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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #60 on: July 04, 2016, 03:55:09 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 03, 2016, 10:56:20 AM
Your scientists can not agree about your own "Gravity" theory.  By your logic, that makes it BS, right?
I don't see any great disagreement that Newton's Gravitation is a very good approximation until you need to do some calculations in the vicinity of extremely massive objects!
Even then there seems no argument that General Relativity can be brought in, leading to a much greater difficulty in computation.

So where are all these "scientists can not agree about your own "Gravity" theory"?

OK, there may be different hypotheses on the underlying physical cause of gravitation, but no argument on its effect.

But contrast this with Flat Earth "Theory"! Is "gravity" explained by:
  • Universal Acceleration,
  • Infinite Plane Earth +  ::) Newtonian Gravitation,  ::)
  • Denpressure, (??)
  • Dextrorotatory Ether waves, or something??, according to Sandokhan!
  • Things just have an innate tendency to go down? 
Please identify the theory "terrestrial gravity" you use today or is it #1 on Monday, #2 on Tuesday, etc, and throw a die on the weekend?

So please list all these scientists who argue so much about what gravity does!
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #61 on: July 04, 2016, 08:23:12 AM »
Quote from: Ibrius on July 04, 2016, 12:48:59 AM


According to wiki:
Earth has a diameter of 12742

In Romania if you are on Bucegi Plateau you can see the Black Sea).
Bucegi is at 2.4 km from sea level.
Black sea is of about 400 km from Bucegi Plateau.
Made you a sketch in AutoCAD.

If Earth was round, you can see only what's in 88 km... after that, everything should had disappeared... but.. actually you can still see the SEA !!

This is fun :))

So much misinformation. The Black Sea is about 280-290km from the Bucegi plateau, not 400km. The distance to the horizon from that altitude is about 174km, and not 88km. That would still not mean you can't see objects that are further away than 174 km, unless their height was 0. Anyway, at that distance I think that even if earth was flat, it would still be impossible to see the sea, due to the haze and clouds. I even googled for pictures, and couldn't find anything. If you ever personally saw something from up there, it probably was something else that you confused for the sea (haze makes everything appear blue).
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2016, 02:07:20 PM »
either way, the flat earth theory is no more

what they used to use as evidence has been disproven

I'm still waiting for ANY evidence of a flat earth that hasn't already been disproven using testable experiments

or a reason why there's still flat earthers when they've not got a single shred of backup

anyone?
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #63 on: July 10, 2016, 03:18:36 AM »
all I'm asking is;
what are flat earthers using as evidence?

I find it strange that there's this flat earth forum, with believers of a flat earth..

but NONE are up for a standard debate? its a forum, that's why we're all here right?

come on, surely someone's up for a discussion?
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #64 on: July 10, 2016, 03:24:45 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 03:18:36 AM
all I'm asking is;
what are flat earthers using as evidence?

I find it strange that there's this flat earth forum, with believers of a flat earth..

but NONE are up for a standard debate? its a forum, that's why we're all here right?

come on, surely someone's up for a discussion?
You don't want discussion. All you want to do is to deny everything no matter what. You might as well move on and leave it to people who are actually interested in flat/alternate Earth theory.

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #65 on: July 10, 2016, 03:31:40 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2016, 03:24:45 AM
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 03:18:36 AM
all I'm asking is;
what are flat earthers using as evidence?

I find it strange that there's this flat earth forum, with believers of a flat earth..

but NONE are up for a standard debate? its a forum, that's why we're all here right?

come on, surely someone's up for a discussion?
You don't want discussion. All you want to do is to deny everything no matter what. You might as well move on and leave it to people who are actually interested in flat/alternate Earth theory.

I do want a discussion, that's why I'm here.. you avoid direct questions and don't really discuss anything.. not sure why you comment on my threads, you should stick with the beginners

or.. feel free to answer any of my questions?

no?

didn't think so
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #66 on: July 10, 2016, 07:31:51 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 03:18:36 AM
all I'm asking is;
what are flat earthers using as evidence?

I find it strange that there's this flat earth forum, with believers of a flat earth..

but NONE are up for a standard debate? its a forum, that's why we're all here right?

come on, surely someone's up for a discussion?

The round earthers don't want a discussion with you either.
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I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #67 on: July 10, 2016, 10:21:17 AM »
so not one single flat earther can provide one single thing that makes them think the earth is flat?

spacecowgirl I don't want your empty comments, I'm here to speak with grown ups
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #68 on: July 10, 2016, 10:35:06 AM »
Why don't you put together a list of all the people who are still allowed to comment on your thread.  ::)
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2016, 11:58:16 AM »
I've not said anyone isn't allowed to comment, but I'm just getting tired of arguing with a kid

this is a forum, do you not know what forums are for? or how they work?

I've asked a question and got next to no substance back, only you.. and even you didn't accept my answer, even though I gave it 3 times

I'm waiting for someone who actually wants to discuss facts instead of trying to ridicule

double standards are rife
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2016, 01:26:11 PM »
I'm probably old enough to be your mother, you little whippersnapper.
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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2016, 01:31:50 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on July 10, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
I'm probably old enough to be your mother, you little whippersnapper.

I call bullsh**, I'd be very surprised if you're over 13
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2016, 01:35:32 PM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 01:31:50 PM
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on July 10, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
I'm probably old enough to be your mother, you little whippersnapper.

I call bullsh**, I'd be very surprised if you're over 13

Do you mean bullshit? Are you sure you're over 13? Oh, maybe you should cry to the mods again.

Why do you want FE to debate you? You've declared the theory "no more", why are you even still here?
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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2016, 01:46:00 PM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 11:58:16 AM
I've not said anyone isn't allowed to comment, but I'm just getting tired of arguing with a kid

You just told SCP not to comment on your threads and Scepti to stick to the beginner threads. You told me not to comment on your thread earlier.

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this is a forum, do you not know what forums are for? or how they work?

Um... do you?


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I've asked a question and got next to no substance back, only you.. and even you didn't accept my answer, even though I gave it 3 times

Your answer to me had no substance. You misunderstand what a non-Euclidean flat surface is. I stopped trying because it was like talking to a brick wall. You can't declare that a victory. That's like a FEer declaring victory because they don't understand gravity and even though you might have tried explaining it several times, they just don't get it. You know, like Scepti.
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2016, 03:27:59 PM »
I understood it clearly enough, it fails at the testing I described in my answer

as for the comparison with FE's and gravity, there's a huge difference.. the globe guys reply and discuss.. I can't get a straight answer from anyone!

you've got the giggly teenager never discussing anything on topic, annoyed because I pulled her on trying to purposely derail my thread.. so what, don't do it then, simple, try backing up what you say.. you know, like I have done

then there's scepti, another simply avoiding answering anything directly, not sure why he's attempting to answer my thread when he doesn't have an answer, I'm allowed to ask for a better response right?

its ridiculous, and I expected MORE from here than from the likes of Facebook and YouTube? well I can tell you that has NOT happened, they at least answer questions

"so go away then" seems to be the answer from the FE's.. nice argument guys, nice way to prove your theory

I'm only asking for a discussion about WHY you believe the earth is flat? that IS the purpose of this thread.. In fact, it's the purpose of the whole forum


DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT ACTUALLY RELATE TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION?? thanks
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2016, 04:10:24 PM »
It does not fail your test. A sphere is a non-Euclidean surface. A lunar eclipse shadow would look the same in both models.
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2016, 04:12:29 PM »
There are literally thousands of posts on this forum discussing why we believe the earth is flat. If you want a debate about a specific topic, then be specific. If it's something that has been talked about a million times already, then most of us will ignore it. It doesn't matter how many times you REers cry about not getting answers.




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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.
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Son of Orospu

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2016, 07:29:07 PM »
What was the question again?
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2016, 10:34:53 PM »
Quote from: Space Cowgirl on July 10, 2016, 04:12:29 PM
There are literally thousands of posts on this forum discussing why we believe the earth is flat. If you want a debate about a specific topic, then be specific. If it's something that has been talked about a million times already, then most of us will ignore it. It doesn't matter how many times you REers cry about not getting answers.

read the OP


boydster - there's 1 flat earther that has now stated the flat earth is no longer flat, it's a sphere?
simply because the lunar eclipse blows the whole theory out of the water?

and you think that's proved me wrong?

I thought you had at least SOME intelligence

so now it's a spherical flat earth? haha

that's called clutching at straws, making things up on the spot and hoping they're just blindly accepted

again, it's got as much going for it as my diamond planet, I made that up on the spot.. are you going to go around now making everyone who proves the flat earth theory wrong, try to prove my diamond wrong?

no?

you're kidding no one


my questions are VERY clear
my evidence is clear and concise too

no one is even attempting to disprove anything I've said

if they've been answered a million times then why is it so hard for you to find the answers?

ridiculous replies, another stupid attempt to derail and belittle

running theme

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2016, 10:46:42 AM »
has no one got a shred of discussion about them?

its very common in here, someone posts evidence, the FE's just call names and give no argument for their beliefs

I've provided evidence

still waiting for anyone to even TRY to prove me wrong

nothing
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2016, 04:08:20 PM »
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2016, 04:19:48 PM »
Quote from: jroa on July 11, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: jroa on July 10, 2016, 07:29:07 PM
What was the question again?

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Quote from: Thork on November 27, 2012, 12:25:43 PM
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2016, 04:37:22 PM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 10, 2016, 10:34:53 PM
boydster - there's 1 flat earther that has now stated the flat earth is no longer flat, it's a sphere?
simply because the lunar eclipse blows the whole theory out of the water?

I don't think the lunar eclipse is why he came up with that idea. But you'd have to ask him. He certainly didn't say it was a sphere. Did you even read the thing you said you disproved? Either way, you clearly haven't disproved it, even though you said many times you had. And now you're deflecting again, with an argument from incredulity no less. Good luck, pal. Everyone else's debating skills suck, and you can just assert things that can't be questioned. My 3 year old likes games like that - you know, ones where the rules are: whatever she says, goes, and at the end, she wins.
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2016, 11:47:35 PM »
Quote from: jroa on July 11, 2016, 04:08:20 PM
Quote from: jroa on July 10, 2016, 07:29:07 PM
What was the question again?

I replied last time, read the OP, feel free to answer

@boydster
you're as bad as they are, simply making things up and ignoring replies

the example you gave me states a 'curved plane' right?
so upon testing, the lunar eclipse disproves it

if he's claiming its a sphere with a dome, then meteors disprove it

simple, you're trying to convince yourself the earth is flat, so you've adopted cognitive dissonance



once again, no one has even attempted to answer any questions

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not
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johnnyorbital

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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2016, 09:20:55 AM »
still laugh at the lack of answers anyone has for my points

I'm here for a discussion and to prove what I know with ACTUAL evidence

I've presented my evidence, no one has even attempted to answer ANYTHING

so it's clear, there's no 'proofs' left for the flat earth theory, so my original question still stands

why, with absolutely no supporting evidence, do people try convincing others that the earth is flat?
the evidence of a globe is abundant
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2016, 10:30:05 AM »
Maybe if you were better at presenting a concise question, you might get more answers.  You ever think that the problem might be on your end, not ours? 
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2016, 10:36:31 AM »
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2016, 10:46:53 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 12, 2016, 10:30:05 AM
Maybe if you were better at presenting a concise question, you might get more answers.  You ever think that the problem might be on your end, not ours?

are you for real?

I couldn't possibly make the questions any more concise

Quote from: Johnorbital on July 02, 2016, 10:17:37 AM
- no curvature
- angular sun rays
- flight paths
- dome
- fake photos of earth
- fake photos of moon
- no satellites or ISS
- landmarks from too far away

all these 'evidences' and more, used by the FE community, have been irrefutably disproven

my question is, as those points above can no long be used, what's left for the FE to use as evidence?

[purposeful derailment will be reported]

that's the OP, I've referred you personally back to it twice already

you're NOT reading the OP, and if you are, then you're ignoring the CLEAR direct question

I'll ask it again:
as all of the flat earth 'proofs' have been disproven, what is making FE's still believe?

its a VERY simple question, if you can't understand it, ask a 7yr old to help you
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2016, 10:57:59 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on July 12, 2016, 10:46:53 AM
Quote from: jroa on July 12, 2016, 10:30:05 AM
Maybe if you were better at presenting a concise question, you might get more answers.  You ever think that the problem might be on your end, not ours?

are you for real?

I couldn't possibly make the questions any more concise

Quote from: Johnorbital on July 02, 2016, 10:17:37 AM
- no curvature
- angular sun rays
- flight paths
- dome
- fake photos of earth
- fake photos of moon
- no satellites or ISS
- landmarks from too far away

all these 'evidences' and more, used by the FE community, have been irrefutably disproven

my question is, as those points above can no long be used, what's left for the FE to use as evidence?

[purposeful derailment will be reported]

that's the OP, I've referred you personally back to it twice already

you're NOT reading the OP, and if you are, then you're ignoring the CLEAR direct question

I'll ask it again:
as all of the flat earth 'proofs' have been disproven, what is making FE's still believe?

its a VERY simple question, if you can't understand it, ask a 7yr old to help you

Well, since you simply listed anything that popped into your head and declared them to have been proven wrong with no explanation and nothing to debate because we would be debating your mental stability if we tried, I asked for clarification on several occasions now, but all you keep saying is that I should look at the OP like there is some kind of code in there that I have been missing.  I am sure most people are just as confused about you simply making a list and then asking what is next.  It is like me saying, "Mammals don't exist, so how are you going to explain elephants existing?"  Your question makes no sense, and anyone with an IQ about 80 would leave you alone to argue with yourself.  Then, you come back saying that we have no answers and demanding answers.  Have you had a mental check up lately?  It sounds like you are past due for one.  ::)
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Re: what's left now?
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2016, 11:34:19 AM »
really..?

the question is simple, why do people still believe in the flat earth theory when the 'proofs' have been disproven?

are you saying that anything on that list is still up for discussion?
I've not gone into the details as I've already done that on previous threads, with fully testable visual explanations

Quote from: Johnorbital on July 02, 2016, 03:40:32 PM
@boydster

my points are NOT from google

1. lunar eclipse - our shadow, it's round - the FE explanation for the lunar eclipse doesn't stand up to testing (absolute evidence of a globe earth)
2. landmarks from too far away - when looking at the Chicago skyline (for instance) from too far away, when the camera is put at ground level, the skyline is no longer visible (evidence of curve)
3. meteors - the mere fact they exist, and have been documented/photographed/collected by some non-government agents immediately disproves the dome (absolute evidence of no dome)
4. angular sun rays - when using perspective from different angles at the same time, the location of the sun is in different places (absolute evidence of a non-localised sun, disproving the flat earth model's location of the sun)
5. satellites and the ISS - visible with the naked eye and in detail with a telescope/binoculars (disproving their non-existence, in turn, absolute evidence they exist)

to name a few

I have explained my points, I don't talk about things I've not researched, hence me asking you basic gravity questions

I don't pretend I know things I don't
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