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Why do you support Donald Trump?

I don't want mexicans to come
21 (27.6%)
I want him to fight terrorism
11 (14.5%)
Free trade is bad
5 (6.6%)
He is the wild card we need
39 (51.3%)

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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17490 on: January 27, 2020, 02:51:47 PM »
It is difficult to cut through the noise of a lifetime of exposure to propaganda. My understanding of leftist and liberal is that liberals want to use the existing framework of government to make changes and leftists want to tear it all down. Liberals aren't (at least in the US) anti capitalist, leftists are anti capitalist. They have a slightly different view of class hierarchies. I think liberals are more accepting of their existence, maybe see them as inevitable. I don't know about that last bit. (I don't really know about any of it, tbh)
Yeah I guess it's kinda like that.

Liberals are by definition pro capitalism, in most countries liberals are considered right wing, "liberal conservative" is a thing. I guess somewhere else the republicans would be liberal conservatives and the democrats would be liberal progressives/centrists. Then you'd have the center left/left liberals, which is social democrats like Sanders and the rest of the left wing of the social party, who aren't exactly liberals, and then you'd have the left, which is more radical socialists, communists etc. The left doesn't have a single unifying ideology, it's very broad. You might also have the far right, which is third way adherents (aka fascists) etc. These people may sometimes imitate leftist rhetoric, because they also broadly dislike liberalism and want to attract similar demographics, but they're also super racist and nationalist, and aren't really anticapitalist in the same way as leftists are, they just want an authoritarian state with some influence on the market. These terms have been in use like that for very long time and in a lot of literature, but they became very confused mostly starting from the US where the spectrum of acceptable politics was pretty narrow compared to other places (wasn't always like that, if you read older stuff from American writers the terms are often less confused, stuff got really weird during the Cold War) and now it's beginning to bleed into other countries too because of globalisation and the Internet. It's very weird to see people here call leftists liberals when the main right wing party describe themselves as liberal and while we have a literal communist party in parliament which endlessly complains about liberalism, but it seems like some people now learn about politics in their country by looking at American memes or something.

I think the distinction will become more apparent though, because the left faction of the democrat party has become a bit more influential, and I believe people are already seeing that there is clearly a difference between Sanders etc. and the mainstream of the democratic party.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17491 on: January 27, 2020, 03:26:55 PM »
I wonder when "liberal" became like a cuss word in the US. I was in high school when Reagan was president, and I didn't really pay that much attention to politics. We didn't have the internet like it is now, so what you knew came from the news.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17492 on: January 27, 2020, 03:41:46 PM »
I wonder when "liberal" became like a cuss word in the US. I was in high school when Reagan was president, and I didn't really pay that much attention to politics. We didn't have the internet like it is now, so what you knew came from the news.

Probably around that time, I'm not sure though. I found this on Wikipedia, idk how accurate it is:

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Conservative activists since the 1970s have employed liberal as an epithet, giving it an ominous or sinister connotation while invoking phrases like "free enterprise", "individual rights", "patriotic" and "the American way" to describe opponents of liberalism.[205] Historian John Lukacs noted in 2004 that then-President George W. Bush, confident that many Americans regarded liberal as a pejorative term, used it to label his political opponents during campaign speeches while his opponents subsequently avoided identifying themselves as liberal

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Ronald Reagan's ridicule of liberalism is credited with transforming the word liberal into a derogatory epithet that any politician seeking national office would avoid.[206][207] His speechwriters repeatedly contrasted "liberals" and "real Americans". For example, Reagan's then-Secretary of the Interior James G. Watt said: "I never use the words Republicans and Democrats. It's liberals and Americans". Reagan warned the United States of modern secularists who condoned abortion, excused teenage sexuality, opposed school prayer and attenuated traditional American values.

I guess Reagan just decided to differentiate himself from the Democrats on the grounds of social issues, identified social liberalism with liberalism in general and contrasted it to conservatism, or "real Americans" or whatever. Then that definition became popular and eventually people came to regard liberalism as being a left wing ideology because it's what the republicans decided to call Democrats, despite the fact they were both broadly liberals with different degrees of social liberalism, and since the Democrats were to the left of republicans, the Democrats became synonymous to the left, and liberalism became synonymous to the left too.

I'm not sure if that's exactly how it happened because idk how reliable these sources are or if I'm missing something but it makes sense.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17493 on: January 27, 2020, 04:30:15 PM »


You might find this interesting (and stupid). I used to watch this late at night in the summertime. We didn't have cable, lol.
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« Reply #17494 on: January 27, 2020, 06:09:02 PM »
So I listened to a little bit of the defense, it boiled down to "but Obama"
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17495 on: January 27, 2020, 06:26:52 PM »
I've listened to the first hour or so.  Ken Starr, the guy that impeached a president for lying about a blowjob, first complaining about impeachment being weaponized.  Then said impeachment isn't necessary because congress can always exercise oversight and subpoena witnesses and documents. 

I can only assume this was meant to troll the democrats.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17496 on: January 27, 2020, 06:33:54 PM »
It boils down to the case presented by Congress is a very weak case, which is why they're trying to pressure the Senate to do the work they should have done and build a stronger case.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17497 on: January 27, 2020, 06:43:44 PM »
How so?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17498 on: January 27, 2020, 07:45:22 PM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17499 on: January 27, 2020, 07:58:39 PM »
I don't think was thinking about the country when he withheld funds unless Ukraine investigates his political rival.

This is a guy that boasts 'I can do whatever the hell I want'

To go through the impeachment process is necessary even if trumps repugnican stooges will clear him anyway. It's down for the history books at least that will taint his tenure. Let any future presidents beware that they cannot do 'whatever the hell they want'.

The cover up is usually worse than the crime. Trump has inpeded the investigation so there's that.

Having an intern suck your dick is not impeachable but lying in court under oath is. That's what got Bill Clinton done. Trump should fry on the 2nd charge of his alone.

Just pass the baton to Pence who will at least restore a little dignity to the office.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17500 on: January 27, 2020, 09:33:17 PM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

The issue with this argument is that it ignores the process that was done.
If Trump had the interest of America at heart, why do this to someone who wasn't in office?  Joe Biden has no real political power right now. (Ie. He is not in any office).  If it was to prevent a bad person from being president, why not start the investigation in America and work outwards?  That would be the most logical way to go, not 'hey Ukraine, can you see if my most likely political enemy did something wrong?'

And why withhold the money at all?  Trump didn't do anything to 'check for corruption' or whatever his reasons were.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17501 on: January 27, 2020, 11:24:02 PM »


You might find this interesting (and stupid). I used to watch this late at night in the summertime. We didn't have cable, lol.
That's basically the alpha version of Alex Jones, right? Alpha as in early of course, they're both betas.
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« Reply #17502 on: January 27, 2020, 11:37:16 PM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17503 on: January 28, 2020, 08:57:38 AM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)

In other news, Trump is still your president. So deal with it. :P
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17504 on: January 28, 2020, 09:48:42 AM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)

In other news, Trump is still your president. So deal with it. :P

This is a shitty attitude to have.  This is, quite literally, how dictators get power.  A bunch if die hard fans allow him to do as he pleases, praising him for it, and tells/pushes down anyone who criticizes.

So yeah. 

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17505 on: January 28, 2020, 11:40:57 AM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)

In other news, Trump is still your president. So deal with it. :P

This is a shitty attitude to have.  This is, quite literally, how dictators get power.  A bunch if die hard fans allow him to do as he pleases, praising him for it, and tells/pushes down anyone who criticizes.

So yeah.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17506 on: January 28, 2020, 11:42:23 AM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)

In other news, Trump is still your president. So deal with it. :P

This is a shitty attitude to have.  This is, quite literally, how dictators get power.  A bunch if die hard fans allow him to do as he pleases, praising him for it, and tells/pushes down anyone who criticizes.

So yeah.

I thought everyone knew by now to never take me seriously.

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« Reply #17507 on: January 28, 2020, 02:52:34 PM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)

In other news, Trump is still your president. So deal with it. :P

This is a shitty attitude to have.  This is, quite literally, how dictators get power.  A bunch if die hard fans allow him to do as he pleases, praising him for it, and tells/pushes down anyone who criticizes.

So yeah.

I thought everyone knew by now to never take me seriously.

Its always hard to tell.

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« Reply #17509 on: January 28, 2020, 03:42:06 PM »
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« Reply #17510 on: January 28, 2020, 03:58:51 PM »
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« Reply #17511 on: January 28, 2020, 04:28:32 PM »
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Impeachment Ratings Skyrocket After Introducing Agitated Horde Of Honey Badgers

WASHINGTON, D.C.—Congress has been having problems getting anyone to watch the impeachment trial, since everyone wants to do more productive things like argue on the internet or play video games.

But the trial's ratings quickly rebounded after producers released an angry horde of honey badgers into the Senate chambers.

"Now this I'll watch," said one man in Texas, sitting up and watching with rapt attention as a frantic Adam Schiff attempted to fight a honey badger off with his shoe. "That's what I'm talking about -- quality entertainment."

"Watch your back, Mitch!" he screamed as two honey badgers leaped onto Mitch McConnell's head.

Producers had reportedly met to come up with ways to get viewers. They discussed everything from holding the proceedings in the middle of a monster truck rally to having Adam Schiff strap himself into some water skis and jump over a shark. But finally, they settled on the honey badgers.

"Americans aren't interested in the ins and outs of a technical trial like this, but they'll tune in to watch politicians fight for their lives against honey badgers," one executive producer of the program said. "Vicious little guys. If Firefly had only introduced a horde of honey badgers, it would probably be on its 18th season by now."

The honey badgers left no survivors, causing Congress's approval ratings to increase sharply.

I welcome our new honey badger overlords.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17512 on: January 28, 2020, 04:33:54 PM »
There seems to be a glimmer of hope that witnesses could be called.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mcconnell-says-gop-lacks-votes-to-block-impeachment-witnesses-wsj-2020-01-28

Pence 2020!!!!
Or at least for the remainder of this term!

If this thing wipes out both Trump & Pence, Nancy finishes out the term.
No. That sudden lurch forwards is the atmospheric slosh effect.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17513 on: January 28, 2020, 04:49:05 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/republican-trump-aid-impeachable/index.html

They appear to be pivoting to the "yeah he did it, so what?" phase.  Where they agree that Trump did this so there's no need to call in more witnesses and then of course vote to acquit.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17514 on: January 28, 2020, 04:51:57 PM »
Yeah, he both commited a high crime and misdemeanour and yeah he blocked and obstructed the investigation.

So what?


Do the repugnicans have no dignity?

One would hope they clamour at the chance to rid themselves of their horrible boss.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17515 on: January 28, 2020, 05:01:47 PM »
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/politics/republican-trump-aid-impeachable/index.html

They appear to be pivoting to the "yeah he did it, so what?" phase.  Where they agree that Trump did this so there's no need to call in more witnesses and then of course vote to acquit.

It appears to be something like "Hey, guys, I don't think we have the votes." "Oh rly fool? HOLD MY BEER I got this. I'ma go say some crazy shit and see what happens." Kinda like when you get caught as a baddie in a game of Werepenguin and have a fleeting few moments to decide... Do I admit it, or do I go out on a ledge and see how long I can ride this out before the game is over for me?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17516 on: January 28, 2020, 05:27:19 PM »
It sort of reminds me of how every game of Grand Theft Auto I've ever played has ended.  I run over some pedestrians.  The cops chase me.  I keep killing more innocent people.  They keep sending more cops.  Some part of me thinks that blowing up enough police helicopters will somehow solve this problem.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17517 on: January 29, 2020, 01:29:41 AM »
No high crimes and misdemeanors. Haven't shown that his intention in asking Ukraine to investigate was for his own political interest and not the country's. (It can be beneficial to both and still be completely legal. If not, many if not most presidents should have been impeached) The subpoenas they issued weren't even valid because of procedural errors. Most of the testimonies were people's opinions. Ambassador Sondland was the only one to testify who had first hand knowledge. He testified that Trump specifically said no quid pro quo. (In reality there was a quid pro quo, but there is nothing wrong with a quid pro quo per se. Again, it has to be shown that Trump's intent was for personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.)

To commence the investigation was ill-advised. But an ill-advised investigation is not what needs to be demonstrated.

Let's break this down.

Extorting Ukraine and obstructing congress falls under the definition of high crime and misdemeanor.

Everyone under oath swears that he had the intention of extorting Ukraine.  Anyone who would have spoken directly to Trump about it is blocked from testifying.  Why are they blocked from testimony?  Is it because they don't want to make Trump too innocent?  Jesus tap dancing Christ,  his former national security advisor is releasing a book with a chapter on it.  Contemplate this... no one who would exonerate Trump is being asked to testify.  Why is that?

Trump specifically said "no quid pro quo"?  Oh.  Case closed.  Because if the defended said they didn't do it then that's it.

Oh hold the phone.  Procedural errors!  Holy Shit, man.  I'm sorry.  I didn't know.  These monsters didn't accurate fill out the A0 88 authorization for a subpeona?  MADNESS!  Obviously conspiracies to defraud the public and cheat in an election pale in comparison to not having a notary public notarize the subpoenas. 

And, oh my lord.  I just found this out with some research.  I have no choice but to go full #MAGA after this atrocity.  I don't mean to upset you so please sit down before you read this.  Those monsterous house democrats failed to honor House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1).  THIS WILL NOT STAND!  I'm booking a flight to DC and I'm demanding the immediate resignation from Adam Schiff. 

This is a dark day my friends.  They say that there's two things that people will never forget.  The first being where they were on 9-11 and how they found out that the Democrats didn't follow House Rule XI, clause 2(j)(1)
Let's break this down for you again. Actually first, think about whether deciding to impeach, then casting about for a reason is likely to lead to reliable results.

Beating the opposition to death with a boot would also probably be considered a high crime and misdemeanor. The issue is, in order to prove that Trump "extorted Ukraine" you would have to prove that Trump's intent was to gain a personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country. The case for that is weak at best. A bunch of partisans stating under oath that they feel Trump meant to "extorted Ukraine" is not strong evidence. Also, they could have subpoenaed anyone, they just needed to go through the legal process like any other subpoena. I'm baffled why you think it's OK to throw due process out the window.

And yes, you can't charge him with Obstruction of Congress when that charge is based on him not complying with subpoenas that are not valid due to procedural errors. Again, you seem to think it's OK to throw out due process if the person being charged is a bad man and it will take too long. That's ludicrous. Even without the procedural error, not complying with subpoenas was no crime whatsoever as no court had validated the subpoenas anyway. (Now I get that you think he SHOULD have complied and maybe you're right. But THAT's not what's at issue. The issue is whether he broke the law.)

You completely missed the point regarding Sondland's testimony. The point was, he was the only one with first hand knowledge and that was his testimony. It wasn't true, I said so in my previous post. There was a quid pro quo. Quid pro quos are common. Millions of them happen every day. If quid pro quos were impeachable every president would be impeached. Trump shouldn't have said there was no quid pro quo, but that's not what they impeached him for and it's not impeachable anyway.

The book is expected to state that there was a quid pro quo which creates a problem for Trump and the Republicans because they've been trying to defend the no quid pro quo position. What the book is unlikely to do, is establish that Trump's intent was to gain a personal advantage against a political rival and not to investigate corruption on behalf of the country.

If it does establish that, perhaps Congress should have waited till it came out so they could have had something solid to base their charges on.

It seems you don't understand how the legal system works very well. It has checks and balances for very good reason. You can't just throw out the checks and balances because Trump's a bad man and impeaching him legally will take too long.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17518 on: January 29, 2020, 02:46:09 AM »
Ummmm.... You do know that Trump can't legally stop aide due to 'concerns of corruption' yes?  That's illegal.  Only congress can stop that money.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #17519 on: January 29, 2020, 05:44:33 AM »
Ummmm.... You do know that Trump can't legally stop aide due to 'concerns of corruption' yes?  That's illegal.  Only congress can stop that money.
This post is so wrong it's laughable!

The President can withhold foreign aid for any reason he wants to withhold it.

Please stop posting nonsense.

Or post the law that backs your silly claim.
The NIST report(s) never went through what we would call peer review (Much like an FAA crash report doesn't either). But reports based upon NIST findings have.