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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3600 on: September 25, 2017, 09:51:14 AM »
I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.
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« Reply #3601 on: September 25, 2017, 10:20:17 AM »
I would call it a low-class move regardless of who they are protesting.  I'm no fan of Trump; nor was I a fan of Obama, and I would have felt the same during his presidency.

I just think they're way off target here.  I think Kaepernick (he was the one who started it right?) is wrong in his assessment of race relations in this country, and I thought his "protest" was frankly stupid (most protests are, when it comes down to it).  But I support his right to do it, and if he really believes what he believes (however incorrect I might think it to be), then at least the protest sort of makes sense.

However what happened yesterday seemed to be the league circling the wagons around the initially few protesting players, specifically protesting Trump because he criticized them.  This is the case where I feel disrespecting the country as a whole over a grudge with Trump is disproportionate and way off-target.

It should go without saying that I would in no way prefer violent or destructive actions.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3602 on: September 25, 2017, 11:03:08 AM »
The events of this weekend seemed more like the players around the league showing solidarity with the initial few protesters to let them know they aren't going it alone and have support throughout the league.  It also seemed to be kind of a show of force by saying "you'll have to get rid of all of us if you want to go down that road."

So it was directed toward Trump, but only in the sense that he made the asinine statement they should all be fired, they being the initial kneelers.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3603 on: September 25, 2017, 11:24:34 AM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.

Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3604 on: September 25, 2017, 11:33:51 AM »
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Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)

Those are free time hobbies.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3605 on: September 25, 2017, 11:36:01 AM »
What would happen if the team sat down to protest a coach's play call?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3606 on: September 25, 2017, 12:01:18 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Sometimes when the president does dumb nonsense like this people accuse him of intentionally distracting the public from something horrible that he's trying to do. I usually doubt that. I think he's just a troll without a plan. This time I'm starting to think it might be intentional.
Do you think that he's trying to distract us from seeing just how badly he wants to nuke North Korea?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3607 on: September 25, 2017, 12:08:02 PM »
Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2017, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Sometimes when the president does dumb nonsense like this people accuse him of intentionally distracting the public from something horrible that he's trying to do. I usually doubt that. I think he's just a troll without a plan. This time I'm starting to think it might be intentional.
Do you think that he's trying to distract us from seeing just how badly he wants to nuke North Korea?

If this were intentional then it's an attempt to distract us from the upcoming ACA repeal attempt.  Apparently because of the way congress runs they have 5 days to get it done with a simple majority.  After that it's 60 votes which is pretty much impossible for them.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3608 on: September 25, 2017, 12:14:38 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2017, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Sometimes when the president does dumb nonsense like this people accuse him of intentionally distracting the public from something horrible that he's trying to do. I usually doubt that. I think he's just a troll without a plan. This time I'm starting to think it might be intentional.
Do you think that he's trying to distract us from seeing just how badly he wants to nuke North Korea?

If this were intentional then it's an attempt to distract us from the upcoming ACA repeal attempt.  Apparently because of the way congress runs they have 5 days to get it done with a simple majority.  After that it's 60 votes which is pretty much impossible for them.
There is no attempt to repeal DACA.  It's an executive order that can be repealed with another executive order.  It's replacing the repealed with actual legislation that's the tricky bit.  That requires Congress to actually fix one more thing that they've been dragging their feet on for a bunch of years.  You would think that immigration should be a piece of cake compared to health care and tax reforms.

You know, things that Trump campaigned on but still doesn't have a clue on how to actually fix.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3609 on: September 25, 2017, 12:18:35 PM »
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Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
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Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Sometimes when the president does dumb nonsense like this people accuse him of intentionally distracting the public from something horrible that he's trying to do. I usually doubt that. I think he's just a troll without a plan. This time I'm starting to think it might be intentional.
Do you think that he's trying to distract us from seeing just how badly he wants to nuke North Korea?

If this were intentional then it's an attempt to distract us from the upcoming ACA repeal attempt.  Apparently because of the way congress runs they have 5 days to get it done with a simple majority.  After that it's 60 votes which is pretty much impossible for them.
There is no attempt to repeal DACA.  It's an executive order that can be repealed with another executive order.  It's replacing the repealed with actual legislation that's the tricky bit.  That requires Congress to actually fix one more thing that they've been dragging their feet on for a bunch of years.  You would think that immigration should be a piece of cake compared to health care and tax reforms.

You know, things that Trump campaigned on but still doesn't have a clue on how to actually fix.

The ACA(obamacare).
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3610 on: September 25, 2017, 12:38:27 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 25, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.

Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)

The football players? I didn't know they did that.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3611 on: September 25, 2017, 12:45:33 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 25, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.

Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)

The football players? I didn't know they did that.

Yes, all of the commie pinko protesters.  Even the footballers.  Thank god they are destroying shit this time. 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3612 on: September 25, 2017, 12:46:03 PM »
The real reason Colin Kaepernick started it was because his career was going down the drain and he was becoming irrelevant so he needed something to bring him back into the forefront.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3613 on: September 25, 2017, 12:48:41 PM »
Quote from: jroa on September 25, 2017, 12:45:33 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
Quote from: jroa on September 25, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.

Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)

The football players? I didn't know they did that.

Yes, all of the commie pinko protesters.  Even the footballers.  Thank god they are destroying shit this time.



Yes, they are destroying the feels of the NFL fans.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3614 on: September 25, 2017, 01:07:34 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 12:18:35 PM
Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Quote from: markjo on September 25, 2017, 12:01:18 PM
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 08:14:03 AM
Sometimes when the president does dumb nonsense like this people accuse him of intentionally distracting the public from something horrible that he's trying to do. I usually doubt that. I think he's just a troll without a plan. This time I'm starting to think it might be intentional.
Do you think that he's trying to distract us from seeing just how badly he wants to nuke North Korea?

If this were intentional then it's an attempt to distract us from the upcoming ACA repeal attempt.  Apparently because of the way congress runs they have 5 days to get it done with a simple majority.  After that it's 60 votes which is pretty much impossible for them.
There is no attempt to repeal DACA.  It's an executive order that can be repealed with another executive order.  It's replacing the repealed with actual legislation that's the tricky bit.  That requires Congress to actually fix one more thing that they've been dragging their feet on for a bunch of years.  You would think that immigration should be a piece of cake compared to health care and tax reforms.

You know, things that Trump campaigned on but still doesn't have a clue on how to actually fix.

The ACA(obamacare).
Maybe the nuking North Korea is supposed to distract us from healthcare.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3615 on: September 25, 2017, 01:12:02 PM »
All of this smack between these two lunatics doesn't really concern me.  I remember the last two times we went to a major war.  It's really really hard to hide carrier groups converging on a country.  When that happens then I'll worry.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3616 on: September 25, 2017, 07:29:49 PM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
All of this smack between these two lunatics doesn't really concern me.  I remember the last two times we went to a major war.  It's really really hard to hide carrier groups converging on a country.  When that happens then I'll worry.
Who needs carriers when you already have all sorts of assets in South Korea, Guam and Japan?  Besides, I doubt that it would be a conventional war anyway.  Trump sounds like he's just itching to turn North Korea into a glowing parking lot.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3617 on: September 25, 2017, 07:34:51 PM »
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Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
All of this smack between these two lunatics doesn't really concern me.  I remember the last two times we went to a major war.  It's really really hard to hide carrier groups converging on a country.  When that happens then I'll worry.
Who needs carriers when you already have all sorts of assets in South Korea, Guam and Japan?  Besides, I doubt that it would be a conventional war anyway.  Trump sounds like he's just itching to turn North Korea into a glowing parking lot.

We do have a lot there but based on what I saw in iraq(following it on the news) I'd assume that to bring down the regime we'd end up throwing everything we have at them.

Trump says thing but his words seem very out of sync with what the pentagon says and does. I wonder if Trump even consults with them.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3618 on: September 25, 2017, 07:42:02 PM »
I don't think Kim Jong Un wants to commit suicide,  but in the spirit of 1984 he needs an external enemy to maintain his grip on power, Trump is the perfect enemy, every threat he makes, just makes it that much easier for Kim Jong Un to drum up support and crush any internal opposition. 

Trump is also flying blind, he has gutted the state department of it's most experienced people, and everything he does seems to be based on gut feel that his supporters want to hear,  they love his tough talk,  #MAGA.   

I worry that the Trump has zero ability to back down, whenever he is confronted with one of his lies, he doubles down and lies even more.   

That's dangerous in situations like this.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3619 on: September 25, 2017, 07:49:37 PM »
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Quote from: Space Cowgirl on September 25, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
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I really can't think of a more respectful form of protest. They're not destroying anything, they're not calling people sons o bitches, they're not getting in anyone's face and shouting. Some of them even put their hands over their hearts.

I never saw any of these super patriotic all Americans freaking out over people flying the flag upside down to protest against Obama. I feel sure that if Clinton were the president and some football players took the knee they'd be cheering.

Thank god they are not breaking windows, burning things, and beating people up this time.  ::)

The football players? I didn't know they did that.

Yes, all of the commie pinko protesters.  Even the footballers.  Thank god they are destroying shit this time.



Yes, they are destroying the feels of the NFL fans.


Sport should be above politics and both sport and poltics should keep away from each other

If you use sports as a platform to make political protests or statements, you should be ejected from the sport

This is not to say that sports players cant have political opinions... Sure they can... But keep the politics off the field and play/enjoy the friggen game.



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Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 01:12:02 PM
All of this smack between these two lunatics doesn't really concern me.  I remember the last two times we went to a major war.  It's really really hard to hide carrier groups converging on a country.  When that happens then I'll worry.
Who needs carriers when you already have all sorts of assets in South Korea, Guam and Japan?  Besides, I doubt that it would be a conventional war anyway.  Trump sounds like he's just itching to turn North Korea into a glowing parking lot.

We do have a lot there but based on what I saw in iraq(following it on the news) I'd assume that to bring down the regime we'd end up throwing everything we have at them.

Trump says thing but his words seem very out of sync with what the pentagon says and does. I wonder if Trump even consults with them.


If fighting conventionally..... I have a feeling a war on the Korean pensinula will be far from conventional.

North Korea wont play by any rules. They will happily shell millions of innocent people in Seoul who want nothing to do with Trump and Kims 'mines bigger than yours' contest. They will be happy to drop a nuke on any civilian target, fearless from the toothless UN who will only use weasel words such as 'We condemn this'

It's about time the world learned - North Korea doesn't give a fuck what you think


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3620 on: September 25, 2017, 07:51:25 PM »
I think Kim Jong is probably not a lunatic. A while back I read an article that described what it was like to be an adviser to president Bush. What stood out to me is that it's hard to give a president bad news. Partly because presidents tend to be stubborn and partly because just carrying the title of president is very awe inspiring.

I'd imagine Kim Jong has a much tougher time getting accurate information from his advisors.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3621 on: September 26, 2017, 01:11:58 AM »
Just dropping in to say.

"Eat each other."
I'd prefer we worked together tbh.

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« Reply #3622 on: September 26, 2017, 04:26:36 AM »
WTF?

Puerto Rico is devastated by successive hurricanes,  and Trump is tweeting about their debt?

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“Puerto Rico, which was already suffering from broken infrastructure & massive debt, is in deep trouble,” Trump wrote in a series of posts on Twitter.

“It’s (sic) old electrical grid, which was in terrible shape, was devastated. Much of the Island was destroyed, with billions of dollars owed to Wall Street and the banks which, sadly, must be dealt with.”

Trump did not offer a pathway for dealing with Puerto Rico’s debt. The U.S. territory, struggling with $72 billion in debt, filed the biggest government bankruptcy in U.S. history earlier this year.

Maria, the most powerful hurricane to hit Puerto Rico in nearly a century, devastated the Caribbean island when it struck the U.S. territory with ferocious winds and torrential rains last week.

Puerto Rico Governor Ricardo Rossello on Monday asked for more government aid to avert a humanitarian crisis in the island, which is home to 3.4 million people.

Puerto Rico’s government on Monday asked a judge for up to four extra weeks to meet key deadlines in its bankruptcy case after Hurricane Maria brought its fragile infrastructure to its knees.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3623 on: September 26, 2017, 06:58:02 AM »
Silly Rayzor, thinking lives actually matter. The only thing that matters is the almighty dollar.  Step 1 - Mexico wall, step 2 - Puerto Rico wall, step 3 - profit.
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« Reply #3624 on: September 26, 2017, 08:47:09 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3625 on: September 26, 2017, 08:52:52 AM »
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
I think Kim Jong is probably not a lunatic. A while back I read an article that described what it was like to be an adviser to president Bush. What stood out to me is that it's hard to give a president bad news. Partly because presidents tend to be stubborn and partly because just carrying the title of president is very awe inspiring.

I'd imagine Kim Jong has a much tougher time getting accurate information from his advisors.

You people don't get it: yes, he is a lunatic, no, not in the way you think. He is an authoritarian narcissistic psycho with a god complex, yes. But he is not interested in nuking anyone because he realizes the world is just going to end him. He just provokes and grits his teeth so that he receives the aid necessary for his country's survival, he keeps his people thinking they're actually on top or something, and only has the nukes to prevent countries from attacking him. Do you really believe he doesn't know what will happen if they start a war/nuke anyone?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3626 on: September 26, 2017, 08:57:04 AM »
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He is an authoritarian narcissistic psycho with a god complex, yes. But he is not interested in nuking anyone because he realizes the world is just going to end him. He just provokes and grits his teeth so that he receives the aid necessary for his country's survival, he keeps his people thinking they're actually on top or something, and only has the nukes to prevent countries from attacking him. Do you really believe he doesn't know what will happen if they start a war/nuke anyone?
This mostly fits for Trump, too.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3627 on: September 26, 2017, 08:58:47 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3628 on: September 26, 2017, 09:02:02 AM »
Quote from: User324 on September 26, 2017, 08:57:04 AM
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on September 26, 2017, 08:52:52 AM
He is an authoritarian narcissistic psycho with a god complex, yes. But he is not interested in nuking anyone because he realizes the world is just going to end him. He just provokes and grits his teeth so that he receives the aid necessary for his country's survival, he keeps his people thinking they're actually on top or something, and only has the nukes to prevent countries from attacking him. Do you really believe he doesn't know what will happen if they start a war/nuke anyone?
This mostly fits for Trump, too.

Nah. You're really stretching it. Although if Trump was in DPRK, he'd probably make a good Kim.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #3629 on: September 26, 2017, 09:07:11 AM »
Quote from: Definitely Not Official on September 26, 2017, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: crutonius on September 25, 2017, 07:51:25 PM
I think Kim Jong is probably not a lunatic. A while back I read an article that described what it was like to be an adviser to president Bush. What stood out to me is that it's hard to give a president bad news. Partly because presidents tend to be stubborn and partly because just carrying the title of president is very awe inspiring.

I'd imagine Kim Jong has a much tougher time getting accurate information from his advisors.

You people don't get it: yes, he is a lunatic, no, not in the way you think. He is an authoritarian narcissistic psycho with a god complex, yes. But he is not interested in nuking anyone because he realizes the world is just going to end him. He just provokes and grits his teeth so that he receives the aid necessary for his country's survival, he keeps his people thinking they're actually on top or something, and only has the nukes to prevent countries from attacking him. Do you really believe he doesn't know what will happen if they start a war/nuke anyone?

I'm not 100% sure.  He executes people who disappoint him with anti-aircraft guns.  I have to believe that things like that factor into how his advisers frame the facts.  It seems possible that he's surrounded by people who are afraid to tell him plainly that he has no chance in any war.

He's a hard guy to figure out.  I don't quite know what his end game is.  Reunify with South Korea?  We're bound too strongly with them in many different ways to abandon them so that's unrealistic.  Survival?  Maybe but who would be interested in toppling that government?  We'd have to deal with 25 million uneducated, starving refugees.  Shaking us down for aid?  If that's his plan then it really isn't working out well.  Maybe China/Russia likes to rile him up just to piss us off.
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