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Why do you support Donald Trump?

I don't want mexicans to come
20 (26.7%)
I want him to fight terrorism
11 (14.7%)
Free trade is bad
5 (6.7%)
He is the wild card we need
39 (52%)

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Why do you support donald trump

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16860 on: November 21, 2019, 01:56:17 AM »
Speaking of which, is there anyone else who doubts Trump would have used the phrase quid pro quo without kind of being coached to use it?
I think they are all being coached to use it.  Even when denying it, the PR people will tell them never to use words like "bribery", "blackmail" or even "deal" - which is actually what we are talking about here.  Instead use some Latin to obscure.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16861 on: November 21, 2019, 02:01:11 AM »
such a charade
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16862 on: November 21, 2019, 02:04:23 AM »
Speaking of which, is there anyone else who doubts Trump would have used the phrase quid pro quo without kind of being coached to use it?
I think they are all being coached to use it.  Even when denying it, the PR people will tell them never to use words like "bribery", "blackmail" or even "deal" - which is actually what we are talking about here.  Instead use some Latin to obscure.

Nah.  Thats the normal legal term used.  Hell, HR videos use it all the time when talking about what not to do.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16863 on: November 21, 2019, 02:14:39 AM »
Speaking of which, is there anyone else who doubts Trump would have used the phrase quid pro quo without kind of being coached to use it?
I think they are all being coached to use it.  Even when denying it, the PR people will tell them never to use words like "bribery", "blackmail" or even "deal" - which is actually what we are talking about here.  Instead use some Latin to obscure.

Nah.  Thats the normal legal term used.  Hell, HR videos use it all the time when talking about what not to do.
Must be more common in America.  However my point still stands about never even denying stuff like "bribery".
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16864 on: November 21, 2019, 08:58:36 AM »
Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It In Writing https://n.pr/32Zyur1


Summary:
Trump: This is a hoax!  No due process!
Dems: Ok, we invite you to testify and tell your side.
Trump: I might do it, but only in writing. ((So my lawyers can write my answers))

Trump earlier in the month:  "The Whistleblower gave false information & dealt with corrupt politician Schiff. He must be brought forward to testify. Written answers not acceptable! Where is the 2nd Whistleblower? He disappeared after I released the transcript. Does he even exist? Where is the informant? Con!"


So basic Trump: Too cowardly to testify in public but happy to complain about others doing the same.
You only need to testify if you are subpoenaed to testify, and then you never need to testify if you are the defendant.

None of this matters, because there is no case.

Just dog and pony show to cover for a possible government shutdown.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16865 on: November 21, 2019, 09:25:13 AM »
Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It In Writing https://n.pr/32Zyur1


Summary:
Trump: This is a hoax!  No due process!
Dems: Ok, we invite you to testify and tell your side.
Trump: I might do it, but only in writing. ((So my lawyers can write my answers))

Trump earlier in the month:  "The Whistleblower gave false information & dealt with corrupt politician Schiff. He must be brought forward to testify. Written answers not acceptable! Where is the 2nd Whistleblower? He disappeared after I released the transcript. Does he even exist? Where is the informant? Con!"


So basic Trump: Too cowardly to testify in public but happy to complain about others doing the same.
You only need to testify if you are subpoenaed to testify, and then you never need to testify if you are the defendant.

None of this matters, because there is no case.

Just dog and pony show to cover for a possible government shutdown.

They have been subpoenaed.  Trump blocked any witness that would possibly defend him.  That should tell you something.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16866 on: November 21, 2019, 09:34:23 AM »
Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It In Writing https://n.pr/32Zyur1


Summary:
Trump: This is a hoax!  No due process!
Dems: Ok, we invite you to testify and tell your side.
Trump: I might do it, but only in writing. ((So my lawyers can write my answers))

Trump earlier in the month:  "The Whistleblower gave false information & dealt with corrupt politician Schiff. He must be brought forward to testify. Written answers not acceptable! Where is the 2nd Whistleblower? He disappeared after I released the transcript. Does he even exist? Where is the informant? Con!"


So basic Trump: Too cowardly to testify in public but happy to complain about others doing the same.
You only need to testify if you are subpoenaed to testify, and then you never need to testify if you are the defendant.

None of this matters, because there is no case.

Just dog and pony show to cover for a possible government shutdown.

Oh really?
So Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton never needed to testify?  Wow.  Good to know they volunteered, am I right?  Such upstanding people.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16867 on: November 21, 2019, 10:48:22 AM »
So, Pence 2020 now?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16868 on: November 21, 2019, 11:29:27 AM »
Nope.  This changes nothing.  The senate will decide he is guilty of these accusations but it's not worth removing him.  Then so much crazy nonsense will happen over the next year that no one will remember this.

If the economy is still good, Trump gets reelected.
If the economy is bad then things get interesting.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16869 on: November 21, 2019, 11:53:36 AM »
Celine-Crouton 2020!!!!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16870 on: November 21, 2019, 11:58:06 AM »
Nope.  This changes nothing.  The senate will decide he is guilty of these accusations but it's not worth removing him.  Then so much crazy nonsense will happen over the next year that no one will remember this.

If the economy is still good, Trump gets reelected.
If the economy is bad then things get interesting.

Probably, yeah.
However, this will set a fuck ton of precedent.  Like now the next Obama or Hillary can call fox news "fake news" all day, insult anyone they want on twitter, refuse to testify before congress, and ask foreign governments for 'favors' involving political rivals.

And when faced with it can say "Well, Trump did it, you said it was ok, so I'm doing it too."
And legally they'd be right.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16871 on: November 21, 2019, 03:35:53 PM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16872 on: November 21, 2019, 04:02:20 PM »
Celine-Crouton 2020!!!!

Crouton-Celine 2020!!!!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16873 on: November 21, 2019, 06:15:46 PM »
Fiona Hill pretty much nailed it.   skip to 5:05



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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16874 on: November 22, 2019, 05:47:10 AM »
Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It In Writing https://n.pr/32Zyur1


Summary:
Trump: This is a hoax!  No due process!
Dems: Ok, we invite you to testify and tell your side.
Trump: I might do it, but only in writing. ((So my lawyers can write my answers))

Trump earlier in the month:  "The Whistleblower gave false information & dealt with corrupt politician Schiff. He must be brought forward to testify. Written answers not acceptable! Where is the 2nd Whistleblower? He disappeared after I released the transcript. Does he even exist? Where is the informant? Con!"


So basic Trump: Too cowardly to testify in public but happy to complain about others doing the same.
You only need to testify if you are subpoenaed to testify, and then you never need to testify if you are the defendant.

None of this matters, because there is no case.

Just dog and pony show to cover for a possible government shutdown.

They have been subpoenaed.  Trump blocked any witness that would possibly defend him.  That should tell you something.
Who has been subpoenaed?

There is no trial happening.
The NIST report(s) never went through what we would call peer review (Much like an FAA crash report doesn't either). But reports based upon NIST findings have.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16875 on: November 22, 2019, 05:48:19 AM »
Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It In Writing https://n.pr/32Zyur1


Summary:
Trump: This is a hoax!  No due process!
Dems: Ok, we invite you to testify and tell your side.
Trump: I might do it, but only in writing. ((So my lawyers can write my answers))

Trump earlier in the month:  "The Whistleblower gave false information & dealt with corrupt politician Schiff. He must be brought forward to testify. Written answers not acceptable! Where is the 2nd Whistleblower? He disappeared after I released the transcript. Does he even exist? Where is the informant? Con!"


So basic Trump: Too cowardly to testify in public but happy to complain about others doing the same.
You only need to testify if you are subpoenaed to testify, and then you never need to testify if you are the defendant.

None of this matters, because there is no case.

Just dog and pony show to cover for a possible government shutdown.

Oh really?
So Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton never needed to testify?  Wow.  Good to know they volunteered, am I right?  Such upstanding people.
They did not need to testify.

For the first freaking time in the history of your posts, you are correct.
The NIST report(s) never went through what we would call peer review (Much like an FAA crash report doesn't either). But reports based upon NIST findings have.

Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16876 on: November 22, 2019, 05:55:22 AM »
Fiona Hill pretty much nailed it.   skip to 5:05

Pretty much nailed your opinion.

This whole "skip to 5:05," thing was roundly debunked...

Fiona Hill is British-born shitbag who hates the fucking US.

Most Britains do...
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16877 on: November 22, 2019, 11:12:06 AM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16878 on: November 22, 2019, 11:28:12 AM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.

You mean the Democrats defending Hillary? ;););)(Obvious joke is obvious)
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16879 on: November 22, 2019, 11:36:16 AM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.

You mean the Democrats defending Hillary? ;););)(Obvious joke is obvious)

I know.  Seriously though I haven't really followed politics that closely before Trump.  My memory about Hillary prior to 2016 is something something something benghazi.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16880 on: November 22, 2019, 11:39:18 AM »
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197862304462901248?s=20

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Glad to be back on Twitter after more than two months.  For the backstory, stay tuned........

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We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor.  More to come.....

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197946364669370368?s=20

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Re: speaking up -- since resigning as National Security Advisor, the @WhiteHouse refused to return access to my personal Twitter account.  Out of fear of what I may say? To those who speculated I went into hiding, Im sorry to disappoint!

Come on mustache boy, give us the dirt.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16881 on: November 22, 2019, 12:29:22 PM »
https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197862304462901248?s=20

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John Bolton
@AmbJohnBolton

6h
Glad to be back on Twitter after more than two months.  For the backstory, stay tuned........

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197900337690107904?s=20

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We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor.  More to come.....

https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1197946364669370368?s=20

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Re: speaking up -- since resigning as National Security Advisor, the @WhiteHouse refused to return access to my personal Twitter account.  Out of fear of what I may say? To those who speculated I went into hiding, Im sorry to disappoint!

Come on mustache boy, give us the dirt.

Hillary did it.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16882 on: November 22, 2019, 12:30:13 PM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.

You mean the Democrats defending Hillary? ;););)(Obvious joke is obvious)

I know.  Seriously though I haven't really followed politics that closely before Trump.  My memory about Hillary prior to 2016 is something something something benghazi.

Let me put it this way, if she is guilty of half of the supposed scandals and whatnot, she'd be the dirtiest politician to have ever lived.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16883 on: November 22, 2019, 01:38:38 PM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.

You mean the Democrats defending Hillary? ;););)(Obvious joke is obvious)

I know.  Seriously though I haven't really followed politics that closely before Trump.  My memory about Hillary prior to 2016 is something something something benghazi.

Let me put it this way, if she is guilty of half of the supposed scandals and whatnot, she'd be the dirtiest politician to have ever lived.

Yeah.
Too bad most of it is fake.  Or rather simplified and twisted to make her a villian.

Like Uranium One.  Conspiracy says she sold a large percent of America's Uranium.  But the truth is exactly 0 grams was sold by America and just as much exported out of country.

Also she didn't sell anything.  She just approved the sale.

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16884 on: November 22, 2019, 03:49:48 PM »
Let's say nothing happens from this.... What does it matter? Why would it damage the dems?

Investigations are important. No one is above the law. If Trump is innocent, so be it. However the only one as creaming and carrying on is Trump and the repugnicans. As if no one is allowed to investigate potential wrong doings of their party.

That in itself is disgusting. This entire process should have been non political and professional. Screw the repugnicans. Clearly they care more about serving the interests of Russia playing right into their hands then they do for Americas national security and dignity.

The damage?  If the republicans hold the line and don't let a single vote slide then it might give democrat voters the impression that the impeachment is a partisan witch hunt.  On the other hand it might give republican voters the impression that their leadership is putting their party over country.  It's hard to say what goes on in people's minds.

In the long run though,  people are much less partisan about a president out of office.  Nobody defends Nixon today.  No one is running around calling Obama a crypto muslim atheist today.  In my opinion even though impeachment is destined to fail, the democrats still have to do it.
 Trump's crimes will become something much more difficult to defend when he's out of office.  One party is going to be remembered for challenging that and one party will be remembered for defending an obvious criminal.

You mean the Democrats defending Hillary? ;););)(Obvious joke is obvious)

I know.  Seriously though I haven't really followed politics that closely before Trump.  My memory about Hillary prior to 2016 is something something something benghazi.

Let me put it this way, if she is guilty of half of the supposed scandals and whatnot, she'd be the dirtiest politician to have ever lived.

Yeah.
Too bad most of it is fake.  Or rather simplified and twisted to make her a villian.

Like Uranium One.  Conspiracy says she sold a large percent of America's Uranium.  But the truth is exactly 0 grams was sold by America and just as much exported out of country.

Also she didn't sell anything.  She just approved the sale.

Wasn't she supposed to be the ring leader of some child paedo ring or something?

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16885 on: November 22, 2019, 04:11:18 PM »
Who has been subpoenaed?

There is no trial happening.

 ;D

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16886 on: November 22, 2019, 04:17:18 PM »
Wasn't she supposed to be the ring leader of some child paedo ring or something?

Something about sacrificing and eating babies,  or was it devil worship?    It was on infowars 24/7,  along with the gay frogs and goblin vomit.
 
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16887 on: November 22, 2019, 04:26:44 PM »
Wasn't she supposed to be the ring leader of some child paedo ring or something?

Something about sacrificing and eating babies,  or was it devil worship?    It was on infowars 24/7,  along with the gay frogs and goblin vomit.
 

Whoa! Well we sure dodged a bullet not electing her! Oh wait...

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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16888 on: November 22, 2019, 06:46:58 PM »
Oh don't worry, Lindsey Graham is going to bring back investigating the Obama administration and will probably bring up the emails again for good measure.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #16889 on: November 22, 2019, 07:05:43 PM »
Dr Fiona Hill is extremely compelling. I love how precise she is with her language.
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