Prove to me that the earth is flat.

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djhives

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2016, 05:30:17 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth.



Nope.  Wrong and illogical answer, here's why:


I dont' remember a Lunar eclipse being called "A SUNSET PROJECTED ON THE MOON".  Everyone knows that the implication of a TOTAL lunar eclipse is a SHADOW on the moon (presumably from the round earth).

A shadow is a shadow.
A SUNSET is a sunset.

Stay with me:

A lunar ECLIPSE - if it is the earth's SHADOW needs to show me a shadow.  I does not.  It shows me a red-tint DURING "TOTALITY".  Every--single--time.  The RED TINT happens at TOTALITY, ie supposedly completley covered by a SHADOW.  Yet, I see a BLOOD RED MOON.

We cannot change lunar eclipses into 'sunsets being projected on the moon'.  Period.

Shadow is shadow
Sunset is sunset.

Can you have a shadow AND a sunset at the same time?  Paradox!


PLEASE go out and try to replicate this simeultanous 'sunset/shadow' thingy for me?  You will have difficulty.  The shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse.

Shadows are not red.
Shadows are not sunsets.
I have NEVER seen a 'red shadow'.
When I see something that is one colour being tinted red I do not think "Oh gosh, it must be a shadow".

Remember, go by what you OBSERVE, not by your programming that states shadows are 'red' and mixed in with some 'shadow sunset' for good measure:



The moon gets dark because of the shadow.  It turns red because of sunlight coming through the atmosphere.  A lunar eclipse is far darker than your picture would suggest.

I live in the desert.  My view of these things is a clear as it gets. 

SHADOW = "sunlight coming through the atmosphere"?

Go out in the sun, make a shadow, and tell me when you see "sunlight coming through the atmosphere" affecting your SHADOW.  Does it turn RED too?  Let's again talk like we're in 1st grade.  Do shadows make RED?

"Earth's atmosphere, sunset, .." a SHADOW is a SHADOW.  *IF* it's a shadow, it should LOOK like the 1 billion other shadows you've seen in your life... not RED TINT... aka 'blood moon'.  EVERY total lunar eclipse is BLOOD RED.  It is REMARKABLY red.  Unmistakably red.  I ain't ever seen a 'red shadow'..anywhere in this reality.

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Blue_Moon

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2016, 07:05:35 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth.



Nope.  Wrong and illogical answer, here's why:


I dont' remember a Lunar eclipse being called "A SUNSET PROJECTED ON THE MOON".  Everyone knows that the implication of a TOTAL lunar eclipse is a SHADOW on the moon (presumably from the round earth).

A shadow is a shadow.
A SUNSET is a sunset.

Stay with me:

A lunar ECLIPSE - if it is the earth's SHADOW needs to show me a shadow.  I does not.  It shows me a red-tint DURING "TOTALITY".  Every--single--time.  The RED TINT happens at TOTALITY, ie supposedly completley covered by a SHADOW.  Yet, I see a BLOOD RED MOON.

We cannot change lunar eclipses into 'sunsets being projected on the moon'.  Period.

Shadow is shadow
Sunset is sunset.

Can you have a shadow AND a sunset at the same time?  Paradox!


PLEASE go out and try to replicate this simeultanous 'sunset/shadow' thingy for me?  You will have difficulty.  The shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse.

Shadows are not red.
Shadows are not sunsets.
I have NEVER seen a 'red shadow'.
When I see something that is one colour being tinted red I do not think "Oh gosh, it must be a shadow".

Remember, go by what you OBSERVE, not by your programming that states shadows are 'red' and mixed in with some 'shadow sunset' for good measure:



The moon gets dark because of the shadow.  It turns red because of sunlight coming through the atmosphere.  A lunar eclipse is far darker than your picture would suggest.

I live in the desert.  My view of these things is a clear as it gets. 

SHADOW = "sunlight coming through the atmosphere"?

Go out in the sun, make a shadow, and tell me when you see "sunlight coming through the atmosphere" affecting your SHADOW.  Does it turn RED too?  Let's again talk like we're in 1st grade.  Do shadows make RED?

"Earth's atmosphere, sunset, .." a SHADOW is a SHADOW.  *IF* it's a shadow, it should LOOK like the 1 billion other shadows you've seen in your life... not RED TINT... aka 'blood moon'.  EVERY total lunar eclipse is BLOOD RED.  It is REMARKABLY red.  Unmistakably red.  I ain't ever seen a 'red shadow'..anywhere in this reality.

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Go out during a sunset.  Is the sun red?  That's because the sun is passing through the most atmosphere.  Since the moon is so far away, during an eclipse, the sunset light is received from all around the earth.  This only works because the earth, which has an atmosphere, is the eclipsing body, which is why shadows aren't always red. 
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rabinoz

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Re: Prove to me that the earth is flat.
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2016, 07:34:24 PM »
djhives, the moon turns reddish during a lunar eclipse for the same reason sunsets are reddish.  The moon is receiving a "sunset" from the entire circumference of the earth.  As for the extreme red seen in the first image you linked, that is because the moon is rising at the same time the eclipse is occurring.  Have you ever seen how the moon is red and distorted when it is rising?  Same phenomenon here, but compounded with the red of the eclipse.  The rest of the world observed a regular blood moon.  If the earth didn't have an atmosphere, the moon would just be darkened instead of reddened. 

You will never see the new moon at night, because they only happen when the moon is between the sun and the earth.  Same with solar eclipses.  There's no other object but the moon that could cause a solar eclipse.  The moon has the correct angular diameter (give or take a few arc-minutes, which is explained by the moon's current distance from earth, and is observed as an annular eclipse). 

Prediction of eclipses is done using ephemerides to determine the positions of the sun and moon in the sky.  This is the only way that will work for total solar eclipses, because they are only visible from narrow strips of earth.



Nope.  Wrong and illogical answer, here's why:


I dont' remember a Lunar eclipse being called "A SUNSET PROJECTED ON THE MOON".  Everyone knows that the implication of a TOTAL lunar eclipse is a SHADOW on the moon (presumably from the round earth).

A shadow is a shadow.
A SUNSET is a sunset.

Stay with me:

A lunar ECLIPSE - if it is the earth's SHADOW needs to show me a shadow.  I does not.  It shows me a red-tint DURING "TOTALITY".  Every--single--time.  The RED TINT happens at TOTALITY, ie supposedly completley covered by a SHADOW.  Yet, I see a BLOOD RED MOON.

We cannot change lunar eclipses into 'sunsets being projected on the moon'.  Period.

Shadow is shadow
Sunset is sunset.

Can you have a shadow AND a sunset at the same time?  Paradox!


PLEASE go out and try to replicate this simeultanous 'sunset/shadow' thingy for me?  You will have difficulty.  The shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse.

Shadows are not red.
Shadows are not sunsets.
I have NEVER seen a 'red shadow'.
When I see something that is one colour being tinted red I do not think "Oh gosh, it must be a shadow".

Remember, go by what you OBSERVE, not by your programming that states shadows are 'red' and mixed in with some 'shadow sunset' for good measure:



The moon gets dark because of the shadow.  It turns red because of sunlight coming through the atmosphere.  A lunar eclipse is far darker than your picture would suggest.

I live in the desert.  My view of these things is a clear as it gets. 

SHADOW = "sunlight coming through the atmosphere"?

Go out in the sun, make a shadow, and tell me when you see "sunlight coming through the atmosphere" affecting your SHADOW.  Does it turn RED too?  Let's again talk like we're in 1st grade.  Do shadows make RED?

"Earth's atmosphere, sunset, .." a SHADOW is a SHADOW.  *IF* it's a shadow, it should LOOK like the 1 billion other shadows you've seen in your life... not RED TINT... aka 'blood moon'.  EVERY total lunar eclipse is BLOOD RED.  It is REMARKABLY red.  Unmistakably red.  I ain't ever seen a 'red shadow'..anywhere in this reality.

You are partly right, yes a shadow is a shadow and
a total eclipse of the moon is due to the shadow of the earth falling across the moon.

If the earth had no atmosphere that would be it, the moon would be totally dark during a total lunar eclipse, but the earth has an atmosphere, so.

Sunlight entering the earth's atmosphere at sunset is refracted (roughly 0.5° towards the surface of the earth) and has a lot of the shorter (bluish) light filtered out giving us out pretty red sunsets.

This light continues on and on leaving the earth's atmosphere is again refracted roughly 0.5° in the same direction and filtered some more.

During the lunar eclipse, this reddish light faintly illuminates the moon, making it the familiar red colour.

It's explained here Why a totally eclipsed moon looks red. This contains the passage
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Depending on the conditions of our atmosphere at the time of the eclipse (dust, humidity, temperature and so on can all make a difference), the surviving light will illuminate the moon with a color that ranges from copper-colored to deep red.

In December 1992, not long after the eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines, there was so much dust in Earth’s atmosphere that the totally eclipsed moon could barely be seen.

So, the bottom line is that sure:
"shadows are shadows" and the red light on the moon is something else - light filtered and refracted by the atmosphere.
Mind you, I believe you that this seems exactly what was explained above.

Now where is this "shadow object KETU is OCCULTING the moon during a flat-earth lunar eclipse."? How big is it and where is it?
The explanation in the "Wiki" simply does not make sense at all!