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Why do you support Donald Trump?

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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20910 on: November 09, 2021, 12:44:14 AM »
I'm assuming her comments are in regard to Virginia where the Democrats got an absolute ass kicking.

There's a few theories I've heard that seem plausible.

One of the biggest I think is the theory that Democrats see the entire Republican party as tainted by Trump.  But Republicans don't.  So unless Trump is appearing in public with a candidate then Republicans are confused and annoyed as to why Democrats bring up Trump as a reason to not vote for any particular Republican candidate.  If this is true then I think you can see how dumb stunts like the Lincoln Project false flag would backfire.

Another is education.  There's the whole CRT thing.  There's also pandemic school shutdowns which I guess Virginia might have overdone it.

If Democrats don't get their shit together soon then they're going to be an endangered species in 2024.

This guy did a focus group on women voters in Virginia. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457773727156879379?s=20  His findings are very interesting. Most of the women don't like Trump, don't want him reelected, and think he is a racist. They voted for Younkin because McAuliffe really screwed up when he told them their kids' education isn't their business. They also didn't think Younkin was like Trump at all, and McAuliffe kept comparing him to Trump. They think Democrats are better on policy, but crazy on cultural issues (I feel exactly the same). They are worried about the cost of gas and groceries.

Reading the replies to this guy's tweet is good window into how warped people on the left are. They don't even want to know why people are turning away from the Dems. They're just certain it's all about white supremacy.

I wouldn't heap too much blame on McAuliffe.  Yeah the education thing was a world class gaffe.  But there's something that goes beyond that.  McAuliffe wasn't the only one that did terribly that day.  Very important and worrisome to remember.  it would seem that the opinion has turned against democrats.  Let's hope they figure out how to turn it back in less than a year.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20911 on: November 09, 2021, 02:30:34 AM »

One year into this administration and if you strip away Trump's embarrassing behavior and culture war nonsense then not a whole lot has changed. 
Isn't that the whole idea?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20912 on: November 09, 2021, 06:58:48 AM »
What is the major difference between the Dems claiming "every republican is with Trump" and the Repubs saying "everything the Dems want to do is communism/socialism"?  Why would one generalization lead to voting for the other party and not the other?  I know that wasn't the only factor, but it sounds like it may have been a big one.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20913 on: November 15, 2021, 09:22:39 AM »
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/steve-bannon-surrenders-contempt-charges/100622860

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Steve Bannon has surrendered to US federal authorities to face contempt charges after defying a subpoena from a House of Representatives committee investigating the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

Mr Bannon, a longtime ally of former US president Donald Trump, was taken into custody Monday morning local time and is expected to appear in court later in the afternoon.

Speaking to his supporters, Mr Bannon looked directly into the camera that was live-streaming on conservative social media app GETTR and urged them to remain focused.

"We're taking down the Biden regime," Mr Bannon said.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt – one for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee's subpoena.

The indictment came as a second expected witness, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, defied his own subpoena from the committee on Friday and as Mr Trump has escalated his legal battles to withhold documents and testimony about the insurrection.

If the House votes to hold Mr Meadows in contempt, that recommendation would also be sent to the Justice Department for a possible indictment.

More than 30 people close to the former president have been ordered to testify about what happened in the run-up to January 6, when thousands of people stormed the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent formal congressional certification of Mr Trump's election loss to Joe Biden.

I wonder if they have considered taking down a president through a democratic election? Or is a coup more to their style?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20914 on: November 15, 2021, 10:27:43 AM »
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/steve-bannon-surrenders-contempt-charges/100622860

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Steve Bannon has surrendered to US federal authorities to face contempt charges after defying a subpoena from a House of Representatives committee investigating the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol.

Mr Bannon, a longtime ally of former US president Donald Trump, was taken into custody Monday morning local time and is expected to appear in court later in the afternoon.

Speaking to his supporters, Mr Bannon looked directly into the camera that was live-streaming on conservative social media app GETTR and urged them to remain focused.

"We're taking down the Biden regime," Mr Bannon said.

The 67-year-old was indicted on Friday on two counts of criminal contempt – one for refusing to appear for a congressional deposition and the other for refusing to provide documents in response to the committee's subpoena.

The indictment came as a second expected witness, former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, defied his own subpoena from the committee on Friday and as Mr Trump has escalated his legal battles to withhold documents and testimony about the insurrection.

If the House votes to hold Mr Meadows in contempt, that recommendation would also be sent to the Justice Department for a possible indictment.

More than 30 people close to the former president have been ordered to testify about what happened in the run-up to January 6, when thousands of people stormed the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent formal congressional certification of Mr Trump's election loss to Joe Biden.

I wonder if they have considered taking down a president through a democratic election? Or is a coup more to their style?

A coup would allow them more... freedom... to ensure they can't be removed afterwards.  I mean, is it REALLY a good idea to allow DEMOCRATS to HIJACK the country every 4 years?  Surely we should allow the ELECTED PRESIDENT of our great nation to guild this nation as LONG AS IS NEEDED.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20915 on: November 15, 2021, 10:32:46 AM »
What is the major difference between the Dems claiming "every republican is with Trump" and the Repubs saying "everything the Dems want to do is communism/socialism"?  Why would one generalization lead to voting for the other party and not the other?  I know that wasn't the only factor, but it sounds like it may have been a big one.

because the false equivalency is provable in that "RINOs" and "DINOs" exist in different levels of magnitude.

republican base are exiling ostracizing and doxing their rinos while the dinos are trying to find common ground and making bullshit exceptions and caving to all big corp demands.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20916 on: November 15, 2021, 03:28:22 PM »
I wonder if they have considered taking down a president through a democratic election? Or is a coup more to their style?
The democratic election didn't work out, so they decided to go with plan B.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20917 on: December 06, 2021, 09:20:06 PM »
LOL, Devin Nunes is going to be the CEO....   I wonder what his cows will do now?

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/who-just-gave-donald-trump-1-billion-128052293835

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20918 on: December 07, 2021, 03:14:42 AM »
LOL, Devin Nunes  is going to be the CEO....   I wonder what his cows will do now?

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/who-just-gave-donald-trump-1-billion-128052293835

"Trump is rich!" His supports say.  So why does he need $1 billion dollars????
Also, why would the republicans allow a rep to leave now?  Are they that sure his replacement will be a republican?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20919 on: December 14, 2021, 05:09:56 PM »
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What Fox News hosts said privately vs. publicly on Jan. 6

I don't know where else you can watch the short video https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1470855510605840391?s=20
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20920 on: December 14, 2021, 05:40:34 PM »
There's also this that came out recently.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/06/jan-6-generals-lied-ex-dc-guard-official-523777
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/12/13/meadows-national-guard-would-protect-pro-trump-people-jan-6/6497829001/

One of the people who decided to just wait and see what happened on January 6 was Charles Flynn who is the brother of Michael Flynn.

This looks very serious.  It looks like the military intentionally stood by just to see if these Trump people could pull this off.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20921 on: December 14, 2021, 06:51:44 PM »
They had this plan to overthrow the election result / chop off Mike Pences head and leave his corpse hanging from a tree and murdering any democrat they can find. Ok.

But what was the plan after that? What was the plan to keep their intended government? What was the plan to get the governments of the world to recognise their 'Dear Leader' Trump and for his government to continue?

All they could ever have hoped to accomplish was a hiccup. There was no plan to keep Trump in power because systems in place could not allow it. America is a player in the global community and there is no way they would accept it

I do notice now Trump is managing people to ensure if such a thing happened again, the level of cronyism and nepotism would let him get away with anything he wants.

A true dictator wannabe

Well if you guys vote for him (should he or his rotten seed run), you guys deserve what is blindingly obvious to everyone else.

Anericans should demand better from their elected officials. Mature. Dignified. Diplomatic. Pragmatic. Willing to compromise. Intelligent. An all round nice guy or gal

Trump is none of those things. Neither is any other popular repug with his eye on the top job (eg Ted Cruz). All your past presidents on both sides were some of these things.

But after Trump, nobody gives a shit anymore about looking good or being decent. That goes beyond American politics too sadly.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20922 on: December 14, 2021, 07:43:57 PM »
I suspect that there is a faction within the GOP who would love to purge the party of Trump nutters.

This might be their chance.

https://hillreporter.com/watch-mcconnell-says-it-will-be-interesting-to-see-which-1-6-participants-are-revealed-119984

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20923 on: December 14, 2021, 08:06:32 PM »
That train has sailed.  There was never a better time than the second impeachment.  They chose madness.
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« Reply #20924 on: December 14, 2021, 10:26:41 PM »
That train has sailed.  There was never a better time than the second impeachment.  They chose madness.

Agreed.  Republicans who are trump supporters don't want a good presidentz they want a ruthless dictator.  They want someone who doesn't compromise.  Who uses violence to get his way.  Is a man.  And will put liberals in their place to ensure they never harm america again.

He doesn't have to be smart, just blunt and simple.  No complex plans or speeches.  Just good old fashioned 'hit it with a hammer til it it works.'
Or
'Just have every teacher have a gun.  Easy.'
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20925 on: December 14, 2021, 10:53:31 PM »
It's a hard to pill to swallow but, and I say this without hyperbole, in 2024 we stand a significant chance of losing our democracy.

The scenario is more likely then less unless democrats start to do their jobs.  But the democrats will not do their jobs.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20926 on: December 15, 2021, 05:52:56 AM »
It's a hard to pill to swallow but, and I say this without hyperbole, in 2024 we stand a significant chance of losing our democracy.

The scenario is more likely then less unless democrats start to do their jobs.  But the democrats will not do their jobs.
The dems are great at one thing: caving. Wait, 2 things. Caving, and losing. Someone else in the internet somewhere pointed out what they saw as the biggest difference between the 2 parties in the US, and I don't think it was very far off. They said (paraphrasing here) Democrats will tell you they understand the problems you face, and then do nothing about it. Republicans will actively make things worse.

There's no winning here. There's not really a saving grace. We have a party devoted to a godking that wants nothing less than all of their money and all of their attention all of the time, and a party devoted to complete and utter incompetence in terms of governing.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20927 on: December 15, 2021, 06:12:48 AM »

Time to give Bernie and his cabal of witches a turn?
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« Reply #20928 on: December 15, 2021, 07:10:55 AM »

Time to give Bernie and his cabal of witches a turn?
Yes, it's about time the US political system gave some young blood a turn.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20929 on: December 15, 2021, 07:24:45 AM »
In defense of the Democrats inability to govern currently, they do have a very slim majority which includes 2 members who may be more classically moderate Republican than actual Democrat (one of which has to be in order to stay in the Senate due to being from West Virginia).  This makes it very difficult to pass much of anything of substance.  Of course, the obvious solution to this problem is going to be electing more people from the party that want to actively destroy the very foundation of our country's democracy and prevent any progress from being made to better the country for the 99%.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20930 on: December 15, 2021, 07:56:13 AM »
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change the title to "USA congress": if you're not part of the solution, there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20931 on: December 15, 2021, 08:51:18 AM »

Time to give Bernie and his cabal of witches a turn?

Old age hasn't slowed Bernie down in my opinion.  But because of the way our system works we're pretty much stuck with Biden for 2024.  Unless Biden has a stroke or something.  In which case Kamala Harris has dibs on running.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20932 on: December 15, 2021, 09:03:48 AM »

Agreed, while Biden looks like he's mainlining Largactil and Kamala looks like she is administering it, for reasons.

I really think Bernie and the good witches are your only hope, I may startup a PAnon site to promote it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20933 on: December 15, 2021, 09:06:32 AM »
I think we need to borrow the whole British parliament thing so the smaller parties have actual representation in congress. In return, they could borrow our objectively better use of the letter "Z" in words that end with "ize". It's a win-win.

Honestly though, we should have more parties representing more values and forcing legislators to have real debates about real issues using that much broader selection of views. If a smaller party only gets 5% of the vote, they should get 5% representation in congress instead of 0%. We fucked up something huge with first-past-the-post.

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« Reply #20934 on: December 15, 2021, 10:27:54 AM »
I think we need to borrow the whole British parliament thing so the smaller parties have actual representation in congress.
Err, we are even more unbalanced - you should be looking at Continental systems like Spain or Germany for that.  Our first past the post system means a party can win 40% of the vote and have pretty much total power.

Now our Prime Ministers can be removed by their MPs at any time, but if they can keep them on side and have a majority then they can pretty much do what they like.  The smaller parties might get some representation, but there is usually fuck all they can actually do.  PMs are domestically more powerful than your President in many ways.

Oh and Bernie Sanders will be 83 at the next election, meaning he would 87 by the of the term.  Seriously?  Can you really not find anyone who doesn't think electric lights are a cool new innovation?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20935 on: December 15, 2021, 11:42:14 AM »
Well he wouldn't be running this election for the aforementioned reasons.  So we're talking 2028 at which time he would be 91.

Shouldn't be a problem.  He doesn't look a day over 75 to me.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20936 on: December 15, 2021, 12:49:02 PM »
Look, in America there are only 2 jobs we can give to the olds. Walmart greeter and high profile politician. The Walmarts wouldn't take these assholes.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20937 on: December 15, 2021, 01:02:08 PM »
Indeed. I'm beginning to think congress is just a make work program for people who keep getting kicked out of the olive garden for racist tirades.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20938 on: December 15, 2021, 01:18:31 PM »
it's a circle jerk
they go in either as top whitehouse admin or as congress and come out as VP for some big pharma/ oil/ bank/ argo/ etc etc.
then back in again when circle of power needs "topping off" after a short dem run.


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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #20939 on: December 15, 2021, 05:09:06 PM »
No surprise there,  one of the texts was sent by Jim Jordan. 

https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/12-15-2021/jim-jordan-text-Jan6/

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