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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23490 on: November 10, 2024, 03:53:05 AM »

Fear of death.  Fear of the unknown.
Me, I fear pain for to me, there is nothing after death.  But before?  Oh the ways you can suffer.

The first twenty minutes of that movie has someone like you. He's like "There's no world after death!" The judges ask him "So... where are you now? Weren't you hit by a train?"

The ancient Lao Tzu used to say that hope is as hollow as fear (I'm a student of World Religion, not just Christianity, though I have little use for polytheism). You had false hope that Ms Harris would fix everything, when regular rural Americans told you repeatedly that their farm was in danger of being seized by woke overlords (that was their fear, and the left had actually been doing stuff like that through taxes already). Your hope has been banished, now it's time to banish your fear.

Without hope, without fear, what is there? Mystery. Consider the first day of Christmas (no, slaves to the US shopping season, the twelve days of Christmas are not the twelve before Christmas, but Christmas to Epiphany). You wake up, and you open a present from a loved one. It could be anything, including something don't necessarily want. But there is never a bad gift (unless you live in an abusive household, I suppose, but that's more about them), nor is there a gift so good that it overshoots the impact of the fact that Christ was born this day (well, not technically, his clothes were swaddling not blankets which indicates the real temperature of the place; it was picked to pave over a pagan holiday, and because the church calendar needed to schedule for Easter; the minority view is that Jesus died on the day of his birth). We call religious truth mystery because it hints at things beyond our earthly bipolar thoughts.

When fear is gone, and hope is gone, what remains? Our original emotion (sorry Inside Out fans, it's not joy): mystery. Or as most psychologists put it: awe.

I am watching a sunrise and how the camera can't separate the colors into neat gradients nor capture the intensity of each color.



I am in awe every sunrise, whereas the Kindle taking that picture is like "What? I don't see anything." When you let go of hope and fear, what remains is the sense of wonder.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23491 on: November 10, 2024, 04:33:22 AM »

Fear of death.  Fear of the unknown.
Me, I fear pain for to me, there is nothing after death.  But before?  Oh the ways you can suffer.

The first twenty minutes of that movie has someone like you. He's like "There's no world after death!" The judges ask him "So... where are you now? Weren't you hit by a train?"

The ancient Lao Tzu used to say that hope is as hollow as fear (I'm a student of World Religion, not just Christianity, though I have little use for polytheism). You had false hope that Ms Harris would fix everything, when regular rural Americans told you repeatedly that their farm was in danger of being seized by woke overlords (that was their fear, and the left had actually been doing stuff like that through taxes already). Your hope has been banished, now it's time to banish your fear.

Without hope, without fear, what is there? Mystery. Consider the first day of Christmas (no, slaves to the US shopping season, the twelve days of Christmas are not the twelve before Christmas, but Christmas to Epiphany). You wake up, and you open a present from a loved one. It could be anything, including something don't necessarily want. But there is never a bad gift (unless you live in an abusive household, I suppose, but that's more about them), nor is there a gift so good that it overshoots the impact of the fact that Christ was born this day (well, not technically, his clothes were swaddling not blankets which indicates the real temperature of the place; it was picked to pave over a pagan holiday, and because the church calendar needed to schedule for Easter; the minority view is that Jesus died on the day of his birth). We call religious truth mystery because it hints at things beyond our earthly bipolar thoughts.

When fear is gone, and hope is gone, what remains? Our original emotion (sorry Inside Out fans, it's not joy): mystery. Or as most psychologists put it: awe.

I am watching a sunrise and how the camera can't separate the colors into neat gradients nor capture the intensity of each color.

I am in awe every sunrise, whereas the Kindle taking that picture is like "What? I don't see anything." When you let go of hope and fear, what remains is the sense of wonder.
I'm not sure mystery is an emotion.  Regardless, I disagree: without hope, you are depressed.  When depressed, there is no need to explore your curiosity or wonder.  Depression sucks.

Also, I NEVER thought she'd fix everything.  Or anything.  The economy was never broken, it hit the soft landing.  The issue is that inflation already hit and deflation isn't good, generally speaking.  And the rest of it is social issues that will take generations to fix.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23492 on: November 10, 2024, 05:55:00 AM »
We shouldn't be paying people less than minimum wage to harvest our food. IMO

True. But have you considered however why the people who have immigrants working for them tend to support anti-immigrant policies?

Do they support anti immigrant policies, or anti illegal immigrant policies?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23493 on: November 10, 2024, 07:36:35 AM »
One of the better articles I’ve read on where the left/progressives are going wrong, not just in the US but in lots of places:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/10/donald-trump-the-left-social-media-rightwing-propaganda-progressives-woke

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23494 on: November 10, 2024, 09:59:45 AM »
We shouldn't be paying people less than minimum wage to harvest our food. IMO

True. But have you considered however why the people who have immigrants working for them tend to support anti-immigrant policies?

Do they support anti immigrant policies, or anti illegal immigrant policies?

Both I imagine.  Competition is competition.  No one is sneaking over the border to work as a doctor or an engineer.  If that's why they voted for Trump I can totally see that.  His policies will work out great for them.  Or Elon might figure out his slavery robot in which case Trump will just deport all the brown people.  But Elon has been promising full self driving in 1 year for the last 10 years so it seems unlikely we'll get robot slaves.

Anyone above that rung might regret what happens to the cost of basic things.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23495 on: November 10, 2024, 10:03:50 AM »
They haven't used it on Biden yet. I don't see them using it on trump.
Biden is a lame duck and will be gone in a little over 2 months.  Trump's mental state isn't going to improve over the next 4 years.

Trump's mental state is fine. It is a bit manic, but you can forgive him for that. He had an entire lame duck presidency, where he was in court most of the time answering accusations. Then some senile old pervert and an evil witch stole his second term.  I'd be eager to do things too.

Now, there are many of you out there who are in a state of panic. You think Trump will take away your rights. 



Let me tell you a story. A long time ago, I moved out because of an episode of paranoia, much like you are having now. I believed the guy that I worked for was trying to brainwash me. I believed one of my friends was a spy. Basically, I had a psychotic break, and was trying to function in the big city (having run from my small-town home) with a brain that was half-insane. I was constantly copying down cellphone texts because they might have hidden messages. Finally, I attended a church service where the minister mention that when you follow a line of thought, it either leads to the truth or to madness.  Slowly, God helped me ease myself out of my paranoid state, and as you can see today, I am perfectly normal and well-adjusted (that last bit was a joke).



You must develop a mind that can resist fears and falsehoods. When people tell you about Agenda 2025 or The Great Reset or Revelation or Whatever Other End-Times Scenario, you must understand:
We live in a world that God made us spiritual beings.  There is nothing on this Earth that can hurt us.  Suppose you are transgender, and fear Trump can take your rights away (back to that). Yet haven't you told me? You are a woman trapped in a man's body. Think about what that means! It means your spirit is female, and your body is male. What do you have to be concerned about then? If anyone does anything to hurt you, you will die and your spirit will be free. Why then should you worry about what happens on this Earth? Government wants to control us, but it cannot control someone who refuses to be controlled. It can try. It can put you to death. But as death is not the end, what have you to fear? And so I tell you, this world is not designed to end.  Let your mind and heart guide you, not your fears. You have been in madness for the last eight years. Yes, despite Biden winning, you were never happy.

So I ask you again, will you embrace truth? Or fear.

Trump is not going to be perfect. Neither will he be the end of everything.

This is all well and good for the next life.  But for those of us who aren't actively wishing for death we're more concerned with this life and the lives of our children.

I have family members on various government assistance programs.  Today they're celebrating the victory of Trump over that evil Kamala.  Tomorrow they'll be wondering what happened to their healthcare.  But at least they got some liberal tears.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23496 on: November 10, 2024, 03:44:45 PM »
One of the better articles I’ve read on where the left/progressives are going wrong, not just in the US but in lots of places:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/10/donald-trump-the-left-social-media-rightwing-propaganda-progressives-woke

He's too afraid to tell the truth though.

For instance this paragraph

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Meanwhile, the widening political gap based around people’s education levels – voters without college degrees supported Trump by a 14-point margin, while Harris had a 13-point advantage among college-educated people – creates yet more problems. Some of them are to do with “wokeness” and its drawbacks. Because the cutting edge of left politics is often associated with institutions of higher education, ideas that are meant to be about inclusivity can easily turn into the opposite. The result is an agenda often expressed with a judgmental arrogance, and based around behavioural codes – to do with microaggressions, or the correct use of pronouns – that are very hard for people outside highly educated circles to navigate.

It is not "very hard" for people outside highly educated circles to navigate. People outside those circles find all this shit ridiculous. They refuse to navigate through it.  None of it is "cutting edge" most of it is regressive or just fucking weird or stupid. Endless naval gazing is not cutting edge. Luxury beliefs aren't cutting edge.

I bet this guy sniffs his own farts.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23497 on: November 10, 2024, 04:52:06 PM »
One of the better articles I’ve read on where the left/progressives are going wrong, not just in the US but in lots of places:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/10/donald-trump-the-left-social-media-rightwing-propaganda-progressives-woke

He's too afraid to tell the truth though.

For instance this paragraph

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Meanwhile, the widening political gap based around people’s education levels – voters without college degrees supported Trump by a 14-point margin, while Harris had a 13-point advantage among college-educated people – creates yet more problems. Some of them are to do with “wokeness” and its drawbacks. Because the cutting edge of left politics is often associated with institutions of higher education, ideas that are meant to be about inclusivity can easily turn into the opposite. The result is an agenda often expressed with a judgmental arrogance, and based around behavioural codes – to do with microaggressions, or the correct use of pronouns – that are very hard for people outside highly educated circles to navigate.

It is not "very hard" for people outside highly educated circles to navigate. People outside those circles find all this shit ridiculous. They refuse to navigate through it.  None of it is "cutting edge" most of it is regressive or just fucking weird or stupid. Endless naval gazing is not cutting edge. Luxury beliefs aren't cutting edge.

I bet this guy sniffs his own farts.

Well it’s not a perfect article,and I’m not surprised you zeroed in on the gender part.

What I think he is right about how all this kind of stuff gets lumped together in what “the left” stand for.

The thing I keep seeing come up is how the Democrats (or other roughly center left party) have apparently “abandoned regular people to focus on woke identity issues”.  But it’s not really true.

The affordable care act wasn’t about critical race theory.  The inflation reduction act wasn’t about gender pronouns. None of the major social or economic policies that they actually put all the effort and resources into are ever about that kind of thing.  None of the big decisions that determine who comes out richer or poorer.

These are really just side issues that don’t generally come with a massive price tags in terms of government spending. But they do generate a disproportionate amount of media and social media argument.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23498 on: November 10, 2024, 05:02:47 PM »
One of the better articles I’ve read on where the left/progressives are going wrong, not just in the US but in lots of places:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/10/donald-trump-the-left-social-media-rightwing-propaganda-progressives-woke

He's too afraid to tell the truth though.

For instance this paragraph

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Meanwhile, the widening political gap based around people’s education levels – voters without college degrees supported Trump by a 14-point margin, while Harris had a 13-point advantage among college-educated people – creates yet more problems. Some of them are to do with “wokeness” and its drawbacks. Because the cutting edge of left politics is often associated with institutions of higher education, ideas that are meant to be about inclusivity can easily turn into the opposite. The result is an agenda often expressed with a judgmental arrogance, and based around behavioural codes – to do with microaggressions, or the correct use of pronouns – that are very hard for people outside highly educated circles to navigate.

It is not "very hard" for people outside highly educated circles to navigate. People outside those circles find all this shit ridiculous. They refuse to navigate through it.  None of it is "cutting edge" most of it is regressive or just fucking weird or stupid. Endless naval gazing is not cutting edge. Luxury beliefs aren't cutting edge.

I bet this guy sniffs his own farts.

Well it’s not a perfect article,and I’m not surprised you zeroed in on the gender part.

What I think he is right about how all this kind of stuff gets lumped together in what “the left” stand for.

The thing I keep seeing come up is how the Democrats (or other roughly center left party) have apparently “abandoned regular people to focus on woke identity issues”.  But it’s not really true.

The affordable care act wasn’t about critical race theory.  The inflation reduction act wasn’t about gender pronouns. None of the major social or economic policies that they actually put all the effort and resources into are ever about that kind of thing.  None of the big decisions that determine who comes out richer or poorer.

These are really just side issues that don’t generally come with a massive price tags in terms of government spending. But they do generate a disproportionate amount of media and social media argument.

This.

This is the important shit. While Elon musk has us all ginned up over trans people waiting to rape us in the bathroom they're going to make massive cuts to government services so the oligarchs like Elon musk can build rockets to nowhere.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23499 on: November 10, 2024, 06:05:01 PM »
I beg you guys to stop consuming so much blue anon content.

You think I zeroed in on the gender part, and not the condescending highly educated part? hahaha... of course, Trump loves the poorly educated.

I was also going to mention the focus on right wing propaganda on social media. The counter to all this scary right wing propaganda was left wing propaganda. They spent billions, they hired TikTokers, and celebrities. They had Beyonce and Oprah! I saw way more ads for Harris than for Trump. The left played the propaganda game, and they lost. Perhaps because they never articulated how great they are, and focused on how terrible Trump is.



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23500 on: November 10, 2024, 06:58:39 PM »
I judge these two administrators by what they actually did in office.

Trump passed massive tax cuts for the super rich.

Biden passed the inflation reduction act, the chips act, the infrastructure act etc.

Anyone implying that the two sides are remotely similar hasn't been paying attention to what these two president's actually did while in power.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23501 on: November 10, 2024, 08:36:46 PM »
Proof liberals are living in a different reality than the rest of us.

It is not enough to write a bill called the Paperwork Reduction Act, if as part of its standards, it contains an extra sheet of paper explaining the Paperwork Reduction Act.

Similarly, just because Biden passed a bill called the Inflation Reduction Act, it doesn't mean it necessarily did a damned thing to combat inflation, and like the aforementioned act above, it might even have done the opposite.

"Tax cuts for the rich" have a tendency to give the rich more spending money to employ landscapers, hot pool cleaners to lean over their pool while looking sexy, architects to make additions on their homes. I am not "mega rich" and the richest people I know are my brother and my late mother-in-law. They are not exactly multi-millionaires, and even if they were, envy is not a virtue nor is simply being rich inherently evil. That mindset is why this world has alot more poverty than it needs to have: (1) jealous people want to punish the rich, (2) the rich don't want to be punished by these assholes, and (3) the rest of us pay higher taxes because of their jealousy.

Tax cuts for the super-rich jump started an economy that had been strangled for years and years (probably since at least Clinton). The fact that he wasn't a senseless war president like Bush helped a little more.

Biden economy did offer more "jobs". But uhhh...
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/07/bidens-numbers-july-2024-update/
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Inflation surged to its highest level in over 40 years. Despite recent moderation, consumer prices are up more than 19% overall. Gasoline is up 46%.
Average weekly earnings haven’t kept pace with prices. After adjusting for inflation, “real” weekly earnings dropped 2.3%.

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The average number of refugees admitted per month is 117% higher than the average under his predecessor.

    Corporate profits are up 36%.

    The international trade deficit for goods and services went up 22.3%.

    The debt held by the public has grown by 28.5%


They say less people are on foodstamps. But what does it matter if the take-home money is 2.3% less, and their debt is 28.5% more? You could btw simply raise the threshold for qualifying for foodstamps. Less people are on foodstamps, but not because they are more successful; but rather, because the government wants to give less help. Oh and the big corporate fatcats that you loathe? Their profits are up 36%.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23502 on: November 11, 2024, 01:28:38 AM »
I beg you guys to stop consuming so much blue anon content.

You think I zeroed in on the gender part, and not the condescending highly educated part? hahaha... of course, Trump loves the poorly educated.

I was also going to mention the focus on right wing propaganda on social media. The counter to all this scary right wing propaganda was left wing propaganda. They spent billions, they hired TikTokers, and celebrities. They had Beyonce and Oprah! I saw way more ads for Harris than for Trump. The left played the propaganda game, and they lost. Perhaps because they never articulated how great they are, and focused on how terrible Trump is.

Yes.  It’s the same part.  You think he’s wrong on gender stuff and being condescending about it.  And you’re right that part comes across as condescending. He fell into the same stupid trap he talks about elsewhere, which is about perceptions.  They come as much from an endorsement by the likes Beyonce as from scary right wing propaganda.

Is blue anon supposed to be the left equivalent to Qanon? 

Why?  Because the left wing rags are all frantically trying to figure out how exactly the Dems lost so badly? 

What they should be doing of course is spreading conspiracy theories that they didn’t.  All looks very sus to me!

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23503 on: November 11, 2024, 04:09:56 AM »
The Oprah/Beyonce endorsement was part of the problem, who gives a flying fuck what some out of touch mega-rich face on the TV says, if all around you there is poverty, lack of opportunity and declining living standards and they hang around with sexual predators whilst telling you what you should be thinking.

That the Dem’s forgot their baseline voter opting to court the avocado eating libs and didn’t seem to have message other than “you bad” for thinking about voting for the orange frog.

That he is as much an antidote for all this as injecting bleach is for Covid, is not the point, that he represents a torpid version of the rise of the nazis, blaming others and cashing in on the discontent, I will leave for John Kelly and JD Vance to elaborate on.

The fact is he is here now, and things are liable to get interesting.
I’d like to say it’s Americans decline of education, but we’ve had Boris, Brexit and have Farage in the wings, so our high ground is suspect.

It’s all a bit depressing.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23504 on: November 11, 2024, 04:44:32 AM »
What's really funny is that I see various Trump voters being asked why they voted Trump, and a lot of them are saying "other countries respected us more under Trump". In what universe do they think that happened? Even senile Biden was respected more than Trump globally.
I get where you're coming from, and honestly, I think a lot of people around the world feel the same way about Trump's time in office. His "America First" approach definitely made him seem stronger and more assertive, and some foreign leaders really respected that. Plus, his belief in the importance of nation states, especially in a world that feels increasingly globalized, really struck a chord with many. For a lot of people, Trump wasn’t afraid to stand up for national sovereignty, even if that meant pushing back against global institutions or policies that seemed to overstep their bounds. Whether it was his tough stance on China, his unexpected engagement with North Korea, or getting NATO allies to pay their fair share many saw those moves as signs of strength and respect. It's not always about nice diplomatic words, right? It's about taking action and putting your country's interests first. And for many, that made America seem like it was respected more on the global stage, even if not everyone agreed with the approach. And of course, his commitment to sending aliens back to their homes was a major factor in that respec standing firm on borders and sovereignty resonated with a lot of people.
Respecting power because it is wielded is not respect, it's fear.
Trump spent the last 8 years complaining anytime someone said something he didn't like.  If you respect that, you're a fool.
I get what you’re saying, but I think there’s more to it. Respect doesn’t always come from agreeing with someone, especially if their style is different from yours. It’s not about liking Trump’s personality or always agreeing with his methods, but rather about recognizing his willingness to challenge the status quo. For many, that kind of boldness and confidence was a form of strength, even if you didn’t agree with every decision. Trump didn’t shy away from tough issues whether it was trade, foreign policy, or immigration. For a lot of people, that was a breath of fresh air in a world where things often felt too bureaucratic or too careful. I know it’s easy to look at the complaints or the drama, but the fact is, his presidency was a shift in how America engaged with the world, and for some, that earned respect, even if it wasn’t the typical diplomatic style.

Challenging the status quo is fine, but Trump didn't Challenge it so much as complain about it.  And only when it made him look bad.  It's a man who does things on impulse without thought of consequences. 

Like, he challenged how we deal with immigrants by separating children from parents but never kept track.  Now over 100 children are in the US and may never see their birth parents again because no one knows who they are.

Or how about how he visits dictators who say nice things about him?  He went from threatening to nuke North Korea to happily meeting with Kim Jong Un and canceling military drills because he asked.

If respect is trying to rock the boat because they won't let you be captain, or letting the boat sink because the ocean was nice to you.. then your idea of respect is... Odd to me.

I see where you're coming from, and I can totally understand how it feels like Trump made some impulsive decisions. But I think we also need to acknowledge that people often view his actions differently depending on their own priorities and perspectives. For many of his supporters, his "America First" approach wasn't about respect for dictators, but about standing firm in what they believed was the best interest of the country. They saw him as someone who wasn’t afraid to challenge global norms, even if it meant alienating allies or confronting difficult issues head on.

Now, I'm not saying he was perfect, or that everything he did was right. There are definitely moments that raised serious ethical concerns, like the family separation policy, that no one can easily justify. But it's important to recognize that some of his foreign policy moves like engaging with North Korea were seen by a lot of people as attempts to break through decades of deadlock. Whether or not they worked, it’s a different discussion.

When it comes to respect, I think it's less about agreeing with someone’s methods and more about acknowledging their willingness to act decisively, whether we like the decisions or not. For a lot of people, Trump was a sign of a different kind of leadership one that wasn’t afraid to make waves, even if those waves caused discomfort. It’s a hard balance to strike, and I get that not everyone appreciates it. But for a large part of America, that boldness was a form of respect, even if the actions didn’t always align with traditional diplomatic practices.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23505 on: November 11, 2024, 04:57:47 AM »
So, I was planning to write something else about Trump today, but Lorddave’s response shifted the focus a bit. Now, I want to get back to the main topic.

During his last term, Trump initially refused to sign NASA's budget. He even made a bit of a scene, claiming "I don't have my pen" as an excuse. But once someone handed him a pen, he suddenly remembered how important it was to sign the bill after all, and signed it. To me, this shows that while he was reluctant at first, a little nudge and encouragement was all it took for him to sign.

Lately, his rhetoric on fighting the LGBT lobby seems to be a bit of a fixation, and to me, it feels more like a strategy to keep Elon Musk on his side. It doesn’t really make sense to keep pushing these issues like challenging the LGBT lobby or anti-vax rhetoric when he’s already won the election. Dividing people and stirring up hatred doesn’t serve him at this point. So I think a lot of this is just about keeping Musk in his corner, especially with Musk’s ongoing plans for Mars.

The reason I think Trump will ultimately approve the NASA budget again is that, whether he likes it or not, he’s still tied to the funding behind things like space missions. Those “moon landing” projects, even if they might not be entirely transparent, are crucial to maintaining his political and financial backing, particularly from big tech figures like Musk. It’s unfortunate, because this constant push for space exploration, tied to corporations and their agendas, will likely come at the cost of addressing the real issues, like the fight against the LGBT lobby or the broader social problems that many Americans care about. It's a tough pill to swallow, but I think he’ll make the same compromises again signing the budget, even if it means betraying some of the values he claims to support.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23506 on: November 11, 2024, 05:22:47 AM »
I beg you guys to stop consuming so much blue anon content.

You think I zeroed in on the gender part, and not the condescending highly educated part? hahaha... of course, Trump loves the poorly educated.

I was also going to mention the focus on right wing propaganda on social media. The counter to all this scary right wing propaganda was left wing propaganda. They spent billions, they hired TikTokers, and celebrities. They had Beyonce and Oprah! I saw way more ads for Harris than for Trump. The left played the propaganda game, and they lost. Perhaps because they never articulated how great they are, and focused on how terrible Trump is.

Yes.  It’s the same part.  You think he’s wrong on gender stuff and being condescending about it.  And you’re right that part comes across as condescending. He fell into the same stupid trap he talks about elsewhere, which is about perceptions.  They come as much from an endorsement by the likes Beyonce as from scary right wing propaganda.

Is blue anon supposed to be the left equivalent to Qanon? 

Why?  Because the left wing rags are all frantically trying to figure out how exactly the Dems lost so badly? 

What they should be doing of course is spreading conspiracy theories that they didn’t.  All looks very sus to me!

To the left who still complain:

If you understand religion, then you start to understand reality. "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you." The typical Democrat is a Pharisee. A morally upright person who convinces themselves that their actions are good while neglecting the finer pointS of mercy. The only difference in 2000 years is that they have replaced the law of Moses with the woke law of social justice and climate change.

Only, as they were willing even to cheat in the last election, they think there can be no repercussions. What did Jesus mean by this above quote. He meant that there is karma in this world, and if you neglect the widows and orphans (you cannot just continue to punish the "rich" while Americans tell you that it is harder and harder each year for lower classes to earn enough to make rent; when they tell you that LA is a place where the middle class is priced into homelessness, and then allow ed to shit in the street and jabbed with addictive drugs, and you don't even think that this is a terrible thing).

 What Jesus meant is that the world literally mirrors your thoughts and actions. Yesterday, I set in church behind a hot mom. I admit that I'm kinda into her, and it distracts somewhat from the service. However, her kid really distracts from the service, as this kid paws at his own mom. I have decided he's probably possessed by a ghost of my own unrequited lustful desires, but this last Sunday, he was particularly bad (he went behind her grabbed her by the back and pulled in and out, like he was having anal sex with her). What we see and hear reflects the flaws in our own hearts.

The point is, when one side claims you cheated and you gaslight them, and then the next election, you tell them that Trump obviously cheated, well... I guess you're imagining things.

Not that I do think there was a steal. If anything, the fraud votes you were gonna try were exposed, and people involved tossed them. Quick bit of advice: don't call the American public garbage. People who have done that usually find in any fair vote that they soundly lose.

We are supposed to be able to get along. The left is supposed to help the poor through their social work, and the right is supposed to provide jobs for those who work. But the Ivy League woke elite has time and again betrayed the working poor with high taxes and penalties. The chickens that your regulations wouldn't let people raise on their own land are coming home to roost. Because you neither cared for widows (who because she had wealth, you thought had a duty to pay to you, because to you being rich is a sin, and saving money to live in... no, you think a widow ought to pay her last mite in taxes to fund migrants she doesn't even like) nor orphans (condemned once to you are the fate of children ripped from their parents in human trafficking that is commonly called illegal immigration; condemned twice to you are normal children who are twisted by the trans agenda, who wind up on the street as a prostitute because their parents tossed them out for what you taught them; and your third condemnation is the utter failure of the foster care system, where most kids grow up abused, and age out as criminals), thus God has... granted you the mercy of only seeing yourself fail miserably in a popularity contest. He has not punished you as you deserve. So also, I will not punish you, but you must understand that what you do has  side effects.

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It doesn’t really make sense to keep pushing these issues like challenging the LGBT lobby or anti-vax rhetoric when he’s already won the election.

It makes perfect sense. Vaccinations are only helpful is they aren't tainted drugs. More and more, vaccinations are given unhelpful fillers (adjuvants) which include things like mercury.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201027-what-is-added-to-vaccines
Worse, the last "vaccine" had mRNA in it, which people worried would turn into DNA, and make their children either deadly sick or something not quite human. And this was done without the input or say of parents or kids.
In the same way, parents were told their kids wanted to be transgender. Once again, they have no say over kids potentially sterilizing themselves.

These things are gross examples of anti-natalism, and frankly, child abuse. This is not just some thing he's doing after the election to be petty. This is something pretty damned important.

Now, should existing trans people have right to exist in Trump presidency? Yes, they should. But corrupting the youth, and trying to campaign for abortion values is off the table. As a genderfluid person, I care about society allowing crossdressing to be as regular as women wearing pants. But I'm deeply disgusted with all of this transgender story time in attempts to get young boys to think about cutting our their privates.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23507 on: November 11, 2024, 07:03:48 AM »
I beg you guys to stop consuming so much blue anon content.

You think I zeroed in on the gender part, and not the condescending highly educated part? hahaha... of course, Trump loves the poorly educated.

I was also going to mention the focus on right wing propaganda on social media. The counter to all this scary right wing propaganda was left wing propaganda. They spent billions, they hired TikTokers, and celebrities. They had Beyonce and Oprah! I saw way more ads for Harris than for Trump. The left played the propaganda game, and they lost. Perhaps because they never articulated how great they are, and focused on how terrible Trump is.

Yes.  It’s the same part.  You think he’s wrong on gender stuff and being condescending about it.  And you’re right that part comes across as condescending. He fell into the same stupid trap he talks about elsewhere, which is about perceptions.  They come as much from an endorsement by the likes Beyonce as from scary right wing propaganda.

Is blue anon supposed to be the left equivalent to Qanon? 

Why?  Because the left wing rags are all frantically trying to figure out how exactly the Dems lost so badly? 

What they should be doing of course is spreading conspiracy theories that they didn’t.  All looks very sus to me!

I do think he is wrong on the gender stuff and he was being condescending about it, that is true, but the condescension is the problem. Honestly my brain jumped right to "highly educated" and wasn't even trying to debate gender identity. His snobbery was too much. It is a problem on the left. You don't want to use neo-pronouns, and think microaggressions are stupid? Pshhhh, obviously you need to read some Butler and educate yourself.

BlueAnon is the leftish equivalent to QAnon, but probably not quite as batshit. They're the ones who tried to convince the world the blue wave was happening. The left wing rags aren't really trying to figure out why the Dems lost so badly, because they know https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/  What they're trying to do is blame the loss on "whiteness" or "transphobia" or "rightwing disinformation" or "unregulated social media". Take your pick. I try to read as much of that sort of thing as I can stand, but it soon becomes obvious that they are self-censoring. The left trained itself to fear the free exchange of ideas because they didn't want to rile up the mob they helped create.

There are conspiracy theories about the Dems loss, and some of them are being spread by people who should know better. Hopefully the msm will resist the urge to fan the flames.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23508 on: November 11, 2024, 07:58:31 AM »
Condescension is indeed a problem that is widespread. But this is what I meant about widows and orphans.

The book of Deuteronomy says that there should be a tithe on all produce.

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You will surely tithe all the increase of your seed, that which comes forth from the field year by year.
  You will eat before the Lord your God, in the place which he will choose, to cause his name to dwell there, the tithe of your grain, of your new wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and of your flock; that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always.
  If the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry it, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God will choose, to set his name there, when the Lord your God will bless you;   then you will turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and will go to the place which the Lord your God will choose: and you will bestow the money for whatever your soul desires, for cattle, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatever your soul asks of you; and you will eat there before the Lord your God, and you will rejoice, you and your household.
The Levite who is within your gates, you will not forsake him; for he has no portion nor inheritance with you.  At the end of every three years you will bring forth all the tithe of your increase in the same year, and will lay it up within your gates:
and the Levite, the foreigner living among you, and the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your gates, will come, and will eat and be satisfied; that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.

Now is there this meal every three years for the widow, the orphan, the foreigner, and the Levite? No there is not. Not remotely. Orphans are treated badly in the foster care system, their "parents" often letting them almost starve to get more money out of the system. Widows get an inheritance, but with heavy taxes on income and housing, a good chunk of this is robbed from them every year. Foreigners are used for low income employment or cheating on elections, but we have far more foreigners than can be paid a living wage, and they tend to live in subpar migrant housing. The closest thing we have to Levites is our military class of veterans and our priests. The priests would live tax-free, but the woke left insists that despite them having a charity, they should be defunded (conflating multi-millionaire televangelists with $40,000 a year priests). And our veterans often wind up homeless in our streets with serious handicaps from armed conflicts.  In all of these ways, the woke left is accused. If they repent, I can see no way that God will not restore their fortunes. But the point in all of this is that they have been greedy, condescending, and controlling, managing poorly what they had and attempting to bully others into giving what they had to live on.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23509 on: November 11, 2024, 08:22:04 AM »


A fringe issue that threatened to starve poor kids.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23510 on: November 11, 2024, 04:33:03 PM »
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/11/far-right-israeli-minister-orders-preparations-for-west-bank-annexation

Fantastic news. Trump is on track to solve the problem of the Palestinians. A final solution one might say.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23511 on: November 11, 2024, 05:28:25 PM »
Is that somehow different from what is happening now?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23512 on: November 11, 2024, 10:33:56 PM »
Is that somehow different from what is happening now?
Yes.
The US president elect will support it instead of sending a sternly worded letter.
You have been ignored for common interest of mankind.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23513 on: November 12, 2024, 08:25:21 AM »
Is that somehow different from what is happening now?

Yes.  Biden and most other presidents have prevented Israel from annexing the West Bank. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/25/us/politics/miriam-adelson-trump-israel.html

Trump accepted a large donation from Miriam Adelson with the intention of making Israel gets to annex whatever as part of official US policy.

Pros of this plan;

We can finally stop hearing about this "war".
The Uncommitted movement will get a painful education on what happens when you vote for the greater of two evils.

Cons;

We'll be complicit in another genocide.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23514 on: November 12, 2024, 09:06:29 AM »
To be fair: genocide of cultures is very muchly what America is known for.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23515 on: November 12, 2024, 12:01:25 PM »
I know that Miriam Adelson donated $100 million, but she denies it was contingent upon the annexation of Gaza. She probably does want that to happen, though.



BUT you should relaxium! Mike Huckabee will be the ambassador to Israel!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23516 on: November 12, 2024, 01:39:59 PM »
Well.  At least as it's not Mike Pillow these choices don't look really bad.  But there's lots of time for that.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23517 on: November 12, 2024, 01:53:25 PM »
I wonder what an ambassador actually does. Maybe he'll just take his pills and sleep.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23518 on: November 12, 2024, 02:15:04 PM »
I get the impression it's just a job the president can hand out as a favor to the loyal. I think an ambassador that can actually speak the local language is rare. 

This isn't specific to trump. Maybe it's just an easy job.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #23519 on: November 12, 2024, 03:32:03 PM »
I am very curious about who he will choose as press secretary. I bet that is one of the toughest Trump administration jobs. The press will suddenly remember that they are supposed to be adversarial.
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