Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory

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Hello fellow FEers and REers alike,
I have noticed that the majority of questions Round Earth proponents raise have to do with cosmology and astronomy. For a long time, a lot of these questions went unanswered; this is the because the current FE model is inaccurate. I have researched various subjects for a very long time now, and I present to you my own model of the FE, and how the Universe truly works:



I understand that this model requires some explanation, so let's get right to it:

The Celestial Ocean
Unlike what the current model teaches, the Firmament is not the edge of the Universe. The Firmament is simply the barrier between space and the Celestial Ocean that encompasses the entirety of the Cosmos.
The Celestial Ocean itself is invisible, as the Sun does not shine upon it. However, at night, it is possible to see the stars that float in the ocean. Evidence of this Ocean can be found in numerous holy books, such as the Bible:

Genesis 1:7
So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

The Stars
The Stars are not, as the satanic liars want you to believe, giant spheres of burning gas. The Stars are not physical entities at all; they are caused by sonoluminescence. Sonoluminescence is a phenomena in which light can be created by sonic waves propagating through water. Here is this effect in action, on a small scale:



The creator of that video himself stated that "It looked like a star in the heavens", and it most certainly does. The sonic waves that create the stars are caused by tectonic movement deep in the Earth, and from Sheol, which I will explain more about in a minute. These sonic waves propagate through the Firmament and the Celestial Ocean, where they cause these sonoluminescent lights that we call stars. The movement of the stars is caused by steady currents in the Celestial Ocean.

The Firmament:
The Firmament is a translucent barrier between the Celestial Ocean and the Universe. The Firmament contains gates, which the Bible refers to as "The Windows of the Heavens". It was through these Windows that the waters of the Great Flood of Noah fell.
The Firmament is not unbreakable, however. Debris floats around in the currents of the Firmament, and occasionally hit the barrier with enough force to penetrate it. This debris falls to the Earth as a meteorite; the water spreads out over thousands of miles before it strikes the surface, and is therefore only detectable as Serein - water falling from a cloudless sky, something which science has yet to explain. This explains the existence of Libyan desert glass - mysterious shards of a glass-like material which, according to the satanist scientists, has an unknown origin.

Sheol
Sheol is a massive, cavernous space beneath the Earth.
It is not by mere coincidence that almost all religions believe in a subterranean underworld - The Norse knew it as Hel, the Greeks as Hades, the Romans as the Underworld, and to the Hebrews, God's chosen people, it was known as Sheol. This is where we go after we die, and where we will sleep until the Second Coming. In Sheol there is much geological and tectonic activity, which is what causes the sonic waves that create the stars in the Celestial Ocean. The existence of Sheol has been evidenced many times, particularly by the fact that NASA keeps trying to cover up the North Pole in imagery with blurring or censoring of some kind. They are hiding the entrance to Sheol.

Psalm 89:48
What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his soul from the power of Sheol?

I have now explained to you all how the world really works, and answered a lot of the REers questions. Hopefully this will be enough for some of you to realize that you are being lied to, and that we must not be brainwashed into the Satanic lies that NASA wants you to believe. Thank you for reading.
The Earth is as flat as RE arguments.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2016, 08:54:04 AM »
lol  Just lol

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2016, 09:07:33 AM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/

Just curious how you came to believe your model is the one and true model?

If you ask one of those satanic people of NASA they will claim that the understanding we have now is not complete.  Even for something like gravity.

Evidence?

How about evidence of these sonic waves.  You need to show these waves behave in a manner that concur with observations.  Like the apparent movement of the stars at night.


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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2016, 09:15:40 AM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/


The linked page says: Conclusion: The Bible Never Says the Earth is Flat, and Makes Many References to it Being Spherical


While it should really say: Conclusion: The Bible Never Says the Earth is Flat, but Makes Many References to it Being Flat

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 09:22:47 AM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/

Just curious how you came to believe your model is the one and true model?

If you ask one of those satanic people of NASA they will claim that the understanding we have now is not complete.  Even for something like gravity.

Evidence?

How about evidence of these sonic waves.  You need to show these waves behave in a manner that concur with observations.  Like the apparent movement of the stars at night.

That's just an outright lie.
The ancient Hebrews, like most ancient cultures at the time, subscribed to a Flat Earth model. Though I agree that many references to the Earth are metaphorical, such as the mention of the Pillars of the Earth and the Ends of the Earth, you can not deny that the Bible supports a Flat Earth view.
The Earth is as flat as RE arguments.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 09:28:35 AM »
lol  Just lol

So you're not going to present any arguments? Typical REer.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 09:53:47 AM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/

Just curious how you came to believe your model is the one and true model?

If you ask one of those satanic people of NASA they will claim that the understanding we have now is not complete.  Even for something like gravity.

Evidence?

How about evidence of these sonic waves.  You need to show these waves behave in a manner that concur with observations.  Like the apparent movement of the stars at night.

That's just an outright lie.
The ancient Hebrews, like most ancient cultures at the time, subscribed to a Flat Earth model. Though I agree that many references to the Earth are metaphorical, such as the mention of the Pillars of the Earth and the Ends of the Earth, you can not deny that the Bible supports a Flat Earth view.

Just showing you that other people think you may be wrong.

If you are right great.  You also have to admit your interpretation maybe wrong.  There are plenty of things written in the Bible that we do not believe today. 

Is it alright to own slaves?

Should a woman be allowed to speak in Church or be a manager at a business where men work for her? 

It was written from a place and time by people who wrote from their perspective and understanding of the world. 

Are you going to offer evidence you are right about the sonic waves?  They can be detected and measured. 

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 10:00:17 AM »
Would you like to write an article on this for our front-page content on the upcoming new site?
If you can't aargue both sides, you understand neither

Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 10:02:55 AM »
"The ancient Hebrews, like most ancient cultures at the time, subscribed to a Flat Earth model."
"Ancient" being the key word here and in your whole theory.
How can you ignore thousand of years of proof and 100,000's of thousands of brilliant minds over this millennium?
All in favor of something you made up and can not prove.
You use Greek definitions. What about the original scripts? How many variations are there in print now?
Your interpretation and convictions are representative of an extremist.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 10:17:22 AM »
You seem surprised people believe in the flat earth and see the Bible mirrors reality. When people interpret the Bible to say the Earth is round - like with Apologetics - would you still take issue? Or is that not "extreme" enough?
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 11:01:11 AM »
lol  Just lol

So you're not going to present any arguments? Typical REer.
You are confused about "typical REer." Anyways, there is nothing to respond to. You used the bible as evidence. Which it isn't.

Your "theory" of sonoluminescence as stars is just stupid. It explains nothing that astronomers see. 

All in all though, it's not worth asking you questions as you will just ad hoc answers.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2016, 11:28:38 AM »
You seem surprised people believe in the flat earth and see the Bible mirrors reality. When people interpret the Bible to say the Earth is round - like with Apologetics - would you still take issue? Or is that not "extreme" enough?

I would not take issue with people believing the Earth is flat, however I do take issue with people trying to force their Round Earth agenda onto us.
The Earth is as flat as RE arguments.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2016, 11:29:13 AM »
Would you like to write an article on this for our front-page content on the upcoming new site?

I'd love to. Anything to spread the word!
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 11:31:04 AM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/

Just curious how you came to believe your model is the one and true model?

If you ask one of those satanic people of NASA they will claim that the understanding we have now is not complete.  Even for something like gravity.

Evidence?

How about evidence of these sonic waves.  You need to show these waves behave in a manner that concur with observations.  Like the apparent movement of the stars at night.

Sonic waves caused by tectonic activity has been proven and is accepted by both REers and FEers. Perhaps I should have said "Seismic waves" - however it is the sound this activity produces that are the cause of the stars.
The Earth is as flat as RE arguments.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 01:48:22 PM »

I understand that this model requires some explanation

Sorry, a model?  A model would suggest a coherent set of scientific theories that explain how something (in this case the solar system) works.  I'm not really getting that....

Anyway, if you want to win a the flat earth game, you'll need a map.  Have you got a map? Come back when you have a working flat earth map and you will be worshipped like a god.

I can't believe nobody else has spotted that he's made a face:  ;)


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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2016, 01:54:54 PM »

I understand that this model requires some explanation

Sorry, a model?  A model would suggest a coherent set of scientific theories that explain how something (in this case the solar system) works.  I'm not really getting that....

Anyway, if you want to win a the flat earth game, you'll need a map.  Have you got a map? Come back when you have a working flat earth map and you will be worshipped like a god.

I can't believe nobody else has spotted that he's made a face:  ;)



And you can come back when you've figured out the Antimatter-Matter discrepancy.
You see, both the RE and the FE models have issues. Yes, there is some debate about the FE map - but that does not discredit the theory. Just because we don't know something about a theory does not mean we should throw the entire worldview out the window - it means we should study more. You'd think REers, of all people, would get that.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2016, 02:09:58 PM »
And you can come back when you've figured out the Antimatter-Matter discrepancy.
You see, both the RE and the FE models have issues. Yes, there is some debate about the FE map - but that does not discredit the theory. Just because we don't know something about a theory does not mean we should throw the entire worldview out the window - it means we should study more. You'd think REers, of all people, would get that.
There are some problems in current astrophysics: The already mentioned Antimatter-Matter discrepancy, dark matter, dark energy, ...
However, those problems do not arise in the explanation of our solar system, but in the explanation of the vast universe. If you have an alternative theory that explains things better than dark matter, I am all ears.
But if you want to replace a current model, you have to be better than the model. The current model has a map.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2016, 02:53:03 PM »
Here is someone claiming something different.  Thinks people like to claim the Bible says the Earth is flat to dismiss it.

http://www.revelation.co/2009/06/19/does-the-bible-say-earth-is-flat-or-round/

Just curious how you came to believe your model is the one and true model?

If you ask one of those satanic people of NASA they will claim that the understanding we have now is not complete.  Even for something like gravity.

Evidence?

How about evidence of these sonic waves.  You need to show these waves behave in a manner that concur with observations.  Like the apparent movement of the stars at night.

Sonic waves caused by tectonic activity has been proven and is accepted by both REers and FEers. Perhaps I should have said "Seismic waves" - however it is the sound this activity produces that are the cause of the stars.

To clarify your model needs to account for how stars appear to move through the sky at night.  How the waves get from the surface to the celestial ocean.  Detect those waves as they travel. 

You are the one that stated :

For a long time, a lot of these questions went unanswered; this is the because the current FE model is inaccurate. I have researched various subjects for a very long time now, and I present to you my own model of the FE, and how the Universe truly works:

I have now explained to you all how the world really works, and answered a lot of the REers questions.

The above suggest you know the answers to what I pointed out.  You have evidence and can explain it in detail. 

If you can not then how can you be so sure you are right? Saying you think something is true does not make it so. 

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2016, 02:55:05 PM »
Hello fellow FEers and REers alike,
I have noticed that the majority of questions Round Earth proponents raise have to do with cosmology and astronomy. For a long time, a lot of these questions went unanswered; this is the because the current FE model is inaccurate. I have researched various subjects for a very long time now, and I present to you my own model of the FE, and how the Universe truly works:



I understand that this model requires some explanation, so let's get right to it:

The Celestial Ocean
Unlike what the current model teaches, the Firmament is not the edge of the Universe. The Firmament is simply the barrier between space and the Celestial Ocean that encompasses the entirety of the Cosmos.
The Celestial Ocean itself is invisible, as the Sun does not shine upon it. However, at night, it is possible to see the stars that float in the ocean. Evidence of this Ocean can be found in numerous holy books, such as the Bible:

Genesis 1:7
So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.

Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

The Stars
The Stars are not, as the satanic liars want you to believe, giant spheres of burning gas. The Stars are not physical entities at all; they are caused by sonoluminescence. Sonoluminescence is a phenomena in which light can be created by sonic waves propagating through water. Here is this effect in action, on a small scale:



The creator of that video himself stated that "It looked like a star in the heavens", and it most certainly does. The sonic waves that create the stars are caused by tectonic movement deep in the Earth, and from Sheol, which I will explain more about in a minute. These sonic waves propagate through the Firmament and the Celestial Ocean, where they cause these sonoluminescent lights that we call stars. The movement of the stars is caused by steady currents in the Celestial Ocean.

The Firmament:
The Firmament is a translucent barrier between the Celestial Ocean and the Universe. The Firmament contains gates, which the Bible refers to as "The Windows of the Heavens". It was through these Windows that the waters of the Great Flood of Noah fell.
The Firmament is not unbreakable, however. Debris floats around in the currents of the Firmament, and occasionally hit the barrier with enough force to penetrate it. This debris falls to the Earth as a meteorite; the water spreads out over thousands of miles before it strikes the surface, and is therefore only detectable as Serein - water falling from a cloudless sky, something which science has yet to explain. This explains the existence of Libyan desert glass - mysterious shards of a glass-like material which, according to the satanist scientists, has an unknown origin.

Sheol
Sheol is a massive, cavernous space beneath the Earth.
It is not by mere coincidence that almost all religions believe in a subterranean underworld - The Norse knew it as Hel, the Greeks as Hades, the Romans as the Underworld, and to the Hebrews, God's chosen people, it was known as Sheol. This is where we go after we die, and where we will sleep until the Second Coming. In Sheol there is much geological and tectonic activity, which is what causes the sonic waves that create the stars in the Celestial Ocean. The existence of Sheol has been evidenced many times, particularly by the fact that NASA keeps trying to cover up the North Pole in imagery with blurring or censoring of some kind. They are hiding the entrance to Sheol.

Psalm 89:48
What man can live and not see death? Can he deliver his soul from the power of Sheol?

I have now explained to you all how the world really works, and answered a lot of the REers questions. Hopefully this will be enough for some of you to realize that you are being lied to, and that we must not be brainwashed into the Satanic lies that NASA wants you to believe. Thank you for reading.

Fine, now answer this with your "model" or crawl back to facebook : https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67031.0

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2016, 03:01:44 PM »
Fine, now answer this with your "model" or crawl back to facebook : https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67031.0

I did it and it works.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2016, 03:06:37 PM »
Fine, now answer this with your "model" or crawl back to facebook : https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67031.0

I did it and it works.

Did I missed something ? As far as that thread went we literally schooled you from elementary to academic level, then you quietly fled back to your facebook safe place or something. Do you have any further remarks ?

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2016, 03:10:17 PM »
I didn't flee to Facebook: I've just been busy.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2016, 03:13:35 PM »
I didn't flee to Facebook: I've just been busy.

Then I apologize, now you can give us a simple answer for the Southern cross conundrum in the relevant thread, then you can elaborate it later, or you can insert it in this model above, if you solved that already that will be easy for you. 

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2016, 03:15:39 PM »
That's okay, no need to apologise it's okay. I did the southern cross experiment with this model and it worked, but I did it as a thought experiment so I don't know how to share the results.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2016, 03:19:01 PM »
That's okay, no need to apologise it's okay. I did the southern cross experiment with this model and it worked, but I did it as a thought experiment so I don't know how to share the results.

Writing it down maybe helps, I guess, anyway right now really don't want to jump on hard anything so just take your time and chance. 

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2016, 03:21:46 PM »
I basically just did the thought experiment by imagining myself on the flat earth, looking at the southern cross, and it looked beautiful in the sky.
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2016, 03:31:38 PM »
I basically just did the thought experiment by imagining myself on the flat earth, looking at the southern cross, and it looked beautiful in the sky.

Haha thats a good start and if we accept that we observe the same reality it is very true indeed, the problems start where we have to explain this experience in connection with other obtainable observation data, sou you mentioned Flat Earth as a model, in a globe it is fairly easy you just need a ball and the picture of the crux then some high school geometry. So what is the FE explanation ?

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2016, 03:32:30 PM »
You seem surprised people believe in the flat earth and see the Bible mirrors reality. When people interpret the Bible to say the Earth is round - like with Apologetics - would you still take issue? Or is that not "extreme" enough?

I would not take issue with people believing the Earth is flat, however I do take issue with people trying to force their Round Earth agenda onto us.
Can someone please explain this stupid Round Earth agenda I keep seeing folks spout off about.

Also for all you would be saviors of the Flat Earth Fallacy, if you cannot even begin to address the apparent movement of stars in the Southern hemisphere other than to dismiss it offhand then you are not worth my time.  I have asked, many others have asked.  Absolutely zero explanations have come back that would even be satisfactory to a 3 year old.  "Because it destroys my idea", "God said it", "if you haven't seen it, it isn't real", or "Well explain dark matter Mr. Smartypants satanist sheep!!!".  These are not explanations.  These are the ravings of an idiot who just cannot bare to be wrong. 
I have been around these forums for a little while.  I have utilized the search function.  I have wasted hours of my time trying to understand the mental disability that causes Flat Earth Syndrome.  I still cannot.

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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2016, 04:59:54 PM »
You have to get the sky/heavens correct, or the Earth model is useless...

Celestial objects have coordinates (declination and ascension) that correspond to Earth coordinates - specifically declination = latitude EXACTLY. (See Explanation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declination).

1) Please explain, based on geometry and rotating bodies Earth/sky (https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66457.0), where the SINGLE POINT S.Pole is that the S. Celestial Pole (SCP) needs to be over (90° S) per declination/latitude. Per declination/latitude, you are looking due south when looking at the SCP. ALL the stars BELOW the SCP (draw a horizontal line through it), are on the OTHER SIDE of the EARTH, per declination/latitude, BEHIND you 10,000+ mi. How does the Celestial Ocean Theory solve this?


2) IF we were just talking about some STARS, we might consider sonoluminescence. But there are galaxies, star clusters and irregularly shaped nebulas that I do not believe sonoluminescence covers. Please explain. For example:


PS... It does look like a face - tongue in cheek...  :P
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Re: Flat Earth Cosmology Explained using Celestial Ocean Theory
« Reply #29 on: June 26, 2016, 06:35:32 PM »
Spectrum of sonoluminescence:



Spectrum of star and blackbody:

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