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« on: June 22, 2016, 04:21:42 PM »
Thought we could dicuss a different conspiracy theory here for a change.

What are your opinions on 9/11, what evidence led you to that opinion?

Also what are your thoughts on FET as a psyop to discredit all conspiracy theories? Such as 9/11 and Diana's death

I'll post more this afternoon when I have more time.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 04:30:56 PM »
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own. 
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 04:33:17 PM »
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers. 
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 04:34:59 PM »
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Agreed, I don't like to believe it either. It's like that scene from V for Vendetta "what if it was our government."

Fair point on the unnecessary death.

Have you seen the video of the Pentagon explosion? Or the third tower falling at free fall speed?

Just curious as to peoples beliefs there are a lot of intelligent free thinkers here.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 04:36:00 PM »
I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.

Exactly.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 05:23:06 PM »
I could name rediculous amounts of inconsistencies in this story. However that is the last thing the internet needs is another 9/11 thread.

Also judging from another country is difficult to truly understand what was accomplished with these actions.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 05:27:23 PM »
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 05:42:34 PM »
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 05:43:05 PM »
I've been called Illuminati several times in fact. I find it quite funny.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2016, 05:46:46 PM »
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.

What's your opinion on the 9/11 event John?
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2016, 06:08:20 PM »
Bush did 9/11! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams! (just kidding)

FET is not a psyop to discredit other conspiracy theories, imo. Most people aren't even aware there are still flat earthers, but it is an interesting concept. I was just thinking how when one side of a political debate demonizes someone on the other side, all legitimate criticism will get a person lumped in with the demonizers.
I have to agree, we don't have anywhere near enough notability for this to be the case, even with two celebrities pushing our cause very very often.

John check out Dr Karl on triple J (Australian national radio) they do a science hour every week on thursdays.

The last month FET has been mentioned in that science hour. That's a lot of exposure all over Australia.

The podcasts are available online.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 07:16:12 PM »
"9/11 in plane sight" is a good place to start. What convinced me about 9/11 was the first responders' comments about bombs going off in the towers.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2016, 07:31:33 PM »
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.


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Re: 9/11
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2016, 07:44:52 PM »
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.

Please elaborate.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2016, 07:52:36 PM »
I saw a youtube video, and was convinced it never actually happened.

Please elaborate.

Sarcasm font here? I just use Italics if I can't figure out the protocol on a new forum.

I was making the assumption that most of the FE ers saw some youtube video and also at the same time, didn't do very well in math/science class, and that's why they are so confused.

Kind of like the 9/11 theorists.

9/11 HAPPENED.
WAS a terrorist attack.

Earth is STILL a sphere.


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Re: 9/11
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2016, 07:56:37 PM »
Thanks for your opinion.

Please dont spam my thread with your assertions without evidence.

Thanks.
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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2016, 10:54:42 PM »
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?

I think we watched 3 controlled demolitions. No building in history has ever fallen like that rather it's a failed demolition, severe building fire or structural failure. So let's say a miracle happens and one building some how falls as such....I would still have a problem with it. However 3 ..the exact same way?? Especially building 7?? Come on you don't need a doctorate to see this.

I was on a panel of specialist until 2010 when I realized most people's opinions were made no matter what they heard and stopped wasting my time. I was part of a group attempting to buy pieces of the remaining steel with no avail. Though I have performed numerous metallurgical surveys, studies and reports on exact quoted specifications of the steel. This was a huge part of my life years ago, I have never in my life came across more PhD 's and amazingly intelligent people in a non mainstream sect ever. I was just one of a plethora all working together in their different fields of specialities, and the last year I went to emi I was told the group is even bigger now. If there is anything that should be given a chance that isn't mainstream , this would be it. If you only want facts and science instead of opinions.

Just the facts of the figures on the steel and fuel best given was bogus. Finally "official" people started to agree plausible temps were not high enough to melt the steel but weaken it. Ok cool, steel starts to get weaker on a technical level every degree raised. However the said 60 percent?? More like 9 percent , especially when you take in account beam length , thickness, and heat distribution which is always just "glanced" over.

The flash point of said fuel is way too high. This is the point of 120+ fuel to reduce premature detonation. Spray alcohol on your hand and light it to understand the point.

Fact the buildings were a loss being 70 percent un occupied until directly before Silverstein bought them. Went to almost compacity , and insured for full market value not even a year before the incident, and major changes was made to the lease so Silverstein could maintain control of the land in case an incident happened 6 weeks prior. All this on buildings that were a loss for a decade before this, and needed major renovations including health related issues (example asbestos). Sure there was heavy foot traffic at the doors, but that was for the major subway entrance below. These "mysterious" companies that conveniently appeared to occupy the buildings were hollow skeleton companies, two of which had roles in the tower inspection and future clean up. Yet some how these skeleton companies managed to employ 1000s of people with no proof as such. It highly points to the possibility the majority of the true loss of life is the first responders at the scene which angers me further as they were attempting to save lives for no purpose.

Mass of interior items...actually stopping here I could literally rattle on for 200 pages without stating a single opinion. That is what is so damning about this, you need not opinions to see there is something seriously a mis.

Too many coincidences, too many things to gain from the entire 9 11 incident. Too many future laws passed, freedoms lost (always warned safety is the number one disguise to remove freedom), war crimes committed in the name of safety, too many trillions of dollars missing that the evidence was "blown up", money made ect ect.

To much to account for, I don't believe in coincidences, and I certainly don't believe in 100s working together in perfect harmony.

However as I said you need not opinions, just the facts. Some of these facts i was able to confirm personally without having to rely on others. Or you can even just use your eyes, watch 3 buildings fall perfectly and tell me it's right. Isn't this what this site is about using visual observations and nothing else?

« Last Edit: June 22, 2016, 11:06:02 PM by Babyhighspeed »
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2016, 11:25:07 PM »
As an outsider (I don't live anywhere near the United States) what I saw, and I saw it live, was completely believable. The fall of the towers didn't seem suspicious at all. The shock from the collision could remove the thermal protection of the steel frame and weaken it; the plane's aluminium, heated to a really high temperature by the fire, could have reacted with the water. Then when the floors where the impact happened collapsed, the increased weight proved too much and crushed the floors under them.

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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2016, 12:06:27 AM »
As an outsider (I don't live anywhere near the United States) what I saw, and I saw it live, was completely believable. The fall of the towers didn't seem suspicious at all. The shock from the collision could remove the thermal protection of the steel frame and weaken it; the plane's aluminium, heated to a really high temperature by the fire, could have reacted with the water. Then when the floors where the impact happened collapsed, the increased weight proved too much and crushed the floors under them.

That is completely your opinion and you surely are entitled to it. Just explaining from stuff I can say 100 percent to from my profession, as well as test I specifically performed when working with said group.

Aluminum with portions of magnesium is also a "flash" material for attempting to simplify explanations. Not to mention the amount of fuel present. The more liquid fuel present the less chance of continued fire, or a fire at all in the class of fuel. Especially when confined to a small cubic area.

Fire fighters confirmed at one point the fires were almost contained horrifically before they lost their lives up there

Aluminum/mag cracks and breaks, it's brittle rigid but light. The steel in the towers structure was destined to flex, much less rigid, plus far more mass per cubic inch. Take a piece of aluminum framing and hit a piece of tempered steel with it, you will see the aluminum's reaction (crude simple test). Doesn't matter if you shot it at 500mph (which they were not going that fast anyways) still the same outcome with minimal damage to the steel.

Floor by floor compression is not possible with the design parameters, it's one of those things that make sense until you understand the structure engineering of the building. Assuming you just completely removed a couple floors and dropped the top down  intertia would have never been able to complete such a task with the inside design . It would have been an ugly collapse and 90 percent possibility the lower half would have remain upright (absolutely unstable but upright). Though structural engineering was not my specialty in the group, we all worked together to form the complete report in harmony.

Even ignoring all this, that still does not explain building 7.

I could rattle on for 50 pages about this part of it alone, probably closer to 100. So I have to control myself
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2016, 12:09:22 AM »
Agreed, what's your opinion on it tho?

I think we watched 3 controlled demolitions. No building in history has ever fallen like that rather it's a failed demolition, severe building fire or structural failure. So let's say a miracle happens and one building some how falls as such....I would still have a problem with it. However 3 ..the exact same way?? Especially building 7?? Come on you don't need a doctorate to see this.

I was on a panel of specialist until 2010 when I realized most people's opinions were made no matter what they heard and stopped wasting my time. I was part of a group attempting to buy pieces of the remaining steel with no avail. Though I have performed numerous metallurgical surveys, studies and reports on exact quoted specifications of the steel. This was a huge part of my life years ago, I have never in my life came across more PhD 's and amazingly intelligent people in a non mainstream sect ever. I was just one of a plethora all working together in their different fields of specialities, and the last year I went to emi I was told the group is even bigger now. If there is anything that should be given a chance that isn't mainstream , this would be it. If you only want facts and science instead of opinions.

Just the facts of the figures on the steel and fuel best given was bogus. Finally "official" people started to agree plausible temps were not high enough to melt the steel but weaken it. Ok cool, steel starts to get weaker on a technical level every degree raised. However the said 60 percent?? More like 9 percent , especially when you take in account beam length , thickness, and heat distribution which is always just "glanced" over.

The flash point of said fuel is way too high. This is the point of 120+ fuel to reduce premature detonation. Spray alcohol on your hand and light it to understand the point.

Fact the buildings were a loss being 70 percent un occupied until directly before Silverstein bought them. Went to almost compacity , and insured for full market value not even a year before the incident, and major changes was made to the lease so Silverstein could maintain control of the land in case an incident happened 6 weeks prior. All this on buildings that were a loss for a decade before this, and needed major renovations including health related issues (example asbestos). Sure there was heavy foot traffic at the doors, but that was for the major subway entrance below. These "mysterious" companies that conveniently appeared to occupy the buildings were hollow skeleton companies, two of which had roles in the tower inspection and future clean up. Yet some how these skeleton companies managed to employ 1000s of people with no proof as such. It highly points to the possibility the majority of the true loss of life is the first responders at the scene which angers me further as they were attempting to save lives for no purpose.

Mass of interior items...actually stopping here I could literally rattle on for 200 pages without stating a single opinion. That is what is so damning about this, you need not opinions to see there is something seriously a mis.

Too many coincidences, too many things to gain from the entire 9 11 incident. Too many future laws passed, freedoms lost (always warned safety is the number one disguise to remove freedom), war crimes committed in the name of safety, too many trillions of dollars missing that the evidence was "blown up", money made ect ect.

To much to account for, I don't believe in coincidences, and I certainly don't believe in 100s working together in perfect harmony.

However as I said you need not opinions, just the facts. Some of these facts i was able to confirm personally without having to rely on others. Or you can even just use your eyes, watch 3 buildings fall perfectly and tell me it's right. Isn't this what this site is about using visual observations and nothing else?

You're one of the brightest guys I've ever met (no homo lol).

Thanks mate I totally agree with you, we watched three controlled demolitions.

The rights we lost afterwards and Americas wars for geopolitical control only makes it more suspicious.

I appreciate your honesty and opinion, building 7 collapsing was an absolute bad joke imho.

It's really quite scary, My heart goes out to all the victims and I mean no disrespect by starting this thread.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2016, 12:23:43 AM »
Building 7



Controlled demolition



Seems legit.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2016, 12:36:03 AM »
Well, I do believe that planes flew into the towers and that the towers collapsed.
I am not familiar with the conspiracy theory, but I do not want to believe that someone would deliberately do this to people he swore to protect, not even bush.
So in my case, I tend to believe the official story but I am not able to discuss it due to lack of information and understanding.

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2016, 12:37:54 AM »
Well, I do believe that planes flew into the towers and that the towers collapsed.

I believe that also.

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I do not want to believe that someone would deliberately do this to people he swore to protect

Neither do I mate, neither do I.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2016, 12:39:22 AM »
Don't forget the accidental report from BBC that building 7 collapsed 20 minutes before it did.

The fact a year later they "lost" all tapes of that though they never have lost footage before (at least no records of such). They always release there sources yet they refused to here. Their official story is they heard it from an American news source (though this source is mysterious since they don't release it), they then recanted their report.

Tell me out of all the towers to "accidentally" choose or be fed bad information from a "magic" news source, even though by that time 100s of cameras were viewing the scene in live time...you happen to pick a building out of the way, that just happened to actually collapse out of no where 20 minutes later. Then the footage is "lost" a year later.

I imagine people that believe that will also send Benny hinn their money to be healed and become rich. Or go see him in person and be pushed over.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2016, 12:44:11 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2016, 12:49:34 AM »
And yes I take this very seriously dispute... it effected my country and the world heavily. Equaled the deaths of people during and millions afterwards. This even was a monster catalyst and justification for so many atrocities, way more than buildings falling or lies.

I dedicated years of my life, countless hours, 150k dollars of resources and all my heart to this group and project when it was happening. I truly believe if the reality sunk in to the American people. Even with how much brain washing has been going on, I really think it would equal a pearl harbor, yet would be a civil revolt against the government.

The impact this had on the world from our actions after the fact, was just as profound as the impact it had to the people of America. I truly despise the leaders of this nation for it.

Kami yes I know.... I would much rather the official story be true as well..believe me. Its much easier... terrorists hate us, they do bad, we do good so they did bad to us because they are mad... that thought process is so much more simple..I didn't want to discover all I did, it truly broke my heart. I knew the government didn't give a rat's ass about its people or the world. But I had no idea it was that bad.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2016, 01:14:31 AM »
Babyhighspeed:
I am not naive, terrorists do have their reasons. What they do is unforgivable, but so are many things america (and other countries) have done in the middle east.

But to commit mass murder to your own people just to have a justification to attack others is a whole new level of horrible.

This BBC story does sound confusing, do you have a source of that?

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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2016, 01:35:30 AM »
Babyhighspeed:
I am not naive, terrorists do have their reasons. What they do is unforgivable, but so are many things america (and other countries) have done in the middle east.

But to commit mass murder to your own people just to have a justification to attack others is a whole new level of horrible.

This BBC story does sound confusing, do you have a source of that?

The official footage is "lost"...there is some remaining footage on youtube with the actual broadcast and the time stamps ect. Also BBC has it directly from them their "official story" of why it happened. I can assure anything with this subject , is one thing that anything I state is a fact unless I specifically present the disclaimer "this is my opinion. "

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/part_of_the_conspiracy.html   

Here is directly from their website where they say alot but say absolutely nothing at the same time. They really just say nuh uh.

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Here is the report, thankful to people like my grandparents who would record every major event saying "you never know when you might need yet lol"

I surely did not call you naive, I was attempting to tell you I understand why you don't want to attempt to believe it. I despise it myself.

Also you have to keep in mind it was not war they were after. It was just raw materials and assets..oil... they just had to cause war to get it. I mean, not like a country is going to give us trillions upon trillions of crude oil for free.

Not to mention all at the same time able to pass bills that can turn us into a socialist nation at a drop of a hat. Turn Americans into putty, also destroy the evidence of couple trillion missing dollars the government did whatever with. Not to mention about 20 other things they were able to do with just one event.

In that regards it was a pretty genius plan.
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2016, 01:41:02 AM »

Also you have to keep in mind it was not war they were after. It was just raw materials and assets..oil... they just had to cause war to get it. I mean, not like a country is going to give us trillions upon trillions of crude oil for free.

Not to mention all at the same time able to pass bills that can turn us into a socialist nation at a drop of a hat. Turn Americans into putty, also destroy the evidence of couple trillion missing dollars the government did whatever with. Not to mention about 20 other things they were able to do with just one event.

In that regards it was a pretty genius plan.

This.
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Re: 9/11
« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2016, 02:27:23 AM »
If 9/11 was an inside job, why the Twin Towers, and why both of them?  Why also fly into the Pentagon?  Surely they didn't need to cause quite that much death and destruction to achieve the same result?  I can understand terrorists doing it, because they would want to cause as much death and destruction as possible, but I can't see it being conceived by Americans to kill their own.

Gotta a pic of a plane flying into the Pentagon Copernicus?

"Americans killing their own..." I suggest you go to Chicago this weekend...Or read a book about the Civil War, you stupid fuck...
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