Moonlight

I would like to know if FE believers believe that the moon makes its own light

I would like to know if FE believers believe that the moon makes its own light

Yes, a lot of them do.

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Nothing can create light. There is no explanation for how matter (particles) produces light (waves), or any form of external energy such as heat.

Nothing can create light.

You might want to rethink your position. I see many things producing light. A nice summary:
https://emmybella.wordpress.com/production-of-light/

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:17:41 AM

Nothing can create light.

You might want to rethink your position. I see many things producing light. A nice summary:
https://emmybella.wordpress.com/production-of-light/

That does not answer the question. How would they produce light without the caloric field?

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 10:28:28 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:17:41 AM

Nothing can create light.

You might want to rethink your position. I see many things producing light. A nice summary:
https://emmybella.wordpress.com/production-of-light/

That does not answer the question. How would they produce light without the caloric field?

Tbh I do not know what you mean by caloric field.
As for the light production:
I am no expert on this but one method:
The electrons in the atoms are put in an excited state by the supply of energy.
Then they bump back into their standard position, emitting a photon.

As for your "how can matter produce a wave?": Keep in mind that on nuclear scale matter behaves like a wave and theother way around, there is no fundamental difference in the behavior of photons and electrons. Except electrons (or rather atoms) can form bonds, forming larger particles which eliminate statistical uncertainties of the single particles by the law of large numbers.

Edit: I sound like a jerk in this response. Sorry, I mean no offense.

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:30:10 AM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 10:28:28 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:17:41 AM

Nothing can create light.

You might want to rethink your position. I see many things producing light. A nice summary:
https://emmybella.wordpress.com/production-of-light/

That does not answer the question. How would they produce light without the caloric field?

Tbh I do not know what you mean by caloric field.
As for the light production:
I am no expert on this but one method:
The electrons in the atoms are put in an excited state by the supply of energy.
Then they bump back into their standard position, emitting a photon.

As for your "how can matter produce a wave?": Keep in mind that on nuclear scale matter behaves like a wave and theother way around, there is no fundamental difference in the behavior of photons and electrons. Except electrons (or rather atoms) can form bonds, forming larger particles which eliminate statistical uncertainties of the single particles by the law of large numbers.

Think of the caloric field as the Higgs field in reference to light and heat.
Where does this photon come from? Particles produced constantly from nothing? Energy transformed into matter by virtue of, what, passing through a strip of metal?

phew, those are quite hard questions.

The photon comes out of nowhere, since it is massless, no matter is created.
But in fact, sometimes even matter comes out of nowhere (called Energy-Time uncertainty I think), that is quite an interesting topic. But nevermind.

I do not feel like I can appropriately explain the process of creating a photon with energy, to be honest. If noone else can, I might do some research, this sounds interesting.

phew, those are quite hard questions.

The photon comes out of nowhere, since it is massless, no matter is created.
But in fact, sometimes even matter comes out of nowhere (called Energy-Time uncertainty I think), that is quite an interesting topic. But nevermind.

I do not feel like I can appropriately explain the process of creating a photon with energy, to be honest. If noone else can, I might do some research, this sounds interesting.

Even if no mass is created, a photon causes an interaction. If it is a massless particle, you still have a brand new entity formed from nothing, with no actual cause.
If your physics claim matter sprouts from nothing, consider that there is a fundamental flaw with it.

This is much like the question of where mass comes from. We require a field.

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

Your "caloric" field is impossible.  Photons are emitted when electrons return to a relaxed state, and the emission spectrum is unique to that element.  Caloric creates countless problems, and solves absolutely nothing but your desire for attention.   

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

Your "caloric" field is impossible.  Photons are emitted when electrons return to a relaxed state, and the emission spectrum is unique to that element.  Caloric creates countless problems, and solves absolutely nothing but your desire for attention.

The emission spectrum is unique to the element because each element is unique, and so interacts differently with the caloric field. Energy interacts better with the field, so an increase in energy will increase the light emitted.
Photons are emitted from what? From where? What creates a particle with no cause?
And what problems are caused by the caloric field?

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

I think you meant to say "I can not believe that this is possible". Otherwise you need to provide evidence.

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

I think you meant to say "I can not believe that this is possible". Otherwise you need to provide evidence.

I need to provide evidence something cannot come from nothing?

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

I think you meant to say "I can not believe that this is possible". Otherwise you need to provide evidence.

I need to provide evidence something cannot come from nothing?

You need to provide evidence that "coming from nothing" is indeed the mechanism at play here according to mainstream scientific theory, and that your "theory" is more coherent. 

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 03:27:11 PM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 12:27:27 PM

Quote from: Kami on June 29, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

Interesting read: http://ocw.usu.edu/physics/classical-mechanics/pdf_lectures/14.pdf
For a short time, mass can be created and annihilated. Quantum theory is weird.

For the other aspect: As I said, I am not qualified enough to discuss this right now.

It's not weird, it's impossible. It relies on the background assumptions being true, but if that is a natural consequence they cannot be.

I think you meant to say "I can not believe that this is possible". Otherwise you need to provide evidence.

I need to provide evidence something cannot come from nothing?

You need to provide evidence that "coming from nothing" is indeed the mechanism at play here according to mainstream scientific theory, and that your "theory" is more coherent.

If it is not coming from nothing, then what matter or energy becomes it?
Something coming from nothing is itself incoherent. I don't need to propose a counter-theory to something so absurd.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 29, 2016, 10:10:09 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Nothing can create light. There is no explanation for how matter (particles) produces light (waves), or any form of external energy such as heat.

Bioluminescence does not create heat. It is caused by a chemical reaction in the little moon critter's body.

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:17:41 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 29, 2016, 10:10:09 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Nothing can create light. There is no explanation for how matter (particles) produces light (waves), or any form of external energy such as heat.

Bioluminescence does not create heat. It is caused by a chemical reaction in the little moon critter's body.

Nothing can create light. That is still the case.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 29, 2016, 04:24:42 PM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:17:41 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 29, 2016, 10:10:09 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Nothing can create light. There is no explanation for how matter (particles) produces light (waves), or any form of external energy such as heat.

Bioluminescence does not create heat. It is caused by a chemical reaction in the little moon critter's body.

Nothing can create light. That is still the case.

Lunas make light with their bums, imo.

I suppose you have a read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation
It is indeed possible for something to originate from nothing, although mostly not for very long.

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Humans have been on the moon and have seen that is not true

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on June 29, 2016, 10:10:09 AM

Quote from: Triddles on June 29, 2016, 10:05:40 AM

Nothing makes its own light. Light is something that can only be imbued by interaction with the caloric field.

Bioluminescent life forms are creating the light.

Humans have been on the moon and have seen that is not true

Somehow I don't think that Space Cowgirl really believes half what she writes!

I suppose you have a read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation
It is indeed possible for something to originate from nothing, although mostly not for very long.

That isn't evidence. In any other situation that would be a refutation of the underlying principles.

It would seem to me that IF the moon makes its own light, then lunar eclipses would not happen.

And, IF the Bible is to be taken literally, then the moon makes (or has) its own light, rather than reflects the sun's light, so that, if the Bible is literally true, lunar eclipses should not happen, especially not by calculations that presuppose the moon reflects the sun's light.

It would seem to me that IF the moon makes its own light, then lunar eclipses would not happen.

And, IF the Bible is to be taken literally, then the moon makes (or has) its own light, rather than reflects the sun's light, so that, if the Bible is literally true, lunar eclipses should not happen, especially not by calculations that presuppose the moon reflects the sun's light.

Lunar eclipses are caused when the moon passes through a more diffuse part of the caloric field (formed by the rotation of the Sun and Earth). The effect is external to the moon.

Quote from: cartog on July 08, 2016, 05:58:22 PM

It would seem to me that IF the moon makes its own light, then lunar eclipses would not happen.

And, IF the Bible is to be taken literally, then the moon makes (or has) its own light, rather than reflects the sun's light, so that, if the Bible is literally true, lunar eclipses should not happen, especially not by calculations that presuppose the moon reflects the sun's light.

Lunar eclipses are caused when the moon passes through a more diffuse part of the caloric field (formed by the rotation of the Sun and Earth). The effect is external to the moon.

Then how are we able to predict lunar eclipses years in advance, and why do they only occur during full moons?  Like it or not, every aspect of eclipses can be explained self-consistently with the round-earth model. 

Quote from: Triddles on July 09, 2016, 09:57:23 AM

Quote from: cartog on July 08, 2016, 05:58:22 PM

It would seem to me that IF the moon makes its own light, then lunar eclipses would not happen.

And, IF the Bible is to be taken literally, then the moon makes (or has) its own light, rather than reflects the sun's light, so that, if the Bible is literally true, lunar eclipses should not happen, especially not by calculations that presuppose the moon reflects the sun's light.

Lunar eclipses are caused when the moon passes through a more diffuse part of the caloric field (formed by the rotation of the Sun and Earth). The effect is external to the moon.

Then how are we able to predict lunar eclipses years in advance, and why do they only occur during full moons?  Like it or not, every aspect of eclipses can be explained self-consistently with the round-earth model.

They can also with the caloric field model. The diffuse part is caused by the Sun and Earth's rotation, in much the same way as the parts of the round earth model used to predict lunar eclipses are.