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Why do you support Donald Trump?

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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #480 on: May 11, 2017, 05:58:25 PM »
Investigating his ties to Russia are part of making things better, imo.

I agree but blaming them for an election result that people don't like I don't agree with.

It just seems to me this is a reaction of things not "going to plan".

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #481 on: May 11, 2017, 06:15:19 PM »
If this were Hillary, would we be investigating her ties to Saudi Arabia? Or any other foreign power she owes favours to?

Sounds like he's signing this thing to appease the whiney democrats still sore from losing the election.

What is so wrong with Russia anyway?

Socialists always want a 'world without borders'. Russia tries to eliminate a few and everyone loses their shit.  ::)

If Clinton had won the election, I guarantee the Republicans would be investigating her. She has been under investigation for one thing or another for the past 30 years. Also, our leaders (D and R) have had a strange thing for the Saudis for as long as I can remember. Both parties kiss Saudi ass for whatever reason. (Oil, probably)

He's not signing that executive order to appease the Democrats. He's signing it because he believes he lost the popular vote because "millions" of illegals voted. He has no evidence of this, but he believes it. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664

There's nothing wrong with Russia. There's plenty wrong with Russian interference in our election process. If the Russians have information they can use to blackmail our leaders it is important. Did you know even low level govt employees have to disclose compromising information about themselves for the same reason?

I have no idea wtf you're talking about with the "socialists" comment. Democrats are not socialists. There are very few socialists in the US, and I don't know of any in power.

 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #482 on: May 11, 2017, 06:48:35 PM »
This reaction is what's happened the last few election cycles at least. It was the tea party on the right, and now whatever you want to call it on the left, but either way there's been a vocal opposition group to the party of the president for quite some time now. People can say "whiney democrats" all they want, but the pendulum swings both ways.

Now as far as the Russians go, there's a lot of reason to suspect they interfered with the election. Not only because literally all of the heads of all of the US intelligence agencies think so, but also because it's happening elsewhere in Europe as well. It would be silly to assume they didn't meddle with the US elections in whatever capacity they could, when people with access to the raw data say they think it happened. And let's acknowledge the fact that these are not just ideological democrats who are saying it happened. We're talking the former and current interim head of the FBI, the head of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the NSA, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. It's worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #483 on: May 11, 2017, 06:54:18 PM »
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

^^^ this is probably the soundest advice ^^^

Too much division among people that the government doesn't care about. And as soon as the battle lines are drawn (left vs right, lib vs conservative, republican vs democrat) the actual dialogue stops most times. Focus on making things better and getting things done that improve the lives of the people that government is supposed to be serving. That's not always going to mean doing the most popular thing, but that's why the job description isn't "do what gets me elected next cycle". There should be no such thing as a career politician.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #484 on: May 11, 2017, 07:07:50 PM »
Investigating his ties to Russia are part of making things better, imo.

I agree but blaming them for an election result that people don't like I don't agree with.

It just seems to me this is a reaction of things not "going to plan".

There are tons of valid reasons why an investigation is very necessary. It is not because people are salty about the election. Stop repeating this dumbass straw man argument.

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

^^^ this is probably the soundest advice ^^^

The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #485 on: May 11, 2017, 07:11:34 PM »
The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.


Is that what I said? Or did I detail reasons why the investigation into Russian interference makes sense immediately before that post? Hmmmmm... let me see... ::)

Now as far as the Russians go, there's a lot of reason to suspect they interfered with the election. Not only because literally all of the heads of all of the US intelligence agencies think so, but also because it's happening elsewhere in Europe as well. It would be silly to assume they didn't meddle with the US elections in whatever capacity they could, when people with access to the raw data say they think it happened. And let's acknowledge the fact that these are not just ideological democrats who are saying it happened. We're talking the former and current interim head of the FBI, the head of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the NSA, the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. It's worth looking into, as far as I'm concerned.


What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

That was really dishonest to imply that I didn't think the Russian investigation was important, when I stated that explicitly in the previous post.
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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #486 on: May 11, 2017, 07:15:17 PM »
Schooled.

I also fully support an open and honest investigation into any foreign influence on the US election.
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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #487 on: May 11, 2017, 07:24:32 PM »
Too much division among people that the government doesn't care about. And as soon as the battle lines are drawn (left vs right, lib vs conservative, republican vs democrat) the actual dialogue stops most times. Focus on making things better and getting things done that improve the lives of the people that government is supposed to be serving. That's not always going to mean doing the most popular thing, but that's why the job description isn't "do what gets me elected next cycle". There should be no such thing as a career politician.

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Are we investigating the MSM interference in the election? I would say without them attempting to savage Trump 20x a day, Hillary would have won. It was hard enough for her to get people bothered to vote for her. MSM essentially told everyone they didn't need to because there was no way Trump would win.

Money and wealth should be taken away from the prerequisites of becoming President as it is. Basically you live in a fake democracy. It's a hideous Oligarchy and because it's only a 2 horse race, both can be corrupt and fraudulent as hell and there is nothing the public can do about it. Add to that, your Presidents have no choice but to puppet the whims of the sponsors who got them into power rather than serve the public who gave out their votes.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #488 on: May 11, 2017, 07:24:45 PM »
Whether Russia tried to influence the outcome of the election or not is moot at this point. Only 60% of eligible voters bothered to vote anyway. Maybe if the other 40% gave a damn about their countries electoral process and future the outcome would have been different?

Are we investigating the MSM interference in the election? I would say without them attempting to savage Trump 20x a day, Hillary would have won. It was hard enough for her to get people bothered to vote for her. MSM essentially told everyone they didn't need to because there was no way Trump would win.

What about social media perpetuating the 'fake news'? Are they being drawn and quartered? Or is it just easy to 'blame Russia' because that also delegitimises a President you don't like

We talk about the Russians, but what about Julian Assange? I'm all for the free access to information but this guy held onto some of these nuggets and timed them to specifically be released when it could do the most political damage. This was no longer about freedom of information, but an attempt to skew an election. I'm sure there's a heap of information he is still hording to use as personal bargaining chips or for politics some day. In some ways, he is no different to the rest. Why no hate levelled at him anymore?

America looks pretty stupid to be complaining about 'election interference' given their shameless and active interference in many countries across the world. Perhaps its karma teaching you a lesson. And maybe if America had put up candidates with a bit of class and calibre you wouldn't have Trump win a nomination and then the Presidency. You have a population of 350+ million. If these 2 were your best and brightest that's pretty embarrassing. Trump was the only one of the 2 that had potential to wreck that system and make it possible for someone in the future to make it to the top and not need billions in foreign power money and sponsors. The democrats could get an unheard of nobody that says 'not Trump' for the campaign and draw not only everyone who voted for Hillary but all the supporters who didn't bother to vote last time. Maybe you guys need a 'nobody' as President. Would also do a better job than that desiccated fossil Hillary.

Your entire system is flawed. Money and wealth should be taken away from the prerequisites of becoming President as it is. Basically you live in a fake democracy. It's a hideous Oligarchy and because it's only a 2 horse race, both can be corrupt and fraudulent as hell and there is nothing the public can do about it. Add to that, your Presidents have no choice but to puppet the whims of the sponsors who got them into power rather than serve the public who gave out their votes.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #489 on: May 11, 2017, 07:33:47 PM »
Are you saying we shouldn't try and fix it? Should I just STFU because I feel like Russia shouldn't have a direct influence on our elections? Should I ignore the fact that the DNC had their thumb on the scale for someone that I thought was corrupt from the get-go? Should I just sit here and not exercise my right to speak freely and express my opinions because the "entire system is flawed" or is it OK for me to say that I think things should be better?

Shit man. I don't think looking into meddling with an election for the President of the USA is moot. I think it's pretty fucking important. Of all the things we could be having a national conversation about, this one actually matters.
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« Reply #490 on: May 11, 2017, 07:35:55 PM »
The President just fired the guy in charge of investigating his own administration. This is definitely not something that people should "stop whining" about.

Is that what I said? Or did I detail reasons why the investigation into Russian interference makes sense immediately before that post? Hmmmmm... let me see... ::)
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That was really dishonest to imply that I didn't think the Russian investigation was important, when I stated that explicitly in the previous post.

Which is why it is weird that you seemed to agree with disputeone's comment. I didn't mean to imply anything about your views that was untrue. Just seemed contradictory.

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What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

Yes, that would be fantastic.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #491 on: May 11, 2017, 07:38:29 PM »
My comment was;

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I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I then went on to say;

I also fully support an open and honest investigation into any foreign influence on the US election.

I guess it depends on who hears it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #492 on: May 11, 2017, 07:47:59 PM »
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
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I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #493 on: May 11, 2017, 07:55:15 PM »
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What we need is the masses to be united in acknowledging this is an issue. And less whining about the stupid partisan shit that doesn't matter but takes away from important stuff like this.

Yes, that would be fantastic.

I'm glad we are in agreement. My whole point was that there should be less division among the people who, at the end of the day, don't really matter to the politicians that "serve" us. Trump doesn't give a shit about me or my family. Neither does Hillary. And when people on a certain team argue with the people on the other team to the degree it's happening now, conversation breaks down and the only winners are the people that were already on top to begin with. Frankly, disagreeing with disputeone about people whining (regardless of what side of the political spectrum they fall on) would seem pretty ironic, given the vocal parts of both US parties are pretty god damn whiney when they don't get their way about something. And unfortunately, the echo chambers are so loud right now that people just hear what they want to and many just believe that everyone else with the capability to reason feels the same way since they are insulated from the "other team's" viewpoint.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #494 on: May 11, 2017, 07:57:45 PM »
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
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I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree that whining is a good sign. A well-reasoned, ideologically neutral argument is different than partisan whining I think. People can see through partisan whining, and it serves to divide. For me, seeing the heads of the several different intelligence agencies all speaking to the senate today was very refreshing. No partisan crap from them, just facts and legitimate concerns.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #495 on: May 11, 2017, 08:12:14 PM »
whine
wʌɪn/
verb

gerund or present participle: whining
give or make a long, high-pitched complaining cry or sound.
"the dog whined and scratched at the back door"

synonyms:   hum, drone, sing
"the lift began to whine"

complain in a feeble or petulant way.
"she began to whine about how hard she had been forced to work"
synonyms:   complaint, complaining, grouse, grousing, moan, moaning, moans and groans, grouch, grouching, grumble, whining, carping, muttering, murmur, murmuring, whispering;
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #496 on: May 11, 2017, 08:33:39 PM »
My comment was;

I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

Was that really such a terrible thing to say?

I guess it depends on who hears it.
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I guess the not whining part I take issue with. Whining is exactly what we should be doing right now. Eliminating this check on the presidents power is a bridge too far. The Republicans have the majority in Congress so they'll defend him no matter what. Unless we whine hard enough so they know it impacts their chances to hold office in 2018. Whining is a good sign.

I get what you're saying, but I disagree that whining is a good sign. A well-reasoned, ideologically neutral argument is different than partisan whining I think. People can see through partisan whining, and it serves to divide. For me, seeing the heads of the several different intelligence agencies all speaking to the senate today was very refreshing. No partisan crap from them, just facts and legitimate concerns.

The problem is what constitutes "partisan whining". The whitehouse has been relentlessly trying to portray opposition to the firing as exactly that: partisan whining, democrats being sore election losers, etc. Watch the press conferences from the last two days or Trump's twitter feed:

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Russia must be laughing up their sleeves watching as the U.S. tears itself apart over a Democrat EXCUSE for losing the election.
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The Democrats should be ashamed. This is a disgrace! #DrainTheSwamp
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Dems have been complaining for months & months about Dir. Comey. Now that he has been fired they PRETEND to be aggrieved. Phony hypocrites!
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The Democrats have said some of the worst things about James Comey, including the fact that he should be fired, but now they play so sad!
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Cryin' Chuck Schumer stated recently, "I do not have confidence in him (James Comey) any longer." Then acts so indignant. #draintheswamp

It's easy to complain about "partisan whining", but when the POTUS himself characterizes practically every form of opposition as partisan whining... forgive me if I allow myself an eyeroll or two. There is nothing partisan about being concerned about the latest chain of events.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #497 on: May 11, 2017, 08:47:19 PM »
I agree there is nothing partisan about investigating the recent chain of events. I would submit that the President saying something doesn't make it true. "I am not a crook," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," and "I am not under investigation" all serve to help bolster that point.

As far as what constitutes "partisan whining"... well, we aren't going to fix that until we stop the infighting between the average Americans who think Trump or Clinton were candidates with a vested interest in our personal well being. But if we can step outside the news articles coming through social media or MSNBC/FOX and start listening to people like the heads of our many national intelligence agencies, it would probably serve us well. As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.
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« Reply #498 on: May 11, 2017, 09:23:41 PM »
I agree there is nothing partisan about investigating the recent chain of events. I would submit that the President saying something doesn't make it true. "I am not a crook," "I did not have sexual relations with that woman," and "I am not under investigation" all serve to help bolster that point.

My point was that it is annoying to hear complaints about "partisan whining" when that is exactly what the president is trying to brand his legitimate opposition as. It sounds like you are just parroting the president's talking points to dismiss the opposition. (Not that you are.)

I guess it would help if you were specific about the "partisan whining" you are referring to. Otherwise we might as well be dancing with headphones on to two different songs. Not surprising if we step on each others' toes.

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As far as what constitutes "partisan whining"... well, we aren't going to fix that until we stop the infighting between the average Americans who think Trump or Clinton were candidates with a vested interest in our personal well being. But if we can step outside the news articles coming through social media or MSNBC/FOX and start listening to people like the heads of our many national intelligence agencies, it would probably serve us well. As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.

The problem is that the average person is much less informed about current events than the average media person. Many people don't have the time or inclination to form solid opinions by watching Congressional proceedings. It would be great if they could, but it just isn't going to happen. Separation of duties is the basic premise behind civilization. We can't be experts at everything, so we have to be open to accepting the opinions of those who are experts in their respective fields. The downside is that this leaves us vulnerable to manipulation, but I don't see an alternative.

I'm not really sure what the solution is. Better general education. Better electoral system that encourages more honest debate.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #499 on: May 11, 2017, 10:19:38 PM »
As I'm sure you well know, we need to stop getting our opinions spoon-fed to us from the media and start formulating our own opinions on primary sources and actual hard data when possible. But that seems to be a tough ask right now. People are really entrenched in the echo chambers that social and national media have provided.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #500 on: May 11, 2017, 10:20:47 PM »
It was okay for the democrats to call for Comeys head when he publically stated he was reopening the investigation to Hillarys email affairs.... Yet now? lol I should not know of or hear about the FBI director. Now that he has made himself such a public figure that attracts media attention every time he speaks, its time his role as director is finished. The FBI should not be making news or headlines. As soon as it does, its tarnished and its ability to do quality investigations or to be taken seriously is hindered. He may have been doing an exemplary job up until the point MSM decided to follow him around. He should not be fronting cameras and attracting the limelight. Maybe he didn't seek to, but it happened.

Also, it's ridiculous 'news' articles like this that pisses of any sane person

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/disbelief-over-donald-trumps-two-scoops-of-ice-cream/news-story/28e287dcfb2c984815977354336eacf0

wah wah, Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else only got 1! LOL Are they kidding me???

Can you honestly say this would be a story if Hillary and her staff were catered to their tastes and the journalists got given a default menu? This is gutter 'journalism' and the average person has had enough of reading this shit.

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« Reply #501 on: May 11, 2017, 11:08:44 PM »
It was okay for the democrats to call for Comeys head when he publically stated he was reopening the investigation to Hillarys email affairs....

Are they the FBI director's boss? Were they under active investigation by the FBI? Did they already publicly recuse themselves from said investigation? C'mon man, this isn't difficult to understand.

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Yet now? lol I should not know of or hear about the FBI director. Now that he has made himself such a public figure that attracts media attention every time he speaks, its time his role as director is finished. The FBI should not be making news or headlines. As soon as it does, its tarnished and its ability to do quality investigations or to be taken seriously is hindered. He may have been doing an exemplary job up until the point MSM decided to follow him around. He should not be fronting cameras and attracting the limelight. Maybe he didn't seek to, but it happened.

Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

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Also, it's ridiculous 'news' articles like this that pisses of any sane person

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/wtf/disbelief-over-donald-trumps-two-scoops-of-ice-cream/news-story/28e287dcfb2c984815977354336eacf0

wah wah, Trump got 2 scoops of ice cream and everyone else only got 1! LOL Are they kidding me???

Protip: don't actively go seeking out ridiculous news sources.

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Can you honestly say this would be a story if Hillary and her staff were catered to their tastes and the journalists got given a default menu? This is gutter 'journalism' and the average person has had enough of reading this shit.

Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me.

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« Reply #502 on: May 11, 2017, 11:26:49 PM »
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Protip: don't actively go seeking out ridiculous news sources

Actively 'seek out'? It's on the front page of one of Australias 'mainstream' news website that get hundreds of thousands of hits a day. Hell, its web address is 'news.com.au'. It tries to promote itself as news for Australians.

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Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

It's not a weak-ass excuse. It's the truth. You cant have an FBI director in the lime light making news wherever he goes and everything he says. Regardless of how well he did the job, the media itself in their hunt for Trumps head are to blame for his position being untenable.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #503 on: May 12, 2017, 12:09:44 AM »
Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me.

This is one of my favorite examples of the stupidity of politics these days. You would think it came from a kids cartoon or something, but it actually happened.

"You don't want this man leading your country! How can he be a good leader when he uses the wrong type of mustard?!!!!!"
 
This kind of stupidity happens all across the political spectrum and I think all over the western world. For all its advantages, perhaps this is one of the disadvantages of a democracy. It's embarrassing really.

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« Reply #504 on: May 12, 2017, 12:25:19 AM »
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Yes, that is the same weak-ass excuse the whitehouse is using.

It's not a weak-ass excuse. It's the truth. You cant have an FBI director in the lime light making news wherever he goes and everything he says. Regardless of how well he did the job, the media itself in their hunt for Trumps head are to blame for his position being untenable.

Trump explicitly praised Comey's handling of the Hillary investigation on multiple occasions. Now that he's the subject of an investigation, it's suddenly an issue? Yes, it's a blatantly transparent excuse, and shady as hell.

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Actively 'seek out'? It's on the front page of one of Australias 'mainstream' news website that get hundreds of thousands of hits a day. Hell, its web address is 'news.com.au'. It tries to promote itself as news for Australians.
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Google "Obama dijon mustard", and then get back to me
https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2009/05/07/dijon-derangement-syndrome-conservative-media-a/149946 <-- LOL I humbly stand corrected

Ha. Nailed it.

And my point was that you got it from the lifestyle section. Other headlines right now in that section: "Woman's awkward eyebrow fail", "Your baby's bogan name hurts its future", "Avocado hand injuries: Do we really need safety warnings?".

I appreciate your dislike for tabloid journalism, but it certainly isn't unique to Trump, and it isn't going away any time soon. Now excuse me while I go read about what a bogan baby name is.
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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #505 on: May 12, 2017, 04:13:54 AM »
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #506 on: May 12, 2017, 05:49:13 AM »
Have trump supporter actually ever listened to him talking?
I was more eloquent when I was 5 years old.

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Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #507 on: May 12, 2017, 06:08:29 AM »
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.

You are suggesting a (hopefully) bloodless coup?

Edit.

Have trump supporter actually ever listened to him talking?
I was more eloquent when I was 5 years old.

That's why I supported him in the election, he's not a career politician.

Also the corruption is so deep a change of President is unlikely to solve anything imho.

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For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this.

The reason I am consistently personally attacked here.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1960160#msg1960160

Re: Why do you think politics are stupid.
« Reply #508 on: May 12, 2017, 06:43:42 AM »
I wish everyone would stop whining and focus on making things better.

the best way would be to do a new election. kick Trump out of the white house and all his staff with him that praise him.

he has done already enough damage.

You are suggesting a (hopefully) bloodless coup?

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yes, especially after the interview he gave yesterday (i think).
where he said that it was only his decision to fire Comey, against what all his stuff said till than it was based on the report from Rosenstein.
with that statement it appears that his staff did know anything about his decisions.

an other explanation would be that Trump is mental instable.

the whole thing is even more proof to remove that insane person.
we know what can happen if a insane person is the leader of a country.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #509 on: May 12, 2017, 07:05:03 AM »
I don't think he's insane, just egotistical and incompetent.
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this.

The reason I am consistently personally attacked here.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=69306.msg1960160#msg1960160