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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6240 on: January 25, 2018, 06:59:21 PM »
Powell should be in jail too, if he did mishandled sensitive information.  You can't justify one person who broke the law not being prosecuted with another.  I can post all day about people who were prosecuted for taking a f*cking picture.  I had to turn over every note I ever wrote down at the end of a mission, but she gets to pick and chose what she turns over?

You are talking about that guy who took pictures of classified equipment and control panels inside the USS Alexandria, and then his phone turned up at the local dump?   

This is the guy,  Machinist Mate 1st Class Kristian Saucier
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During the interview, the FBI asked him about his personal computer and other electronic devices he took with him on deployment, according to the complaint.

Immediately following that interview, he returned to his home and, according to the witness at his home that day, he grabbed his camera and the laptop the FBI had asked about, took them to the basement and smashed them to bits inside a plastic bag.

Saucier then told the witness not to talk because the witness would be in trouble too for seeing the images.

Saucier denies any intention to distribute the photos and his reasons for keeping the photos are unclear. However, the photos, if exposed, could have been damaging, experts said.

The pictures as described in the complaint could reveal to a trained eye some of the state-of-the-art technology used to silence the hull's noises and the capabilities and configuration of the plant inside the Los Angeles-class attack boat, according to a former sub skipper who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive areas on the boat.

Yes he got some jail time for that.   

Anyway,  Hillary didn't take any pictures of classified equipment.

He, plus hundreds of others who mishandled classified information went to jail.  Hillary did not.  Why?

There's no proof she mishandled classified material,  and she's never been accused of passing on classified material.  No case to answer.


Because she deleted them?  Oh, wait.  She did not delete all of them and some had classified information.  Idiot.

So are you saying it's illegal to delete emails?   

Anyway, the assertion that some were classified, is not as clear cut as you seem to think.

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In discussing normal business, it may not be evident that certain specific topics are classified. Is the entire conversation the secretary has with a foreign leader classified? Are parts of it? Is the fact that the conversation took place classified? It depends on subject matter and context, and the assessment is subjective. In the normal course of business, however, a government employee may decide that the subject matter is not sensitive and discuss the conversation over an unclassified system.

But other more complicated issues arise. For example, the U.S. government cannot acknowledge drone strikes carried out by the CIA. That information remains classified even if revealed in the media. Thus, discussing them over an unclassified system would not be allowed. However, drone strikes carried out by the Department of Defense are not subject to such restrictions. This distinction may be one of the key contentions the intelligence community has with some information in the Clinton emails.

The fact is government officials inadvertently send classified details over unclassified email systems all the time. Considering the amount of information dealt with on a daily basis, it is inevitable. Classified details are accidentally revealed in casual conversations and media interviews. We may not hear about it because it’s not in the interviewee’s interest to point that out after the fact.

A colleague and former CIA analyst tells his students he would never knowingly but almost certainly will inadvertently relate in the classroom a tidbit that is classified. The classic example is when Senator David Boren accidentally revealed the name of a clandestine CIA agent. Boren at the time was no less than chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

In that light, Clinton may have been careless, but she’s certainly not alone.



After they are subpoenaed, yes, it is illegal to delete emails, or otherwise destroy evidence.  Your argument gets weaker by the post.

Again you got the facts wrong,  the emails were sorted and personal emails deleted before the subpoena was issued.   So you still have nothing to charge her with.



What Bizzaro planet are you living on?  The subpoena was sent by the congress of the United States of America almost a month before the emails were bleached.  That is right, they were not only deleted, but bleached after the subpoena. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6242 on: January 25, 2018, 08:38:25 PM »
Powell should be in jail too, if he did mishandled sensitive information.  You can't justify one person who broke the law not being prosecuted with another.  I can post all day about people who were prosecuted for taking a f*cking picture.  I had to turn over every note I ever wrote down at the end of a mission, but she gets to pick and chose what she turns over?

You are talking about that guy who took pictures of classified equipment and control panels inside the USS Alexandria, and then his phone turned up at the local dump?   

This is the guy,  Machinist Mate 1st Class Kristian Saucier
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During the interview, the FBI asked him about his personal computer and other electronic devices he took with him on deployment, according to the complaint.

Immediately following that interview, he returned to his home and, according to the witness at his home that day, he grabbed his camera and the laptop the FBI had asked about, took them to the basement and smashed them to bits inside a plastic bag.

Saucier then told the witness not to talk because the witness would be in trouble too for seeing the images.

Saucier denies any intention to distribute the photos and his reasons for keeping the photos are unclear. However, the photos, if exposed, could have been damaging, experts said.

The pictures as described in the complaint could reveal to a trained eye some of the state-of-the-art technology used to silence the hull's noises and the capabilities and configuration of the plant inside the Los Angeles-class attack boat, according to a former sub skipper who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive areas on the boat.

Yes he got some jail time for that.   

Anyway,  Hillary didn't take any pictures of classified equipment.

He, plus hundreds of others who mishandled classified information went to jail.  Hillary did not.  Why?

There's no proof she mishandled classified material,  and she's never been accused of passing on classified material.  No case to answer.


Because she deleted them?  Oh, wait.  She did not delete all of them and some had classified information.  Idiot.

So are you saying it's illegal to delete emails?   

Anyway, the assertion that some were classified, is not as clear cut as you seem to think.

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In discussing normal business, it may not be evident that certain specific topics are classified. Is the entire conversation the secretary has with a foreign leader classified? Are parts of it? Is the fact that the conversation took place classified? It depends on subject matter and context, and the assessment is subjective. In the normal course of business, however, a government employee may decide that the subject matter is not sensitive and discuss the conversation over an unclassified system.

But other more complicated issues arise. For example, the U.S. government cannot acknowledge drone strikes carried out by the CIA. That information remains classified even if revealed in the media. Thus, discussing them over an unclassified system would not be allowed. However, drone strikes carried out by the Department of Defense are not subject to such restrictions. This distinction may be one of the key contentions the intelligence community has with some information in the Clinton emails.

The fact is government officials inadvertently send classified details over unclassified email systems all the time. Considering the amount of information dealt with on a daily basis, it is inevitable. Classified details are accidentally revealed in casual conversations and media interviews. We may not hear about it because it’s not in the interviewee’s interest to point that out after the fact.

A colleague and former CIA analyst tells his students he would never knowingly but almost certainly will inadvertently relate in the classroom a tidbit that is classified. The classic example is when Senator David Boren accidentally revealed the name of a clandestine CIA agent. Boren at the time was no less than chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

In that light, Clinton may have been careless, but she’s certainly not alone.



After they are subpoenaed, yes, it is illegal to delete emails, or otherwise destroy evidence.  Your argument gets weaker by the post.

Again you got the facts wrong,  the emails were sorted and personal emails deleted before the subpoena was issued.   So you still have nothing to charge her with.



What Bizzaro planet are you living on?  The subpoena was sent by the congress of the United States of America almost a month before the emails were bleached.  That is right, they were not only deleted, but bleached after the subpoena.

Nope.  She told the legal people in December not to keep the personal emails.   That's a few months before the subpoena. 

You are now grasping at straws,  and you've still got nothing she could be charged over.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6243 on: January 25, 2018, 08:43:07 PM »
Powell should be in jail too, if he did mishandled sensitive information.  You can't justify one person who broke the law not being prosecuted with another.  I can post all day about people who were prosecuted for taking a f*cking picture.  I had to turn over every note I ever wrote down at the end of a mission, but she gets to pick and chose what she turns over?

You are talking about that guy who took pictures of classified equipment and control panels inside the USS Alexandria, and then his phone turned up at the local dump?   

This is the guy,  Machinist Mate 1st Class Kristian Saucier
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During the interview, the FBI asked him about his personal computer and other electronic devices he took with him on deployment, according to the complaint.

Immediately following that interview, he returned to his home and, according to the witness at his home that day, he grabbed his camera and the laptop the FBI had asked about, took them to the basement and smashed them to bits inside a plastic bag.

Saucier then told the witness not to talk because the witness would be in trouble too for seeing the images.

Saucier denies any intention to distribute the photos and his reasons for keeping the photos are unclear. However, the photos, if exposed, could have been damaging, experts said.

The pictures as described in the complaint could reveal to a trained eye some of the state-of-the-art technology used to silence the hull's noises and the capabilities and configuration of the plant inside the Los Angeles-class attack boat, according to a former sub skipper who asked for anonymity to discuss sensitive areas on the boat.

Yes he got some jail time for that.   

Anyway,  Hillary didn't take any pictures of classified equipment.

He, plus hundreds of others who mishandled classified information went to jail.  Hillary did not.  Why?

There's no proof she mishandled classified material,  and she's never been accused of passing on classified material.  No case to answer.


Because she deleted them?  Oh, wait.  She did not delete all of them and some had classified information.  Idiot.

So are you saying it's illegal to delete emails?   

Anyway, the assertion that some were classified, is not as clear cut as you seem to think.

Quote
In discussing normal business, it may not be evident that certain specific topics are classified. Is the entire conversation the secretary has with a foreign leader classified? Are parts of it? Is the fact that the conversation took place classified? It depends on subject matter and context, and the assessment is subjective. In the normal course of business, however, a government employee may decide that the subject matter is not sensitive and discuss the conversation over an unclassified system.

But other more complicated issues arise. For example, the U.S. government cannot acknowledge drone strikes carried out by the CIA. That information remains classified even if revealed in the media. Thus, discussing them over an unclassified system would not be allowed. However, drone strikes carried out by the Department of Defense are not subject to such restrictions. This distinction may be one of the key contentions the intelligence community has with some information in the Clinton emails.

The fact is government officials inadvertently send classified details over unclassified email systems all the time. Considering the amount of information dealt with on a daily basis, it is inevitable. Classified details are accidentally revealed in casual conversations and media interviews. We may not hear about it because it’s not in the interviewee’s interest to point that out after the fact.

A colleague and former CIA analyst tells his students he would never knowingly but almost certainly will inadvertently relate in the classroom a tidbit that is classified. The classic example is when Senator David Boren accidentally revealed the name of a clandestine CIA agent. Boren at the time was no less than chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

In that light, Clinton may have been careless, but she’s certainly not alone.



After they are subpoenaed, yes, it is illegal to delete emails, or otherwise destroy evidence.  Your argument gets weaker by the post.

Again you got the facts wrong,  the emails were sorted and personal emails deleted before the subpoena was issued.   So you still have nothing to charge her with.



What Bizzaro planet are you living on?  The subpoena was sent by the congress of the United States of America almost a month before the emails were bleached.  That is right, they were not only deleted, but bleached after the subpoena.

Nope.  She told the legal people in December not to keep the personal emails.   That's a few months before the subpoena. 

You are now grasping at straws,  and you've still got nothing she could be charged over.


Where the emails deleted after the subpoena, or not?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6244 on: January 25, 2018, 08:46:05 PM »
Where the emails deleted after the subpoena, or not?

Are you suggesting she personally deleted them?

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THE FACT CHECKER | Trump is technically correct on the timeline, but Clinton’s staff had requested the emails to be deleted months before the subpoena, according to the FBI’s August 2016 report. Moreover, there’s no evidence Clinton deleted the emails in anticipation of the subpoena, and FBI director James B. Comey has said his agency’s investigation found no evidence that any work-related emails were “intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.”

Here you go.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/298272-fbi-no-evidence-clinton-ordered-deletion-of-subpoenaed-email-archive


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6245 on: January 25, 2018, 09:30:24 PM »
Can you guys either stop quoting each other or take the hillary email shit to another thread? This stupid layout is making your posts stupidly long.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6246 on: January 25, 2018, 10:49:01 PM »
The emails have been gone through by a shitload of republicans. Multiple times. So either:

a) There is nothing there.
b) Republicans are crap at finding clues, and should just stick with the whole Jesus thing and shut the fuck up.
or
c) Both of the above.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6247 on: January 26, 2018, 01:11:14 AM »
The emails have been gone through by a shitload of republicans. Multiple times. So either:

a) There is nothing there.
b) Republicans are crap at finding clues, and should just stick with the whole Jesus thing and shut the fuck up.
or
c) Both of the above.

All true, but you've gotta love the way the little Trumpettes arc up whenever you mention Hilliary,  it's like making the sign of the cross to a vampire.  :)

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6248 on: January 26, 2018, 02:03:11 AM »
The emails have been gone through by a shitload of republicans. Multiple times. So either:

a) There is nothing there.
b) Republicans are crap at finding clues, and should just stick with the whole Jesus thing and shut the fuck up.
or
c) Both of the above.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6249 on: January 26, 2018, 06:47:34 AM »
Hillary Clinton, suiciding people twice in the back of the head since 1980.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6251 on: January 26, 2018, 10:53:42 AM »
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6252 on: January 26, 2018, 10:55:20 AM »
Hillary Clinton, suiciding people twice in the back of the head since 1980.

She is also a cannibal.

https://conservativedailypost.com/evidence-hillary-now-confirmed-to-have-kuru-disease-from-cannibalism-proof/

Also literally demon possessed and stinks of sulfur and rot. Covered in flies. True story.



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6253 on: January 26, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »
If Trump is Hitler reincarnated as the hard left says then Hillary can be a cannibal or demon from the hard right.

Both are quite stupid
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6254 on: January 26, 2018, 12:10:00 PM »
If Trump is Hitler reincarnated as the hard left says then Hillary can be a cannibal or demon from the hard right.

Both are quite stupid

Definitely. Guess who supports that kind of stupidity though?


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6255 on: January 26, 2018, 12:20:36 PM »
You realize totes I have never linked to any alt right website or article.

Even when Rayzor was goating me on things I said I am leaving those out.
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« Reply #6256 on: January 26, 2018, 12:24:37 PM »
You realize totes I have never linked to any alt right website or article.

Even when Rayzor was goating me on things I said I am leaving those out.

Yay! You seem to have missed my point though.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6257 on: January 26, 2018, 12:27:09 PM »
You realize totes I have never linked to any alt right website or article.

Even when Rayzor was goating me on things I said I am leaving those out.

Yay! You seem to have missed my point though.

The point is Alex Jones is a dumbass?

Yes, I agree...I was on the rocks about him for a while until I saw him on BBC in a conversation about gun control. He just made a fool of himself and any pro gun citizen...it was clear what his agenda was and who truly pulls his strings.

Pierce was just trying to have a normal conversation.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6258 on: January 26, 2018, 12:40:14 PM »
You realize totes I have never linked to any alt right website or article.

Even when Rayzor was goating me on things I said I am leaving those out.

Yay! You seem to have missed my point though.

The point is Alex Jones is a dumbass?

No, that's not the point. There are plenty of dumbasses out there. He's nothing special.

The point is this:

1. We are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate.
2. There have always been dumbasses out there, like Alex Jones, who promote this hyper-partisan political climate by demonizing political figures/commentators/groups. Yes, yes, both sides, etc.
3. The actual current President actively promotes these kinds of people and narratives.
4. Gee, I wonder why we are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6259 on: January 26, 2018, 12:46:28 PM »
3. The actual current President actively promotes these kinds of people and narratives.
4. Gee, I wonder why we are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate?

Fox news is about all he plugs. They aren't fringe just right leaning.

As for why hyper partisan climate?? Ask the mainstream media on that one, we can't blame hard left or right sources...this is squarely in the hands of the MSM.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6260 on: January 26, 2018, 01:09:00 PM »
3. The actual current President actively promotes these kinds of people and narratives.
4. Gee, I wonder why we are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate?

Fox news is about all he plugs. They aren't fringe just right leaning.


I used to think that.  When a big story comes up I usually check fox news to see what their perspective on it is.  But lately with 'secret society' story and all of the other conspiracy theories they're pushing I'm starting to think they're slipping.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6261 on: January 26, 2018, 02:16:27 PM »
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6262 on: January 26, 2018, 03:28:25 PM »
3. The actual current President actively promotes these kinds of people and narratives.
4. Gee, I wonder why we are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate?

Fox news is about all he plugs. They aren't fringe just right leaning.

As for why hyper partisan climate?? Ask the mainstream media on that one, we can't blame hard left or right sources...this is squarely in the hands of the MSM.

You have to be blind and dumb not to see how far out in the fringes fox news actually is.  They are pushing unfounded conspiracy theories almost 24/7,  what's weird is they way that the Russian bots and trolls feed them their talking points.   You can see it happening in almost real time.  That's the real conspiracy.

Had to chuckle when they did not one but two backflips on the "Trump ordered McGhann to sack Mueller story"   Hannity said it was fake news,  then reversed his opinion when it was pointed out their own reporters had confirmed it.  Then reversed once again when Trump speaking in Davos called it fake news.  So they are contradicting their own reporting just to agree with Trump.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6263 on: January 26, 2018, 03:39:56 PM »
3. The actual current President actively promotes these kinds of people and narratives.
4. Gee, I wonder why we are currently in a hyper-partisan political climate?

Fox news is about all he plugs. They aren't fringe just right leaning.

Don't be silly. He has plugged plenty of looney-bin worthy sources and theories, even since becoming President. There are plenty of examples. I can go grab some for you later if you really want me to. As for Fox, they are sort of a mixed bag. Some of their reporting is perfectly acceptable, if a bit partisan, but some of their segments are absolute garbage. Hannity is one of his favorites, and is basically Alex Jones without the demons and aliens.

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As for why hyper partisan climate?? Ask the mainstream media on that one, we can't blame hard left or right sources...this is squarely in the hands of the MSM.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6264 on: January 26, 2018, 03:48:35 PM »
Hillary Clinton, suiciding people twice in the back of the head since 1980.

She is also a cannibal.

https://conservativedailypost.com/evidence-hillary-now-confirmed-to-have-kuru-disease-from-cannibalism-proof/

This is demonstrably false,  she isn't a cannibal,   she is clearly one of the lizard people,  so by definition she is not eating her own and should not be called a cannibal.

   
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6265 on: January 26, 2018, 03:58:12 PM »
As for Fox, they are sort of a mixed bag. Some of their reporting is perfectly acceptable, if a bit partisan, but some of their segments are absolute garbage. Hannity is one of his favorites, and is basically Alex Jones without the demons and aliens.

Hannity is not a news show. It is an opinion show. He is not a reporter, he is a prime-time huckster.   

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« Reply #6266 on: January 26, 2018, 04:04:45 PM »
As for Fox, they are sort of a mixed bag. Some of their reporting is perfectly acceptable, if a bit partisan, but some of their segments are absolute garbage. Hannity is one of his favorites, and is basically Alex Jones without the demons and aliens.

Hannity is not a news show. It is an opinion show. He is not a reporter, he is a prime-time huckster.

Yes. That is exactly my point.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6267 on: January 26, 2018, 04:06:55 PM »
As for Fox, they are sort of a mixed bag. Some of their reporting is perfectly acceptable, if a bit partisan, but some of their segments are absolute garbage. Hannity is one of his favorites, and is basically Alex Jones without the demons and aliens.

Hannity is not a news show. It is an opinion show. He is not a reporter, he is a prime-time huckster.

Yes. That is exactly my point.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6268 on: January 26, 2018, 05:05:25 PM »
Hillary Clinton, suiciding people twice in the back of the head since 1980.

She is also a cannibal.

https://conservativedailypost.com/evidence-hillary-now-confirmed-to-have-kuru-disease-from-cannibalism-proof/

This is demonstrably false,  she isn't a cannibal,   she is clearly one of the lizard people,  so by definition she is not eating her own and should not be called a cannibal.

 

How do you know she does not eat lizards?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #6269 on: January 26, 2018, 05:09:26 PM »
Hillary Clinton, suiciding people twice in the back of the head since 1980.

She is also a cannibal.

https://conservativedailypost.com/evidence-hillary-now-confirmed-to-have-kuru-disease-from-cannibalism-proof/

This is demonstrably false,  she isn't a cannibal,   she is clearly one of the lizard people,  so by definition she is not eating her own and should not be called a cannibal.

 

How do you know she does not eat lizards?

Well I think when they say she's a cannibal they can also mean that she eats people's souls.
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