruptcy. A figurative cash printing machine which was financially unstable. How someone can actually pull that off is beyond me.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5653 on: December 27, 2017, 06:38:18 AM »
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All you need to know about Trump's business dealings is he lead a casino to bankruptcy. A figurative cash printing machine which was financially unstable. How someone can actually pull that off is beyond me.

I know, right? Totally beyond your understanding.

Bidness 101:  Customers = income

Do you think only Trump Casino went tits up?
It was the whole local economy that went dry.

Investors knew the risk when they put up their money.
They made money for a while. If they were savvy, they came out OK.

Don't pretend like you know how business works.
It just makes you look foolish.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5654 on: December 27, 2017, 06:41:47 AM »
When the US is bankrupt in 3 years, Trump has done a bad job again. Maybe he lends you his bankruptcy lawyer.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5655 on: December 27, 2017, 07:02:32 AM »
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When the US is bankrupt in 3 years, Trump has done a bad job again. Maybe he lends you his bankruptcy lawyer.

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« Reply #5656 on: December 27, 2017, 07:07:21 AM »
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When the US is bankrupt in 3 years, Trump has done a bad job again. Maybe he lends you his bankruptcy lawyer.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5657 on: December 27, 2017, 07:36:04 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5659 on: December 27, 2017, 09:26:08 AM »
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« Reply #5660 on: December 27, 2017, 09:33:17 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5661 on: December 27, 2017, 09:42:24 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5662 on: December 27, 2017, 09:43:26 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5663 on: December 27, 2017, 09:57:20 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5664 on: December 27, 2017, 10:05:53 AM »
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Da sieht man es wieder: Die Plebejer können weder richtig nachdenken, noch deutsch sprechen!
Du mußt noch viel lernen um wie ein rassereiner Patrizier zu klingen.
Bist du von Deutschland?
Nö, ich bin ein holländisch-malaysischer Bastard.
Bist du auch dafür, dass wir die deutsche Sprache in dieses Forum als Hauptsprache einführen?
Klar, Mensch! Und dann machen wir Schluß mit der Flacherderei und bringen die Welteislehre zurück an die Öffentlichkeit!
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Bullwinkle

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5665 on: December 27, 2017, 10:08:53 AM »
bratwurst
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Pezevenk

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5666 on: December 27, 2017, 10:14:02 AM »
Halt die Klappe.
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It is not a scientific fact, it is a scientific fuck!
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Read a bit psicology and stick your imo to where it comes from
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FalseProphet

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5667 on: December 27, 2017, 10:18:41 AM »
Das ging aber schnell. Ist das der Endsieg der deutschen Sprache?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5668 on: December 27, 2017, 10:26:34 AM »
Oh ja, das beste ist aber, dass Nazis wie BHS dem deutschen Sprache nicht mächtig sind - ganz schön ironisch  ;D ;D ;D
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Bullwinkle

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #5669 on: December 27, 2017, 10:29:40 AM »
Eine kleine nachtmusik
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